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'''Ann Miller''' was born on [[April 12]], [[1923]] (some sources still indicate [[1919]]) and died on [[January 22]], [[2004]]. She was an American dancer, singer and actress, who was christened '''Johnnie Lucille Collier''' in [[Chireno, Texas]] (some sources cite [[Houston, Texas]]).
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She was considered a child dance prodigy. She was given a contract with [[RKO]] allegedly at the tender age of thirteen (she had told them she was eighteen). She became famous for her roles in films such as [[Kiss Me, Kate]], [[Easter Parade]] and [[On the Town]]. Miller was famed for her speed in [[tap dancing]]; she claimed to be able to tap 500 times per minute.
Before asking a question, check if it's answered by the [[Wikipedia:FAQ]].
 
Her father (from whom she would become estranged due to his infidelities to her mother) insisted on the name Johnnie because he had wanted a boy, but she was often called Annie. She took up dancing to help exercise her legs to help her [[rickets]]. Her film career effectively ended in [[1956]], but she remained active in the theatre. In [[1979]] she astounded audiences in the [[Broadway]] show [[Sugar Babies]]. In 1983 she won the [[Sarah Siddons Award]] for her work in [[Chicago]] theatre. In 2001 she took her last role as "Coco" in auteur director [[David Lynch]]'s movie [[Mulholland Drive (film)]].
'''NOTE''' - questions and answers will not remain on this page indefinitely (otherwise it would very soon become too long to be editable.) After a period of time with no further activity, information will be moved to other relevant sections of the wikipedia, placed in the [[Wikipedia:Village pump archive]] if it is of general interest, or deleted.
 
For her contribution to the motion picture industry, Ann Miller has a star on the [[Hollywood Walk of Fame]] at 6914 Hollywood Blvd.
== Your questions answered here ==
 
She died at the age of 80 (or 84) from cancer that had spread to her lungs and was interred in the [[Holy Cross Cemetery]] in [[Culver City, California]].
Umm.... sorry, erasing the past so my browser will let my type in here. See history for old questions.
 
is anyone else getting php errors? Is there a story on this? [[User:Graft|Graft]]
 
== Filmography ==
I'm starting to hear more reports of congestion problems lately. I suspect that some server settings need to be expanded to accommodate greater traffic on the foreign-language wikis. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]]
* ''[[Anne of Green Gables]]'' (1934)
* ''[[The Good Fairy]]'' (1935)
* ''[[The Devil on Horseback]]'' (1936)
* ''[[New Faces of 1937]]'' (1937)
* ''[[The Life of the Party]]'' (1937)
* ''[[Stage Door]]'' (1937)
* ''[[Radio City Revels]]'' (1938)
* ''[[Having Wonderful Time]]'' (1938)
* ''[[You Can't Take It with You]]'' (1938)
* ''[[Room Service]]'' (1938)
* ''[[Tarnished Angel]]'' (1938)
* ''[[Too Many Girls]]'' (1940)
* ''[[Hit Parade of 1941]]'' (1940)
* ''[[Melody Ranch]]'' (1940)
* ''[[Time Out for Rhythm]]'' (1941)
* ''[[Meet the Stars: Stars Past and Present]]'' (1941) (short subject)
* ''[[Screen Snapshots: Series 21, No. 1]]'' (1941) (short subject)
* ''[[Go West, Young Lady]]'' (1941)
* ''[[True to the Army]]'' (1942)
* ''[[Priorities on Parade]]'' (1942)
* ''[[Reveille with Beverly]]'' (1943)
* ''[[What's Buzzin', Cousin?]]'' (1943)
* ''[[Hey, Rookie]]'' (1944)
* ''[[Jam Session]]'' (1944)
* ''[[Carolina Blues]]'' (1944)
* ''[[Eadie Was a Lady]]'' (1945)
* ''[[Eve Knew Her Apples]]'' (1945)
* ''[[The Thrill of Brazil]]'' (1946)
* ''[[Easter Parade]]'' (1948)
* ''[[The Kissing Bandit]]'' (1948)
* ''[[Mighty Manhattan, New York's Wonder City]]'' (1949) (short subject)
* ''[[On the Town]]'' (1949)
* ''[[Watch the Birdie]]'' (1950)
* ''[[Texas Carnival]]'' (1951)
* ''[[Two Tickets to Broadway]]'' (1951)
* ''[[Lovely to Look At]]'' (1952)
* ''[[Small Town Girl]]'' (1953)
* ''[[Calamity Jane]]'' (1953) (bit part)
* ''[[Kiss Me, Kate]]'' (1953)
* ''[[Deep in My Heart]]'' (1954)
* ''[[Hit the Deck]]'' (1955)
* ''[[The Opposite Sex]]'' (1956)
* ''[[The Great American Pastime]]'' (1956)
* ''[[Won Ton Ton, the Dog Who Saved Hollywood]]'' (1976)
* ''[[A Century of Cinema]]'' (1994) (documentary)
* ''[[That's Entertainment! III]]'' (1994)
* ''[[Mulholland Dr.]]'' (2001)
 
== External links ==
I've been seeing PHP errors that don't immediately suggest congestion. It
* {{imdb name|id=0587900|name=Ann Miller}}
looked to me like somebody temporarily mislaid a PHP document used for
* [http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3422589.stm BBC obituary]
config. - [[User:Khendon|Khendon]] 15:59 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)
 
[[Category:1923 births|Miller, Ann]]
The error reported to me most recently was "can't load include file" because the system limit on number of open files was maxed out. That happens specifically when people access many of the foreign wikis at once, even if total congestion on the server is otherwise low. --[[User:Lee Daniel Crocker|LDC]]
[[Category:2004 deaths|Miller, Ann]]
[[Category:American actors|Miller, Ann]]
[[Category:U.S. stage actors|Miller, Ann]]
[[Category:American film actors|Miller, Ann]]
[[Category:Hollywood Walk of Fame|Miller, Ann]]
[[Category:Female singers|Miller, Ann]]
[[Category:Tap dancers|Miller, Ann]]
[[Category:People from Texas|Miller, Ann]]
 
Ah, okay. I retract my naive comment then :-) - [[User:Khendon|Khendon]] 16:18 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)
 
[[de:Ann Miller]]
BTW Lee, last night I noticed the German, etc wikis weren't having the php files cached (no *_apc files), as the directory permissions didn't allow apache to write to them. I've chowned the 'w' directories to apache, and they all seem to be caching now. That may help, or hinder. Who knows. :) --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 21:02 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)
[[fr:Ann Miller]]
 
[[nl:Ann Miller]]
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This has probably come up before, so if I'm repeating tired old arguments, or worse still inadvertently walking into a minefield, apologies, but I think it would be nice to have a simpler, more wiki-ish markup for subscripts and superscripts, rather than relying on raw HTML (it was really starting to piss me off while doing the notation example in [[electron configuration]]). Something a bit TeXy, perhaps, like ^ and _ (though that leads to ambiguity over exactly what wants sub/superscripting so it might be best to use paired symbols ^2^ and _2_, or perhaps even ^2_ _2^, so that ^ meant go up a level and _ meant go down a level) --[[User:Bth|Bth]]
 
: It has come up before, but it's well worth mentioning again! Something like ^^2^^ might be safer. It's also been suggested that we could use TeX itself to generate PNG images, thus: <nowiki>[[math:some TeX expression in here]]</nowiki>. I like this idea a lot, even though I'm of the age of WYSIWYG and I ''fear'' TeX -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]] 22:10 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)
 
:: The problem with the suggested syntaxes is that (one way or another) they don't allow scripts within scripts. My suggestion in the past has been "^{...}" and "_{...}" (which follows TeX even more closely) on the assumption that "^{" and "_{" will rarely or never occur naturally together. We could still double the "^" and "_" if that assumption proves mistaken, but we'll still need some sort of asymmetric bracketing; unlike other wiki syntax, scripts don't simply toggle. &mdash; [[User:Toby Bartels|Toby]] 10:32 Sep 29, 2002 (UTC)
 
: (But TeX is ''lovely'' ...) The thing is, nice though it would be to have some sort of swish automagic mathematics-generator, I think this is a slightly separate (though related) issue: sub/superscripts are possible within HTML and they occur frequently enough (and not always in mathematical contexts) that it'd be nice to be able to do them wiki-style. --[[User:Bth|Bth]]
 
:: Yes, [[TeX]] is quite lovely; I use it all the time, even for writing letters to friends. After discussing possibilities for implementing it ad nauseam on the [[Wikipedia:mailing list]], I eventually decided that it would only make editing harder for the uninitiated and thus shouldn't be done. But y'all may have fresh ideas that we didn't have before, so feel free to bring it up there again. &mdash; [[User:Toby Bartels|Toby]] 10:32 Sep 29, 2002 (UTC)
 
: I think we should bring it up again. TeX would only be used for fairly complex equations; so most people who will come face to face with it will be mathematicians of some sort. Those (like me) who don't know tex already can probably handle the learning curve. -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]] 10:45 Sep 29, 2002 (UTC)
 
 
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What is the thing to do when all links to a previous disambiguation page has been resolved? Is the disambiguation page just left there for future links to the page, or removed?
 
:The former. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 00:43 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC)
 
::Great, thanks Brion. [[User:Carl|Carl]]
 
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I just made an article titled [[I'noGo tied]] but the link is from a lower-case "i" at the beginning, and I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be, at least according to my source (even at the beginning of a sentence, so I assume it's a pronunciation thing in [[Inuit language|Inuit]]). The system automatically switched it. Is there anyway around that? Not really a huge deal, I guess; it's still in lowercase in the article itself.--[[User: Tokerboy]]
:You can link to it with leading lowercase, but you should talk to LDC about whether there's anyway to make it display the title with leading lowercase. [[User:Koyaanis Qatsi|--KQ]]
 
::There isn't one, but you could talk with him about making one. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]]
 
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I'm not sure how the images are linked/stored but the Japanese flag is either mislabeled or just plain missing.... [[Japan]]
[[User:Vik-Thor|Vik-Thor]] 05:04 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC)
 
:White rectangle with a big red circle in the middle? Looks fine to me, both in Mozilla 1.2a and IE 5.5 (Win2000). --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 05:13 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC)
 
::OK, I'm going to be quiet now... I swear, it was coming up with the Montana state flag, even after refreshing... [[User:Vik-Thor|Vik-Thor]] 05:31 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC)
 
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Guys,
 
Several issues.
 
A recent bit of expanding of [[Olivia Newton-John]] had me adding her date of birth at the start of her name in this style: (September 26, 1948- )
 
A certain [[astronomer]] then proceeded to change this to read (b September 26, 1948)
 
Which format is correct - and is there a correct format? I has a look in FAQ but found no help there.
 
Whilst we're at it, let's expand some more and ask : ''are'' there any standards as regards displaying peoples' dates of birth and death? There do not appear to be any. Some biographies start with just the years , often not in tag form (eg Fred VII (1654-1700) was a merry old soul); others do not start with a date of birth and/or death at all ( eg Luke VIII was a king of England who hated termites ...) ; others still use tags at the start ( Rodney II ([[June 15]], [[1936]]- [[October 31]], [[2001]]). Which format, if any, is standard? I prefer the lattermost myself.
 
One other thing. Whilst going through lists of the most popular pages, I was surprised to see one dedicated to someone called [[Aria Giovanni]] - some 4800 or so hits. When I investigated it, I was initially amused and then annoyed to discover that she is a Penthouse Pet.
 
 
I suspect that some of those 4800 hits were due to people looking for grubby pictures. Thanks to the tag at the bottom, that links to a site that, according to its own disclaimer, "contains explicit sexually oriented material" , they have access to them. (Oh, I should add, I did not look at this material...)
 
Seriously, though, is there any reason as to why the Asia Giovanni article should not be taken out? This website is not a referring service for porn, is it?
 
I should also point out that there is something patently ridiculous about a Penthouse Pet having a page that has a length compatible with, say [[Walter Burley Griffin]], or is longer than , say, [[Aage Niels Bohr]], two far more historically important individuals.
 
Arno
 
:: Yes, there are standards. They are outlined on the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style]], and yes, you guessed it, some are still being thrashed out, in typical wikipedia style ;) The correct style for dates, however, is decided on. YOu'll be pleased to know that your preffered style is the standard: ( Rodney II ([[June 15]], [[1936]]- [[October 31]], [[2001]]). For the not-dead-yet, we use (born [[June 15]], [[1936]]). -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]]
 
:To answer your other question; We are ''not'' a porn referral service and if you see another pointless link to a porn site in the future then feel free to delete it. However, there are soft porn sites that can add to the value of certain articles. For example, in our surprisingly good article [[nude celebrities on the Internet]] there is a link to "The Case Files of the Fake Detective" which is a website that analyzes more than 300 faked nude photos of celebrities. It has side-by-side images of the fake, the original of the clothed celebrity, and the original of the nude model. But at one time there was a link to the Lair of Lux Lucre which only has the fakes. I removed the pointless Lux link. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]]
 
''Additional talk on this issue has been moved to [[Talk:Aria Giovanni]].''
 
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hi, been playing over the new phpwiki site and found their sidebar very useful...http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/demo/en/RecentChanges?days=3
any one know where i could find thesame for moz 1.2a for wikipedia? thanks
 
oh, and for evangelistic purposes .ideas. I'm sending pages to friends that I know have an interest in the material and inviting them to edit/update the materials...If we 'all did that' I think we'd get a lot of page churning, especially if we target those academic types.
--[[User:DennisDaniels|Denny]]
 
:It may be the browser I'm using, but I don't see a sidebar on that page. Unless you call their logo at the side of the page a 'sidebar', but then Wikipedia has it too, just somewhat more extensive. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]]
 
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I am unable to access the following areas:
*[[Clermont County, Ohio]]
*[[List of Montana counties]]
*The main page of www.wikipedia.org
I get various errors, all php related. Some are missing files, others are too many files open, and the like. The Clermont County one has been like this for days. What is happening here? -- [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]]
 
This is probably due to general heavy traffic loads from readers and ''very'' heavy edit load from me and especially you. ;) --[[User:Maveric149|mav]]
 
Shouldn't this clear out? Why has it been hours or days (in the case of Ohio) like this? -- Ram-Man
 
:Clear your browser cache, hit reload, try again. Especially if you're using Internet Explorer, which seems to jealously preserve failed page loads. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 03:18 Sep 29, 2002 (UTC)
 
::I concur. Although I am using a Netscape version rather than Explorer, I too find that the error messages comes back if I go to the same page again, but then disappears when I hit 'Reload'. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]]
 
:::Clearing the cache fixed my problem. Thanks! -- [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]]
 
:::''Incidentally, one way to force Infernal Exploder to refresh is to hold down the Ctrl key while clicking the refresh icon. Which reminds me of a joke: "Only women refresh; men reload." -- [[User:Netesq|NetEsq]] 20:10 Sep 29, 2002 (UTC)''
 
Perhaps the problem here is that, although we normally send pages set to expire immediately, so that there will be no caching, perhaps no such expiration is set when we send errors.
Well, we generate the errors here on our server, so surely we can send such expiration commands then too?
Programmers: Am I right?
&mdash; [[User:Toby Bartels|Toby]] 05:26 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)
 
:If you're getting one of the errors described above, our script probably isn't even getting a chance to run; if it does, the error messages usually come up before we have a chance to output the custom headers, and you can't output headers after content has started. So, um, prolly not. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 05:31 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)
 
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Following my earlier query about [[Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (pieces of music)|how to name articles about pieces of classical music]] (the responses to which I'm very grateful for, and still chewing over), I've got another problem in that area: I want to write an article about the [[John Cage]] piece ''4'33"'', but it looks like article titles cannot have quotes in them, so [[4'33"]] doesn't work. Is there any way round this? There are alternative names for the piece (it could be spelled out in words, for example), but this form is by far the most common, and I'd like to use it if at all possible. --[[User:Camembert|Camembert]] 18:22 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)
 
:How does [[4 43|4'43"]] (coded as <nowiki> [[4 43|4'43"]]</nowiki>) strike you? [[User:Ortolan88|Ortolan88]] 18:44 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)
 
::Yes, I know I can use a pipe, and if it comes to that, I will (though I'll probably point it to [[Four Minutes, Thirty-Three Seconds]] rather than [[4 33]]). But what I was really trying to ask, in a round about way, was: is there any way to use a " in an article title? --[[User:Camembert|Camembert]] 23:20 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)
 
::: How about [[4'33'']] as a quick cheat, with two ' for a " -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]] 23:29 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)
 
::::It might just work that, it might just work. Rather amusingly, however, if you try to surround the link with two 's to italicize it (as those tyrants at the Manual of Style will say you should, hem hem), it breaks the link, and italicizes one set of brackets instead. And I would be a bit worried about people trying to link to the article but not being able to work out that it's two 's rather than one ". But I can use html tags to italicize, and I don't see anybody else round here writing about John Cage, so... --[[User:Camembert|Camembert]] 00:23 Oct 1, 2002 (UTC)
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[[Special:Randompage]] seems to be no longer working, I get:
 
 
Warning: open(/tmp/sess_e3b9b5e8f5afa9cce2aa0066fca4a143, O_RDWR) failed: Too many open files in system (23) in /usr/local/apache/htdocs/w/wiki.phtml on line 7
 
Warning: Failed opening 'Setup.php' for inclusion
(include_path='.:/usr/local/lib/php') in
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/w/wiki.phtml on line 12
 
Fatal error: Undefined class name 'outputpage' in
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/w/wiki.phtml on line 14
 
Warning: open(/tmp/sess_e3b9b5e8f5afa9cce2aa0066fca4a143, O_RDWR) failed:
Too many open files in system (23) in Unknown on line 0
 
Warning: Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the
current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown on line
0
 
[[User:Jheijmans|Jeronimo]] 18:50 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)
 
 
: This has been happening on any page lately. Maybe a FAQ entry from one of the technically-minded wikipedians would help?
 
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We passed the 50000 article barrier yesterday. Does anyone know which article was the 50000th? (Not that it really matters, just idle curiosity on my part.) --[[User:Bth|Bth]]
 
:I wouldn't put too much stock in that headline figuew. There are more than 15,000 "articles" with less than 500 characters. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 01:21 Oct 1, 2002 (UTC)
 
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I'm having trouble with the character encoding on my brower - it's mozilla 1.1 and the default encoding is iso8859-1. It makes any accents or unusual characters turn into rubb!sh and make a mess of the edit. Anyone know about this? [[User:andrewthorne]]
 
:I never had problems with Mozilla 1.1a, and have no problems now with Mozilla 1.2a (on Windows 2000). Could you give examples of particular pages and particular actions which produce problems, and describe precisely what happens, and tell us which operating system you're running on? --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 04:15 Oct 1, 2002 (UTC)
 
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I've been struggling a bit with how to set off entries that can be very broad in application like [Education] but have many sub categories like [assessment] or [history] but I don't want the sub categories to get too wrapped up in the generalities... phpwiki 1.3 offers an interesting solution allowing users to create sub categories by adding a slash/ at the end like this Enlish / History . Has such a system been discussed before? ck out the demo version of [http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/demo/en/HomePage |phpwiki_demo]], make sure create a subject. save it. then add a slash to it at the end. it's pretty easy.- dgd
 
:We have done this in the past, but it has been deprecated. It was felt that the disadvantages were probably greater than the advantages. See [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_subpages_pros_and_cons]]. For cases such as you mention, you can either use sub-headings (Type ==History== on a line of itself), or create a page with a title like <nowiki>[[History of education]]</nowiki>. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 15:22 Oct 1, 2002 (UTC)
 
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I've been attempting to setup a copy of wikipedia on one of my servers for experimenting and testing. I want to use the real data to experiment with the wikipedia code and be able to more closely examine the data structure. I have in mind potentially altering the code to use in another project that is something of a "People Data Store" Example: "Quotes" are made by people, people have biography that relates them to other people, places, and events in time. This could also apply to many other works of people such as "Lyrics", "Books", "Articles", "Film", "Programming code". Lots of possibilities. In many ways it it much like an encyclopedia, just more (for lack of a better way of expressing it) factual and concrete. 8-)
 
My problem, For a couple of days now I've been attempting to download the datadump of the encyclopedia and history from the download page. Unfortunately all I get instead of a gzip, tar, or zip file is the text data dump to my browser. Is there some way that I can get the current data and history files some other way? I don't care about the size, but a file is much more useful than a text data list of many mb. Also is there some method of data replication that is used to keep other copies current? Any help with this would be much appreciated, Thanks (albrown AT chook DOT com or al AT thetinfoilhat DOT com)
 
:Your browser appears to be helpfully un-gzipping the data for you. If this is a problem (ie, you don't want to take up that much hard disk space just for the dump), try a less intelligent program. ;) "wget" is a nice command-line web/ftp file fetcher; I think there's a version compiled for windows. (Google it.) Keep in mind that the SQL dump will be equally effective zipped or unzipped; you have to read it back into the database or write your own program to suck the data out of the SQL commands. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 19:01 Oct 2, 2002 (UTC)
 
There are times when I actively hate the latest IE. Is ftp an option then? I tried to connect to ftp.wikipedia.com and didn't get very far as "anon".
 
 
: Get Mozilla!