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== Fascism ==

In all the election campaign, DPP uses the tactic that "if you love Taiwan, vote for DPP",

"if you are true Taiwanese, vote for DPP", "if you vote for the pan blue parties, you are not Taiwanese", and furthermore, "if you vote for the pan blue parties, you are Chinese communist", "if you are fed in Taiwanese food, you should vote for true Taiwanese", "Pan blue parties are Chinese parties, not Taiwanese"

(2000 & 2004 presidential election, 1998, 2001 and 2004 legistilative yuan members election)

==The Elder Gods in the mythos==

DPP government insists to call the Fujian dialect as "Taiwanese", people who immigrated to Taiwan from China more than 100 years ago as true "Taiwanese", while ignoring the voices of Taiwanese aboriginal people.

The Elder Gods oppose the [[Outer God]]s and the [[Great Old One]]s. Many consider them to be non-Lovecraftian since they bring a ''good versus evil'' [[dichotomy]] into the cosmic indifference of Lovecraft's fiction. However, these deities are no more concerned for such [[human]] notions as "good" and "evil" than the beings they oppose, and consider humans to be less than [[flea]]s.

From the definition fo Fascism in Wikipedia,

* exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual.

* stresses loyalty to a single leader.

* uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition.

* engages in severe economic and social regimentation.

* implements totalitarianism.

The main "Elder God" used by Lovecraft is [[Nodens (Cthulhu Mythos)|Nodens]], who appears most notably in the ''[[Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath]]'' and "The High House in the Mists" in which he acts as [[Deus Ex Machina]] to completely change the protagonist's situation. In this regard, he is similar to Lovecraft's usage of [[Nyarlathotep]], although less obviously malicious. Another entity mentioned as an Elder God is [[Hypnos]], Roman god of sleep, in the story fragment "Hypnos" in which a mediocre poet is suddenly granted the power to usher in a new [[Golden Age]]. It is also speculated that [[Bast (goddess)|Bast]], Egyptian goddess of cats, qualifies as an Elder God due to Lovecraft's [[wikt:feline|feline]] obsession and to hints given in Lovecraft's "The Cats of Ulthar".

point 1: Over the years, even being more corrupted than the GMT government, its core voters follow the slogan of DPP "if you are true Taiwanese, vote for DPP". (2000 & 2004 presidential election, 1998, 2001 and 2004 legistilative yuan members election)

point 2: Chen Shui-bian. The most recent example, holding the 2004 referendum because Chen wants it, and then overturning the 2004 referendum results also because Chen doesn't like them. (2004 presidential election)

point 3: Use the "Government Information Office" to control medias with opposite openion. Control CTS, TTV and FTV and censor the news regarding opposite parties. Legalise underground radios who supported Chen in the 2004 elections.

point 4: Control the education system. In the official high school social study textbook, DPP government changed the text declares the constitution of ROC first written by GMT "may against the law", law of what is unclear.

point 5: From definition, all totalitarian régimes pose as the culmination of 'true' democracy as opposed to the liberal democracies that exercise the rule of law and respect property rights. In all elections, DPP claims that they are the true democracy, and to oppose DPP is to oppose democracy.

==Table of Elder Gods==

I would welcome Wilfried Derksen, the Dutch scholar who apparently believes that his understanding of Taiwanese politics is better than other people from Taiwan, to challange the above points. [[User:bobbybuilder|bobbybuilder]] 18:12pm, 22 June 2005 (UTC)

===Overview===

This table is organized as follows:

* '''Name'''. This is the commonly accepted name of the Elder God. If the being's designation is disputed, it is marked by an asterisk (*).

* '''Epithet(s), Other name(s)'''. This field lists any epithets or alternate names. These are the names sometimes mentioned in [[Cthulhu mythos arcane literature|books of arcane literature]], but may also be the preferred names used by cults.

* '''Description'''. This entry provides a brief (albeit incomplete) description of the Elder God.

* '''References'''. This field lists the stories in which the Elder God makes a ''significant'' appearance or otherwise receives important mention. For brevity, a simple two letter code is used (the key to the codes is found '''[[Cthulhu mythos reference codes and bibliography|here]]'''). If a code appears in '''bold''', this means that the story introduces the Elder God.

===Table===

Can someone elaborate on the different factions? The factions are frequently mentionned without explanation in English news sources based in Taiwan. [[User:Hwliang|wayne]] 23:00, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

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"... traditionally been associated with the pan-green coalition...": since that label is a neologism and its other main constituent the [[Taiwan Solidarity Union]] is also fairly young, arguably the DPP has not been "traditionally" associated with it. The DPP has, however, been traditionally associated with the [[Tangwai]] movement, social movements (anti-nuke), political reform movements, Taiwan independence, etc. [[User:A-giau|A-giau]] 23:04, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

|+ '''Elder Gods'''

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| style="background:lightsalmon" | '''Name'''

| style="background:#ffdead;" | '''Epithet(s),<br>Other name(s)'''

| style="background:turquoise" | '''Description'''

| style="background:lemonchiffon" | '''[[Cthulhu mythos reference codes and bibliography|References]]'''

|-

| [[Bast (goddess)|Bast]] || ''Goddess of Cats'', <br>Pasht || Appears as a female human with a cat's head. || BR, MA, '''SU'''

|-

| [[Hypnos]] || ''Lord of Sleep'' || Unknown. || HP

|-

| [[Kthanid]]&#42; || ? || "Brother" to [[Cthulhu]]; appears similar but has golden eyes. || '''TC''', CD

|-

| [[Nodens (Cthulhu Mythos)|Nodens]] || ''Lord of the Great Abyss'' || Appears as an elderly, bearded, human male riding a huge seashell pulled by [[Legendary creature|legendary beasts]]. || DQ, GM, HW , NE, PN, '''HH'''

|-

| [[N'tse-Kaambl]]&#42; || ''Whose Splendor Hath Shattered Worlds'' || Appears as a beautiful, robed, human female bearing a shield and spear. || '''HW''', XI

|-

| [[Ulthar (Elder God)|Ulthar]] || Uldar || ? || GC, '''SX'''

|-

| [[Vordavoss]]&#42; || ''The Flaming One'', <br>''Lord of the Universal Spaces'', <br>''The Troubler of the Sands'', <br>''Who Waiteth in the Outer Dark'' || Appears as a cloaked, hooded being, enveloped in green flames, with fiery eyes; or a misty, silvery being not unlike [[Tawil-at-U'mr]] with an inhuman face. || '''EA''', IN, AE, WH

|-

| [[Yad-Thaddag]] || ? || Possibly Elder God equivalent of Outer God [[Yog-Sothoth]]. || '''EL'''

|-

|}

&#42; ''According to some sources, an Outer God''.

== disambiguation ==

Please do not move this page without discussing. This is by far the most famous and important DPP. The others are defunct or newly established. --[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 10:51, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Other appearances==

:Hi again. It is common use at the naming of parties Or other organizations, with the same name, to use a disambig page and add the country name to each of these parties. Indeed, the Taiwanese DPP is a famous and important party, but why should it be preferred to the presidential party of Malawi. So I just wanted to be consequent. [[User:Wilfried Derksen|Gangulf]] 10:54, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

*The Elder Gods have also been referenced in various [[OS-tan]] related comics. Those comics are at the moment relatively few and far between; however, an example of the typical style involves ME-tan given characteristics of [[Cthulhu]], such as tentacles and red eyes. The portrayal of the Elder Gods is not surprisingly inaccurate, in the same way that the references to the [[Norse mythology|Norse]] [[Norns]] are altered in the [[anime series]] ''[[Oh My Goddess!]]'' due to artistic licence.

It is more famous and of consequence than the party in Malawi because of the history involved (the one in Malawi was only formed this month) and its importance in Taiwan itself, which is a global hotspot when compared to Malawi. Just look at how many pages link here versus there... So i dont see a reason not to favor this one--[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 10:57, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

*A group of entities called [[Elder Gods (Mortal Kombat)|Elder Gods]] are part of the [[Mortal Kombat]] mythos.

This is a classic case of [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|"Primary topic" disambiguation]]: "if one meaning is clearly predominant, it remains...the general title. The top of the article provides a link to the other meanings." And we indeed should discuss before moving major topics, even only to see no comments (meaning no opposition). --[[User:Menchi|Menchi]] 11:22, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

*The predecessors of the current generation of gods in the [[Marvel Universe]] were also known as [[Elder Gods (Marvel Comics) | Elder Gods]] and were likely inspired by the Cthulhu Mythos.

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== External Links ==

*[http://lovecraft.cjb.net The Ultimate Cthulhu Mythos Book List] - Listing of all mythos novels, anthologies, collections, comic books, and more.

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DPP adopted a resolution titled 'Resolution on Taiwan's future' in 1999. It said that Taiwan is already an independent state, its present official name is Republic of China. According to this resolution, DPP already renounced Taiwan independence in 1999. Althought its charter still containes a provision for creation of a Republic of Taiwan.

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