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'''Middle English Lyric''' is a [[genre]] of [[English Literature]], popular in the 14th Century, that is characterized by its brevity and emotional expression. Conventionally, the lyric expresses "a moment," usually spoken or performed in the first person. Although some lyrics have narratives, the plots are usually simple to emphasize an occasional, common experience. Even though Lyrics appear individual and personal, they are not "original;" instead, lyrics express a common state of mind.
=== [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein]] ===
This is an expired RfC page.
It's continued existance is the result of a campaign by a certain group of users to harass me - see the RfC they have brought against me to see the pettyness of their complaints. [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 22:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
== Audience ==
*'''delete''' [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 22:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Middle English Lyrics were meant to be heard, not read. Keeping in mind an [[aural]] [[audience]], the lyric is usually structured with an obvious rhyme scheme, [[refrain]], and sometimes musical effects. The rhyme scheme primarily functions as a [[mnemonic device]] for the audience. The Refrain, however, has several critical functions. The Refrain gives the lyric unity and provides commentary (this is not unlike the bob and wheel found in ''[[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight]]''). In addition to functioning thematically, the refrain encourages audience to participate in singing the lyric. Finally, Musical Effects also encourage audience participation, and they take the form of rhythms and sounds (for example, [[onomatopoeia]] is not an uncommon [[trope]] employed).
*Wiping the records of such tawdry events doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Let's '''keep''' them for reference in case of future problems. [[User:GeorgeStepanek|[[User:GeorgeStepanek|GeorgeStepanek]]\<sup><font color="gray">[[User_talk:GeorgeStepanek|talk]]</font></sup> ]] 02:03, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' as evidence - [[User:Rernst|rernst]] 02:07, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* '''Keep'''. --[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] 03:33, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* '''Keep'''. Why would we erase this? This VfD does not belong here. —[[User:Radman1|[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']])]] 04:44, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* <s>'''Keep'''. It's normal to keep such pages. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway#Page_Footer|Talk]]]] 11:35, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)</s> Revision: I think it '''should''' be policy that such pages are kept. However the RfC page explicitly says: "If the listing is not certified within 48 hours of listing, it will be deleted." Accordingly I think this should be honored and the pages should be deleted. The policy should be changed, not capriciously because it suits some of us to record what we consider to be abuse of process, but after proper discussion. If process applies to Cheesedreams, it should apply equally to us. '''STRONG DELETE''' --[[User:Tony Sidaway|[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway#Page_Footer|Talk]]]] 12:01, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* '''Keep.''' This page has been introduced as evidence in an arbitration case against CheeseDreams. Deleting it would only deprive the community an opportunity to examine the evidence -- all arbitrators who are admins would still be able to view it. In the interests of honesty and openness, it must be preserved. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 21:09, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
*'''STRONG KEEP'''. It would be inappropriate to remove historical data like this. I will start keeping copies of such things on subpages of my user page and my personal wiki if these ever start being deleted. --[[User:Improv|Improv]] 22:24, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as evidence. [[User:Andrevan|<b><font color="mediumblue">Andre</font></b>]] ([[User_talk:Andrevan|<font color=royalblue>talk</font>]])[[A| ]] 23:00, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
*<strike>'''STRONG KEEP'''. -- 01:46, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)</strike>
**Please sign your votes if you want them to count. --[[User:Improv|Improv]] 03:12, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 03:08, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
== Authorship ==
* '''Comment''': I notice that one of our RFCs got removed for Quadell. If you want it I can give you the link as I undeleted it and moved to my own pages as a subpage. I'm considering restoring it to the right ___location. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 03:08, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Most Middle English Lyrics are anonymous. Because the lyrics reflect on a sort of "community property" of ideas, the concept of copyrighting a lyric to a particular author is usually inappropriate. Additionally, identifying authors is very difficult. Most lyrics are often un-dateable, and they appear in collections with no apparent organic unity. It is most likely many lyrics that survive today were widely recited in various forms before being written down. Evidence for this appears in [[Geoffrey Chaucer]]'s ''[[The Canterbury Tales]]''. Many of Chaucer's lines bear an uncanny resemblance to Middle English Lyrics.
**Please do. --[[User:Improv|Improv]] 03:12, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep''' - Wikipedia decision making and related pages should never be deleted. I would also support removing the listings of other "Requests for comment" from VfD -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 03:34, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
== Survival ==
*'''Keep,''' for heaven's sake. I suggest de-listing these from VfD. [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus]] 03:48, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Middle English Lyrics were not meant to be read or written down. Consequently, the few that survive are probably a very small sample of lyrics. Surviving Lyrics appear in [[Miscellanies]], notably the Harley 2253 manuscript. The lyrics often appear with many other types of works, including writings in other languages.
*'''Keep''', this is a helpful piece of evidence for the Arbitration Committee's case on CheeseDreams as it documents his/her abuse of RFC system. [[User:GeneralPatton|GeneralPatton]] 03:52, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', possibly archive. - [[User:Evil saltine|Evil saltine]] 05:38, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
== External Links ==
*'''Keep''' (strong), as evidence, in some ways like the recent [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Talk:Ambition (card game)]]. (But don't short-circuit this VfD just bcz it should not have been started. This VfD seems to be an attempt to abuse the process in order to hide evidence, and such cases may deserve some ''standing policies'' for cutting VfD short. But i strongly support our going through the charade of voting down the VfD down within the normal rules, since no one has cited such a standing policy.) --[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]][[User talk:Jerzy|(t)]] 05:47, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)
[http://www.luminarium.org/medlit/lyrics.htm Middle English Lyrics]
*'''K'''eep as evidence of CheeseDreams' warmongering. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]] | [[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 08:15, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete''' This should really be a speedy delete, not a VfD. The RfC rules make it crystal clear that uncertified complaints are deleted after 48 hours. That's an important part of the whole process: users can try it to see if they have any support for their dispute without fearing that raising the issue will be held against them. It is disingenuous to ignore the promise of how that page will be used. It's even worse that the users who wish to keep the page wish to do so to try to demonstrate that CheeseDreams has abused the process. It is they who are abusing the process. I am no fan of CheeseDreams, but keeping this page is just not fair on her. [[User:Jongarrettuk|jguk]] 20:21, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
== Bibliography ==
*<s>'''Question''' - There is a clear conflict here between the explicit policy to delete, and the apparent (near) concensus to keep. I'm not familiar with the case, so please forgive my ignorance when I ask the obvious: "what is the value in keeping this despite the standard?" -- [[User:ClockworkSoul|Clockwork]][[User talk:ClockworkSoul|'''Soul''']] 21:56, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)</s>
Luria, Maxwell S. and Richard L. Hoffman. ''Middle English Lyrics.'' New York: Norton, 1974.<br>
** Nevermind - I made myself somewhat familiar with the case. On one hand, we have policy that specifies that such RfCs be deleted. On the other, there is some cause to keep these records (at the very minimum, as evidence in another case). Whatever your/our feelings about ''any'' user, whatever that user has done, it is wrong to ignore the policies that are in place so that we can maintain some level of order. Surely, nobody here would want any policies selectively applied to them? That being said: '''I propose that we temporarily delist these items from VfD, and open a vote to amend the current policy so that ''all'' such RfC's are archived regardless of their outcome.''' -- [[User:ClockworkSoul|Clockwork]][[User talk:ClockworkSoul|'''Soul''']] 22:14, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
<nowiki>(Large Selection of Lyrics with Selected Criticism)</nowiki>
*Good point about policy. I volunteer to tak all of these RfCs into my user namespace. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] [[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|<font color="purple">Luke</font>]] 00:24, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. IMO VfD is not the place for this discussion, but best now to just let this vote proceed and (hopefully) fail. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 16:23, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Brown, Carleton Fairchild. ''English Lyrics of the XIIIth Century.'' Ed. Carleton Brown. Oxford: The Clarendon press, [1965, c1932].
*'''Keep'''. This really should be archived and the 48-hour rule re Rfc pages should be revised. It is too important even if for no other reason than to show how things can get out of hand. [[User:Dieter Simon|Dieter Simon]] 19:52, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Gray, Douglas. ''Themes and Images in the Medieval English Religious Lyric.'' London, Boston: Routledge and K. Paul, 1972.
Manning, Stephen. ''Wisdom and Number; Toward a Critical Appraisal of the Middle English Religious Lyric.'' Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1962.
Reiss, Edmund. ''The Art of the Middle English Lyric; Essays in Criticism.'' Athens: University of Georgia Press, 1972.
Speirs, John. ''Medieval English Poetry: the Non-Chaucerian Tradition.'' London: Faber and Faber, 1957.
Oliver, Raymond. ''Poems without Names; the English Lyric, 1200-1500.'' Berkeley: University of California Press, 1970.
Woolf, Rosemary. ''The English Religious Lyric in the Middle Ages.'' Oxford: Clarendon P., 1968.
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