'''''The Musical Offering''''' (German title '''''Musikalisches Opfer''''' or '''''Das Musikalische Opfer'''''), [[BWV]] 1079, is a collection of [[canon (music)|canon]]s and [[fugues]] and other pieces of [[music]] by [[Johann Sebastian Bach]], based on a musical theme by [[Frederick II of Prussia]] (Frederick the Great) and dedicated to him.
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==The music==
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===The theme from the king===
The collection has its roots in a meeting between Bach and Frederick II on [[May 7]], [[1747]]. The meeting, taking place in the king's residence in [[Potsdam]], resulted from Bach's son [[Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach|Carl Philipp Emanuel]] being employed there as court musician. Frederick wanted to show a novelty to Bach: the [[pianoforte]] had been invented a few years earlier, and the king owned such experimental instrument, allegedly the first Bach ever saw. Bach, who was well known for his skill at [[improvising]], was given the following theme by Frederick to improvise a fugue upon:
[[Image:Musical offering.png|frame|none|The ''Thema Regium'' ("theme from the king")]]
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According to the press of the day, Bach succeeded pretty well in producing an instant fugue, although he must have confided afterwards he felt not very much at ease playing the new type of instrument.
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Two months after the meeting, Bach published a set of pieces based on this theme which we now know as ''The Musical Offering''. Bach inscribed the piece "Regis Iussu Cantio Et Reliqua Canonica Arte Resoluta" (the theme given by the king, with additions, resolved in the canonic style), the first letters of which spells out the word ''[[ricercar]]'' (an old name for a fugue).
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===Structure, instrumentation===
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In its finished form, ''The Musical Offering'' comprises:
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*Two ricercars, written down on as many [[Musical staff|stave]]s as there are voices:
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** a ricercar a 6 (a six voice fugue)
** a ricercar a 3 (a three voice fugue)
*Ten [[canon (music)|canon]]s
*A four-movement [[trio sonata]] featuring the [[flute]], an instrument which Frederick played.
Apart from the trio sonata, which is written for flute, [[violin]] and [[basso continuo]], the pieces have few indications of which instruments are meant to play them.
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The ricercars and canons have been realised in various ways: The ricercars are frequently performed on keyboard instruments, an ensemble of [[chamber music]]ians with alternating instrument groups, comparable to the instrumentation of the trio sonata, often playing the canons. But also recordings on one or more keyboard instruments (piano, harpsichord) exist, as well as with a more ample orchestra-like instrumentation.
==Archives==
[[/0504-28]]
As the printed version gives the impression to be organised for (reduction of) page turning when sight-playing the score, the order of the pieces intended by Bach (''if'' there was an intended order), remains uncertain.
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===Musical riddles===
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Some of the canons of the Musical Offering are represented in the original score by not more than a short monodic melody of a few measures, with a more or less enigmatic inscription in [[Latin]] above the melody. These compositions are called the '''''riddle fugues''''' (or sometimes, more appropriately, the ''riddle canons''). The performer(s) is/are supposed to interpret the music as a multi-part piece (a piece with several intertwining melodies), while solving the "riddle". Some of these riddles have been explained to have more than one possible "solution", although nowadays most printed editions of the score give a single, more or less "standard" solution of the riddle, so that interpreters can just play, without having to worry about the Latin, or the riddle.
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One of these ''riddle canons'', "in augmentationem" (i.e. the length of the notes gets longer), is inscribed "Notulis crescentibus crescat Fortuna Regis" (may the fortunes of the king increase like the length of the notes), while a [[Modulation (music)|modulating]] canon which ends a tone higher than it starts is inscribed "Ascendenteque Modulationis ascendat Gloria Regis" (may the king's glory rise like the ascending modulation).
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==Reception==
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Little is known about how Frederick would have received the score dedicated to him, and whether he tried to solve any riddle or played the flute part of the trio sonata. Frederick's musical taste supposedly did not very much cherish ''complicated'' music, and soon after Bach's visit he was on his next war campaign, so it is possible it was not well received.
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==20th century adaptations and citations==
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===Arrangements===
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The "Ricercar a 6" has been arranged on its own on a number of occasions, the most prominent arranger being [[Anton Webern]], who in [[1935]] made a version for small [[orchestra]], noted for its [[Klangfarbenmelodie]] style (i.e. melody lines are passed on from one instrument to another after every few notes, every note receiving the "tone color" of the instrument it is played on):
[[Image:Webern's Ricercar arrangement opening.PNG|550px|The opening of Webern's arrangement of "Ricercar a 6"]]
== Sellafield leak ==
It should be noted on the news template that the leak was contained within the facility and it poses no danger. Just saying that a large amount of material has been leaked makes Wikipedia seem more like tabloid style scaremongering :P [[User:Darksun|Darksun]] 11:13, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
==[[Oxyrhynchus]]=As reference===
''The Musical Offering'' is cited and deliberately interpreted by [[Douglas Hofstadter]] in his famous book ''[[Gödel, Escher, Bach]]''.
Ok, ed_g2s, complain here instead of reverting. --[[User:Brian0918|<font color="#000000">brian0918</font>]][[User talk:Brian0918|<font color="#000000">™</font>]] 13:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
==See also==
== "reign name" should be "regnal name" ==
* [[Johann Sebastian Bach]]
* [[List of compositions of Johann Sebastian Bach]]
* [[Bach compositions printed during the composer's lifetime]]
* [[Perpetuum mobile]]
* [[Canon_%28music%29]]
* [[Fugue]]
== External links ==
Please fix this. --[[User:Jpbrenna|Jpbrenna]] 04:57, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
* [http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~tas3/musoffcanons.html Canons of the Musical Offering]
: Done. -- [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 08:39, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
* The [[Mutopia Project]] has some of the music of [http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/make-table.cgi?preview=1&searchingfor=1079&Composer=BachJS&Instrument=&Style=&timelength=1&timeunit=week&lilyversion= The Musical Offering]
[[Category:Compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach]]
::That is wrong and should be changed back.''Regnal'' name will not be understood by 95% of wikipedia readers. ''Reign'' name is self explanatory and equally correct. ''Reign name'' is also used in many eastern monarchies where ''regnal'' name never is. There is no justification for using an obscure version of a word only used in western monarchies which most people won't understand when one can use a word with a clearer meaning, that is just as correct, but which will be understood the world over. (And which is used all over wikipedia.) Please undo this mistake. [[User:Jtdirl|<font color="green">'''Fear'''<font color="orange">'''''ÉIREANN''''']] 20:19, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[[fi:Musikalisches Opfer]]
::: Please add this to the [[Regnal name]] page, Fear''ÉIREANN'', so that the 95% of us ignorant people can learn more after CLICKing on the unfamiliar word shown on the Front Page. Thanks. By the way, as reign name and regnal name are the same thing, like lifts and elevators, pants and trousers ... different people using different words for the same things, it's not a mistake.
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==Ecuador president removed==
[[ja:音楽の捧げもの]]
Ecuador president removed from power: SEE [[Template:In the news/Candidate]] FOR THE BLURB TO PUT ON THE TEMPLATE. —[[User:Cantus|Cantus]]…[[User talk:Cantus|<big><big>'''☎'''</big></big>]] 19:08, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
:The [[Prime Minister of Italy]], [[Silvio Berlusconi]], has resigned, too !
== The 1.35 Billion Dollar Man! ==
[[Medtronic]], Inc. paid [[US$]] 1.35 billion to settle a [[patent]] [[lawsuit]] and also to acquire disputed spine surgery-related patents from [[surgeon]] turned [[inventor]] [[Gary K. Michelson]]. [http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/23/business/23medronic.html]
It's nice to be an inventor! -- [[User:Toytoy|Toytoy]] 17:25, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
== CIA ==
[[CIA]] releases [[classified]] [[Vietnam War]] docs
[[Estimative Products on Vietnam: 1948-1975]] Should require some research.[http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050429/pl_afp/usvietnamcia] -[[User:Stevertigo|SV]]|[[User_talk:Stevertigo|t]] 21:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
==Blank space==
There's a huge blank space at the bottom of DYK that could be filled with deleted news from ITN. —[[User:Cantus|Cantus]]…[[User talk:Cantus|<big><big>'''☎'''</big></big>]] 02:01, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
== removal of updates in a featured news item ==
I removed the item on [[Victory in Europe Day|V-E Day]] commemorations from ITN because the updates have been removed from the wikipage. Instead, there is a link to Wikinews. I don't think an external link is good enough as an update for any page to be featured on ITN. But, do we have a policy on keeping the updated information on the wikipage when the wikipage is being featured on the MainPage ? -- [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 15:17, 2005 May 9 (UTC)
== Rephrase an entry? ==
I know it's picky, but the phrasing of...
:''John Conyers and 88 members of U.S. Congress write an open letter to George W. Bush about the new documents leaked which apparently reveals the secret agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom to attack Iraq in 2002.''
gives the impression that the documents appear to reveal a secret agreement which was already known to exist, and it's a little clumsy. It might work better as:
:''John Conyers and 88 other members of the U.S. Congress write an open letter to George W. Bush about newly leaked documents which apparently reveal a secret agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom to attack Iraq in 2002.''
I hope that makes sense to anyone who's not me... [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] 02:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
== Content ==
Can we try and keep "In the news" front page news, not stories which you are personally attached to, or have an interest in. Check major English language outlets (BBC News, CNN, Google news etc.) before listing stories. [[User:Ed g2s|<font face="verdana">ed g2s</font>]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|<font face="verdana">talk</font>]] 18:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
:Is there a specific entry that caused this gripe? The M3 road? Or something else? [unsigned]
:He wants to keep the page biased towards American and British news stories. Yet more Anglo-American dominance. Today for example, there are stories about NASA (US), Sellafield (UK) and Congress (US). What he means is ''how dare a story not known about in the UK and the US be put on the front page!'' <font color="#006666">'''Fear'''<font color="#FF6600">'''''ÉIREANN'''''[[Image:Ireland flag large.png|25px]]\<font color=blue><sup>[[user_talk:Jtdirl|(talk)]]</sup><font color=black> 19:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
:::This is nothing to do with Anglo-American dominance, in fact I can't think of many US/UK stories that are front-page worthy at the moment. I also do not appreciate the agressive tone of your post, you do seem to be having a problem with [[Wikipedia:Civility|being civil]]. Talk pages are for discussing issues, not personalities. [[User:Ed g2s|<font face="verdana">ed g2s</font>]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|<font face="verdana">talk</font>]] 02:24, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
::I agree that we should look for stories from beyond the US and UK, but there's also a need to keep the section changing, preferably with at least one new story each day. I added the Sellafield story thinking more "science" than "UK" as the topic. Sellafield was front page of the NZ Herald the day after I added it.-[[User:Gadfium|gadfium]] 00:37, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Hmmmm. "Anglo-American dominance"? Why is it that the inclusion of the US [[Super Bowl XXXIX|Super Bowl]] listing on this page causes [[Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates/Archive_1#February_7|debate and discussion]], while the [[UEFA Cup]] listing has been here for two days without drawing any comments? Does the UEFA Cup really get more worldwide media coverage than the Super Bowl? - [[User:Jpo|Jpo]] 21:56, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
::Because it's a slow news day. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 22:27, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
== N3 road/M3 motorway ==
Note that according to the linked article [[N3 road]], it is the ''M3 motorway'' that's planned to run by the Hill of Tara. So the proper link is <nowiki>[[N3 road|M3 motorway]]</nowiki>--the "M3" is not a mistake. [[User:Demi|Demi]] <sup>[[User_talk:Demi|T]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Demi|C]]</sub> 05:34, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
== Encyclopedic? ==
I am sorry that I have to do this, but I can't be the only that sees this discrepancy... that is, why has [[N3 road]] been on the FRONT PAGE for so long [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&direction=next&oldid=13565798]. Is this really THE story we pride ourselves as encyclopedic? Is this an even we need to run around and update our history books... I know we're different, but is Britannica sweating that their not covering the M3? Why aren't we talking about [[May 2005 unrest in Uzbekistan|'''unrest in Uzbekistan''']], that's a history changer, or the [[Beatification]] of Pope John Paul II, or even [[Malcolm Glazer]] and the [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]] event -- it'll be huge if this team becomes 'American owned'. Either way, we need to '''update our stories''' each day (or 30hrs), All Current Event articles should have a fair share on the homepage time split. Hope you understand, lets work together ~ [[User:RoboAction|RoboAction]] 00:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
:The proper place to make these recomendations is [[Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|'''B'''roken]][[User talk:BrokenSegue|'''S'''egue]] 02:09, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
==BRAC==
The Ellsworth and Hanscom Air Bases are no more inherently valuable than any of the other installations in the BRAC round (they're all on the chopping block, after all). The BRAC round also includes scores of smaller emplacements. --[[User:Alexwcovington|Alexwcovington]] ([[User talk:Alexwcovington|talk]]) 00:10, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, but most people will focus on the major installations. More important is that the entry is in error. Hanscom is not closing. Major installations people are focusing on: Ellsworth AFB, Fort Monmouth, and Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. --[[User:Penta|Penta]] 00:23, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
== Guantánamo Bay Qur'an desecration allegations ==
* [[Guantánamo Bay Qur'an desecration allegations]]
We shall run this article. -- [[User:Toytoy|Toytoy]] 02:58, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
==House of Commons image==
[[Image:Parliament2.jpg|right|100px|Canadian House of Commons]]
Instead of having the Canadian flag here, which seems a bit generic and non-descriptive, how about using [[:Image:Parliament2.jpg|Image:Parliament2.jpg]]? – [[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]], [http://mxn.f2o.org/index.html blog])</small> 02:26, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
: I hope you don't feel ignored, [[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]]. Just wanna mentioned that your suggested photo was the original image used. It was taken out after being on the MainPage all night. The flag was not expected to stay there for so long ..... -- [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 20:29, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
==Eurovision song contest?==
I do not consider the Eurovision song contest news of international importance. Same for Super Bowl, Academy Awards, American Idol, etc. Being a North American, what is the Eurovision song contest? This does not need to be on the front page. I think this should be replaced with more important news. [[User:Andrew pmk|Andrew pmk]] 01:16, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
:It's a ''really'' slow news day. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 02:05, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
::We could put up a picture of Saddam in his undies instead. But in all seriousness, how is this more important than [[American Idol]]? --<font size="2" face="garamond" color="#3979BF">[[user:tomf688|tomf688]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Tomf688|talk]])</sup> 02:29, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
:::As I understand it, much of its newsworthiness has to do with its not being American. I don't doubt that a news item on the winner of American Idol would cause an eruption of Righteous Rage and be swiftly removed. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 03:09, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
:It's definetly notable. It's important to all of Europe. Some countries go to the point of idiocy over it. The Super Bowl is American only, American Idol is national, and the Academy Awards doesn't have a certain major award. [[User:Hedley|Hedley]] 13:44, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
::"News of international importance" is very subjective. If we just limit ourselves to international politics, government, law and natural disasters it is very bland news indeed. Considering most news items don't stay on the Main Page for long, I'm weakly in favour of allowing news items like Eurovision on the Main Page, so long as it can be bumped off if any more significant news comes along. - [[User:Mark|Mark]] 14:00, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
:::To be fair I find it more interesting than the rain in Honduras. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 14:09, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
::::Yes, but it's not more important than the rain. If we leave it up, the next time we want post some trivial American event let the Europeans remember this. [[User:BrokenSegue|'''B'''roken]][[User talk:BrokenSegue|'''S'''egue]] 14:17, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::It's not a trivial event considering that there are ~50 countries involved and it's a first-time winner for Greece. I'm not saying that I totally agree on it being there but it'll do for now. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 14:22, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
::::::Its a song contest. --<font size="2" face="garamond" color="#3979BF">[[user:tomf688|tomf688]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Tomf688|talk]])</sup> 14:59, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
:::::::: This song contest is an international cultural event with a high profile and a long history. -- [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 06:21, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
:::::::There is a weather event on there at the moment. And the Olympics are a sports event, but I'd expect to see the overall winner appear on there. I have no problem with it being taken down if there are decent stories to replace it (and would like to see that happen), but for now there isn't anything worthy of going up there. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 15:06, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::It's not a trivial event when 39 countries actively participate in something, and many more watch. That's why it counts as "news of international importance", to some degree on a quiet news day, rather than one-country only sports events like the Super Bowl. Otherwise we could have put the [[FA Cup]] final up today... -- [[User:Arwel Parry|Arwel ]] 15:56, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
:::::: The FA Cup, widely reported in newspapers around the world, is now posted on ITN. -- [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 05:51, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
Nobody cares about Eurovision outside Europe. We should instead have items on [[Afghanistan]], [[North Korea]] and [[Iraq]]. It's not a slow news day. --[[User:Hemanshu|Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu ]] 16:06, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
:Care to elaborate? What happened in Afghanistan, Korea and Iraq in the last 2 days that's worthy of ITN, apart from perhaps the fertilizer shipment from South to North Korea? Don't forget that ITN requires an article update to companion the entry. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 22:34, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
Instead of complaining, the best way to deal with this is to update an article with news materials, update [[Current events]] and post it on ITN (or the Candidate page for non-Admins) to displace an old item, and eventually the item you don't think deserve to be there. A line on the young Chilean soldiers frozen to death would be appropriate, but I don't know what page should get the update. The last United Nations peacekeepers leaving East Timor would be good, too, but [[United Nations Mission of Support to East Timor]] is a red link. [[Etoumbi]] is too stubby to feature for the Ebola outbreak there. Any new developments regarding land reform in Brazil after the 17-day march of the Landless Workers' Movement ? Too old ? ... I give up. ... Perhaps the local elections in [[North Rhine-Westphalia]], which prompted the German national elections to take place a year early, should be considered. Could someone familiar with politics in Germany take a look at this, please ? -- [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 06:21, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
: We now have 2 new items on ITN. Yeah ! -- [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 08:08, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
The eurovision song contest was a nice piece of interesting news. The viewing figures for the final were nearly 80 million and this excludes Australians (which, btw [[User:Golbez|Golbez]], is outside of Europe) who watched it 12 hours later. If you have never heard of the contest [[User:Andrew pmk|Andrew pmk]], then you should have clicked on the link and read about it. What's the point in having an encyclopaedia if you're uninteresting in things you don't already know about? [[User:Dmn|Dmn]] '''/''' [[User talk:Dmn|Դմն]] 09:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
== European hegemony ==
THREE items on ITN are about Europe. Clearly, there is an anti-American bias at work. *snigger* --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 14:02, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
:Has the Newsweek scandal been on ITN yet? That's certainly international, and more interesting than a song contest. ;) --<font size="2" face="garamond" color="#3979BF">[[user:tomf688|tomf688]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Tomf688|talk]])</sup> 14:24, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, great, three European items and then an anti-American item. Truly, the anti-US bias on ITN is mindboggling! --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 15:46, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
::: European hegemony ? Mongolia is rather far away from Europe, eh ! ^_^ .... Last week's Newsweek scandal was suggested at the Candidates' page. At the time, I declined to post it on the MainPage while the [[Guantánamo Bay Qur'an desecration allegations]] page carries a <nowiki>{{cleanup}}</nowiki> tag. If I had known that the tag was removed soon after, I would have waited and posted it on ITN. Now, it's old news..... The last few departed items were about Canada, Central America and Angola. It must be very peaceful / boring in the US of A these days ..... -- [[User:PFHLai|PFHLai]] 20:17, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
== "Soccer" ==
Do we have to call it soccer? I say this because very few people in Liverpool would call it "soccer". It is football. [[User:Smoddy|Smoddy]] [[User talk:Smoddy|(Rabbit and pork)]] 08:38, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
:I think since we're talking about UK/Euro football, it's reasonable to change it. Done. [[User:Markalexander100|Mark]][[User talk:Markalexander100|<sup>1</sup>]] 09:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
:: I like your edit summary, [[User:Markalexander100|Mark]]. ;-) -- [[User:64.229.206.213|64.229.206.213]] 14:42, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
==Someone please add this==
* A coalition of citizen groups will ask [[Congress]] to file a formal "'''Resolution of Inquiry'''", the first necessary legal step to determine whether [[George W. Bush|U.S. President Bush]] has committed impeachable offenses. The request, written by Boston constitutional attorney [[John C. Bonifaz]], cites the [[Downing Street memo]] and issues surrounding the planning and execution of the [[2003 invasion of Iraq|Iraq war]].
[[User:Kevin_baas|Kevin Baas]]<sup>[[User_talk:Kevin_baas|talk]]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevin_baas&action=edit§ion=new new]</sup> 22:25, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
:People ask Congress to do stuff all the time. Ask again if Congress actually does something about the request. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|✎]] 02:39, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
: (via edit conflict) Is this newsworthy? Which prominent American or world publications have covered it? Also, which Wikipedia article has been updated with the news? (Further guidelines are at [[Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page]]; also, submissions are normally made at [[Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates]].) {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 02:41, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. Wikipedia articles that have been updated:
# [[Tony Blair]]
# [[War on terrorism]]
# [[Iraq disarmament crisis]]
# [[American government position on invasion of Iraq]]
# [[Governments' pre-war positions on invasion of Iraq]]
# [[Coalition of the willing]]
# [[2003 invasion of Iraq]]
# [[John Conyers]]
# [[Paul Craig Roberts]]
# [[George W. Bush]]
# [[Current events]] (ofcourse)
The news is very recent and so far has only been picked up by 4 news sources.
[[User:Kevin_baas|Kevin Baas]]<sup>[[User_talk:Kevin_baas|talk]]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kevin_baas&action=edit§ion=new new]</sup> 03:01, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
: How about mentioning this news item on the page of the author of the written request ? [[John C. Bonifaz]] is no longer a red link. -- [[User:199.71.174.100|199.71.174.100]] 20:42, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
== Attn: Sysops ---- Please update [[Template:In the news]]. ==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates&diff=14369384&oldid=14358547 This edit summary] at [[Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates]] is disconcerting .... -- [[User:199.71.174.100|199.71.174.100]] 05:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
==62%==
Update Dutch referendum to 62%. —[[User:Cantus|Cantus]]…[[User talk:Cantus|<big><big>'''☎'''</big></big>]] 03:09, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
==Proxmire==
IMHO [[William Proxmire]]'s death is notable enough to belong in in the news. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Recent_deaths&diff=0&oldid=14612962] [[User:JohnKenney|John Kenney]] 00:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:IMHO he's not. I'd think that only major presidents and politicians and such would count; a three-term Wisconsin senator doesn't seem to cut it. For example, I don't think I'd even support mentioning ol' [[Jesse Helms]] on here. Strom Thurmond, maybe. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 03:41, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
==[[Srebrenica Massacre]]==
I think perhaps there should be some mention of the recent controversy related to the Srebrenica Massacre. For those of you who don't know, a video showing the execution of 6 civilians from Srebrenica in 1995 by a unit under the command of the Serbian govt was revealed during Hague testimony and has since been shown throughout the balkans. [[User:Asim Led|Asim Led]] 05:13, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:They couldn't give a shit about anything unless it's american, so don't bother. No there is a spelling bee on there in place of important news about Srebrenica
::In fact it's possible this story has not even been mentioned on some american tv news, so we can't really blame Wikipedia for not knowing about it, but they should make an effort, maybe check international news websites sometimes
:::If you want it on here, mention it on the Candidates page. The chap who wanted the spelling bee item did, and look where it got him! Buck up, chaps. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 20:19, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
::::Can someone tell me what the controversy is actually about? Are people disputing the accuracy of the videotapes? Or do they think it is inappropiate? --[[User:Fangz|Fangz]] 15:58, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
==Walter Mondale==
See [[recent deaths]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Walter_Mondale&diff=0&oldid=14714661]. The death of a former vice president definately belongs in the in the news box. [[User:JohnKenney|John Kenney]] 23:37, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry but I've got to disagree with that one. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 23:44, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::You are aware that he was the Democratic nominee for president in 1984 against Ronald Reagan, right? Not including his death in "in the news" would make as little sense as not including the story, if (say) Al Gore died. [[User:JohnKenney|John Kenney]] 23:47, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:::This probably should go on the front page. However, I can't find anywhere confirming his death. If I see it, I'll add it. [[User:Dmn|Dmn]] '''/''' [[User talk:Dmn|Դմն]] 23:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::::"Walter Mondale dies" and "Walter Mondale died" get a total of three google hits, none of which actually state that he did recently. One says 'I'd like to be there when Mondale dies' (paraphrased), one refers to the death of Mondale's brother, and one states 'raise your hand if you thought Walter Mondale died ten years ago'. [[User:Ingoolemo|<font color=blue>→Iñgōlemo←</font>]] [[User_talk:Ingoolemo|<font color=blue><sup>talk</font></sup>]] 00:03, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
::::The user who recommended this addition is not [[User:John Kenney]], but [[User:JohnKenney]], an impersonator (check his contributions). [[User:Ingoolemo|<font color=blue>→Iñgōlemo←</font>]] [[User_talk:Ingoolemo|<font color=blue><sup>talk</font></sup>]] 00:04, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
:::::Did this user 'fake the death' of someone called [[William Proxmire]] earlier? [[User:Dmn|Dmn]] '''/''' [[User talk:Dmn|Դմն]] 00:11, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, this appears to be a hoax. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 00:12, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
::I've blocked [[User:JohnKenney]]. [[User:Dmn|Dmn]] '''/''' [[User talk:Dmn|Դմն]] 00:16, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Interestingly, an IP from Cambridge University vandalized my userpage with a redirect to yours shortly thereafter. We seem to get a lot of hoaxes from the people at Cambridge. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 00:24, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
== Gitmo Qu'ran desecration (June 4) ==
IMHO, the link to "The Pentagon" should be piped to "United States Department of Defense", like this:
*<nowiki>[[United States Department of Defense|The Pentagon]]</nowiki>
Reason: The article at "The Pentagon" is about the building. The phrase "The Pentagon" is commonly used as a metonym for the USDOD, much like "The White House" is commonly used to refer to the (U.S.) Presidency. The Pentagon (the building) obviously can't confirm or deny anything, but USDOD certainly can. I'm an admin, so I could do it myself, but I want to see what others think of this idea. [[User:Dale Arnett|Dale Arnett]] 05:40, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
: Agreed. Maybe we shall start to use USDOD instead of The Pentagon the next time we talk about the Department. It shall become an official policy because we are writing for all readers, not just U.S. readers or native English speakers. By the way, the page is now renamed to [[Desecration of the Qur'an at Guantánamo Bay]]. -- [[User:Toytoy|My true identity: The Depth-Challenged Throat]] 11:02, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
::It's normally called "the Pentagon" even by people outside the US. (Besides, "the US Department of Defense" is too long and no one outside the US would know what "USDOD" or "US DOD" meant.) [[User:Proteus|Proteus]] [[User_talk:Proteus|(Talk)]] 11:52, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::: If length is not an issue, <nowiki>[[United States Department of Defense|Department of Defense]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[United States Department of Defense|Dept of Defense]]</nowiki> will be more explicit. -- [[User:Toytoy|My true identity: The Depth-Challenged Throat]] 18:07, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
::::I don't think we need to be more explicit than to say <nowiki>[[United States Department of Defense|The Pentagon]]</nowiki>. I think that is sufficiently clear and concise to everyone, not just Americans. That is certainly how it is referred to in the UK. [[User:smoddy|smoddy]] 19:16, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
When we talk about the daily "sodium intake", we do not mean to take a bite of sodium the metal. It always means sodium chloride. However, I think the separation of the USDOD and its main building is a good practice. It pays to be precise. At least to me, I cannot be sure if 1000 mg of "sodium" means 1000 mg of Na<sup>+</sup> ion or 1000 mg of NaCl. (You may intake sodium ion from other sources such as [[monosodium glutamate|MSG]].) -- [[User:Toytoy|My true identity: The Depth-Challenged Throat]] 20:11, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
==Look at candidates==
Can you people take a look at [[Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates]] and update at least the tennis item?? Protecting this template was a really lousy idea. —[[User:Cantus|Cantus]]…[[User talk:Cantus|<big><big>'''☎'''</big></big>]] 18:31, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
:I've seen the suggestions and I dislike both, but I'll update the tennis. [[User:Dmn|Dmn]] '''/''' [[User talk:Dmn|Դմն]] 18:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks for that comment. Now I'm going to ask Jimbo to unprotect this page. This is too much. —[[User:Cantus|Cantus]]…[[User talk:Cantus|<big><big>'''☎'''</big></big>]] 21:19, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
:::Yeah, goatse is always preferable to stale news. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 22:10, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
This template is way too large for the Main Page. Some items need to be purged. —[[User:Cantus|Cantus]]…[[User talk:Cantus|<big><big>'''☎'''</big></big>]] 21:15, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
== Wrong info on Hungarian Presidential elections ==
Wikipedia headlines say that [[László Sólyom]] is the leader of the opposition. This is not true however, he was only the ''candidate'' of the opposition, as he is not a member of any party. Hope you'll correct it. --[[User:Sicboy|Sicboy]] 23:34, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)
Also, if he's the guy pictured, shouldn't the entry say (pictured at right)? [[User:Bloodshedder|Bloodshedder]] 20:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
==Demonstrations wording in Ethiopian item==
The item about the killings in Ethiopia says "..killed at demonstrations in Addis Ababa between police and students..." This would be better worded as: "...killed ''in'' clashes between the police and students following demonstrations in Addis Ababa..." Currently it makes it sound like the police were also demonstrating somehow, which I'd guess they weren't... — [[User:Pmcm|pmcm]] 17:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Changed it, but the wording is quite tricky when you try to reconcile the government account. Their version is that the protesters injured themselves, though <sarcasm> I haven't heard their explanation of how the protestors managed to get bullets from police guns in their bodies without the police shooting them. Those tricky demonstrators! </sarcasm> - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 17:44, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Much better, thanks! — [[User:Pmcm|pmcm]] 23:07, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Change the image if you change the top story ==
Could whomever changes the top story, also remember to change or remove the image as well? I've seen non-matching images several times recently ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=14823502 900 year old European constitution?], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=14853004 Mugabe presedent of Hungary?]) and I never know if the image actually corresponds to the top story unless I either look at the alt-text or click on it.
[[User:Darrien|Darrien]] 08:43, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
== Bolivia ==
No mention about what's happening in Bolivia? Google News puts Bolivia on top, with 1024 articles off the main article...here it's not even mentioned. [[User:Ruy Lopez|Ruy Lopez]] 03:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Bolivia just fell off ITN because nobody had offered an update. Feel free to do so. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 06:20, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Protecting images from Commons ==
Is there a policy regarding protecting images that are from Commons, as the current picture of the Bolivian president is? I can't seem to find any discussion on the ITN pages. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 15:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:I agree – they do need protecting. Do you have a commons account? I get the impression that pretty much any respected contributor from all wikimedia projects can get adminship at the commons, if they have an account there. Do you? I think it is desirable to have such a system. At the moment, it suggests requesting it on IRC. I don't think that is long-term practical, though. [[User:smoddy|smoddy]] 17:27, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::I guess I'd better go create an account... - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 18:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::That's not true. There is a strong dislike against people just saying "I'm an admin on so and so project, so give me admin status here". One recent candidate for adminship over there did something along those lines and was voted down, despite being an admin on en, I think. That said, the requirements are fairly loose. It does help if you have established yourself elsewhere, but they expect you to have done some work on commons as well. Although my experience probably isn't like others, I made commons admin after about 3 months, ~150 edits to images, Commons: space, and vandalism fighting, but I imagine it did help to have admin status and 6000 edits (at that time) on en. [[User:CryptoDerk|CryptoDerk]] 18:50, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
:::Given the lack of a efficient mechanism for protection in these cases, I suppose the obvious solution is to not use images from commons, which sort of defeats its purpose. Or at least it's a solution for those en admins who aren't admins on commons...- [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 19:29, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:::: Try uploading the same image onto English Wikipedia from the Commons, then it can be protected. The same file name can be re-used.
:::: BTW, the current image on ITN, [[:Image:Asafa powell.jpg]], needs to be verified for its copyright status and protected. Thanks. -- 11:34, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::::* Taken care of. [[User:Fawcett5|Fawcett5]] 12:55, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::::: Thanks. -- 13:10, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== MJ Trial ==
Simply out of curiosity - wasn't the result posted here at wikipedia even before it was out!! Is it not unfair that even though the last verdict was being read someone had already posted not guilty on the main page.
==Opinion Poll==
The TMS/MRBI poll on the EU constitution is newsworthy for a number of reasons:
* It proves that the votes in France and the Netherlands were not isolated incidents but part of a wider attitude sweeping Europe;
* Until the poll, the presumption both in the Irish Government and in the EU headquarters was that Ireland was a ''dead cert'' to vote ''yes''. The poll changed overnight that perspective. It added further pressure to abandon the constitution entirely;
* TMS/MRBI [[The Irish Times|Irish Times]] polls are regarded within Ireland as ''the'' most reliable and trustworthy polls done. A bad result in one of their polls is universally seen as the 'kiss of death'. Politicians and pollsters alive swear by them. Whatever other polls say, you don't ''really'' believe you are winning (or losing) until an MRBI poll says so. They are universally regarded as gospel. One writer (in a rival paper) joked that "if an MRBI poll says you are dead, you'd better go out and buy the coffin."
So this is not a case of simply reporting any old poll, but a notoriously reliable poll that reveals that the European Constitution is in even more trouble than expected, with even the ''dead cert'' supposedly ''pro-yes'' Irish actually being a ''dead cert'' 'no'. With the French and Dutch voting 'no', the Danish about to vote 'no', and now the Irish in an MRBI poll polling 'no', the constitution is not merely in critical condition but stone dead. <font color="#006666">'''Fear'''<font color="#FF6600">'''''ÉIREANN'''''[[Image:Ireland flag large.png|25px]]\<font color=blue><sup>[[user_talk:Jtdirl|(talk)]]</sup><font color=black> 19:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:But no bolded article, ergo no place in ITN. [[User:smoddy|smoddy]] 19:25, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:''(Edit conflicted):'' :I'm not arguing its newsworthiness. It simply does not meet the [[Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page]] criteria, in particular there was no bolded link to the article with the updated information. [[European Constitution]] states "In June 2005 an unsourced opinion poll in Ireland predicted that the European Constitution would be defeated in a referendum, if one was to take place in the immediate future", which is must less specific than the info in the ITN blurb and hardly helps the reader who wants to know more about the most recent event. That's why I simply didn't bold [[European Constitution]]. Knowing quite little about this topic, it seems the most logical place to put the updated information you have described above is [[Irish referendum on the European Constitution]]. Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 19:28, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The wording is the responsibility of a notorious troll who has been vandalising everything I write of late. The individual concerned is currently the subject of an investigation by the Arbitration Committee. He has previously added in fiction and misinformation on other articles. I will correct that page to read what I had been trying to add in when I got caught up in an edit conflict with the individual. (Though going by his past behaviour he will no doubt doctor that too and appear here delivering more personal abuse. His behaviour is currently being monitored by senior wikipedians and action is likely against him.) <font color="#006666">'''Fear'''<font color="#FF6600">'''''ÉIREANN'''''[[Image:Ireland flag large.png|25px]]\<font color=blue><sup>[[user_talk:Jtdirl|(talk)]]</sup><font color=black> 19:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It requires far too much context to try to put a case for the newsworthiness of this poll. Therefore it does not belong on the front page.
*Who said Ireland was a dead cert to vote yes? It's already voted no in a previous referendum!
*Czech Republic and UK are also expected to vote no. Five no's or six is hardly a big deal.
*The EU summit tomorrow is expected to put the whole ratification process on hold, rendering the opinion poll insignificant and providing a more significant story happening in the more immediate future.
*Suggesting "30% would vote Yes" is a gross misreading of the poll figures. The context is: 30% Yes, 35% No, 35% not sure/no opinion. That's 46% Yes. [[User:Joestynes|Joestynes]] 09:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Punctuation mark missing ==
The current top item on ITN, the one about whaling, could use a [[full stop]]. Thanks. -- [[User:65.95.104.93|65.95.104.93]] 16:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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