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== Title ==
'''WikiProject Years'''
 
This is a '''list of [[mobile phone]] [[mobile phone network|network]] operating companies'''.
== Scope ==
This [[WikiPedia:WikiProject|WikiProject]] aims primarily to formalise the unofficial standard used for creating year pages. Results should be transferred to [[Wikipedia:Timeline standards]].
 
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== Parentage ==
== World ==
The parent of this WikiProject is the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Time|WikiProject Time]].
These are the world's '''largest mobile network operators''', by number of subscribers (and by proportionate subscribers, if the company has holdings in other operators). The largest in the world by turnover is [[Vodafone]].
 
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== Descendant Wikiprojects ==
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*[[Wikipedia:WikiProject years in science|WikiProject years in science]]
! Rank !! Company !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in [[million]]s)</small> !! Subscribers<br><small>(including minority stakes)</small>
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|align=right| 1 || [[China Mobile]] ([[China]]) || [[GSM]] || 231.01 ||
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodafone]] ([[United Kingdom]]) || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 165.01 || 450.90
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|align=right| 3 || [[China Unicom]] ([[China]]) || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]] || 122.99 ||
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[T-Mobile]] ([[Germany]]) || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 80.88 || 120.00
|-
|align=right| 5 || [[América Móvil]] ([[Mexico]]) || [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 73.76 ||
|-
|align=right| 6 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]] ([[Spain]]) || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]], [[CDMA]] || 69.94 || 85.27
|-
|align=right| 7 || [[Orange SA|Orange]] ([[France]]) || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 66.74 || 69.55
|-
|align=right| 8 || [[Cingular Wireless|Cingular]] ([[United States]]) || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 54.00 ||
|-
|align=right| 9 || [[NTT DoCoMo]] ([[Japan]]) || [[Personal Digital Cellular|PDC]], [[FOMA]] || 50.82 ||
|-
|align=right| 10 || [[Mobile TeleSystems|MTS]] ([[Russia]]) || [[GSM]] || 48.33 ||
|}
 
==Americas==
== Similar Wikiprojects ==
===Argentina=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
The similar WikiProjects are [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Centuries|WikiProject Centuries]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Millennia|WikiProject Millennia]].
The country had in [[August]] [[2005]] 18,758,335 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
| [[movistar]] || [[GSM]] || 6.73 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]]
|-
| [[CTI Movil]] || [[GSM]] || 4.92 || [[América Móvil]]
|-
| [[Personal (mobile phone service)|Personal]] || [[GSM]] || 4.81 || [[Telecom Argentina]]
|-
| [[NEXTEL]] || [[iDEN]] || 0.43 || [[Sprint Nextel]]
|}
 
===Brazil=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
== Participants ==
The country had 78,947,332 subscribers in total, or a 42.85% penetration rate.
*[[User:LittleDan|LittleDan]]
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
*[[User:TakuyaMurata|Taku]]
|-
*[[User:Olivier|Olivier]]
! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|colspan=4 align=center|'''National operators'''
|-
| [[Vivo (mobile phone network)|Vivo]] [http://www.vivo.com.br/]|| [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || 28.79 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]] and [[Portugal Telecom]]
|-
| [[Telecom Italia Mobile|TIM]] [http://www.tim.com.br/]|| [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 18.01 || [[Telecom Italia]]
|-
| [[Claro (mobile phone network)|Claro]] [http://www.claro.com.br/]|| [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 17.12 ||[[América Móvil]]
|-
|colspan=4 align=center|'''Regional operators'''
|-
| [[Oi (mobile phone network)|Oi]] [http://www.oi.com.br/] || [[GSM]] || 8.72 || [[Telemar]]
|-
| [[Telemig Celular]]/[[Amazônia Celular]] [http://www.telemigcelular.com.br/]|| [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 4.23 || [[Telpart]]
|-
| [[Brasil Telecom GSM]] [http://www.brasiltelecom.com.br/]|| [[GSM]] || 1.64 || [[Brasil Telecom]]
|-
| [[CTBC]] [http://www.ctbc.com.br/]|| [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 0.35 ||
|-
| [[Sercomtel Celular]] [http://www.sercomtelcelular.com.br/]|| [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 0.09 || [[Londrina]] city ([[Paraná]])[[State-owned]] [[Sercomtel]]
|-
|colspan=4 align=center|'''Specialized Mobile Radio'''
|-
| [[NEXTEL]] [http://www.nextel.com.br/]|| [[iDEN]] || || [[Sprint Nextel]]
|}
 
===Canada=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
== Template ==
{{main|List of Canadian mobile phone companies}}
''Note: This template contains things that don't apply to certain years. If something here doesn't apply, such as 'this year in television', just leave it out.''
The country had 15,583,039 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Rogers Wireless]] || [[GSM]] || 5.71 || [[Rogers Communications]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Bell Mobility]] || [[CDMA]] || 4.44 || [[Bell Canada]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[TELUS Mobility]] || [[CDMA]] || 4.15 || [[Telus]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[Microcell Telecommunications|Fido]] || [[GSM]] || || [[Rogers Wireless]]
|-
|align=right| 5 || [[Aliant Mobility]] || [[CDMA]] ||0.67 || [[Aliant]]
|-
|align=right| 6 || [[SaskTel Mobility]] || [[CDMA]] || 0.32 || [[SaskTel]]
|-
|align=right| 7 || [[MTS Mobility]] || [[CDMA]] || 0.30 || [[Manitoba Telecom Services|MTS]]
|-
|align=right| 8 || [[Virgin Mobile]] || [[CDMA]] || || [[Virgin Group]]
|}
 
===Chile===
<pre><nowiki>
The country had in [[June]] [[2005]] 10,572,000 subscribers in total.
[[da:1986]] [[de:1986]] [[eo:1986]] [[es:1986]] [[fr:1986]] [[it:1986]] [[nl:1986]] [[no:1986]] [[pl:1986]] [[pt:1986]] [[sv:1986]]
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:''Alternate uses, see [[Number 1986]]''
|-
[[Centuries]]: [[19th century]] - '''[[20th century]]''' - [[21st century]]
! Operator !! Technology !! Ownership
|-
| [[movistar]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || [[Telefónica Móviles]]
|-
| [[Entel PCS]] || [[GSM]] || [[Hurtado Vicuña]]
|-
| [[Smartcom]] || [[CDMA]] || [[América Móvil]]
|}
 
===Colombia=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
[[Decades]]: [[1930s]] [[1940s]] [[1950s]] [[1960s]] [[1970s]] - '''[[1980s]]''' - [[1990s]] [[2000s]] [[2010s]] [[2020s]] [[2030s]]
The country had 15,581,389 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Comcel]] || [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 9.17 || [[América Móvil]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[movistar]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || 4.76 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Ola]] || [[GSM]] || 1.65 || [[Empresas Públicas de Medellín]] and [[Empresa de Teléfonos de Bogotá]]
|}
 
===Ecuador=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
Years: [[1981]] [[1982]] [[1983]] [[1984]] [[1985]] - '''1986''' - [[1987]] [[1988]] [[1989]] [[1990]] [[1991]]
The country had 5,221,535 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Porta]] || [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 3.38 || [[América Móvil]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[movistar]] || [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || 1.65 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Alegro PCS]] || [[CDMA]] || 0.18 || [[TELECSA]]
|}
 
===Mexico=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
----
The country had 42,530,100 subscribers in total, or a 40.00% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Telcel]] || [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 32.29 || [[América Móvil]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[movistar]] || [[GSM]] || 5.85 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Iusacell]] || [[CDMA]] || 1.62 || [[Grupo Salinas]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[Unefon]] || [[CDMA]] || 1.44 || [[Moisés Saba]] and [[TV Azteca]]
|}
 
===Peru=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
<div style="float:right; border:1px; border-style:solid; padding:2px">
The country had 4,655,214 subscribers in total, or a 16.62% penetration rate.
'''See also:'''
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
* [[1986 in film]]
|-
* [[1986 in literature]]
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
* [[1986 in music]]
|-
* [[1986 in science]]
|align=right| 1 || [[movistar]] || [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || 2.99 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]]
* [[1986 in sports]]
|-
* [[1986 in television]]
|align=right| 2 || [[TIM]] || [[GSM]] || 1.46 || [[América Móvil]]
</div>
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[NEXTEL]] || [[iDEN]] || 0.21 || [[Sprint Nextel]]
|}
 
===United States=== (as of [[December]] [[2004]])
==Events==
The country had 182,140,862 subscribers in total.
* [[January 1]] - [[Spain]] and [[Portugal]] enter the [[European Community]]
These are the largest mobile phone companies in the [[United States]], by number of subscribers.
* January 1 - [[Aruba]] gains increased autonomy from the [[Netherlands]] and is separated from the [[Netherlands Antilles]].
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* etc.
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Cingular]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 54.0 || [[SBC Communications|SBC]] (60%) and [[BellSouth]] (40%)
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Verizon Wireless]] || [[CDMA]] || 47.4 || [[Verizon Communications]] (55%) and [[Vodafone]] (45%)
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Sprint]] || [[CDMA]], [[iDEN]] || 44.4 || [[Sprint Nextel Corporation]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[T-Mobile]] || [[GSM]] || 19.2 || [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 5 || [[ALLTEL]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || 10.6 || [[ALLTEL|ALLTEL Corporation]]
|-
|align=right| 6 || [[U.S. Cellular]] || [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || 5.2 || [[U.S. Cellular|United States Cellular Corp.]]
|-
|align=right| 7 || [[TracFone]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || 4.9 || [[América Móvil]]
|-
|align=right| 8 || [[Virgin Mobile]] ([[Mobile Virtual Network Operator|MVNO]] using Sprint) || [[CDMA]] || 3.0 || [[Virgin Group]]
|-
|align=right| 9 || [[Dobson Communications]] || [[GSM]], [[TDMA]] || 1.6 ||
|-
|align=right| 10 || [[MetroPCS]] || [[CDMA]] || 1.5 ||
|-
|align=right| 11 || [[Cricket Communications]] || [[CDMA]] || 1.49 ||
|}
 
''In [[North America]], IS-2000 is commonly known as [[Code division multiple access|CDMA]]. IS-136 is known as [[Time division multiple access|TDMA]]. However, CDMA and TDMA are general terms that can refer to several different technologies.''
*The [[Iran-Contra affair]] is publicly exposed in October and November
*Commonly considered the start date of the golden age of [[old school rap]]
 
==Births=Venezuela===
The country had in [[June]] [[2005]] 9,830,348 subscribers in total, or a 37.10% penetration rate.
* [[February 21]] - [[Charlotte Church]], singer
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* [[April 3]] - [[Amanda Bynes]], teen actress and show host
|-
* etc.
! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers !! Ownership
|-
|colspan=4 align=center|'''National operators'''
|-
| [[movistar]] || [[CDMA]] || 5.2 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]]
|-
| [[Movilnet]] || [[CDMA]], [[TDMA]] || 3.4 || [[Cantv]] and [[Verizon Communications|Verizon]]
|-
|colspan=4 align=center|'''Regional operators'''
|-
| [[Digitel TIM]] || [[GSM]] || 1.2 || [[Telecom Italia]]
|-
| [[Digicel]] || [[GSM]] ||
|-
| [[Infonet]] || [[GSM]] ||
|}
 
==DeathsAsia Pacific==
===Australia=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
* [[January 14]] - [[Donna Reed]], actress
The country had 18,094,000 subscribers in total.
* [[January 24]] - [[L. Ron Hubbard]], [[science fiction]] writer, founder of [[Scientology]]
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* etc.
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=90| Subscribers!!width=150| Ownership
|-
| [[Telstra Mobile]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]] || 8.23 || [[Telstra]] (~50% [[State-owned]])
|-
|| [[Optus Mobile]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]] || 6.03 || [[Singapore Telecommunications]]
|-
| [[Vodafone]] || [[GSM]] || 2.89 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
| [[3 (telecommunications)|3]] || [[UMTS]] || 0.53 || [[Hutchison Whampoa]]
|-
|| [[Orange Australia]] || [[CDMA]] || 0.42 || [[Hutchison Whampoa]]
|}
 
===Bangladesh=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
==[[Nobel Prize|Nobel Prizes]]==
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 3,762,000 subscribers in total, or a 2.80% penetration rate.
* [[Nobel Prize/Physics|Physics]]- [[Ernst Ruska]], [[Gerd Binnig]], [[Heinrich Rohrer]]
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* [[Nobel Prize/Chemistry|Chemistry]] - [[Dudley R Herschbach]], [[Yuan T Lee]], [[John C Polanyi]]
|-
* [[Nobel Prize/Physiology or medicine|Medicine]] - [[Stanley Cohen]], [[Rita Levi-Montalcini]]
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
* [[Nobel Prize in literature|Literature]] - [[Wole Soyinka]]
|-
* [[Nobel Prize/Peace|Peace]] - [[Elie Wiesel]]
|| [[GrameenPhone]] || [[GSM]] || 3.70 || [[Telenor]] and [[Grameen Bank]]
* [[Nobel Prize/Economics|Economics]] - [[James Buchanan Jr]]
|-
</nowiki></pre>
|| [[Aktel]] || [[GSM]] || 2.00 || [[AK Khan & Company]] and [[Telekom Malaysia]]
|-
|| [[Banglalink]] || [[GSM]] || 0.46 || [[Orascom Telecom]]
|-
|| [[CityCell]] || [[CDMA]] || 0.32 || [[Singapore Telecommunications]], [[Pacific Motors]] and [[Far East Telecom]]
|-
|| [[bMobile]] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[State-owned]]
|}
 
===China, People's Republic of=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
==Discussion==
The country had 372,800,000 subscribers in total.
I think that the section "this year in art, culture, and fashion" should be left out. I prefer the frame that has links to those pages. [[User:LittleDan|LittleDan]] 16:48 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
| [[China Mobile]] || [[GSM]] || 231.01 || [[State-owned]]
|-
| [[China Unicom]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]] || 122.99 || [[State-owned]]
|}
 
====Hong Kong====
:Yep. It is redundant and takes up unnecessary space (I hate having to list things twice). I vote for just having the box links and leaving out the actual section. Oh and each other heading should be a real heading (==) instead of just being bolded. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]]
The administrative region had in [[June]] [[2005]] 8,384,880 subscribers in total, or a 120.80% penetration rate.
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!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology!!width=150| Ownership
|-
|| [[CSL]] (CSL, 1O1O and One2Free) || [[UMTS]], [[GSM|GSM-900]], [[GSM-1800]], [[TDMA]] || [[Telstra]]
|-
|| [[3 (telecommunications)|3]]<sup>1</sup> || [[UMTS]], [[GSM|GSM-900]], [[GSM-1800]], [[CDMA]] || [[Hutchison Whampoa]]
|-
|| [[Smartone]] and [[eXtra]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM|GSM-900]], [[GSM-1800]] || [[Sun Hung Kai]] and [[BT]]
|-
|| [[Sunday Communications Ltd|Sunday]]<sup>2</sup> || [[UMTS]], [[GSM-1800]] ||
|-
|| [[Peoples (wireless provider)|Peoples]] || [[GSM-1800]] ||
|-
|| [[New_World_Development_Co._Ltd.|New World Mobility]] || [[GSM-1800]] ||
|}
<sub>
1. Previously [[Orangina SA|Orange]] Hong Kong, [[Xin Gan Xian]], [[Everyday PCS]].<br>
2. July 2005: [[PCCW]] former owner of [[CSL]] has agreed in June to buy the 59.9% of shares held by the two biggest shareholders at HK$0.65 each share. The acquisition has received approval from Hong Kong's Office of the Telecommunications Authority, and has progressed to a mandatory unconditional cash offer to buy the remaining stock at HK$0.65 per share. Total cost to [[PCCW]] will be approx HK$1.942bn, allowing its reentry into the wireless market and access to [[Sunday]]'s 3G licence.
</sub>
 
===China, Republic of (Taiwan)=== (as of [[July]] [[2005]])
:No, I like the bolded look. It cleans up the page. We don't want giant headings everywhere. But there is one problem with deleting the art, culture, and fashion section. Parts of it might not be listed in the individual pages, so we'd have to check each one. I've deleted the 'art, culture, and fashion' section from the template. [[User:LittleDan|LittleDan]] 15:22 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The country had 20,515,000 subscribers in total, or a 90.92% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
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!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
|| [[Chunghwa Telecom]] || [[GSM]] || 8.11 || [[State-owned]]
|-
|| [[Far EasTone]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || ||
|-
|| [[KG Telecom]] || [[GSM]] || ||
|-
|| [[MobiTai]] || [[GSM]] || ||
|-
|| [[Taiwan Mobile]] || [[GSM]] || ||
|-
|| [[VIBO]] || [[UMTS]] || ||
|-
|| [[APBW]] || [[CDMA]] || ||
|}
 
===India=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
::I would also prefer having actual headings as it makes editing (especially for long articles) easier. If it can be done automatically (some script) for all pages then it would be great, otherwise might as well leave them as they are. [[User:Dori|Dori]] 01:29, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The country had 62,570,000 subscribers in total, or a 5.76% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
|| [[Airtel]] || [[GSM]] || 13.41 || [[Bharti Tele-Ventures]]
|-
|| [[BSNL]] || [[GSM]] || 11.32 || [[State-owned]]
|-
|| [[RIM]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]] || 11.13 || [[Reliance Industries Limited]]
|-
|| [[Hutch (Indian cellular company)|Hutch]] || [[GSM]] || 9.30 || [[Hutchison Whampoa]]
|-
|| [http://www.ideacellular.com !DEA] || [[GSM]] || 5.88 ||[[Birla]] ([[Tata Group]])
|-
|| [[Spice]] || [[GSM]] || 1.48 || [[Spicecorp]] and [[DISTACOM]]
|-
|| [[MTNL]] || [[GSM]] || 1.22 || [[State-owned]]
|}
 
===Indonesia=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:::I'd also like to add my support to the idea of headings being real headings and not just bolded. It's best (especially in the long run) to use proper mark-up not just a lower-level description of what it looks like. If headings appear too big on some browsers (they don't on mine), then that can be fixed by [[Cascading Style Sheets|CSS]] markup. Furthermore, the [[Wikipedia:Guide to Layout]] recommends this. -- [[User:Cabalamat|Cabalamat]] 02:29, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 30,000,000 subscribers in total, or a 13.48% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
|| [[Telkomsel]] || [[GSM]] || 21.58 || [[State-owned]] [[PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia]] and [[Singapore Telecommunications]]
|-
|| [[Indosat]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]] || 12.90 || [[Technologies Telemedia]]
|-
|| [[XL]] || [[GSM]] || 4.30 || [[Telekom Malaysia]]
|-
|| [[Mobile8]] || [[CDMA]] || ||
|-
|| [[Esia]] || [[CDMA]] || ||
|-
|| [[TelkomFlexi]] || [[CDMA]] || ||
|-
|| [[LippoTel]] || [[GSM]] || ||
|}
 
===Japan=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]]) ([[Mobile]] and [[Personal Handy-phone System]] included)
::::I also agree with the headings. It looks like we are close to a consensus here. [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 17:38, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had 93,314,900 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
| [[NTT DoCoMo]] || [[Personal Digital Cellular|PDC]], [[FOMA]], [[Personal Handy-phone System|PHS]] || 50.82 || [[NTT]] (~50% [[State-owned]])
|-
| [[KDDI Corporation|KDDI]] || [[CDMA]] || 20.54 || [[KDDI Corporation|KDDI]]
|-
| [[Vodafone Japan]] || [[UMTS]], [[Personal Digital Cellular|PDC]] || 14.99 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
| [[TU-KA]] || [[Personal Digital Cellular|PDC]] || 3.53 || [[KDDI Corporation|KDDI]]
|-
| [[Willcom]] || [[Personal Handy-phone System|PHS]] || 3.37 || [[Carlyle Group]], [[Kyocera]] and [[KDDI Corporation|KDDI]]
|-
| [[Astel]] || [[Personal Handy-phone System|PHS]] || 0.07 ||
|}
 
===Korea, Republic of=== (as of [[September]] [[2005]])
:I'm involved in the current project for the [[List of years in science|year in science]] pages, and have been adding links to them from the general year pages as they are built. I much prefer the ''See also'' boxes rather than ''art, culture, and fashon'' heading, as the ''year in science'' doesn't seem to fit there, yet it seems clunky to add another section just for the year in science link. Additionally, I agree with using headings over bolded headlines, and have been editing pages to use headings whenever I'm adding the "year in science" link. Hope I didn't step on anyone's toes. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 09:52, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
The country had 37,911,000 subscribers in total, or a 78.30% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
| [[SK Telecom]] || [[UMTS]], [[CDMA]] || 19.34 || [[SK Corporation]]
|-
| [[KTF]] || [[UMTS]], [[CDMA]] || 12.28 || [[KT Corporation|KT]]
|-
| [[LG Telecom]] || [[CDMA]] || 6.29 || [[LG Group|LG Corporation]] and [[BT Group plc|BT]]
|}
 
===Malaysia=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
----
The country had 16,551,000 subscribers in total, or a 63.30% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
| [[Maxis Berhad]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || ||
|-
| [[Celcom]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || || [[Telekom Malaysia]]
|-
| [[Digi]] || [[GSM]] || || [[Telenor]]
|}
 
===Pakistan=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
Regarding specific dates, there are a lot of Wikipedia pages that refer to a specific date (day, month and year) on which an event occurred. These are not automatically put on the page for that year. Wouldn't it be nice if they were, in a semi-automated way (this could be done on a batch process running perhaps once per day or once per week). As an example of what I mean, consider the [[Eurofighter Typhoon]] site.
The country had 15,511,045 subscribers in total, or a 10.07% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
|| [[Mobilink]] || [[GSM]] || 7.46 || [[Orascom Telecom]]
|-
|| [[Ufone GSM]] || [[GSM]], [[CDMA]] || 2.57 || [[State-owned]]
|-
|| [[Paktel]] || [[GSM]], [[TDMA]], [[AMPS]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[Millicom]]
|-
|| [[Telenor]] || [[GSM]] || 0.83 || [[Telenor]]
|-
|| [[Instaphone]] || [[TDMA]], [[AMPS]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[Millicom]]
|-
|| [[Warid Telecom]] || [[GSM]] || 0.51 || [[Abu Dhabi Group]]
|}
 
===Philippines=== (as of [[December]] [[2004]])
This contains the sentence:
The country had in [[March]] [[2005]] 34,800,000 subscribers in total, or a 41.10% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
|| [[Smart Communications]] || [[GSM]] || 14.60 || [[Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company]]
|-
|| [[Globe Telecom]]&sup1; || [[GSM]] || 12.51 || [[Ayala Corporation]] and <br>[[Singapore Telecommunications]]
|-
|| [[Sun Cellular]] || [[GSM]] || 1.20 || [[Digital Telecommunications Philippines]]
|-
|| [[Next Mobile]] || [[Integrated Digital Enhanced Network|iDEN]] || 0.031 ||
|-
|| [[Extelcom]] || [[CDMA]] || 0.01 ||
|-
!colspan=4 align=center| [[Mobile Virtual Network Operator|Mobile Virtual Network Operators]]
|-
| [[Talk 'N Text]] (using Smart) || [[GSM]] || 4.61 || [[Smart Communications]]
|-
| [[Addict Mobile]] (using Smart) || [[GSM]] || || [[Smart Communications]]
|-
| [[Touch Mobile]] (using Globe) || [[GSM]] || || [[Globe Telecom]]
|}
<sub>1. UMTS service for Globe is in testing stage and is planned for launch by at least 2007.</sub>
 
===Thailand=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
* The [[maiden flight]] of the Typhoon prototype took place on [[March 27]],[[1994]] (then just known as the Eurofighter EF 2000).
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 28,000,000 subscribers in total, or a 44.12% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
!width=120| Operator !!width=90| Technology !!width=75| Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !!width=150| Ownership
|-
|| [[Advance Info Service]] (AIS) || [[GSM]] || 15.81 || [[Shin Corporation]] and [[Singapore Telecommunications]]
|-
|| [[DTAC]] || [[GSM]] || 8.24 || [[UCOM]] and [[Telenor]]
|-
|| [[Orange SA|Orange]] || [[GSM]] || || [[True Corporation]] and [[France Télécom]]
|-
|| [[Hutch]] || [[CDMA]] || 0.68 || [[Hutchison Whampoa]]
|-
|| [[Thai Mobile]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || || [[State-owned]]
|}
 
===Vietnam===
The automatic process could insert this entry in the appropriate place in the [[1994]] page:
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 4,960,000 subscribers in total, or a 6.01% penetration rate.
''List of operators not available yet. To come soon''
 
==Europe==
* [[March 27]] - '''''AUTOMATED ENTRY from [[Eurofighter Typhoon]]''''': The [[maiden flight]] of the Typhoon prototype took place on [[March 27]],[[1994]] (then just known as the Eurofighter EF 2000).
===Austria=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
The country had 8,128,000 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Mobilkom Austria|A1]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 3.30 || [[Telekom Austria]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[T-Mobile]] || [[GSM]] || 2.05 || [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[One]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 1.54 ||
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[tele.ring]] || [[GSM]] || 0.98 || [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 5 || [[3]] || [[UMTS]] || 0.26 || [[Hutchison Whampoa]]
|}
 
===Belgium=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
I expect there are a few things in this proposal that need to be ironed out.
The country had 8,930,000 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Proximus]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 4.21 || [[Belgacom]] and [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Mobistar]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 2.87 || [[France Télécom]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Base]] || [[GSM]] || 1.85 || [[KPN]]
|}
 
===Bulgaria===
-- [[User:Cabalamat|Cabalamat]] 02:39, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 4,729,700 subscribers in total, or a 60.41% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[M-Tel]]<sup>1</sup> || [[GSM]] || || [[Telekom Austria]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[GloBul]] || [[GSM]] || || [[OTE]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Viva]] || [[GSM]] || || [[State-owned]] [[Bulgarian Telecommunation Company|BTC]] (Bulgarian Telecommunication Company)
|}
<sup>1</sup> [[UMTS]] licence has been acquired by [[M-Tel]] in March 2005.
 
===Czech Republic=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:The main problem is that it gets so many bad entries. Most of these should simply be deleted again, the rest would probably need editing. If you do this at all, I'd propose to use to create some [[1994/Temp]] page, and then create entries from there. I have the feeling that getting a list of them is the only useful thing here; rewriting might well be easier than editing. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:16, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had 10,834,000 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[T-Mobile]]<sup>1</sup> || [[GSM]] || 4.46 || [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Eurotel Praha]] (Prague) || [[GSM]] || 4.42 || [[Český Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Oskar Mobil]] || [[GSM]] || 1.95 || [[Vodafone]]
|}
<sup>1</sup> [[UMTS]] service for T-Mobile CZ is currently being planned for launch on March 2006.
 
===Finland===
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The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 4,988,000 subscribers in total, or a 95.63% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Operator !! Technology !! Ownership
|-
| [[Sonera]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || [[Telia Sonera]]
|-
| [[Elisa]] (formerly Radiolinja) || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] ||
|-
| [[DNA Finland]] || [[GSM]] || [[Finnet]]
|-
| [[GSM Åland]] || [[GSM]] || [[Mariehamns Telefon]] and [[Ålands Telefonandelslag]]
|-
!colspan=3 align=center| [[Mobile Virtual Network Operator|Virtual Mobile Network Operators]]
|-
| [[Saunalahti]] || [[GSM]] ||
|-
| [[Tele2]] || [[GSM]] ||
|-
| [[Cubio]] || [[GSM]] ||
|}
 
===France=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]]) ([[Metropolitan France]] only.)
* I would suggest to have an additional paragraph: '''Monarchs/Presidents'''. The idea being to know who was in office where during that year. For instance, when I would read: "The [[Seven Years' War]] ([[1756]] - [[1763]]) pitted Great Britain, Prussia and Hanover against France, Austria, Russia, Sweden, and Saxony." I could click on the dates and see who were the guys in power during that period. See my embryonic proposal at: [[1756]]. [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 00:29, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had 43,884,700 subscribers in total, or a 75.00% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Orange SA|Orange]] || [[GSM]] || 20.67 || [[State-owned]] [[France Télécom]]
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[SFR]] || [[GSM]] || 15.69 || [[SFR Cegetel]] and [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Bouygues Telecom]] || [[GSM]] || 7.53 || [[Bouygues|Bouygues group]]
|}
 
===Germany=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:I love that. It only makes boring year pages more attractive! -- [[User:TakuyaMurata|Taku]]
The country had 74,088,000 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[T-Mobile]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 28.18 || [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodafone]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 27.72 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[E-Plus (operator)|E-Plus]] || [[GSM]] || 9.80 || [[KPN]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[O2 plc|O<sub>2</sub>]] || [[GSM]] || 8.39 || [[O2 plc|O<sub>2</sub> plc]]
|}
 
===Greece=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
::Along the same line, I suggest adding an '''Ongoing events''' paragraph. (see [[1757]] for an example). The idea being to give a snapshot of the state of the world at the time. [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 01:18, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had 11,659,600 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Cosmote]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 4.38 || [[OTE]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodafone]] || [[GSM]] || 4.17 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[TIM]]<sup>1</sup> || [[GSM]] || 2.26 ||
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[Q-Telecom]]<sup>2</sup> || [[GSM]] || 0.85 || [[Info-Quest]]
|}
<sub>
1. Was [[Telestet]] until [[February]] [[2004]] but the name is still used coloquially.<br>
2. The newest mobile telecom in Greece uses Vodafone's infrastructure until it builds its own network.
</sub>
 
===Hungary=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
:Can we put practical rulers as well? Like Monarchs/Presidents/Practical rules or something. For example, in 1756 Japan was ruled by shogun. -- [[User:TakuyaMurata|Taku]]
The country had 9,020,623 subscribers in total, or a 89.40% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[T-Mobile]] || [[GSM]] || 4.09 || [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Pannon GSM]] || [[GSM]] || 3.08 || [[Telenor]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Vodafone]] || [[GSM]] || 1.86 || [[Vodafone]]
|}
 
===Italy===
::Same situation for Prime Ministers of the UK, Chancellors of Germany, various Governors... I agree that we should find a satisfying title for the paragraph that would include all of them. ''Monarchs/Presidents/Practical rulers'' is a bit bulky... [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 01:40, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 62,750,000 subscribers in total, or a 109.42% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[TIM]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 26.3 || [[Telecom Italia]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodafone]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 17 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Wind]] || [[GSM]] || 7.7 || [[Orascom Telecom]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[3 (telecommunications)|3]] || [[UMTS]] || 5.2 || [[Hutchison Whampoa]]
|}
 
===Netherlands===
:I know it doesn't sound good. Simply rulers or national leaders? -- [[User:TakuyaMurata|Taku]]
The country had in [[June]] [[2005]] 16,660,000 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[KPN]] || [[GSM]] || 3.9 || [[KPN]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodafone]] || [[GSM]] || 3.6 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Telfort]] || [[GSM]] || 2.4 || [[KPN]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[T-Mobile]] || [[GSM]] || 2.3 || [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 5 || [[Orange SA|Orange]] || [[GSM]] || 1.65 || [[France Telecom]]
|}
 
===Norway===
::I think that's a good term, yes. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:18, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 4,716,090 subscribers in total, or a 102.40% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small>
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Telenor]] || 2.5
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[NetCom (Norway)|NetCom]] || 1.2
|}
 
===Poland===
:::Sounds good. Another option would be "Heads of states". [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 17:38, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had in [[June]] [[2005]] 25,300,000 subscribers in total, or a 65.90% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! <small>Rank</small> !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscri bers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Era (operator)|Era]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 8.60<sup>2</sup> || [[Elektrim]] and [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Orange Polska]] || [[UMTS]]<sup>1</sup>, [[GSM]] || 7.44<sup>2</sup> || [[TPSA]] and [[France Telecom]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Plus GSM]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 7.03<sup>2</sup> || [[Vodafone]], [[TDC (company)|TDC]], KGHM, [[PKN Orlen]], PSE
|-
|align=right| 4 || Netia Mobile<sup>1</sup> || [[UMTS]]<sup>1</sup> || - || Novator 70% and [[Netia]] 30%
|}
 
<sub>
:I like Heads of states. If no objection is seen, I am going to change the heading. -- [[User:TakuyaMurata|Taku]] 23:21, Oct 3, 2003 (UTC)
1. Not yet operational as of [[September]] [[2005]].
 
<sub>
::Popes, antipopes, some important ministers and leaders of breakaway or important dependent territories could also usefully find their way in the list. Does "heads of states" cover these guys adequately? I would say it does, but I would be happy to have other opinions. [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 08:38, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
2. As of [[December]] [[2004]].
</sub>
 
===Portugal===
I'm definitely coming in late to this discussion (which I only found out because of [[User:Olivier|Olivier]]'s edit to AD [[680]]), but I do have a couple of reservations:
The country had in [[March]] [[2005]] 10,642,600 subscribers in total, or a 101.60% penetration rate.
#Won't this overwhelm entries of earlier years where outside of the "Heads of states" section there might only be one or two entries? (Hopefully this will not always be the case, but as one person who is trying to add content to entries before AD 1000, there are far more years that would be overwhelmed than not.)
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
#Where do we draw the line on inclusion of "Heads of states"? For example, currently there are about 170 sovereign countries in the World -- which ones do we include & exclude? The problem only gets more entangled the further back we go, & we lay ourselves open to charges of being selective. (For example, including every king of Sparta while omitting any mention of the kings of Nubia, or various client kingdoms of China or the current Indian Empire.)
|-
! Operator !! Technology !! Ownership
|-
|[[Telecomunicações Móveis Nacionais, SA|TMN]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || [[Portugal Telecom]]
|-
|[[Vodafone]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|[[Optimus Telecomunicações, S.A.|Optimus]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || [[Sonae]], [[France Télécom]]
|-
|colspan=4 align=center|'''[[Mobile Virtual Network Operator|Mobile Virtual Network Operators]]'''
|-
|[[Yorn|Yorn (Young ORiginal Network)]] (using Vodafone) || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|[[rede4]] (using Optimus) || [[GSM]] || [[Sonae]], [[France Télécom]]
|-
|[[UZO]] (using TMN) || [[GSM]] || [[Portugal Telecom]]
|}
 
===Romania=== (as of [[July]] [[2005]])
Until these points are addressed, could the addition of this section be kept to the entries '''after''' AD 1000 -- & preferably after 1500? Those entries tend to be quite verbose, & a section like this would be of most benefit. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] 20:47, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The country had 11,640,000 subscribers in total, or a 53.65% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Orange Romania]] || [[GSM]] || 6.00 || [[France Télécom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Connex GSM Romania]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 5.25 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Zapp Mobile]] || [[CDMA]] || 0.30 || [[Oger Telecom]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[Cosmorom]] || [[GSM]] || 0.09 || [[OTE]]
|}
 
===Russian Federation=== (as of [[July]] [[2005]])
:Interesting. I would almost be tempted to say that having all the lists of the all the heads of states pre-1000 or pre-15000 would be a good problem to have. Basically, we are talking about a problem that we do not have yet, but that we will have sometime down the road, after the "heads of states" lists become overpopulated (It is far from being the case at this point). 3 points come to my mind to tentatively address these issues:
The country had 102,440,000 subscribers in total, or a 70.60% penetration rate.
These are the largest mobile phone companies in [[Russia]], by number of subscribers.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Mobile TeleSystems|Mobile TeleSystems - MTS]] || [[GSM]] || 35.74 || [[AFK Sistema]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Bee Line GSM|VimpelCom - Bee Line GSM]] || [[GSM]] || 35.35 || [[Telenor]] and [[Alfa Group]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[MegaFon]] || [[GSM]] || 19.15 || [[Telia Sonera]], [[Telecominvest]] and [[IPOC International Growth Fund]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[Uralsvyazinform]] || [[GSM]] || 2.95 ||
|-
|align=right| 5 || [[SMARTS]] || [[GSM]] || 2.39 ||
|-
|align=right| 6 || [[Tele2]] || [[GSM]] || 1.91 ||
|-
|align=right| 7 || [[Sibirtelecom]] || [[GSM]] || 1.48 ||
|}
 
===Serbia & Montenegro===
:1- Let us go back to the reason why we want (or don't want) to have the list of "heads of states" in the years' pages. I have started to include this section in order to generate a discussion, and also because I felt the need to have this information at some point. As I said before, having a page detailing what the world looked like in 680 would be interesting - to me, at least, and slightly more useful than knowing, for instance, who was born this year. Figuring out why we want these lists might help us figure out who should be in the lists. (I know I am not solving the problem here...)
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 4,729,600 subscribers in total, or a 44.96% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small>
|-
| [[MOBTEL]] || [[GSM]] ||
|-
| [[ProMonte]] || [[GSM]] ||
|-
| [[MONET GSM|MONET]] || [[GSM]] ||
|-
| [[Mobilna Telefonija Srbija]] || [[GSM]] ||
|}
 
===Spain=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:2- Regarding the overwhelming issue. IF you intend to add the births/death and changes of power of all the rulers you are mentioning, then the list of heads of states should not be longer than the other lists on the page. I agree that this would make these pages VERY long. Now, the question is also whether we want to include all these events in the years' pages, and we arrive at a broader question: which granularity do we want to have on these pages? The question has been raised by [[User:Mazzy]] at [[Wikipedia talk:Timeline standards]], but no agreement has been reached yet, as far as I know.
The country had 40,921,800 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[movistar]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 19.38 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodafone]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 11.84 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Amena]]<sup>1</sup> || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 9.70 || [[France Télécom]]
|}
<sub>
1. to be rebranded [[Orange SA|Orange]] Spain
</sub>
 
===Sweden=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:3- Wikipedia dynamics. In my Wikipedia experience, problems are best solved when they actually arise. Here is my suggestion: if some people feel enthusiatic about filling such huge lists as detailed "Heads of states" lists, then let us let them do it. It is a work that we probably want to see being done, and if we impose restrictions at this early stage, then these contributions might be postponed for a very long time. If we eventually figure out that some lists have grown out of control, then we could for instance simply create a separate page "Heads of states in 680".
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small>
|-
| [[Telia]] || [[UMTS]],[[GSM]] || 4.32
|-
| [[Tele2Comviq]] || [[UMTS]],[[GSM]] || 3.50
|-
| [[Vodafone]] || [[UMTS]],[[GSM]] || 1.52
|-
| [[3 (telecommunications)|3]] || [[UMTS]] ||
|-
| [[Spring Mobil]] || [[GSM]] ||
|}
 
===Switzerland=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:Bottom line. My suggestion is to continue populating these lists, and if they grow too big, let us create separate pages. That reminds me a bit of a discussion we had at [[Talk:East Germany]] (see 29 Jun 2003). In this case, I belive that the presence of the template has generated more contributions than if it had not been applied. Of course, these are my suggestions, and I am glad to read others' opinions. [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 23:42, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The country had 6,426,000 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Swisscom Mobile]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 4.04 || [[State-owned]] [[Swisscom]] and [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Sunrise (telecommunication)|Sunrise]] || [[GSM]] || 1.23 || [[TDC Group]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Orange SA|Orange]] || [[GSM]] || 1.15 || [[France Télécom]]
|}
 
===Turkey=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
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The country had 39,608,677 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Turkcell]] || [[GSM]] || 25.60 || [[Cukurova Group]] and [[Telia Sonera]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Telsim]] || [[GSM]] || ''not available yet'' || Currently possessed by state, to be sold off soon.
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Avea]] || [[GSM]] || ''not available yet'' || [[Türk Telekom]], [[Telecom Italia]] and [[Türk İş Bankası]]
|}
 
===Ukraine=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
I would suggest to reduce the 'this year in...' box to only those years where at least one of these actually exist, and then still only those that actually do exist. Having an empty link to [[1001 in sports]] on [[1001]] is just silliness, in my opinion. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:16, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had 23,000,000 mobile subscribers in total, or a 48.9% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! Technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Ukrainian Mobile Communications]] || [[GSM]], [[Nordic_Mobile_Telephone|NMT]] || ~11.0 || [[Mobile_TeleSystems|MTS]] (100%)
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Kyivstar]] || [[GSM]] || 10.9 || [[Telenor]] (56.52%), [[Alfa_Group|Alfa Group]] (43.48%)
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Astelit life:)]] || [[GSM]] || 1.1 || [[Turkcell]] (54.2%), [[SCM Holdings]] (45.8%)
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[Ukrainian RadioSystems]] || [[GSM]] || 0.1 || [[Optima-Telecom]] and [[PRIVAT Group]]
|-
|align=right| 5 || [[Golden Telecom]] || [[GSM]] || 0.06 || [[Golden Telecom Inc.]] (GLDN)
|-
|align=right| 6 || [[DCC]] || [[TDMA]] || 0.04 || [[Turkcell]] (54.2%), [[SCM Holdings]] (45.8%)
|-
|-
|align=right| - || CDMA operators || [[CDMA]] || 0.1 || [[ITC Ukraine]], [[Velton]], etc.
|-
|}
 
===United Kingdom=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:Your voice and the voice of reason seem to be pretty close... [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 17:38, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The country had 63,601,000 subscribers in total
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[T-Mobile]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 16.06 || [[Deutsche Telekom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodafone]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 15.49 || [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[O2 plc|O<sub>2</sub>]] || [[GSM]] || 14.62 || [[O2 plc|O<sub>2</sub> plc]]
|-
|align=right| 4 || [[Orange SA|Orange]] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 14.46 || [[France Télécom]]
|-
|align=right| 5 || [[3 (telecommunications)|3]] || [[UMTS]] || 3.21 <sup>1</sup> || [[Hutchison Whampoa]]
|}
<sup>1</sup> Data as of [[August]] [[24]] [[2005]].
 
There are also a number of [[MVNO|Virtual Mobile Network Operators]], including [[Virgin Mobile]], [[Tesco|Tesco Mobile]], and [[EasyGroup|easyMobile]].
 
==Middle East & Africa==
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===Algeria=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
See my suggestion for '''The world in''' at [[1220]]. [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 03:46, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The country had 9,879,847 subscribers in total, or a 30.87% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Djezzy]] || [[GSM]] || 5.69 || [[Orascom Telecom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Mobilis]] || [[GSM]] || 3.19 || [[State-owned]] [[Algérie Télécom]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Nedjma]] || [[GSM]] || 1.00 || [[Wataniya Telecom]]
|}
 
===Egypt=== (as of [[August]] [[2005]])
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The country had 11,223,984 subscribers in total.
I'd like to suggest the following addition to the template for year pages, at e.g. [[80]]:
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[MobiNil]] [http://www.mobinil.com] || [[GSM]] || 5.91 || [[Orascom Telecom]] and [[France Télécom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodafone]] [http://www.vodafone.com.eg] || [[GSM]] || 5.32 || [[Vodafone]]
|}
 
===Kenya=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:''Alternate uses: see [[Number 80]]''
The country had 4,611,070 subscribers in total, or a 14,40% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Safaricom]] [http://www.safaricom.co.ke]] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[State-owned]] [[Telkom Kenya]] and [[Vodafone]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Celtel]] [http://www.ke.celtel.com] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[MTC]]
|}
 
===Mauritius=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]]
in wikimarkup:
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 622,565 subscribers in total.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Cellplus]] || [[GSM]] || 0.39 || [[Mauritius Telecom]] group and [[France Telecom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Emtel]] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || Millicom International Cellular
|}
 
===Morocco=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:<tt><nowiki>:''Alternate uses: see [[Number 80]]''</nowiki></tt><br>
The country had 10,725,000 subscribers in total, or a 35.88% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[IAM]] (Itissalat al-Maghrib) [http://www.mobileiam.ma] || [[GSM]] || 7.19 || [[State-owned]] [[Maroc Télécom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Méditel]] [http://www.meditel.ma] || [[GSM]] || 3.54 || [[Telefónica|Telefónica Móviles]] and [[Portugal Telecom]]
|}
 
===Mozambique=== (as of [[May]] [[2005]])
at the beginning of the pages. Number 80 is a redirect to [[eighty]].<br>
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 708,000 subscribers in total, or a 3.73% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[mCel]] || [[GSM]] || 0.77 || Partially [[state-owned]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Vodacom]] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[Telkom]], [[Vodafone]] and [[VenFin]]
|}
 
===Nigeria=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
This would replace notes such as (on [[10]]):
The country had 13,316,597 subscribers in total, or a 10.56% penetration rate.
*For the number 10, see [[ten]]
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
*There are quite a few albums called ''10'', including recordings by [[LL Cool J]] and [[Pearl Jam]]. For a complete list, see [[Ten (album)|Ten]].
|-
or (on [[24]]):
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
:For the number 24, see [[twenty-four]].
|-
:For the television series, see [[24 (television)]].
|align=right| || [[Glo Mobile]] [http://www.gloworld.com] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet '' ||
--User:Docu
|-
|align=right| || [[MTN Nigeria]] [http://www.mtnonline.com] || [[GSM]] || 6.38 || [[MTN]]
|-
|align=right| || [[Mtel]] [http://www.mtelnigeria.com] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[State-owned]] [[Nitel]]
|-
|align=right| || [[Vmobile]] [http://www.vmobile-nigeria.com] || [[GSM]] || ''Not yet'' || [[First Bank of Nigeria]] and [[AKIIPOC]]
|}
 
===Saudi Arabia===
:I added it. -- User:Docu
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 9,175,800 subscribers in total, or a 36.82% penetration rate.
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{|{{prettytable}} width=435
Formatting change: Following the introduction of the TOC feature, recent years (e.g. [[2002]], [[2003]]) use section headers instead of the three ' .. I'd suggest to update the template this way and use section headers for '''Events''' '''Births''' '''Deaths''' '''[[Nobel Prize|Nobel Prizes]]'''. --User:Docu
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Al Jawal]] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[State-owned]] [[Saudi Telecom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Mobily]] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[Etisalat]]
|}
 
===South Africa=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:Fully agree with section headers in years' articles. [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 15:45, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Vodacom-Vodafone]] [http://www.vodacom.co.za] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 14.29 || [[Telkom]], [[Vodafone]] and [[VenFin]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[MTN]] [http://www.mtn.co.za] || [[UMTS]], [[GSM]] || 8.41 || [[Mobile Telephone Networks]]
|-
|align=right| 3 || [[Cell C]] [http://www.cellc.co.za] || [[GSM]] || ''not available yet'' || [[Oger Telecom]]
|}
 
===Sudan===
::Ok then, I added the result to [[Wikipedia:Timeline standards]]. -- User:Docu
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 1,048,600 subscribers in total, or a 3.04% penetration rate.
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{|{{prettytable}} width=435
<from [[Wikipedia talk:Timeline standards]] >
|-
I'm having trouble with Docu here. Will people agree with me that, given that the number articles are, for example, at [[one hundred two]], not [[Number 102]], it makes sense that the links from the year pages to the number pages point to [[one hundred two]] and not to the redirect [[Number 102]]? Also, since any "third" uses of numbers besides the numbers itself and the years are to be listed at the number pages, that there is no point in duplicating those at the year pages, hence we don't need "alternate uses", only the link to the number page? --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 10:58, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Mobitel]] || [[GSM]] || || [[Sudatel]] and [[MSI Cellular Holdings]]
|}
 
===Tunisia=== (as of [[June]] [[2005]])
:I agree with Docu that it looks better to have the number in digits rather than spelt out, would you be happy with something like;
The country had in [[December]] [[2004]] 3,575,700 subscribers in total, or a 37.59% penetration rate.
{|{{prettytable}} width=435
|-
! Rank !! Operator !! technology !! Subscribers<br><small>(in millions)</small> !! Ownership
|-
|align=right| 1 || [[Tuntel]] || [[GSM]] || ''Not available yet'' || [[State-owned]] [[Tunisie Télécom]]
|-
|align=right| 2 || [[Tunisiana]] || [[GSM]] || 1.56 || [[Wataniya Telecom]] and [[Orascom Telecom]]
|}
 
== Sources of information ==
::For the number, see the article on [[one hundred two|the number 102]].
*[http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/statistics/at_glance/cellular04.pdf International Telecommunications Union's cellular statistics]
::-- [[User:Ams80|Ams80]] 11:04, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*[http://www.cellular-news.com/ Cellular News web site]
*[http://www.gsmworld.com GSM Association web site]
*[http://www.cdg.org CDMA Development Group web site]
*[http://www.rtr.at/web.nsf/englisch/Telekommunikation_Markt_Marktinfos_Marktinfos_MarktanteileMobilfunkbetreiber2005?OpenDocument Austrian Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.teleco.com.br Brazilian Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.cwta.ca Canadian Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.sic.gov.co Colombian Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.supertel.gov.ec Ecuadorian Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.ntc.gov.ph/whatsnew-frame.html Filipino Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.arcep.fr French Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.myphone.gr/library/article-16.html Greek Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.tca.or.jp Japanese Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.osiptel.gop.pe Peruvian Mobile Telecoms' data]
*[http://www.mobile-arsenal.com.ua/ Ukrainian mobile operators info]
*[http://www.americamovil.com América Móvil subsidiaries' subscriber numbers]
*[http://www.unefon.com.mx Unefon subscriber numbers]
*[http://www.iusacell.com.mx Iusacell subscriber numbers]
*[http://www.chinamobilehk.com/investor_relations.htm China Mobile subscriber numbers]
*[http://www.t-mobile.net/CDA/about_t-mobile,2,0,,en.html?w=1088&h=733 T-Mobile company data]
*[http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/aboutUs/index.jsp Verizon company data]
*[http://cingular.com/about/company_overview Cingular company data]
*[http://www.telefonicamoviles.com/eng/accionistaseinversores/inversores/hechos_relev/hechos_relev.html# Telefonica company data]
*[http://www.sprint.com/sprint/fastfacts/overview/ Sprint PCS company data]
*[http://www.t-mobile.com/company/about/quickfacts.asp T-Mobile USA company data]
*[http://www.orange.com/English/aboutorange/whereweare.asp?UID=# Orange Statistics]
*[http://www.mmo2.com/media/pr_040721a.asp O2 Data]
*[http://www.vodafone.com/article_wide/0,3041,CATEGORY_ID%253D306%2526LANGUAGE_ID%253D0%2526CONTENT_ID%253D230772,00.html Vodafone company data]
*[http://www.turkcell.com.tr/index/0,1028,69300,00.html Turkcell company data]
*[http://www.telecomitalia.it/cgi-bin/tiportale/TIPortale/ep/contentView.do?channelId=-9794&LANG=EN&contentId=20336&programId=9597&programPage=/ep/TImedia/TISearch.jsp&tabId=3&pageTypeId=-8663&contentType=EDITORIAL TIM company data]
 
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::No, not really. Maybe we can have some more opinions. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 11:25, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
:::Do you have any suggestions for compromise? -- [[User:Ams80|Ams80]] 11:35, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
:I don't mind if wick changes the links from [[Number 102]] to [[one hundred two|Number 102]]. BTW according to some of the notes, changes to the template are being discussed on [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject Years]], until then, we should leave the template as it had been, and not make any unilateral changes. -- User:Docu
 
[[Category:Mobile phone companies| ]]
[[102 (number)]] seems to have the vast majority of votes on [[Talk:List of numbers/Deletion]] [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 
[[zh:最大的移动电话公司]]
</from [[Wikipedia talk:Timeline standards]] >
-----
I suggest changing
:''Alternate uses: see [[Number 80]]''
to
:''For the number, see [[eighty]].''
Direct links are to be preferred. This way the reader sees right away that the number articles are at the spelled out word. The redirect here is a pointless confusion. --[[User:Wik|Wik]] 03:08, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
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Per majority vote, it should be changed to [[80 (number)]] in anticipation of the move to this format. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 03:25, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
:I agree, not much use to change the template to the old format. If a direcly link is perferred, we could just use <nowiki>
:''Alternate uses: see [[80 (number)|Number 80]]''</nowiki> -- User:Docu
 
 
 
== page layout==
 
Just has this page pointed out to me. This template may have been used to set up a large number of the year pages but perhaps 50% of the more recent hundred years or so no longer conform to it (not me I've only talked about it). In particular in many pages the year in topic has been replaced by a "see also" box in the TRH of the page with the same information in it, in many pages the box has been added and just duplicates the paragraph. A few pages have neither. Furthermore the year in topic paragraph has started growing virtually all of the referred page (especially in television) as bullets carried over.
 
For this reason I have proposed on my talk pages and the year talks 1700-2000 that we get everything onto a standard format and suggested we go for the "see also" boxes not the paragraph (to avoid carry over of sub-bullets and reduce page length). I gave a month's notice and have just had this page pointed out to me. So I will not change them yet and ask you to consider (bearing in mind that the status quo described above is already heavily broken by someone else). --[[user talk:BozMo|(talk)]][[User:BozMo|BozMo]] 17:32, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
 
I will also copy over reactions of several other people to this proposal on my talk page here:
 
 
 
I think the page layout for years is inconsistent and a bit messy. The perfect year in my view is 1896 1921 etc. where the year by topic only appears as a box in the top right of the page. Some years instead have year by topic as a paragraph 1801. Some have both. In some cases the paragraph duplicates a lot of info under the link 1945 especially for year-television. Clearly people have gone to a lot of trouble putting these things in as part of organic growth and I do not want to upset people by pruning them out without discussion. So I have marked on some of the year pages (running very slowly today) and referred it here for comments.
--[[User:BozMo|BozMo]]
 
If no one comments in a month I will change the pages I have marked in the way I have proposed and mark a load more pages. But I'll have to find a sensible time of day to do it:
--[[User:BozMo|BozMo]]
 
1850-1950 now all flagged for change --[[User:BozMo|BozMo]] 19:22, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 
:*Looks good in principle. I've been copying snippets from a few selected years for the fledgling Maori Wikipedia. Not standardised yet. I'd be pleased to see more standardisation of the English version before adding many more years to Maori. No hurry! [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 20:26, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 
::Looks good. I think many of the pages already conform to that format. But one thing to keep in mind is we are in the process of removing all "Heads of State" portions and adding links to [[List of state leaders in 1850]] (or whatever year). These state leaders pages are by no means complete yet, but are being worked on, and will continue to be for quite some time, I imagine. -[[User:R. fiend|R. fiend]] 21:21, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 
:--[[User:BozMo|BozMo]] 10:07, 7 May 2004 (UTC)Thanks. Compliance is about 50% currently but post 1950 compliance is zero. I will do the earlier pages first.
 
:::If I remember correctly the extra info in the 1950-onward pages was put there before the separate "Year in" pages were developed. So my personal preference is to move the info to the subpages. However I think it would be good to have a poll on it (post-1950 I mean, I notice 1945 is the same too), but I'm unsure where to put a poll where it would get found by those interested. Anyway I'm definitely willing to help out with the changes. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|&#167;]] 14:02, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, particualrly for the offer to help!
Agree a poll is a good idea. The size of proposed deletion gets much worse once TV gets going, which is why I am being careful as I don't want to upset them. Anyway lets wait a month as promised and them fix pre 1950s which will make sorting the later pages look less personal. --[[User:BozMo|BozMo]] 14:12, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 
Bozmo, there is already a standard for timeline pages. See [[Wikipedia:Timeline standards]] for more information. If you wish to make everything conform to the already agreed upon standard, please do so, otherwise, dont arbitrarily start changing pages to what you would like to see. Submit what you want to change to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Years]], and if there is a consensus, you can start making the changes you want to. Thanks! [[User:Theon|Theon]] 16:55, May 11, 2004 (UTC)