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The '''United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court''' (or '''FISC''') is a [[United States federal courts|U.S. federal court]] authorized under {{UnitedStatesCode|50|1803}} and established by the [[Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act]] of [[1978]] (known as FISA for short). Its jurisdiction is to oversee requests for surveillance warrants by federal police agencies (primarily the [[Federal Bureau of Investigation|F.B.I.]]) against suspected foreign [[secret agent|intelligence agents]] inside the United States.
===[[Apollo 21]]===
 
There was never any such mission in the plans of NASA, or at least nothing official enough to get an "Apollo number". [[User:Evil Monkey|Evil Monkey]]∴[[User talk:Evil Monkey|Hello]] 21:43, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Each application for one of these surveillance warrant (called a FISA warrant) is made before an individual judge of the court. Like a [[grand jury]], FISC is not an [[Adversary system|adversarial court]]: the federal government is the only party to its proceedings. However, the court may allow third parties to submit briefs as ''[[amicus curiae|amici curiae]]''. If an application is denied by one judge of the FISC, the federal government is not allowed to make the same application to a different judge of the FISC. Instead, denials must be appealed to the [[United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review]]. Such appeals are rare: the first appeal from the FISC to the Court of Review was made in [[2002]], 24 years after the founding of the FISC.
:'''Keep'''. There are enough references to this around to justify an article, although this one isn't very good. http://www.arclight.net/~pdb/nonfiction/making-history.html
 
http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/mwade/flights/apollo19.htm
Because of the sensitive nature of its business, the FISC is a "secret court": its hearings are closed to the public, and, while records of the proceedings are kept, those records are also not available to the public. (Copies of those records with [[classified]] information redacted out can and have been made public.) Due to the classified nature of its proceedings, only government attorneys are usually permitted to appear before the FISC.
http://www.marsinstitute.info/rd/faculty/dportree/rtr/ap34-1.html
 
http://kosmos-news.kosmo.cz/kosmos231.htm [[User:Monicasdude|Monicasdude]] 22:11, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
When the court was founded, it was composed of seven [[United States district court|federal district]] judges appointed by the [[Chief Justice of the United States]], each serving a seven year term, with one judge being appointed each year. In [[2001]], the [[USA PATRIOT Act]] expanded the court to eleven judges, and required that at least three of the judges of the court be from within twenty miles of the [[District of Columbia]]. No judge may be appointed to this court more than once, and no judge may be appointed to both the Court of Review and the FISC.
*<s>'''Keep''' and mark for rewrite/expansion. [[User:Wiki_alf|Alf]] <sup><font color="green">[[User_talk:Wiki_alf|melmac]]</font></sup> 22:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)</s>
 
*'''Reserved''' I at first thought it was a typo for 12, but that really didn't make sense. If the links that are given above ''are'' tosh then I change to delete as I judged it on those. Someone should get the low down from horses mouth though, searching the NASA site picks up mentions of <u>cancelled</u> missions: if the plan ever existed and just never got off the drawing board it wasn't ''cancelled'' as such. If deleted, need to look at [[List of lunar astronauts]] which the original editor has also contributed to. [[User:Wiki_alf|Alf]] <sup><font color="green">[[User_talk:Wiki_alf|melmac]]</font></sup> 09:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''', since [http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_18_20.html NASA said] it only went up to 20. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 22:38, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Comment'''. Although it is nice to have speculated what might have been, NASA only ever ordered 15 [[Saturn V]]s. That only takes you through to [[Apollo 20]]. [[User:Evil Monkey|Evil Monkey]]&#8756;[[User talk:Evil Monkey|Hello]] 22:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as fictional - no A21 planned or possible by 1969; the existence of this would have involved restarting huge swathes of closed production, and certainly wouldn't have been in an advanced enough stage of planning to name names. Even 20 was pretty much abandoned by this point. [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] 22:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
**Come to think of it... probably worth setting up a single article for Apollos 18-20 ([[Cancelled Apollo missions]]? Would be able to work in the I-class and so on as well), and we could merge this in. As it stands there's not much that can usefully be said on any individual one of them. All of them had about a dozen possible landing sites, the crews for them all are equally debatable... [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] 22:52, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
***Good idea. The three of them are all pretty formulated at the moment - "Apollo x was a cancelled Apollo flight. It would have been flown by blah. The rocket and spacecraft it would have used were used by blah". [[User:Evil Monkey|Evil Monkey]]&#8756;[[User talk:Evil Monkey|Hello]] 00:36, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
****Done. [[Apollo 18]], [[Apollo 19|19]], [[Apollo 20|20]] which already existed are now redirected to [[Cancelled Apollo missions]]. Of [[Apollo 21]] is kept, we could just redirect it to this new article. [[User:Evil Monkey|Evil Monkey]]&#8756;[[User talk:Evil Monkey|Hello]] 05:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
*****And there I was expecting to write it in a month or so! Thanks. I think I'll write in a chunk on "Apollo 21", since I now think I see how the mistake got spread, and we can just redirect this in - as it is, it's pretty meaningless. [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] 11:18, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
*****I've worked it out. Apollo 21 was really just an early name for AS-515, which we know as Apollo 20. Because, you see, in early 1968 they didn't expect Apollo 8 to be a Saturn V flight, so AS-503 would have been Apollo ''9'', not ''8''... and then adding twelve to that would take you to Apollo 21. Makes sense? Definitely '''redirect''' to [[Cancelled Apollo missions]]. [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] 11:59, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as unverified beyond a couple of websites that could have made a simple error, plus the NASA statement saying only up to 20. I'm also skeptical that the mission would have been cancelled in 1969... I look forward to seeing an article on the other cancelled missions. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 02:46, 10 September 2005 (UTC)