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===[[Elise Harp]]===

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Non-notable "model and actress" known for painting an ad on her pregnant belly. 190 unique Google hits, her website gets an alexa ranking of 1,139,850. [[User:Zoe|Zoe]] 05:27, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Keep'''. Model and actress known for painting an ad on her pregnant belly. [[User:Trollderella|Trollderella]] 06:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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**And that's an encyclopedic article how? [[User:Zoe|Zoe]] 06:57, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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:::It's factual, and verifiable. [[User:Trollderella|Trollderella]] 07:05, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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::::So are a lot of things that aren't notable and aren't encyclopedic. —[[User:Charles O'Rourke|Charles O'Rourke]] 07:07, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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:::::That may be so, but 'notable' and 'encyclopedic' are not deletion criteria. [[User:Trollderella|Trollderella]] 07:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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::::You keep claiming that that is somehow a keep criterion, when it is not. Where does the deletion policy say that everything that ever existed in the world which is factual and verifiable is a candidate for keeping?

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:I am not, there is no 'keep criteria' as far as I can see. If it does not meet the criteria for deletion, I do not see the issue with my voting to keep it. [[User:Trollderella|Trollderella]] 07:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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:::Trollderella, as I said yesterday on a different VfD, notability as an inclusion critereon is clearly inferred from the following section to the Wikipedia '''policy''' [[WP:NOT]]: '''"Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia."'''. If I own a cat, and take a picture of that cat, then I could make a factual and verifiable article entitled [[I have a cat]], and you would vote keep for it because it is both factual (one can look at the picture in the article) and verifiable (if you don't believe the picture, you can come to my house and the cat will be there). Your inclusion criteria makes does not take into account whether a subject is encyclopedic or not. [[User:Fernando Rizo|Fernando Rizo]] [[User_talk:Fernando Rizo|''T'']]/[[Special:Contributions/Fernando_Rizo|''C'']] 07:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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:::*"verifiable" means "verifiable without doing [[WP:NOR|original research]]", unlike the case of your cat. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 10:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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::::Yes, Fernando, [[WP:NOT]] is not deletion policy, and I am choosing to try dilligently to assess articles against deletion policy. It may well be possible to find things in all kinds of bits of policy that depreciate one thing or another, that does not make them deletion policy. As Kappa points out, with your cat, you are doing original research, there is nothing to reference except your photo of your cat. [[User:Trollderella|Trollderella]] 15:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC) PS. I'm sure it's a wonderful cat - we could probably benefit from a picture of it on your userpage! ;)

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::::::You'll forgive me for attempting to make a joke; apparently it failed. (Note to self: Kappa and Trollederella do not dig cat jokes). Outside of the specific cat example, I do believe my point still stands. [[User:Fernando Rizo|Fernando Rizo]] [[User_talk:Fernando Rizo|''T'']]/[[Special:Contributions/Fernando_Rizo|''C'']] 16:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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:Perhaps, but I can't see how, you're constructing a strawman about a silly article that can't be verified without conducting original research, and trying to make the argument that articles that are referenced and do not need original research to verify are not valid because you might write one about your cat. Am I missing something? [[User:Trollderella|Trollderella]] 16:54, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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::Yes, you're missing a joke. Relax. I was trying to point out what I feel is a flaw in your reasoning by means of a light-hearted example. [[User:Fernando Rizo|Fernando Rizo]] [[User_talk:Fernando Rizo|''T'']]/[[Special:Contributions/Fernando_Rizo|''C'']] 16:57, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Question:''' Yes, Fernando, I totally agree, but why did she appear on the Today Show and The Insider if she's not notable? - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|^(talk)]] 09:45, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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**Mgm: Fair question, but lots of flash-in-the-pan celebrities appear on the Today Show. [[User:Fernando Rizo|Fernando Rizo]] [[User_talk:Fernando Rizo|''T'']]/[[Special:Contributions/Fernando_Rizo|''C'']] 16:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Delete.''' Non-notable. —[[User:Charles O'Rourke|Charles O'Rourke]] 07:03, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Keep'''. "known for painting an ad on her pregnant belly" i.e. '''known'''. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 10:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Weak keep''', she's been on TV & stuff, and there's just about enough to justify an article, although emphasise to Trollderella that something being verifiable does not justify an encyclopaedia article in itself. Go read [[WP:NOT]]. [[User:Proto|Proto]]<small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:Proto|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Proto|c]]</small> 10:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Weak delete'''. Not notable IMO. --[[User:GraemeL|GraemeL]] [[User_talk:GraemeL|^(talk)]] 10:21, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Delete''', she's had her fifteen minutes of fame but by the proverb so do we all. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<font color="orange">&gt;|&lt;</font>]] 10:26, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Delete''' or '''Merge''' into [[GoldenPalace.com]], who have done a string of strange ad placements. <font color="green">[[User:Android79|android]]</font><font color="purple">[[User talk:Android79|79]]</font> 12:31, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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*'''Delete'''. nn. -- [[User:DS1953|DS1953]] 14:36, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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== Thanks for your support ==

Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. I was surprised and humbled by the number of positives votes. I'll be monitoring RfA regularly from now on and will look for a chance to "pay it forward". Cheers, --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] 01:33, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

== Celebrity Images ==

Hi Mailer diablo,<BR>

I am back again with a query.I just came across a user [[User:Tony619]] who has added numerous images of scantily clad celebrities to many celebrity pages. Though most of the images qualify under fair use as they are magazine covers but I feel that they are not suitable to be displayed on Wikipedia. Moreover in most of the cases he has added images to pages which already had an image. I have left a message at his talk page but I dont know the policy of wikipedia on such images. So, I would be grateful if you could take the necessary steps.[[User:Gaurav1146|Gaurav1146]] 10:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

:Thanx for the quick response. The reason that I didn't mark them for deletion was pecisely that Wikipedia has no guidelines for such images. In any case, I felt that adding such images on every page doesn't make sense. If the content of the page requires those kind of image then there is no problem. Moreover why add another image when there is already an existing image on a page until and unless the other image depicts something important. I would be grateful if you could have a look at those pages and take appropriate decision. TIA [[User:Gaurav1146|Gaurav1146]] 04:13, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

::Thanx once again. Right now, I am in office and I would not be fit for me to access those pages from here.I would let you know about the pages by today or tomorrow. As for ''Images for Deletion'' , i had a terrible experience with it.So , I normally prefer directly contacting an administrator.[[User:Gaurav1146|Gaurav1146]] 09:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)<BR>

::: Here are some of the images where the user has added an image where already another one is existing.

[[Charisma Carpenter]][[Denise Richards]][[Christy Hemme]] [[Bai Ling]]

[[Joanna Krupa]][[Liv Lindeland]][[Torrie Wilson]][[Tia Carrere]][[Nikki Schieler Ziering]][[Jaime Pressly]][[Kristy Swanson]][[Jordan (model)]]. There are many more but it has taken me awfully long to come with this list. So you can check further. The user has uploaded most of the images from an adult magazine.Whether these are obscene and more importantly required or not, that is debatable. I leave it your discretion but in any case, I feel that there should be some guidelines for uploading images based on the content of images.

IMHO adding obscene images in cases where it can be avoided does not add value to a page. [[User:Gaurav1146|Gaurav1146]] 15:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

== Image help.... ==

Hah....seems rather rare to see you online, but I really need your advise in the issue of moving imaged to the commons. I listed my imaged in [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]] since August 1, and they are still there. Did I do anything which isnt following proper procedures? Or is there a shortcut which lets me move the images without having to ask for any deletions etc? Thanks! ;)--[[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]] 17:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

== Re: Fuck hole ==

Hi there. I noticed you just got rid of a bunch of VfDs. While you're online, do you mind taking a look at [[Fuck Hole|this]] page, please? It's been tagged with a speedy, and I'm rather hopeful that it will get deleted ASAP as the contents are simply libelous. Vfd [[Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Fuck_Hole|here]]. Regards—[[User:Encephalon|<font color=#000>Encephalon</font>]] | [[User talk:Encephalon|<font color=#ff0000>^&zeta;</font>]]&nbsp; 18:57:30, 2005-08-20 (UTC) NB. In the unlikely event that you do not often speedy, the proposed deletion is for contravention of [[WP:CSD]] A6. Thank you.—[[User:Encephalon|<font color=#000>Encephalon</font>]] | [[User talk:Encephalon|<font color=#ff0000>^&zeta;</font>]]&nbsp; 19:04:20, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

*Kind of you, Mailer diablo. Yeah, Zscout Sd'd it soon after I posted here. I've never posted at an admin's page asking for an SD, but this particular one perhaps merited it. Glad it's gone.—[[User:Encephalon|<font color=#000>Encephalon</font>]] | [[User talk:Encephalon|<font color=00ff00>^&zeta;</font>]]&nbsp; 05:53:21, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

== My user page ==

Congrats, you're the first signed in user to edit my user page without vandalizing it! :P [[User:Redwolf24|Redwolf24]] 07:18, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks for the typo fix on my User page. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font>]] 14:29, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

== Abby Hayes ==

Heya. Just to let you know that you made a mistake on the [[Abby Hayes]] vfd. It's not a vanity page, because Abby Hayes is the protagonist of a popular American series of children's novels - I think >11K Google hits is enough to disprove the "non-notable" claim, yes? To be fair, the article was extremely poorly written, focusing almost exclusively on the character's personal life to the near-total exclusion of the fact that "oh, by the way, she's a fictional character". And you're a male Malaysian college student in Singapore, not a twelve-year-old American girl, so you wouldn't know about the books (and neither did I until I googled). I've since cleaned up the article substantially - might you change your vote? [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 13:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

== [[Slovenian or Slovene]] ==

Unless you're one of avid the supporters of the [[rules lawyer]]ing, autocratic, foaming-at-the-mouth inclusionism that was flaunted at the RfC of [[user:Tony Sideaway|Tony Sideaway]] you can't possibly interpret obne vote to '''keep''' against four ''delete''' or '''merge''' votes as no consensus. I redirected the page in question and I would be most grateful if I wasn't forced to VfD it again after only a week or so.

[[User:Karmosin|Peter]] ^{[[User talk:Karmosin|Isotalo]]} 10:37, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

== SFTPPlus ==

I saw you closed [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/SFTPPlus]] with "dealt with as a copyvio". I actually skipped that one as I was not sure what to do with, so I'm glad to see what has happened. However, you didn't remove the VfD notice of the article [[SFTPPlus]] itself. I assumed you simply forgot it (it does not make much sense to have a link to a closed debate, does it), so I did it for you, but please correct me if I am wrong. -- [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] ([[User talk:Jitse Niesen|talk]]) 12:08, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Hi Mailer Diablo: <br />

[[image:WikiThanks.png]] Thanks for support and your confidence in me in my recent RFB nomination. I'm now WP's newest bureaucrat. :) Regards, {{User:Nichalp/sg}} 19:56, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

==SGCOTW==

Thanks for setting up the page! ;) Nut I was wondering if we should make it a weekly, fortnightly, or monthly affair? :D --[[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]] 21:24, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

==Metroblogging VFD==

Hey, just a quick note: When you close a AFD you need to put a note on the talk page of the article about the outcome as well. Looks like you missed it on that one. Cheers! --[[User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]] 23:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

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== Photography (Singapore) ==

Hello, photos of Singapore are actually laying everywhere around Wikipedia, (and you some of the most significant pieces of work) perhaps its time for some organisation, and consolidate into a single venue. I find that the Singapore page at [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Singapore Wikimedia Commons] quite a suitable place. Let me hear what do you have to say. [[User:Slivester|Slivester]] 10:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

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Thank you for your support on my RfA. <font color="green">[[User:Android79|android]]</font><font color="purple">[[User talk:Android79|79]]</font> 15:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)