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Early on as the [[Ottoman Empire|Ottoman]] [[Turks]] drove out the [[Byzantines]] from [[Anatolia]] and later pursued them into [[Europe]], the pursuit was a part of the [[Jihad]] (or Holy War) against [[Christianity]], and the first Ottoman rulers called themselves ''Gazi'', or Holy Warriors. But, as the Ottomans moved further west and the assimilation of the [[Ethnic Greek|Greek]] and [[Balkan]] cultures progressed, the Turkic leaders themselves absorbed some of the culture of the conquered peoples. The alien culture was gradually added to the Turks' own, creating the characteristic Ottoman culture. It is impossible to speak of one Ottoman Culture as it is always in change and constantly in relation to other cultures.

The Ottomans had a high tolerance of alien cultures and religions: The men of the ruling Dynasty, the house of Osman, always married women with mixed heritage, Turkish, Greek, Arab, Russian, Serbian, thus themselves were mixed.

== The Arts ==

=== Poetry===

{{Main|Poetry of the Ottoman Empire}}

Compared to [[Arabic literature|Arabian]] and [[Persian]] literature translations, the poetical literature of the Ottoman Turks, the most illustirious family of the third great race of Islam, has been, only a few exceptions, almost entirely neglected by European counter parts. The cause of this is hard to ascertain, given the facts of the [[Ottoman Turks]], muslim neighboors, being in Europe for upward of six centuries and in close contact with various European peoples. Antipathy on Turkish race and religious bigotry on Islam are virulent and hard to kill (unhappily, they exist to this day, scarcely less unjust and cruel than in bygone times). It is difficult not to think [[clash of civilizations]] are in some measure responsible for the gross ignorance that almost universally prevails, in Europe at any rate, regarding Turkey and all things Turkish.

'''See [[Authentic Matthew]] for discussion'''

Poetry has been cultivated in Turkey with greater assiduity than any other branch of literature. [[Joseph Freiherr von Hammer-Purgstall]], in his great work, ''Die Geschichte der Osmanischen Dichtkunst'', gives translated extracts from two thousand two hundred Ottoman poets. Comparatively few of these Ottoman versifiers are regarded as really great poets. Perhaps [[Aşık Paşa]] is not very far behind his great prototype, the immortal [[Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi]], the author of the [[Mesnevi]]. The [[gazel]]s of [[Baki]], in elegance of diction and depth of feeling, rival those of [[Hıfzı]]; and the romances of [[Lami'i]] yield not one whit in loveliness to the works of [[Jami]] or [[Nizami]]. The reason we do not count Ottoman poetry or poets among really great poets is that most of the works are not translated to European languages.

=== Music ===

:Classic Turkish Music

:Public Music

=== Calligraphy ===

[[Image:Tugra Mahmuds II.gif|right|frame|The stylized signature of [[Sultan]] [[Abdul Hamid I]] of the [[Ottoman Empire]] was written in an expressive calligraphy. It reads ''Mahmud Khan son of Abdulhamid is forever victorious''.]]

The [[Diwani]] script is a cursive style of Arabic calligraphy developed during the reign of the early [[Ottoman Empire|Ottoman]] [[Turkey|Turks]] ([[16th century|16th]] and early [[17th century|17th centuries]]). It was invented by [[Housam Roumi]] and reached its height of popularity under [[Süleyman I the Magnificent]] ([[1520]]–[[1566|66]]). As decorative as it was communicative, Diwani was distinguished by the complexity of the line within the letter and the close juxtaposition of the letters within the word.

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See also

* [[Arabic calligraphy]]

* [[Islamic art]]

See external links:

* [http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/newspot/2002/may-jun/n14.htm calligraphy]

* [http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/newspot/2001/july-aug/n7.htm manuscript illumination] from the Turkish Ministry of Culture.

=== Decorative ===

==== Miniature ====

See external links:

* [http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/newspot/2003/jan-apr/n15.htm miniature painting]

* [http://www.byegm.gov.tr/yayinlarimiz/NEWSPOT/2000/May/N22.htm portrait painting]

==== Textiles ====

See external links:

To resolve conflict, I have merged articles.--By George

* [http://www.byegm.gov.tr/yayinlarimiz/NEWSPOT/1999/JAN/N24.htm textiles]

==== Carpet ====

Among the Ottoman Turks the art of carpet weaving have environmental, sociological, economic, and religious reasons, which all of these effected the daily life and the decorative structures of the carpets. Turks used the carpets not just on the floors but also walls and doorways. This protected them from the temprature fluctuations between day and night, and through out the seasons.

Hereke Carpets have very important place among world carpets. They are the best and finest silk rugs in the world. Carpets with Hereke designes look like magnificent cloths with fine weaving. There is an authentic Hereke designs and later carpet designers have influenced with the royal tastes and compositions. The first examples were find during the Seljuk period, were established in Usak, Gordes, Cairo, Bursa and Istanbul in 15th, 16th and 17th centuries. The Hereke factory, build through Ottoman industrial policy in 19th century, started to work on textiles, but later carpet weaving took the dominance.

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Other significant designes include "Palace", "Yoruk" and "Turkmenian" carpets. They generally have the same functional characteristics, but differ from in their styles. Stylised designs dominate "Yoruk" and "Turkmenian", whereas naturalism is prevalent in Palace due to the technological possibilities which gives way to more complex designs and motifs.

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==== Jewelry ====

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=== Architecture ===

''Please note that Eusebius is not regarded as a reliable source in this field. Eusebius is 4th century. [[Iranaeus]] (of Lyons) (possibly spelt wrongly) is a much more reliable source. He is mid 2nd century, and even though he is a [[church father]] (and thus extremely biased) he nethertheless reports on the views of his opponents, and thus gives us both sides of the case. He is also much closer to the period.-- ANON''

{{Main| Architecture in Ottomans}}

=== Performance ===

====Dance====

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Image:Constantinople settings and traits (1926)- bulgarians dancing.png|Istanbul 1908 - Bulgarians

Image:Constantinople settings and traits (1926)- Epirotes.png|Istanbul 1908 - Epirotes

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Competing&mdash;successfully&mdash;with the women of the harem for the affection of the Ottoman noble were young males in various functions, chief among whom were the entertainers, known as [[köçeks]]. They traveled in troupes and were skilled in music, dancing, and erotic pleasures. The average troupe&mdash;named after its leader&mdash;would have about thirty dancers, though some had several hundred. When not on stage, köçeks would work in coffee-houses and taverns, where they would serve drinks, flirt, and be available for trysts with the clientele.

[[Image:Turkish - Dancing Kocek - Late 19th c - wiki.jpg|thumb|160px|left|Dancing Köçek with a tambourine. Photograph, late 19th c. Private collection.]] They were highly sought after by all nobles of all ranks, including the Sultan. Köçeks wore elegant and gaudy costumes, had long curly hair, and were immortalized in books discussing their qualities and ranking them by nationality, such as the ''Huban-nameh'' of [[Enderunlu Fazil]].

Dear ANON,

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====Median (Open Stage Show)====

[[Image:The Turkish theater 1933 - pishekar, kavuklu, three zenne, orchestra, on median (open space).png|left|thumb|100px|Central - Median]]

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====Meddah (One Person Show) ====

[[Image:Turkish Goverment information brocure (1950s) - Meddah-story teller.png|left|thumb|100px|Istanbul - Story teller]]

Meddah or story teller was a single person show that played in front of a small group of audiance like a coffee shop audience. The play is generally about a single topic which the meddah (story teller) plays different personalities within the story. Depending on the person the meddah is impersonating in the story, he used an umbrella, or an hancercife to signal the change of personality. The control of voice is the most important skill in this type of show. There is no time limitation on the shows. A good meddah has the skill to adjust the story depending on the interaction getting from the audiance.

The stories are mostly conflicts between different parts of the society. Meddah were generally travelling artists that moved from one big city to another. The main path that used was the towns on the spice road. The dynamics of the tradition is supposedly goes back to the [[Homer]]'s time. The methods of meddahs were same as the methods of that times artists who told the stories of Greek epics [[Iliad]] and [[Odyssey]] from one town to another, even though the stories were changed to Ferhat ile Şirin or Leyla ile Mecnun. Among the reportuars of the meddah also include true stories, that was modified depending the audiance, artist and political situation.

Certainly the area of Authentic Matthew has been a controversial one. Your points are good, and I agree with the above. However, most scholars concur that the catalogue of Eusebius is an accurate reflection of the works surviving to his time. '''-- Melissa '''

The Istanbul meddahs were known integrate musical instruments to their stories. That was pointed as a difference to the east anatolian [[Dengbejin]].

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====Karagöz (Shadow Play)====

:Karagoz

== Costumes ==

''Also, listing Eusebius' choice of what is and isnt heresy is not relevant to an article about the gospel of matthew/M/nazoreans/hebrews. It is only relevant to Eusebius. Other people (including Iranaeus, [[Origen]], and [[Celsus]]) had different views on the matter. -- ANON''

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The fashion during the ottoman empire was covered in these pages. The fashion was more of expression of ones feelings and cultural values during the ottoman period than what is represented through modern fashion values.

== Lifestyle ==

Dear ANON,

The Ottoman court life in many aspects assembled ancient traditions of the [[Persian]] [[Shah]]s, but had many [[Ethnic Greek|Greek]] and [[European]] influences.

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There are those who think that Eusebius is a great church scholar. Our point of view is not relevant. In controversial areas, even sources with which we have difficulty should be cited. That is why "the fragments" contained a variety of sources including Origen, Iranaeus, etc. '''-- Melissa'''

Image:Constantinople(1878)-public typist.png|Telling a problem to a typist

Image:Constantinople(1878)-Road to pear; - in bottom the tip of the serraglio.png|A street

Image:Constantinople(1878)-The great galata bridge.png|The galata bridge

Image:Constantinople(1878)-the ghetto of the Hebrew.png|Hebrew getto

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=== Traditions ===

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The culture that evolved around the court was known as the Ottoman Way. To get a high position in the empire, one must be skilled in the Way. It included knowing both [[Persian language|Persian]], [[Arabic language|Arabic]] and [[Ottoman Turkish]] and how to behave in court, in front of the sultan, and on formal and religious occasions. The Ottoman Way also used to separate the nobles from the lower classes. Peasants and villagers were called Turks, while nobles were Ottomans. Sometimes though, people would get mad at other and this caused many disputes between the people.

In general, Turks take their shoes off in the house. There are slippers that are designated to home use. This custom was carried through centuries as the Turkish babies have been free to move and adults can rest on the floor. This custom aimed in keeping the carpet and kilim clean. Women and girls take up carpet and kilim weaving as a means of earning money.

There is a religious holiday that families present candies to guests.

[[Image:Constantinople settings and traits (1926)- seker bayrami.png|left|thumb|100px|Seker Bayrami]]

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=== Household life at Palace ===

''Likewise, your own view of the origin of the biblical canon has no place in an encylopedia. Your view, is by its very nature, a view, and therefore not factual, is original research, and also not reporting on the views of scholars/relevant persons on the matter. In addition, it is not relevant to the articles you have inserted it into, as it belongs inarticles such as [[Gospel of Matthew]] and [[History of Christianity]] and [[Historicity of Jesus]] to name but a few. -- ANON''

The [[Harem (household)|Harem]] was a small world in itself, ruled by the Sultana (Empress/Queen). It was the administrative center of Empire. The Sultana was the mother of the current sultan ([[Walida Sultana]]). She also selected the concubines for her son. The concubines could live in or around the palace for their entire life, and it supported them with whatever they needed. Women not found suitable by the Sultana for the sultan were married off to eligible bachelors from the Ottoman nobility or sent back home. Female servants did all the chores such as serving food and making the beds. Male (sometimes [[Eunuch]]) white and black servants did the hard work such as shopping, guarding the palaces and maintaining the gardens, the braziers and candelabras.

You can not see the face of the bride. Religious and political leaders are at the front.

Dear ANON,

[[Image:Constantinople settings and traits (1926)- Royal wedding-1.png|left|thumb|100px|1908 Royal Wedding]]

Every prince has his own place. It is a tradition to take the bride from her house and take it to where she will be building her new familiy.

You jump to the wrong conclusion. There is much in the article on Authentic Matthew with which I disagree. Indeed, my point of view is probably closer to yours than that of the article. That is why I was pleased when user By George merged the two articles. Also, the article on Authentic Matthew is merely a summary of the writings from the early church to now. '''-- Melissa'''

[[Image:Constantinople settings and traits (1926)- Royal wedding-2.png|left|thumb|100px|1908 Royal Wedding]]

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== Sports ==

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[[Yağlı güreş|Turkish Wresling]] is very old tradition among Turks.

[[Image:Constantinople settings and traits (1926)- Turkish Wresling.png|left|thumb|100px|Turkish Wresling]]

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:Cirit

== Food And Drinks ==

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:Raki

:Turkish Caffee

:Hooka

''Furthermore, Jerome is widely regarded as being inaccurate in this area, not least because he can't tell the difference between the gospel of the hebrews, the gospel of the nazoreans, and the gospel of the ebionites, which are distinct. We know that he can't tell the difference because he quotes from each of these but names them all as the gospel of the hebrews. As such, it makes what he says about hebrews unreliable, as it very difficult to seperate how much of what he says should correspond to a particular one of the texts, and how much to another, and how much is a conclusion he has erroneously reached because he has conflated the three texts into one. -- ANON''

== Science and Technology ==

Dear ANON,

Timeline

There are those who agree with what you say about Jerome, but there are many who believe he is a reliable source. Therefore, his writings must be included in any authoritative article. '''-- Melissa'''

18/07/1851 -Inauguration of the Academy of Sciences

== Education ==

=== Timeline ===

''As you appear to be concentrating your contributions on the apocrypha, at the moment, I would recommend you first read "Apocryphal Gospels:An introduction" by "Hans-Josef Klauck". -- ANON''

* 01/04/1847-Institution of the Ministry of Education founded

Dear ANON,

* [[Ottoman Civil Service School|Civil Service School]] founded [[1859]]

* [[Imperial Ottoman Lycée]] at [[Galatasaray]] founded [[1868]]

== Social Issues ==

I have. '''-- Melissa'''

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==External links==

* [http://www.osmanlimedeniyeti.com http://www.osmanlimedeniyeti.com] Many articles about the Ottoman history and culture including art, culture, literature, economics, architecutre (in Turkish)

[[Category:Ottoman Empire]]

== Authentic Matthew ==

'''Authentic Matthew''' remains one of the most controversial areas of biblical scholarship, and therefore makes it difficult to write a fully unbiased Wikipedia article. There are approximately twenty positions regarding this work that was called Authentic Matthew by the majority of writers in the Early Church. The following are the five major positions:

'''1. No such thing as Authentic Matthew'''

Many modern biblical scholars believe that the apostle Matthew never wrote a gospel. They include such scholars as Klauck, Streeter, and the two-source theory, which states that the Gospel of Matthew was written by an unknown editor who merged earlier sources and the oral tradition.

'''2. Authentic Matthew existed.'''

This position is supported by the fact that it is cited in the theological discussions of the Early Church fathers.

'''3. The Gospel of Matthew is Authentic Matthew.'''

This position states that Matthew wrote a gospel, that is the one that we have in the Bible today. This was the majority opinion until modern biblical scholarship pointed out that the Canonical Gospel was based on Greek sources and not an eye witness account.

'''4. My point of view.'''

Matthew wrote a Gospel in Aramaic. Because it was difficult to translate into Greek, sources such as Mark, Q, etc., were used in the translation. Thus, the heavy reliance on Q and Mark in the Canonical Gospel of Matthew.

'''5. Different Gospels.'''

This position states that the Gospel of Matthew, Authentic Matthew, the Gospel of the Hebrews, the Gospel of the Nazarenes, the Gospel of the Ebionites, the Hebrew Gospel, etc., are all different gospels.

== Summary ==

The purpose of the article "Authentic Matthew" is to put forward the information that we know in an unbiased fashion, not emphasizing any one point of view. Therefore it is important to discuss and edit but not to merely delete or redirect. Where no consensus can be reached, both theories must be put forward so that the reader is fully informed.

By the way ANON, I have read the other material you have submitted to the Wikipedia and found it to be thought-provoking and interesting. Looking forward to your "scholarly" response on Authentic Matthew. I have undone the merge submitted by By George and at present both the Gospel of the Nazarenes and Authentic Matthew stand on their own to be debated and eventually revised. -- Melissa