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'''Jahidi White''' (born on [[February 19]], [[1976]] in [[St. Louis]], [[Missouri]]) is a player in the [[NBA]]. He went to [[Georgetown University]]. He was drafted in [[1998]] in the 2nd round (43rd overall) by the [[Washington Wizards]]. In 2003, Washington Wizards traded Jahidi White to the [[Phoenix Suns]] for [[Brevin Knight]]. In 2004 he was selected by the [[Charlotte Bobcats]] in the [[NBA Expansion Draft]]. White is a high-energy player and solid rebounder and shot blocker. A real space eater who can set screens, command his spot on the court and jump for [[rebounds]]. White is turnover prone and gets into foul trouble and makes mental errors. Injuries have limited his playing time and mobility.
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'''Previous discussions:'''
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*[[Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI/Archive01|Archive01]]: [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] 20:30, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI/Archive02|Archive02]]: [[User:Bratsche|<font color="#006666">Bratsche</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bratsche|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup> 22:00, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI/Archive03|Archive03]]: [[User:Bratsche|<font color="#006666">Bratsche</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bratsche|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup> 03:10, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI/Archive04|Archive04]]: [[User:KTC|KTC]] 16:54, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI/Archive05|Archive05]]: [[User:Bratsche|<font color="#006666">Bratsche</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bratsche|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup> 23:18, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI/Archive06|Archive06]]: [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] 16:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC); Done by [[User:Bratsche|<font color="#006666">Bratsche</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bratsche|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup> 22:46, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope Benedict XVI/Archive07|Archive07]]: [[User:Bratsche|<font color="#006666">Bratsche</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bratsche|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup> 21:07, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope Benedict XVI/Archive08|Archive08]]: [[User:Bratsche|<font color="#006666">Bratsche</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bratsche|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup> 03:21, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope Benedict XVI/Archive09|Archive09]]: [[User:Str1977|<font color="#006666">Str1977</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Str1977|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup>15:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope Benedict XVI/Archive10|Archive10]]: [[User:Str1977|<font color="#006666">Str1977</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Str1977|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup>18:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope Benedict XVI/Archive11|Archive11]]: [[User:Str1977|<font color="#006666">Str1977</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Str1977|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup>18:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope Benedict XVI/Archive12|Archive12]]: [[User:Str1977|<font color="#006666">Str1977</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Str1977|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]] [[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup>18:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
'''Empty Archives To Be Used'''
*[[Talk:Pope Benedict XVI/Archive13|Archive13]]
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'''Specific Issues Addressed'''
*[[Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI/His_Holiness|Use of the style "His Holiness"]]: [[User:Johntex|Johntex]] 21:38, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI/Vandalism|Article/Talk Page Vandalism]]: [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]]: 21:45, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*[[Talk:Pope Benedict XVI/Pics|Use of Pictures]]: [[User:Bratsche|<font color="#006666">Bratsche</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bratsche|<font color="#FF6600">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="#000099">random</font>]]</sup> 21:46, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
Retrieved from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI past talk pages]
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'''''Notes to Editors'''''
*Page renamed to follow [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)]] on cardinals. [[User:Jtdirl|FearÉIREANN]] 02:28 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
*Page renamed following election to papal office. {{User:Bratsche/sig}} 03:18, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Note: Please sign all entries with the four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Thank you. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] 20:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)'''
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==Sins of the fathers visited unto the generations following==
Can someone point me to the theology under this concept ? I look to see the Biblical roots : how this relates to the Jewish faith , to Christian anti-semitism and to absorbtion (if it was or if it was not not ?) into Islam....[[User:Famekeeper|Famekeeper]] 08:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
:Maybe I should be replying to this, who knows what you are planning now, but hoping for [[Good faith]] I will anyway.
:Look at Exodus 20, 5-6 (or parallel Deuteronomium 5,9-10)
:Please take to include the second verse as well.
:Also note, that in the first verse "pursue" doesn't mean "punish children for their father's crimes", but more "check whether the children are following the sins of their fathers and if they do, punish them". It's sort of a divine parole, stretching over some generations.
:it's certainly part of the brothers Judaism and Christianity, as they share the OT, but I don't know what Islam says about this all.
Your reference to anti-Semitism is probably inspired by the often abused quote from Matthew 27,25. This verse has been used against the Jews in history, notwithstanding that not all Jews or their ancestors were present at that occasion. And anyway, anti-Semitism (including non-racial) goes against the basic principles of Christianity. Somewhere recently I have read the interesting interpretation, that the verse originally was referring to the Jews eventually accepting Jesus as the Messiah, hence bringing his (redeeming) blood on them - but for their salvation not their demise. This would of course been a thought in the Evangelist's mind, not in the mind of the actual speakers, but there is another example of such an "unintentional prophecy" (look John 11,50-51).
[[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 11:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
::No, my refrence is to the barrage of allegations in historians . You are hoever a great fund and as I explained earlier , your contrary position allows for a more complete airing of the issues . Don't let that be the reason for ever with-drawing . There's an old scots saying " Ye propose , and aye'll (?) contravaert " . We certainly have that . When someone brings the case , you'll happily put it into the BXVI article , I guess . But will you yourself take the case , as you are a christian and require the proof against doubt , against the historians allegations , against what you call the 50 year calumny . I ask you again , will you take a suit and if not , why not ?[[User:Famekeeper|Famekeeper]] 13:06, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Just to clear up a bit here, Exodus 34:7 quotes ''who will by no means clear the guilty, '''visiting the sin of fathers on the sons''', and on the sons of sons, to the third and to the fourth generation.'' which is fairly well-known, and is echoed in Jeremiah 32:17 ''You show loving-kindness to thousands, and repay the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their sons after them.'' Isaiah 14:21 ''Prepare slaughter for his sons, because of the iniquity of their fathers, so that they do not rise''.
Contradicting that stance are Ezekiel 18's ''Does not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son has done justice and right, has kept all My statutes, and has done them, he shall surely live.'' and Jeremiah 31's ''In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But everyone shall die for his own iniquity: every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. ''
-[[User:Sherurcij|Sherurcij]] 19:21, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
Thankyou-I'm most interested in this .[[User:Famekeeper|Famekeeper]] 21:10, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Sherurcij gave the long story to the synthesis I gave above. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 16:07, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
== Crown Copyiright ==
Good news folks, I found two photos from the Governor General of Canada's website: http://www.gg.ca/media/photos/2005/20050424_01_e.asp and http://www.gg.ca/media/photos/2005/20050424_02_e.asp. We can use these photos under the Crown Copyright. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 19:51, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
:questionbable.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 13:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
== Featured status ==
The result of the last [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pope Benedict XVI ]] was 11 support votes, 8 objections plus 1 "mild objection" to the style "His Holiness" (which was decided to use by a vote). How are we going to interpret this? Is concensus necessary for featured status? Also, most of the objections were really not that logic.
:We needed more support votes, plus the votes about stability are logical: one of the requirements that a Featured article must have is that the content will be relatively stable, that meaning it will not change completely from month to month. And with the Benedict XVI being a current leader, this will fail the stability requirements. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 15:57, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
==Links==
Anyone care to put in a reference to the [[Harry Potter]] article in view of Benedict's comments on the subject: or to the list I put under [[Coincidence]] (and which I see as having no particular historical significance).
:Post it here, in the talk page first. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 16:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
All I know is that there were reported comments in the newspapers for the former point (trawl enough through the writings of any person in the news and you will find something that shows them as batty/adopting strange political and other positions etc). As for the second point, one of my interests is the European [[microstate]]s on which I have collected assorted information. [[User:jackiespeel]] 16:41, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
NB - there is a comment on the HP group of sites about BXVI's comments, so the reverse connection should be made.
:Newsweek had some comments too, but from what I read, Benedict made the comments before his election to the Papacy. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 01:47, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
== Women as preists ==
Based from http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050726/lf_afp/canadavaticanreligion, Benedict does not want women to be ordained as priests. We need to follow this event and see what actions he takes. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 01:47, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
:Is it really necessary? Wouldn't it only be noteworthy if he allowed women to be priests? --[[User:Lord Voldemort|Lord Voldemort]] <sup><font color="#3D9140">[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|(Dark Mark)]]</font></sup> 16:54, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
::Agreed, or this can be noted as an example of Benedict holding up the beliefs and policies of JP II. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 16:56, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
:::Correct... perhaps just an example of the continuation of tradition, etc. from JPII and Benedict. More of the same, or something. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|Lord Voldemort]] <sup><font color="#3D9140">[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|(Dark Mark)]]</font></sup> 17:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
== Pictures ==
Here is a large number of beautiful pictures. Enjoy!
http://www.freeforumzone.com/viewdiscussioni.aspx?f=65482&idc=3
(it would be nice if we could use a couple of them as fair use)
:IMHO, some can be claimed as PD, because some of the pictures were taken years and years ago. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. There is also a picture of Benedict as a [http://img260.echo.cx/img260/5540/012ec.jpg little boy] there.
::I doubt it is pre 1928[[User:Geni|Geni]] 21:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:Pope Benedict Mass of Installation.jpg]]
== Bumper sticker ==
Have you seen this: http://www.papalshop.com/images/bsticker-lg.gif
:It's cute :) [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 19:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
==Benedict and [[Paparazzi]]==
As "Pappa Razzi" is Benedict's occasional (and logical) [[nickname]] would someone care to include it in the text (and if not, this mention here will suffice))
:When did this nickname come into play? Who first mentioned it? It is it widespread use? [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
**More importantly...what does this have to do with his papacy..it would be ridiculous to include it in the article![[User:Coburnpharr04|<<Coburn_Pharr>>]] 18:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
== We got mentioned ==
Jimbo Wales cited our article in a annoucement about new editing rules: "Citing a recent example of vandalism, Wales recalled how following the election of the new Pope Benedict in April, a user substituted the pontiff's photo on the Wikipedia site with that of the evil emperor from the Star Wars film series.
"The picture was only on the page for a minute. But whoever opens the article at this moment will get annoyed – and therefore doubt our credibility," he told the paper." See http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/computing/20050805-1259-media-wikipedia.html. I know it is over a situation we do not like, but hey, thats something. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 17:41, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
::It was also on CNN. --[[User:EatAlbertaBeef|EatAlbertaBeef]] 22:43, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
:::Wow. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 22:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, I am glad that we had users who reverted it quickly and admins who blocked quickly. While I am also glad the article has stablized on the past few months, I hope we do not face the same problems with the article on [[Michaelle Jean]], the new Canadian Governor General. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 22:58, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
===What Does The "Question of The Law " Have to Do with Benedict XVI?===
:I fail to see what this dispute about analyses of events between 1933 and 1945 has to do with Pope Benedict XVI. It is relevant to [[Ludwig Kaas]], the [[Centre Party (Germany)]], and [[Pope Pius XII]]. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] 16:05, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Boss man rap : [[Bill Dorich]] . Uh [[User:Famekeeper|Famekeeper]] 18:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Uh: I'll Delete if u want me to , but let it remain in the archive what I say here : this posting referred to The Question of The Law : the posting was a compliance of civility : Corecticus is the uh best friend to Josellin & Roman Law . The posting is quartered elsewhere . [[User:Famekeeper|Famekeeper]] 21:05, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
You require me to dig into the issue of how any of this relates to the BXVI article . It relates because there is an unfortunate historical conundrum apparent throughout the [[Wikipedia]] pages relating to the [[Reichskonkordat]] or Concorde reached in 1933 and in force still today . The WP reports throughout its relevant pages , upon the rise , accession, seizure , election or otherwise to power of Adolf Hitler . All these pages are comimg up now in cyberspace , taken to be the history and thereby informing the world at large what the WP classes as history . Indeed part of that history relates to the Concorde present ,still , with Germany , and thus brings alive into the contemporary arena that which is historical , or reported as historical - as well as that which is currently the province of BXVI . Repair to the portayal of history therefore will touch upon this existant legislation of accord . I may be alone in seeing the complete contradiction in the presentation of the history , but I claim that it exists . The WP is in historical error and is infecting the greater cyberspace with error . The fact that this error relates to the vastly more serious error actually being accepted by the vatican in this concord , and that BXVI has his own jurisdiction in the matter , does not cancel the error inside the WP . I can say that this is the chicken coming home to roost : the illegal activity by predecessors of BXVI is in fact still illegal , in so far as the Holy see has determined to continue adherence to an illegal Concord . The Concord is illegal because it was signed by an illegal Government , which illegality is the matter of historical error in the WP . The WP itself at present supplies nearly all the corroboration of this illegality in supplying translation of legalities from the historical period , namely the [[Reichstag Fire Decree]] and the [[Enabling Act]] . I refer the reader to the questions arising on discussion page of the Reichskonkordat .
Despite the apparent contrarians on WP denying the entry of the Centre Party and the Reichskonkordat into the historical conclusions of John Cornwell , it appears in fact wrong , and that the evidence brought by myself on Pacelli are slight in comparison . [[Hitler's Pope]] in other words may not be artificially separated from these other articles , at all , not they from Hitler's Pope .[[User:Famekeeper|Famekeeper]] 11:28, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
===Vandalism===
The asshole who keeps coming back under new identities to put 'joke' pictures here and elsewhere has now had his account blocked ''indefinitely''. He seemed not have got the message that endless short blocks were sending. Maybe now he will go away, get out his crayons and play somewhere else. [[User:Jtdirl|<font color="#006666">'''Fear'''<font color="#FF6600">'''''ÉIREANN''''']][[Image:Ireland coa.png|15px]]\<sup><font color=blue>[[user_talk:Jtdirl|(caint)</sup><font color=black>]] 23:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
:I put the image he used to vandalize the article with up for speedy deletion. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Done that in the past with previous images he used, though as some were used in real articles they could not all be deleted. He has since come back on a dial up modem using AOL. A 15 minute block was imposed. Zeech. What a f***ing asshole he is. [[User:Jtdirl|<font color="#006666">'''Fear'''<font color="#FF6600">'''''ÉIREANN''''']][[Image:Ireland coa.png|15px]]\<sup><font color=blue>[[user_talk:Jtdirl|(caint)</sup><font color=black>]] 23:35, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
:Just calm down. Though I know it will be annoying, but this is something we have to do for now, especially since of the news report I mentioned above. It will have it's time, then it will go away, just like the Snape kills .... fad. Plus, you will get some more admin help once my RFA is over. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to see if a picture can be ''locked'' into an article so that this nutcase, and the other one who puts pictures of penises all over users' pages, can't use particular pictures from real articles to vandalise other pages. The penis picture has had to be deleted over 30 times from user pages at this stage, while the various Star Wars pictures have been used over 20 times on various papal pages.
[[User:Jtdirl|<font color="#006666">'''Fear'''<font color="#FF6600">'''''ÉIREANN''''']][[Image:Ireland coa.png|15px]]\<sup><font color=blue>[[user_talk:Jtdirl|(caint)</sup><font color=black>]] 18:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
:We can request for page protection, but I think the page will be stable for a while. IMHO, if it were not for the Reuters report, we would not be facing this problem. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 18:52, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
::we can lock an image out of all articles but we can't do it per article.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 21:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
:::The locking only prevents the image from being replaced by uploading, so someone can still remove the image from the article. The only solution is to lock the article itself, and any changes can be suggested here. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:00, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
==Papal tiara in coat of arms==
see this:
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[[Image:Guard tiara.jpg]]
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It is very official Swiss Guard standard (picture from May oath). So, I think, that we will see both forms, with tiara and without. What do you thik? How to present it in the article? [[User:Fjl|Fjl]] 16:42, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
[[User:Fjl|Fjl]] 16:42, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
:This is a very special coat of arms, only used on the Swiss Guard Standard. The Vatican still uses the arms without the Tiara otherwise. But, what we can do is display the tiara-less arms first, then we display the tiara arms later. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 16:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
::I do not have picture, but "tiara CoA" is displayed in Vatican Gardens (made of flowers). [[User:Fjl|Fjl]] 18:06, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I meant we can use the photo above. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 18:10, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
== [[His Holiness]] in italics ==
Is there any reason why [[His Holiness]] is in italics? It doesn't match the format for [[Her Majesty]] Queen Elizabeth etc. etc. I'd like to make them consistent. Was there some agreement that I missed when I was busy, or can I just go ahead? [[User:Ann Heneghan|Ann Heneghan]] [[User talk:Ann Heneghan |<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
:No. One user proposed the idea. (I forget who. I think it might have been [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]], or maybe he just came up with the idea of linking HH, HM etc to articles explaining the style.) It might be a way, though, of NPOVing the use of styles, by highlighting that they aren't being used but explained. Until Wikipedia changes policy on styles, italising and wikifying them might be the best way to go. But if I go near any pages to do that, the same ragbag of 'style crusaders' go ballistic and scream abuse, so someone else should do it. I think ''[[Her Majesty]]'' [[Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom]] or ''[[His Holiness]]'' [[Pope Benedict XVI]] is more neutral visually than simply [[Her Majesty]] [[Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom]] or [[His Holiness]] [[Pope Benedict XVI]]. [[User:Jtdirl|<font color="#006666">'''Fear'''<font color="#FF6600">'''''ÉIREANN''''']][[Image:Ireland coa.png|15px]]\<sup><font color=blue>[[user_talk:Jtdirl|(caint)</sup><font color=black>]] 22:50, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I'm very happy to put italics in all of them. But, one question first. Am I mistaken in thinking that something was said here about not using His Holiness for ''dead'' popes? Actually, I've just had a look, and many of Benedict's predecessors are now marked as Servant of God, or Venerable, or Blessed. I had to go back as far as [[Pope Pius XI|Pius XI]] to find one who started without anything (other than "Pope") before his name. But what about deceased Kings and Queens? Looking at Wikipedia articles on British monarchs and princes, etc., it seems that deceased monarchs have His/Her Majesty at the beginning, back as far as Victoria, stopping for William IV, starting again for George IV, and stopping again for George III. There's also some inconsistency in that we have '''King George I''', but just '''George II'''. Deceased consorts (Elizabeth the Queen Mother, Queen Mary, Queen Alexandra) or Royal Highnesses (Princess Margaret) don't seem to keep their styles on Wikipedia. I'm happy to make them all consistent, but I'll wait a day or two to see if their are any objections. I'm not anxious to ruffle any feathers, but I would like all the articles to be consistent. What does everyone think about italics, no italics, styles for deceased popes, monarchs, and princes? [[User:Ann Heneghan|Ann Heneghan]] [[User talk:Ann Heneghan |<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:27, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
==Popes and Editing thereof JWales request==
cc Tireless papal editors BXVI
A letter to JWales Final Responsibility re:Auschwitz Testimony Against Pope Pius XII etc
I'm sorry Jimbo , but I see the responsibility to settle intractable disputes rests with you . I seem to run into intractable dispute on your WP , so I ask you to take responsibility . No one else can take this your place .
I refer you to the articles [[Pope Pius XII]] and [[Hitler's Pope]] as the centre of this dispute and ask you to put yourself into the position of final arbiter now, OK ? I particularly think that the surviving Roman Jewess's words be taken as an issue : I wish you therefore to show or not show , that an [[Auschwitz]] survivor be called POV ( rv'd ,Pius in WWar 2) . You will see that the difference between the two articles at this minute is simple : one (PPII) is the 'censored' or whatever version of the other (H's P).
Having been battling to and beyond the brink for 8 months on the one article , I say that only you can survey this with any authority to do anything about it . Let you be the judge of all the WP requisites, knowing that your judgements are real , and that ultimately you yourself will equally be judged . Auschwitz survivors are definitely in a minority and this responsibility for arbitration I lay at you because you are the organ . I will consider myself in-active until you please let me know that I am required . As various users may find this disappearance odd , I post this letter to you for them to see elsewhere . [[User:Famekeeper|Famekeeper]] 09:36, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
==Styles==
Given the ongoing controversy over the usage of styles I have proposed that styles should be the subject of an infobox rather than used in the opening sentence. That way all factual information can be conveyed, but we can end the rows all over the place on the inclusion or exclusion of styles. I have an infobox for papal pages. In the case of Pope Benedict it would look as follows: (don't worry about the papal tiara, BTW. For visual unity crowns were used for each of the monarchical pages. Even if, as now in the papacy, the crown is not worn it still is a symbol of the office.)
{{Infobox popestyles|
papal name=Pope Benedict XVI|
diplomatic style=His Holiness|
sd style=Your Holiness|
religious style=Holy Father|}}
Don't worry right now about the detail. The issue first of all is whether to ''use'' infoboxes instead of the current system. Please don't insert the draft infobox yet. This needs to be done by consensus, so all the draft infoboxes are protected and not yet live. If a consensus exists to go down that road, then issues like content, layout and colourscheme can be explored. I'd welcome any comments here or on my own page as to what people think about the infobox idea. The box can easily be slotted into any biographical page. There are identical boxes proposed for British monarchs, Austrian monarchs, presidents, [[HRH]]s, etc. [[User:Jtdirl|<font color="#006666">'''Fear'''<font color="#FF6600">'''''ÉIREANN''''']][[Image:Ireland coa.png|15px]]\<sup><font color=blue>[[user_talk:Jtdirl|(caint)</sup><font color=black>]] 03:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
:I, for one, think it's a fine idea. Pointedly not discussing layout, content and colorscheme, the idea of an infobox (presumably instead of ''using'' the style in the article) is a good one. So, uh... '''support.''' --[[User:Jenmoa|Jen Moakler]] 05:21, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
::Support (btw, Jtdirl, please email me). [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
== Locking ==
To stop the vandalism and to stop the reverting, I locked the page. So, whatever issues that everyone seems to have with the page, let's talk about it now instead of reverting left and right. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:37, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
==BJAODN Nomination==
Ann Heneghan reverted a comment from this talk page, referring to it, correctly, as offensive nonsense. I would suggest that rather than being simply deleted, it should be archived at BJAODN. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] 15:39, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
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