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''This is a problem that has been discussed elsewhere and was the main incentive for creating [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics]] (besides the fact that it didn't exist yet). Now this is probably the best place to continue the discussion. A short summary of the pending discussion follows:''

There have been discussions in several places on the structure of some subcategories in [[:Category:Physics]]. Specifically, we are concerned with basic, general, and introductory phsysics articles. There is already a quite populated [[:Category:Introductory physics]], which probably gives a good overview of the most rudimental physics topics to the layman; so there is probably no point in changing it. During the big cleanup in May [[:Category:General physics topics]] was created and populated by articles that were in the top level [[:Category:Physics]] and didn't fit too well anywhere else. This category was then largely unpopulated and recently emptied and seems to have lost its purpose. Now there is the question whether we are actually in need of a new, similar category, which might be named [[:Category:Basic physics concepts]] and would group together basic (fundamental) articles, such as [[time]], [[space]], [[vector]], [[tensor]], [[matter]], [[energy]], [[interaction]], and so forth, which are now somewhat disperssed among various physics categories (please notice the difference between ''general'' and ''basic''). If there is more positive feedback for this idea, we can either rename the existing [[:Category:General phsyics topics]] or delete it and create a new one. The is also an idea about making something like [[:Category:Mathematical tools in physics]], which would encompass the mathematical concepts used in physics. [[User:Karol Langner|Karol]] 11:28, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC) <small>Note: This is a summary of the posts found in [[Category talk:Physics#General Physics Topics subcategory]], [[Category talk:Physics#Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics]], and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics#Category:Physics: general/basic/introductory concepts]].</small>

==Events==

:I think things like tensors should be in mathematics categories, but it would be great if they would contain some physics examples. Otherwise we're going to have to make 2 articles about every applied mathematical thingy. Also because one of the things that is seriously lacking from mathematics articles is good motivation and intuition-stimulation I think we should cooperate more.--[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 14:52, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Beginning of the [[Western Wei Dynasty]] in China. First ruler is [[Western Wei Wen Di]].

*[[Pope John II]] (533-535) is succeeded by [[Pope Agapetus I]].

*[[Justinian I]] orders [[Belisarius]] to start the reconquest of [[Italy]]; [[Mundus]] simultaneously invades [[Dalmatia]].

*[[Anthimus I of Constantinople|Anthimus]] becomes [[Patriarch of Constantinople]].

==Environmental Change==

::I think [[:Category:Basic physics concepts]] would be easily confused in purpose with [[:Category:Introductory physics]]. Since you used the word fundamental, I think that [[:Category:Fundamental physics concepts]] would be more appropriate as it makes clear that the topics aren't necessarily basic in the sense of simple.

*Weather is reported to be unusually cold and dark; see [[climate changes of 535-536]]

==Births==

::I'm sure that physics students looking here would appreciate a [[:Category:Mathematical tools in physics]] or some such category to cluster all the things we use everyday but don't own. --[[User:Laurascudder|Laura Scudder]] | [[User talk:Laurascudder|Talk]] 05:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Deaths==

:::Wild idea here - what if there was a [[:Category:Mathematical tools in physics]] (or something suitably similar) that contained a lot of redirects to math pages. Of course, if that happened, it would be nice if those math pages contained physical examples.--[[User:StuTheSheep|StuTheSheep]] 09:57, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*[[May 8]] - [[Pope John II]]

*[[June 5]] - [[Epiphanius of Constantinople|Epiphanius]], [[Patriarch of Constantinople]]

*[[Amalasuntha]], queen of the [[Ostrogoths]] (killed in exile)

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:My suggestion is similar to what has been written above. We need to separate the introductory concepts, which should be accessible to a lay person, from the basic concepts, which generally are not. For example, you can talk about [[force]]s without talking about [[gauge boson]]s. I also think we only need two categories, [[:Category:Introductory physics]] and [[:Category:Fundamental physics concepts]]; general topics can be left on the main [[:Category:Physics]] page..--[[User:StuTheSheep|StuTheSheep]] 09:57, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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::Yes, you put it very clear - the introductory topics should be differentiated from the fundamental ones. For starters, I would identify fundamental topics (looking at [[:Category:Physics]]) as: [[Fundamental interaction]], [[Invariant (physics)]], [[Conservation law]], [[Interaction]], [[Time]], and so on. So it seems we have a group of people that agree on this point. My mixed feelings remain only as to whether some of these articles should actually not appear in [[:Category:Physics]]; after all, not much will be left... [[User:Karol Langner|Karol]] 21:52, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

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== World Year of Physics ==

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I suppose I finally have an appropriate place to ask people to look at [[World Year of Physics 2005]]. I had originally thought it'd be a great idea to have it up to featured standard by the end of the year, but it hasn't really attracted any other editors recently and I feel like without feedback of other editors I may have taken it in a wrong direction (right now it mostly summarizes [[Annus Mirabilis Papers]]). So take a look if you're interested. --[[User:Laurascudder|Laura Scudder]] | [[User talk:Laurascudder|Talk]] 15:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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As there were voices that [[List of alternative, speculative and disputed theories]] is unsuitable in the article namespace, I've moved the physics section to the subpage [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/List of alternative, speculative and disputed theories]]. --[[User:Pjacobi|Pjacobi]] 15:08, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

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:That list is not exclusively about bogus physics theories. Even if it was I wouldn't want it associated with physics in any way. Please remove that again. The physics portal is not the place for it. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 17:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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:<s>Yes, please remove this list. Above all, WikiProjects are not intended to host subject articles, including original research. [[User:Karol Langner|Karol]] 18:56, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)</s>

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::Ugh. multiple problems with this list. 1) some of the theories are pure crackpot, e.g. timecube. 2) some of the topics are highly speculative but academically acceptable (possible changes in fine structure const, etc.) 3) some topics which are records of historical fiascos ([[polywater]]) or were once taken seriously but are not any more ([[luminiferous ether]]). [[User:Linas|linas]] 19:56, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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:::Of course, most of these theories are pure crackpot. For this reason, they are on the list. And the list is here, so that we can watch, what's going on there. Isn't the task of WikiProject Physics to ensure the correct presentation of physics in Wikipedia? --[[User:Pjacobi|Pjacobi]] 20:10, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

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:::And BTW, [[Heim theory]] is leaking out of its article. I've just spotted it in [[Neutrino#Notes]]. What's your opinion on that? --[[User:Pjacobi|Pjacobi]]

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:::: I think that it would be desirable for part of the wikiproj to be helping keep dodgy psuedoscience in check. So if the list could be restructured to contain *only* the wacko psuedoscience, and a suitable header put on, would that be OK? [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] 21:20, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC).

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::: The way you guys put it makes it sound reasonable :) that is to have such a repository for monitoring pseudophysics topics. [[User:Karol Langner|Karol]] 23:41, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

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:The list should be split into the different categories that linas identified. List 1) shouldn't be part of this project. What we need to keep in check is what is supposed to be physics and what is not. The other two lists would be very welcome. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 10:34, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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