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{{Infobox CVG| title = Sonic R
Because of their length, the previous discussions on this page have been archived.
|image = [[Image:SonicR.jpg|200px|box cover]]
:(See [[Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page]])
|developer = [[Traveller's Tales]]
|publisher = [[Sega]]
|designer =
|engine =
|released = [[1997]], [[1999]]
|genre = [[Racing game|Racing]]
|modes = [[Single player]], [[multiplayer]]
|ratings = [[Entertainment Software Rating Board|ESRB]]:Kids to Adults(K-A)
|platforms = [[Personal computer|PC]], [[Sega Saturn|Saturn]]
|media =
|requirements =
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}}[[Image:Super_Sonic_Racing.jpg|200px|thumb|right|A screenshot of the [[Personal computer|PC]] version of ''Sonic R''.]]
 
'''''Sonic R''''' (the R stands for racing) is a [[racing game]] developed by [[Traveller's Tales]] and [[Sonic Team]] for the [[Sega Saturn]] and [[Personal computer|PC]], the latter version being ported to the [[Nintendo GameCube|GameCube]] and [[PlayStation 2]] in ''[[Sonic Gems Collection]]''. It features characters from the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' series. The game is characterized by the same sense of environmental openness in the Sonic [[platform game|platformers]]. It contains colorful [[3D computer graphics|3D]] [[computer graphics|graphics]] combined with a strong soundtrack by [[Richard Jacques]] (including songs performed by [[Great Britain|British]] [[singer]] [[T. J. Davis]]). The Saturn version has a severe case of graphical pop-up while the PC version is generally much cleaner (although it sometimes has issues installing/running on [[Windows XP]] and later).
'''Previous discussions:'''
*[[User talk:Hydnjo/Archive01|Archive 1 (27 Nov 2004 to 31 Dec 2004)]]:
*[[User talk:Hydnjo/Archive02|Archive 2 (1 Jan 2005 to 31 Mar 2005)]]:
*[[User talk:Hydnjo/Archive03|Archive 3 (1 Apr 2005 to 30 Apr 2005)]]:
*[[User talk:Hydnjo/Archive04|Archive 4 (1 May 2005 to 31 May 2005)]]:
*[[User talk:Hydnjo/Archive05|Archive 5 (1 June 2005 to 30 June 2005)]]:
 
==Gameplay==
[[Image:Hydnjo.JPG|frame|right|Heidi & Joe]]
There are several collectable rings across each of the five racetracks. Each ring regenerates after a short period of time. These rings can serve one of three purposes.
==This is the place to talk, explain, complain, or flame. ==
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{{Welcome}} --[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 21:41, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
 
* Stepping on a speed boost will consume all of a player's rings, to a maximum of 50, and boost the player ahead along a preset path. The boost is at a speed approximately three times the normal maximum speed of a character and lasts for a duration [[Proportionality (mathematics)|proportional to]] the number of rings deducted.
* Special doors on the tracks can open if a player reaches them with twenty or fifty rings (depending on the door). Twenty-ring doors frequently hide tokens, shortcuts, or both. Fifty-ring doors frequently hide Chaos Emeralds, shortcuts, or both. After being opened, the doors remain open for all players for the duration of the game.
* Some characters can perform an attack for 10 rings (see below).
 
There are also inexhaustible emblem bonuses. Touching an emblem gives the racer one of multiple possible rewards, including a random number of rings and the bubble and lightning shields that appeared in ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog 3]]''. The bubble shield allows the racer to walk on water once, after which it disappears. The lightning shield attracts rings to itself, but is eliminated upon touching water (or after having it for a long enough time).
 
There are five racers in each race. The four racers selected depend on what character the player chooses. If the player chooses a secret character, he'll face the other secret characters that have been unlocked. If the player chooses a starting character, he races against the other starting characters. For the purposes of selecting the racers, Dr. Robotnik is treated as a starting character.
== Speedy Deletes ==
 
Racers can run on water for a limited period of time, and can "swim" in it indefinetely, at greatly reduced speed. In addition, each of the ten playable characters has a different speed and a unique set of abilities. Unlike most racing games, these abilities are designed such that certain characters, even among characters that are initially playable, have a clear edge over others.
I understand, but I usually am using <nowiki>{{del}}</nowiki> for very obvious speedy deletes. Does over-the-top nonsense and vanity require that we waste time explaining what is so plainly obvious? --[[User:Girolamo Savonarola|Girolamo Savonarola]] July 1, 2005 17:50 (UTC)
 
===Main characters===
== Bcat's WikiBank ==
The following are the characters that are initially playable:
 
* [[Sonic]] is the fastest of the characters that are initially playable. He can double jump.
Hi hydnjo. I've answered your username question at [[User talk:Bcat/Bank]]. Also, be sure to check out the offer to make 5β at [[User:Bcat/Bank#Currency]] — '''[[User:Bcat|Bcat]]''' ([[User talk:Bcat|talk]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Bcat|email]]) 6 July 2005 03:03 (UTC)
* [[Tails]] can fly at a fixed level for an unlimited period of time.
* [[Knuckles]] can glide for an unlimited period of time, gradually losing height. However, he cannot latch onto or climb walls as in all other games in which he has appeared.
* [[Amy Rose]] drives a car and can hover over water. She also has the ability to use a speed boost, although she can't turn very well while doing so. She is extremely slow.
 
==Link=Secret colorscharacters===
The secret characters, with the exception of [[Super Sonic]], can be unlocked by collecting all five coins on a racetrack and finish first, second, or third. Upon doing so, the player will be challenged by one of the following characters, depending on the racetrack:
Thanks for being so ready and willing to help out a fellow Classic-skin user in distress. As far as I can see (at least here, on my machine), #800080 is where the colour used to be. Panic over. Cheers, [[User:Hajor|&ndash;''Hajor'']] 7 July 2005 04:27 (UTC)
 
* [[Dr. Robotnik]] ([[Doctor Eggman|Dr. Eggman]] in the [[Japan]]ese version), who races in his personal [[hi-tech]] [[aircraft]], can do a short-range [[heat-seeking]] attack at a cost of 10 rings. The attack will eliminate the target's shield if it has one and slow it down if it does not. He is particularly slow.
:In passing: Do you get that awful Classic display bug whereby pictures line up horizontally instead of vertically (eg, on [[Medinet Habu (___location)]])? I'm utterly delighted after playing around with my standard.css and including the <code> div.tright, div.floatright, table.floatright { clear:right; } </code> line, which solves it. Never worked for me before but, as we saw on the Pump, I was having caching issues. All fixed now! [[User:Hajor|&ndash;''Hajor'']] 7 July 2005 05:01 (UTC)
* [[Metal Sonic]] is an improved version of its counterpart. It has a very high single jump and doesn't fall into water if it constantly jumps.
* [[Tails Doll]] can hover on water. Additionally, it can hover indefinetely a certain distance above the ground or water. Some say he can come out of the TV and "get" people, but that is not true
* [[Metal Knuckles]] is an improved version of its counterpart. It has a much better glide than Knuckles. It is notably fast. Also, it is one of the more difficult secret characters to obtain.
* [[Eggrobo]] is a [[humanoid]] [[robot]] whose head and body are shaped like an egg. Its abilities are similar to those of Robotnik, but it is slow compared to the other secret characters.
 
===Super Sonic===
== Searles Castle ==
[[Super Sonic]] is the fastest racer, and also the hardest to unlock. He can double jump and can run on the surface of water, provided that he does not slow down. To unlock him, the player must collect all seven [[Chaos Emerald]]s scoured throughout the five racetracks. When a player collects one, he must finish in first place to keep it.
 
When playing as Super Sonic in the Radiant Emerald stage, the music is different; it plays the Sonic R theme song (''Super Sonic Racing'') instead of ''Diamond in the Sky''.
I was on RC Patrol and that IP happened to edit a couple of things on my Watchlist - it turns out that it was probably a bot, since it made about 75 edits, changing "is" to "will be" and "a" to "an" and other annoying things. [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] 8 July 2005 16:30 (UTC)
 
===Other modes===
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Aside from the main game, there are three special gameplay modes accessible from Time Attack mode: reverse, in which racing occurs facing the opposite direction, break five balloons, and tag four players.
== ? ==
 
==Versions==
Who are you talking to [[User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Personal_Abuse|here]], and what is your meaning? I honestly have no idea,
For the PC version the graphics were somewhat modified. For example races occur in random weather conditions, either normal, rainy, or snowy, unless the default settings are altered. Snowy weather freezes the water so that racers can run across it without sinking.
 
The version of the game in ''Sonic Gems Collection'' is similar to the PC version. Minor differences include that there is no Network option on the main menu and that the Options menu is slightly different.
[[User:Sam Spade|¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸]][[User talk:Sam Spade|¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Emailuser&target=Sam_Spade ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸] 8 July 2005 23:29 (UTC)
 
:*I was reacting to:
::''I said on the description page that if you didn't like it, I would delete it, you asshole. You are a completely absurd person, fuck you. [[User:John Kenney|john]] [[User_talk:John Kenney|k]] 7 July 2005 15:05 (UTC)''
I think that an Admin should be more ...well... ''more''.
[[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 9 July 2005 00:20 (UTC)
 
{{SonicGames}}
Ah, yeah, I agree. Its a weird situation. I don't know how on earth things escalated that way, but I am trying to find an answer thats good for the article. [[User:Sam Spade|¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸]][[User talk:Sam Spade|¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Emailuser&target=Sam_Spade ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸] 9 July 2005 00:26 (UTC)
[[Category:PC games]]
 
[[Category:Sega Saturn games]]
:Fine. I just want an Admin to represent this project in a way that ... well you know what I mean. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 9 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)
[[Category:Sonic the Hedgehog games]]
 
[[Category:Racing computer games]]
Yeah, there is the note on Jimbo's talk page, and abother [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-July/026048.html on the mailing list] to that affect. Maybe an [[RfC]] should be filed, but I'm unconvinced it would help, particularly if I created it. [[User:Sam Spade|¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸]][[User talk:Sam Spade|¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Emailuser&target=Sam_Spade ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸] 9 July 2005 00:35 (UTC)
[[Category: 1997 computer and video games]]
 
[[Category: 1998 computer and video games]]
:Well shoot. I sure don't have the standing around here to do much except to complain. On the other hand Sam, your voice is quite respected. So do what ''you'' think is appropriate. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 9 July 2005 00:53 (UTC)
[[fr:Sonic R]]
 
 
== Yes, that was me, unfortunately ==
 
Not one of my prouder moments on wikipedia, I'm afraid... [[User:John Kenney|john]] [[User_talk:John Kenney|k]] 9 July 2005 01:08 (UTC)
 
::Well don't do it again or someone ''will'' whack you upside o' the head! [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 9 July 2005 01:22 (UTC)
 
:::Hydnjo, you do realize that if that '''wasn't''' him, i. e. if John Kenney's account has been compromised, then that reply probably also isn't him? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 9 July 2005 01:29 (UTC)
::::I suppose thats possible. "''How will we ever know''" seems like a song title. When I checked [[User:John Kenney|John's]] contributions they seemed legitimate. Do you have other evidence? [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 9 July 2005 01:48 (UTC)
 
==Still alive and kicking!==
 
:==Hey==
:Hey Ralph, good to see you're still around and kickin' ***. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 9 July 2005 02:52 (UTC)
 
 
::LOL! Yeah, I'm still here {blush}. Bustin' out several new articles, too! I just got through with [[Eagle Mountain, California]] which, in the wisdom of the wiki, credited not me but my damned ISP address. Shoot. Other than that, things are going well! My other new articles are [[BNSF Harbor Subdivision]], [[Rice, California]], [[Alameda Corridor]], [[Arizona-California Railway]] and [[Los Angeles and Mount Washington Railway Company]], another anon article thanks to a wiki glitch. Since I'm in a "railfan" mood, I'm trying to bring [[Disneyland Railroad]] to featured status. Looks good! Peer review is coming back positive. Needs more pictures, but I'm heading out there next week anyway, camera in tow. Added a couple of pictures to [[ParkZone]]. I'm especially proud of my radio-controlled Cub that I painted as an L-4 Grasshopper surveillance plane. Stay in touch...love you guys!! - [[User:Lucky 6.9|Lucky 6.9]] 9 July 2005 03:22 (UTC)
 
:::*Oh yeah! We'll be watchin' you. You are an inspiration to us newbies. We are ''so'' glad that you're back. And we'll be takin' a look at your new stuff to see if we can help. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 9 July 2005 03:48 (UTC)
 
Watch away, my friends! And, feel free to weigh in on the [[Disneyland Railroad]] article for better or worse. I'm overdue for a featured article. :) - [[User:Lucky 6.9|Lucky 6.9]] 9 July 2005 04:12 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
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== reply on help desk ==
 
Hi - I just wanted to make sure you see my latest response on the help desk about finding when an article went FA. I really didn't mean my question as a snarky comment, and I'm sorry I phrased it in a way that it COULD be taken that way. I actually spend a lot of time responding to questions at the help desk and other forums here partly because some of the other folks who respond are snarky (and mean it), and I think it's completely inappropriate. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 03:38, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 
:Thank you for your kind concern. My response to you was sarcastic and I shouldn't have. Sorry about that. Anyway, it was proposed by [[User:Elfguy|Elfguy]] that the discussion be moved to [[WP:VP]]. I don't quite know how to do that soooo.... if you agree, could you help by moving the discussion there? I have made this same request to Elfguy at [[WP:HD]]. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 18:57, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== WDWR ad link ==
 
''Hey Brian, Could you take a look at the edit at 13:59, 10 July 2005 by 24.110.102.234. It seem like an ad link to me but I'd like your opinion so as to not rv a legitimate link. I'm sure that every travel agent would like to advertise here. Regards, [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 18:32, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
:''OK, I get it. Thanks. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 19:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
::Sorry if you wanted to remove the link, and I stole it out from under you! :) Good call - that was a rather blatant advertising link. I'm not even sure we should have links to other Disney sites from the Disney articles, but since they're large fan sites, I'm leaving the others for now. - Brian Kendig 19:42, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 
:::''No problem. So what if you're '''bolder''' than me. ;-) As always, cheers from [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 20:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
== Who (The team)==
 
LOL. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<font color="orange">&gt;|&lt;</font>]] 21:36, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 
''I'm sorry, I just can't help myself. So, anyway [[User:Who|who's]] on first? And [[User:Howabout1|how about]] second? And, is that [[User:Y0u|you]] on third? [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 21:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
:''So, the challenge is to come up with an outfield and pehaps even a pitcher. Happy hunting! [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 21:43, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
::''I suppose a User named [[User:Lefty|lefty]] would come in handy. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 21:56, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
:::''As would a [[User:Fielder|fielder]]. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 22:00, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
::::''Even better, a [[User:Rf|right fielder]]. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 23:21, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
== You ==
 
Are you two people using the same account? [[User:Howabout1|Howabout1]] [[user talk:howabout1|<sup><span style="color:red">Talk to me!</span></sup>]] 01:41, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 
:''Yes. My wife Heidi is blind so we collaborate. She does the thinking and I do the typing. That's why it's Heidi ''and'' Joe (hydnjo). ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 01:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
::Great. Thanks. [[User:Howabout1|Howabout1]] [[user talk:howabout1|<sup><span style="color:red">Talk to me!</span></sup>]] 01:54, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 
==Serialism==
 
Hey Heidi & Joe, how's it going!
 
I saw the brushfire over at [[serialism]] and left a note on the talk page. Honestly, their version was pretty good; so was Stirling's. I'm afraid it's gonna have to be talked out.... one can always hope. :-) Hope all is well with you! [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 02:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 
:''Thanks for getting back . All is well with us. We just saw the dust-up and thought it needed more attention than we could provide. If it's going well then we're sorry to have wasted your time. Thanks very much for looking into it and re-assuring us that all was on the up-and-up. [[User:Hydnjo|Heidi & Joe]]''
 
::Oh you didn't waste my time at all! :-) I just happened to see the note you left for Lucky; I didn't have [[serialism]] on my watch list so otherwise I would never have known ... Take care, [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 03:34, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== [[ethylene glycol]] ==
 
It belongs in the sense of mentioning the subject, but not in the sense of adding any useful information. The linked [[Apollo 1]] article already has that link and it's much more relevant there. Thanks for the catch. --[[User:Laurascudder|Laura Scudder]] | [[User talk:Laurascudder|Talk]] 20:26, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== Bank of WP ==
 
You know, I really dislike reverting talk page edits, but what else do you do with someone who evades blocks? The Bank of Wikipedia stuff itself was no big deal in and of itself, but the block evasion is another matter. So yes, an annoying pebble. And I apologize for reverting stuff on your talk page, most people don't like that, and I know it. [[User:UninvitedCompany|The Uninvited]] Co., [[User_talk:UninvitedCompany|Inc.]] 19:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== If you dont like BoW Bank, you can always usubscribe from it. ==
So please drop us a note, in our talk page. yours truly. [[User:BoW Bank Employee33|BoW Bank Employee33]] 07:01, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== A terrible disaster! Your deposit is 104 BoW coins.==
We are not pleased to announce you that a fire took place in your [[User:Bank_of_Wikipedia/Hydnjo | account locker]] and all your previous transactions have been destroyed. Fortunately our trusted employees managed to keep in their backups how much coins you owned just before the disaster. To avoid any future disaster of your account locker, all your transactions along with your current deposit in our Bank will be mentioned for now on in your talk page, which seems to be more fire proof than your account locker in "Bank_of_Wikipedia" userspace was. '''Your deposit is 104 BoW coins'''. Please leave us a message, in your or in our talk page, in case your dont like your account in our bank anymore. We are terribly sorry for any inconvenience. Yours faithfully. [[User:BoW Bank Employee33|BoW Bank Employee33]] 10:59, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 
==How to Program a Computer (From [[WP:RD]])==
 
So, here I am. With all this computing power and I can't do any programming. I'd like to tell my computer my ''latitude'' and ''longitude'' and instruct it to tell me where the ''Sun'' or ''Moon'' is right now. Or, tell it the ''givens'' in a [[Sudoku]] puzzle and have my computer work out the solution, or just give hints as desired. I know how to do the ''instructions'' via some programming language, I just don't know what program to buy (get) to do general stuff like that.
 
I know how to make an HP48 sing and dance but it's way too slow and memory limited to do anything really complex. So again, what programming language (program) would anyone suggest that I acquire for general purpose programming and which would of course include some graphics capability. Thanks for your suggestions as I don't want to buy something stupid. Probably relevant is that I'm using a Mac with OS 10.3.
 
Sorry for presenting such a difficult (obtuse) question but I'm hoping that someone can help me out. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 01:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 
 
:''Look, if you're clever enough to program a HP48, you're clever enough to learn any general purpose programming language (though [[INTERCAL programming language|INTERCAL]] might be a challenge...).''
 
:''If your primary interest is doing mathematically-oriented work, you may be interested in languages/systems like [[Matlab]] and its free workalike [[GNU Octave]], or perhaps a [[computer algebra system]] (which is also essentially a specialised programming language) like [[Mathematica]]. You can try the free [[GNU Maxima]] but there's a fairly large capability and usability gap between the free and the proprietary computer algebra systems at this stage. ''
 
:''For general-purpose programming, you have a wide range of choices. You can download [[Perl programming language|Perl]], [[Python programming language|Python]], [[Java programming language|Java]], as well as C and C++ compilers and tools for free, though free tools to simplify the process of building [[GUI]]s might be a little harder to come by (there's a number of them for Linux, but I don't know the situation on OS X). I'd suggest you have a play with what's available for free before spending your hard-earned cash.''
 
:''One more suggestion - if you're interested in solving puzzles like sudoku, finite ___domain [[constraint programming]] makes it a complete doddle (it's easier to write the program than solve one puzzle by hand). The free GNU [[Prolog]] comes with such a solver. --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 02:19, 21 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
As a generalization, I'm not looking for a ''solver'' but instead, a programming language so that I can develop my own ''solver'', [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 
:Thank you for your comprehensive response. I'll look into it all. I just didn't know where to start. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:34, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 
::Response to [[User talk:Robert Merkel |Robert Merkel]]:
::''Many thanks for your comprehensive response at WP:RD. I'll look into it all, I just didn't know where to start. Feel free to provide additional stuff (there or on my talk page) as to whatever comes to mind. hydnjo talk 02:44, 21 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
:::''I've heard it said that [[Java programming language|Java]] is good to start with, as it apparently teaches clean syntax and good habits, and also provides quick results and essentially renders programs that can work in most any operating system. Java is a private language, however - it is controlled by Sun Microsystems. I would personally start with something like [[C programming language|C]] (or [[C Plus Plus|C++]]), as it's pretty much the base most popular programming languages of today were inspired by, but I'm a pretty unusual person and into chronological order. C is also quite [[Low-level programming language|low-level]] compared to [[Perl]], [[Python programming language|Python]], [[Ruby programming language|Ruby]] and [[Java programming language|Java]]. Check out what the internet thinks: [http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/pub/lang_srom.html Programming Languages: The Internet's Current Opinion]. &brvbar; [[User:Reisio|Reisio]] 03:01, 2005 July 21 (UTC)''
 
::::''I'd recommend [[Java programming language|Java]] (although I'm a C++ programmer - Java is much cleaner). Download java from [http://www.java.sun.com Sun] and [http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/ Thinking in Java] by [[Bruce Eckel]], and have fun.-[[User:Gadfium|gadfium]] 03:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
== re: Hellmann's and Best Foods ==
 
Yes, I have meant to some research on the ''company'', Best Foods, but I have not gotten around to doing it yet. So I would appreciate it if you could also add some content too.
 
BTW, my username is named after the infamous [[Zzyzx Road]] in [[California]]. And I've never really had the pleasure of writing nor of interacting with you two yet, even though I have seen you guys around the place. Anyway, take care. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 04:36, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== [[Monty Hall problem]] ==
 
It's quite possible the Monty Hall talk page will be forever burdened by people who either don't get it or are fixated on the "right" interpretation and "know" all the rest must be a red herring... It's actually not Wikipedia's job to serve as a discussion forum for debunking such ideas over and over again, but it's probably unavoidable. :-) [[User:82.92.119.11|82.92.119.11]] 20:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 
Thanks for your comments relating to the diagram I did. I've just seen the discussion page and... good grief. I would have stayed out of the discussion, but someone critcised my diagram, so I had t defend it :-). Interestingly, the person critcising it failed to notcie the real error on it (two of teh labels were the wrong way round), which was spotted by [[User: Jarvis|Jarvis]]. I shall stay well away, unless said diagram gets changed. [[User:Tompw|Tompw]] 10:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 
==User:Gong Bank==
''Thanks for looking after my ''talkspace''. For the record I have no problem with you or others rving inappropriate edits to my ''talk'' page. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)''
 
Not a prob, I just feel bad for the users that still have like 10 posts on their page that weren't removed, makes for a long pointless talkpage. I did check to make sure that someone like [[User:UninvitedCompany|UninvitedCompany]] previously rv'd a BoW post before doing it, I hate rv'n a users talk page, but figured this type of vandalism warranted it. Salut. <font color=#FF0033>[[Special:Contributions/Who|&infin;]]</font>[[User:Who|Who]][[User talk:Who|<font color=#00Ff00>?</font><font color=#FF00FF>&iquest;</font><font color=#0033FF>?</font>]] 06:02, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== Hyphens ==
 
When an adjective plus noun are used as a noun phrase (such as "water lily") no hyphen is normally used, but when they're used adjectivally one normally is. This avoids ambiguity; for example in "I said hello to the French bread seller" did I greet a seller of French bread, or a French seller of bread? If the former, then one should write "the French-bread seller" (and preferably, if the latter, "French bread-seller"). Rather than trying to work out when ambiguity is possible and when not, it's usual to use the hyphen in all adejectival uses of such phrases. (I hope that that's clear; I wrote it in a bit of a rush.) --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</font>)]] 08:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 
:Yes, that sound good to me (so long as it doesn't cause offence &mdash; I mean, it sounds a bit sexually explicit...). --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</font>)]] 14:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== Hydroseeding ==
 
Seems that you have some interest in this subject. I just re-orged this article and merged in the topic on hydromulch. If you get a chance, have a look and see if you can improve or expand..... [[User:Ike9898|ike9898]] 13:35, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 
== Computer programming ==
 
I had a question about computer programming and learning C recently, I thought maybe the answers that I got might help you out too... It can be found [[Wikipedia:Reference_desk#Learning_C_on_a_Mac|here]]. [[User:Dismas|Dismas]] 17:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== [[User_talk:JeremyStein|Homonym compliment]] ==
Thanks for the compliment! That was my first major edit to an article. Before now, I've just fixed typos, wording, etc. I was worried someone would be mad that I changed his or her words. I'm still not completely happy with it, but I think it's better than it was. I just wanted to prevent anyone else from being confused the same way I was. I feel emboldened by your feedback. Thanks! By the way, should I have posted this as a response on my talk page? [[User:JeremyStein|JeremyStein]] 17:57, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 
== Air France ==
 
Yeah, don't worry, that would have been an okay move for you to make. You'd have been moving it over a redirect that directed to that page, and the redirect was the only edit - that's the only circumstance that someone can move an article over an existing article. :) --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 18:39, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
 
I put the two images in a table, does that help? -- [[User:Curps|Curps]] 02:48, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 
== ESL ==
 
Thanks for your help on the reference desk. I'm so happy I have another resource to use. I used [[ESL]] to mean "English as a Second Langauge". See you around! --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 00:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 
== Thanks so much! ==
 
Hi, guys! Yeah, I made it! Thanks for the support. I shall wield the mop and bucket with care and diligence. :) - [[User:Lucky 6.9|Lucky 6.9]] 19:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 
== homework ==
 
did I commit a faux pas by doing what's probably someone's homework? -[[User:Lethe|Lethe]] | [[User talk:Lethe|Talk]] 01:21, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 
:''No. Not at all. I was just calling attention to the obvious. Sometimes I think that folks are getting a ''free ride'' from us which does us no harm, on the contrary, shows our willingness to help out. For me personally, I judge each question individually. If I think that I'm showing someone ''how to fish'' rather than ''giving them a handout'', then I will answer accordingly. Just use your own judgement. I didn't mean to suggest that you were doing anything wrong and my sincere apology for coming across otherwise. Please continue to be as helpful as you see fit. I feel badly and I apologize if my comments intimidated you in any way. :-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 01:55, 14 August 2005 (UTC)''
::That question "find a formula that relates n^3 and 100n" was pretty ridiculous. I think he or she must have been misreading the question. I think my reply was more an attempt to show that the question is trivial than an honest answer. -[[User:Lethe|Lethe]] | [[User talk:Lethe|Talk]] 07:57, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 
:''And also, I know how wonderful you must feel if you can contribute to someone's understanding of ''Mathematics''. ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:13, 14 August 2005 (UTC)''
::Oh, indeed. The only thing more enjoyable than to successfully teach new mathematics to a willing student is to learn new mathematics from a willing teacher. Unfortunately, with lousy homework problems like this, you're probably not teaching anyone anything. -[[User:Lethe|Lethe]] | [[User talk:Lethe|Talk]] 07:57, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 
== Question Desk ==
 
I don't know if you're bored of this by now, but I wanted to let you know that my request at [[Template:MainPageIntro]] (a template included on the main page) to include a link to [[WP:QD]] has been completely ignored for about 8 days, despite admins repeatedly editing the page for other reasons. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 04:26, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
:Incidentally, I noticed the picture on your user page. Is this account shared between two people? [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 04:31, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 
::Yes, ''Hydnjo'' is a contraction for Heidi and Joe. Heidi, my wife, is blind so we share this username. She has a lot of ideas about this project and so we collaborate. You didn't think all of my rants were coming from one person did you? And no, I'm not bored at all about the [[WP:QD]] project.
:: Anyway, you've been away for about a week now and so the catalyst ('''you''') has been missing. I do believe that the inertia around here is ... well... significant. So, now that you're back, it is probably time to mount an effort to call attention to this proposal. My past experience suggests that there will be mighty resistance to our proposal, well intended or not; it makes me tired just to think about it.
::So, what we are about is to reduce the annoying questions posted at the incorrect '''desk'''. We hear many complaints but so far no resonable solution offered except for this [[WP:QD]] triage place. No mind, this suggestion will be resisted fiercely, regardless of merit. No, I'm not bored, but I am discouraged. It has been my experience that new proposals are often not so much discussed but rather ignored (and thus dismissed).
::I'll try to call attention to this by posing this effort with a few admins and see what happens. Then, unless there is some overwhelming reason to back-off we should just be '''bold''' and introduce a link on the ''Main page''. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 05:31, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
:::I did post it on the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]]. However, it remains to be seen whether that will do any good. If you have connections with admins, tell them to look at the request at [[Template talk:MainPageIntro]]. I would post it to the main page myself, but anything there is proteted from editing. As for "Heidi and Joe", I don't mind that you're sharing an account, but I don't know of any other accounts that are shared, so it's interesting.[[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 05:51, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
::::An admin has told me he doesn't want to add the link to the main page. I'm at least glad he bothered to comment. He also suggested that I ask for people to put it on the [[Wikipedia:Community portal|community portal]]. Since that page is unprotected, I took the liberty of doing it myself(I love wikis). It's now on that page in two places. Tell me how long it takes you to find each. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 01:53, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 
==Featured Article date==
 
<small> Message to [[User:Superm401|Superm401]]</small>
 
 
''I'm an avid ''Wikipedia'' reader. One of the things that interests me is the evolution of articles. Of most interest is how an article evolves ''after'' it has been published as a ''featured article'' on the ''Main page''. After having some difficulty with finding the spesific revision of the article on it's ''Main page'' publication date I made a proposal to include that date within the "Featured article" template. Well, "''excuse me''" for suggesting such a stupid idea was pretty much the response I got. So, I'll just read for a while until my ego heals.''
 
''As much as I favor the [[WP:AQ]] concept and the good that it would do for the project, I don't seem to have the ''fire in my belly'' to help out any more. Best wishes and good luck, [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)''
 
==[[WP:AQ]] at community portal==
 
<small> Message to [[User:Superm401|Superm401]]</small>
 
''Good job with placing [[WP:AQ]] (twice). It was pretty easy to spot both locations (amid the sea of blue links) because of the color change that happens on recently visited links. Please forgive my moody comments above. I still believe that the optimal ___location is the ''Main page'' for the obvious reasons that we've discussed. But hey, community portal is an excellent start. I'll continue to support and initiate any efforts to get increased exposure for new users. Also, I'll see if I can get some admin support. In better spirits today ... ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 20:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)''
:Doubt anyone will even notice the change. Besides, I've been yelled at before here. I'm not about to leave in protest. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 20:15, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
::On a totally unrelated note, has Heidi tried [[Wikipedia:Spoken Wikipedia]]? [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 20:19, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
 
== current date for an article ==
 
Hi - Not sure if you're still watching the thread you started at [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Featured_article_date]], but if you want to put the current date in an article you can type 5 ~ characters (like signing a talk page, but one more). If you want, you could create a template that takes an argument (the date) and generates the standard text so you'd edit the talk page and add a line like: <nowiki>{{subst:featureddate|~~~~~}}</nowiki>. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 04:31, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
:So, what exactly do you want the template to do? I certainly know how to mess with templates. Do you want something like "featureddate" as described above (that would expand to the text you've added by hand)? -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 19:08, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
::I just discovered that there's an archive by month, see [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article]]. This means a google search can likely be used to discover the date, for example searching for ''site:en.wikipedia.org "today's featured article" "Monty Hall problem"'' yields a hit to the July 2005 by month archive, and from there getting the exact date is no problem. Is this good enough? Given the archives, it wouldn't be hard at all to write a program that would construct a complete index as well. Let me know what you think. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 22:01, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
 
:So, searching at google for ''site:en.wikipedia.org "big bang" "today's featured article"'' I see it was featured in Feb 2005, and looking at the Feb 2005 archive page (which is the top google hit in this case), I see it was featured on Feb 23. I gather you'd prefer some method in the article itself or its talk page, but as long as the date can be determined fairly easily do you care how it's done (and it sounds like you might)? We could change the "featured" template to take a date as an argument (actually, without changing it you can add "|date" and the date will be in the wikisource but not used for anything). Doing anything like this would likely require cooperation from the featured article editor, but we could ask. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 23:08, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
::I noticed the overlapping edits as well (sigh). Before your last message to me I left a request on Raul654's talk page (not noticing the previous discussion you had with him). I guess we'll see what he says. I think the bottom line is likely if he doesn't see any utility in doing it he won't. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 23:44, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
:Re promotion date vs. publication date - I understand your point, although I think the case for manually doing something to preserve the publication date given the existence of the archives is actually weaker than the case to manually do something to preserve the promotion date (which, I think, is currently really hard to figure out). In particular, I don't think anyone actually touches the articles (or their talks) as they are featured on the main page (I think it all happens "out of band") so I'd expect Mark to be more resistant to adding such a step. Promotion to featured requires touching the talk - slightly changing the touch doesn't seem like it should be a big deal. If we can get him to agree to this (small) step, then let's pursue the next step. Even if he doesn't agree to do anything about the publication date, the data is available. I've written an indexer for CFD discussions (see [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Archive_debates]]). It wouldn't be very hard to write a similar script to generate an index for articles featured on the main page. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 00:40, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, after [[Monty Hall problem]] hit the main page I couldn't keep up with the changes. It's calmed down a bit now and I've thought about rereading it, but haven't gotten around to it. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 01:22, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
 
== adminship ==
 
Actually, I'm a little surprised no one has dredged up [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&diff=prev&oldid=13071938 this edit]. Sage advice - don't drink and edit. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 04:08, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
:Evil is a little harder. Actually evil is a LOT harder. Can't think of anything. Go f--- yourself :). -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 04:19, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
::Aha! I've always thought that those were some of my best ('''boldest''') edits. I must admit however, that I have hade to rv a few of them. I tend to be [[User:Bashfool|bashfool]] sometimes as I take note of the overwhelming talent around here. So, I sometimes drink ''and'' edit (god and his spirits help us all). And, how exactly ''does'' one f--- himself? Jeesh ... ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 04:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:::Er, never-mind, I found the [http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=380 link]. ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 05:06, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 
::::I thought you were going to be gone for a while (see below) - or are you back? -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 23:20, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
 
::::conspicuous? nah. I try to be nice - even to trolls. They're people, too. Maybe [[user:Coolcat]] will break the monotony (see [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Func]]). -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 01:32, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 
==Buh-bye==
For now. Later. ;-)
:Come back soon. I've taken the liberty of adding [[WP:AQ]] to the main page talk header. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 17:48, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
::Well, why did you post Buh-bye to my talk if you weren't leaving? And no, I didn't wish you were leaving. :) [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 03:39, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 
:::''Just in a funky mood that night and and sometimes guilty of ''EWI''. Sorry about the mixup. ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 16:02, 20 August 2005 (UTC)''
 
:::Ah now I see it in the Edit Summary on 21:25, 14 August 2005. Jeesh I guess I was ''EUI''. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 
==Left Bank of the Merrimack==
Thanks for catching that, sadly enough, I haven't updated that blog and done that show in awhile now due to my Wikiholism... [[User:Karmafist|Karmafist]] 18:34, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
:Cool, I just started an a Real Estate Agency in Londonderry! Small world, huh? Also, i'm wondering if you've seen The Wikipedians in New Hampshire Category yet, you just need to add <nowiki> [[Category:Wikipedians in New Hampshire|{{PAGENAME}}]] </nowiki> on your user page. This new category is somewhat confusing given the existing [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians/New Hampshire]], but if it helps us get together as Granite Staters and start some kind of New Hampshire based Wikiproject like [[user:Neutrality|Neutrality]] did for Vermont, that'd be great. [[User:Karmafist|Karmafist]] 00:57, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 
''==[[:Category:Wikipedians in New Hampshire]]==''
::''Oops, ''I did it again''. Seem that I've overlooked [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians/New Hampshire]] which is another place besides [[:Category:Wikipedians in New Hampshire|Category]] which as you can see is pretty sparse (I didn't even see you there before today). I'll have to add us, thanks for the tip. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 01:51, 21 August 2005 (UTC)''
 
== [[Richard Nixon]] ==
 
Why would a question on who Nixon addressed his letter of resignation to start an edit war? It is a fairly objective question. [[User:EdwinHJ|EdwinHJ]] | [[User talk:EdwinHJ|Talk]] 20:52, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:==[[WP:RD#President Nixon's letter of resignation]]==
:''My response to the question was intended to humorous which is why I prefaced my signature with ";-)". The ''reason'' for my "humorous" response is that historically, questions about RMN. JFK, GWB ... usually result in a polarized back-and-forth having more to do with politics rather than the essence of the question. My sincere apologies to you or any others who may have been put-off by my casual rather than serious response.''
 
:''I am, by the way, looking forward a serious response to this question and I'm sorry if my comment got things off on the wrong foot. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 22:01, 20 August 2005 (UTC)''
 
::I was just confused and thought perhaps I had unknowingly stepped into a minefield. Thanks for the reply! [[User:EdwinHJ|EdwinHJ]] | [[User talk:EdwinHJ|Talk]] 22:10, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:::''Well, that's always a concern around here, Religion and/or Politics. NPOV is often the first thing to go out the window. It's though the old proverb "''Never argue with someone who '''knows''' he's right''" is often demonstrated over and over again on these pages. That's why I made light of a seriously intended question. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 22:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC)''
 
==Huh, I thought I did?==
 
It's at [[User talk:Karmafist/Archive1]], I had it up there on the page. [[User:Karmafist|Karmafist]] 03:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 
 
== Misunderstanding==
''Also placed on [[User_talk:EdwinHJ|EdwinHJ's talk page]]''<br>
I think you totally <u>misunderstood</u> the message Hydnjo... That's the problem with <u>written</u> messages, you can't look at somebody's eyes! I even made a smiley ;-) to show I was joking! What I meant was that only if you would attack Peter Lee (i.e. revert his "edits"), '''he''' would attack you back, saying "you are ignorant and naive" (as he has done many times with other Wikipedians!)... This was just a conditional statement about Peter Lee, I would never do this myself!!! I don't even know you, so ''why'' would I?!? Sorry you misunderstood the message... Gotta be more careful with my jokes...
BTW, you are making a BIG mistake saying that "plenty of others" are rv'ing me to ''death''. This is all coming from one single person with a dynamic ip address... Ask [[User:JeremyA|JeremyA]]!! Again, my apologies for the misunderstanding. I hope you now understand I hold absolute nothing against you, Edwin, Splash, nor anybody else on Wikipedia, besides this [[User:Peter Lee|Peter Lee]]... Regards, -- [[User:Mario Roering|Mario<font color="green">''R''</font>]] 10:17:47, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
 
:<small>Posted on [[User talk:Mario Roering|Mario Roering's talk]] page. </small>
:''I'm begging your pardon. I was totally off base having hastily <u>mis</u>read your statement at [[User talk:EdwinHJ|EdwinHJ's]]. I have also been mistaken while making a ''humorous'' comment and I know how that made me feel. I apologize to you for my harsh comments. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 16:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)''
 
== re: Did you see ==
 
Yes, I tried to fix it, but this will require some more though about how to do this properly. --[[User:R.Koot|R.Koot]] 19:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 
==All page TOC==
You may be interested to look at how the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/all]] page TOC looks now. Please also see [[Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Wikipedia:Reference_desk.2Fall]] for how the discussion over how this worked out. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 02:22, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 
== Reference desk still has a full page listing at [[WP:RD/ALL]] ==
 
Hi Hydnjo - I thought it would be good to let you know that there is a "see all questions" link at the reference desk. It's located at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/All]], with shortcuts [[WP:RD/A]] or [[WP:RD/ALL]]. You can also get to this "all listing page" by clicking on the bottom right hand corner of the reference desk page here at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk]]. I really liked your participation on the reference desk, and if you get a chance, I hope you'd consider trying out the functionality of that page. --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 23:22, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:I agree with you 100%. See my post on the RD talk page for details... --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 01:52, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 
::You do realize how nice that sounds, right? :-) --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 02:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 
== A nice shiny barnstar! ==
 
[[Image:Barnstar.png|left|frame| A barnstar for your voice - the encouraging and supportive one that resulted in the grand Reference Desk changes! --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] ]]
 
I have been meaning to give you a barnstar for a while - the recent changes to the reference desk have made it even more fitting to do so. Here is one for your supportive and encouraging voice - on the reference desk, and on Wikipedia as a whole. We're so lucky to have an editor like you around here! I hope you'll treasure it - may it always remind you of the positive impact your contributions have had on Wikipedia. Cheers! --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 02:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 
:I think this is a very well deserved barnstar, ''many'' times over. My sincerest regards! :D --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 03:24, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 
== Stay tuned... ==
 
Hey there! In case you missed it, check [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AReference_desk&diff=22143006&oldid=22142538] at [[Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Protection|this place]]. Also, see on my talk page for more comments. It's the start of the week and I've had less time to spend on Wikipedia lately.
 
I really think you're one of the nicest Wikipedians I've met so far. And please feel free to share your wit! There was one time on the reference desk when I was asked something, and I answered that I was "Just a Wikipedian". This was the response I got on my talk page (from my archives):
 
:''Just a Wikipedian - Yes, it's perfect. So many potential layers of meaning - like baklava, or mille-feuilles. TOO BAD IT WILL NEVER WORK! hee hee. --Mothperson 22:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) ''.
 
I laughed so hard when I read that, just like when I read your comment about [[Bilbo Baggins]]. I mean, ''where'' did [[baklava]] and [[mille-feuilles]] come from?! Sort of whimsical really, which is is exactly why it's so funny! Personally, I'm really greatful for this humour, it really lightens the mood around here and reminds me of how wonderful this project is. :-)
 
Anyway, back to the RD talk...still some more stuff to do, and more ideas to share as well! --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 02:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 
== featured articles ==
 
Hi - I'm working on [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations]]. It's currently auto-generated from the FAC logs, which I'm finding to be not really regular enough to make it work smoothly. As an intermediate step, I've created (not posted yet) a list of all the featured articles with their nominator(s). It seems like it might be worthwhile adding the original featured date, and (this is really why I think you might be interested) the main page appearance date and keep this updated as a page. Eventually we might have to break it down by year or something, but for now I think a single list would do. I assume if such a thing existed, you'd be interested (right?). Please let me know what you think about this. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 19:55, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 
<small>Response to [[User:Rick Block|Rick]]:</small>
:''[[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations]]''
:''Hello Rick, well, that's one I never came across before. I'm assuming that you know about the listing of FAs by category at [[WP:FA]] and the index by date at [[WP:TFA]]. My own interest came about while reading some FA or another and wondering how the article had evolved (or devolved) since it became a FA and of equal or even more relevance since being published on the Main Page. I've been tagging the Main Page articles for a few weeks now (on their talk page) as a temporary measure after finding little enthusiasm from others to memorialize this date somehow within the FA template (to indicate the date of promotion) and then to have perhaps a different template after MP publication to record both dates. I think my concern is legitimate in that the current FA template gives no clue as to its vintage and as we can see at [[WP:FFA]], some articles do not age very well. Please let me know if your plans address memorializing these dates within the article's talk page somehow. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 20:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)''
 
:''An article's historical benchmarks''
:''These dates in my estimation are usually the the most volatile events in an article's history:
:#''Date that an an article was started: [[Special:Newpages]]. Usually available.''
:#''Date that an article was presented for peer review: [[WP:PR]]. Difficult to determine.''
:#''Date that an article was presented as a potential FA: [[WP:FAC]]. Difficult to determine.''
:#''Date that an article was promoted to FA. Findable by looking through the history for the ''featured'' template.''
:#''Date that an article was featured on the '''Main Page'''. Is findable with knowhow but not prominent.''
:#''Sometimes: Date that an article was demoted and noted as a former FA: [[WP:FFA]]. Very seldom and usually without great fanfare.''
:#''Sometimes: Date of re-presentation .... etc.''
 
:''So, I think that these dates should be readily available for the article's starter, contributors, readers, curious, students of wiki culture or anything else. Sorry to dump this on your talk page but it came to mind and I was already here. ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 22:59, 31 August 2005 (UTC)''
 
First, [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations]] is brand new - I'm still working on it. Second, the intermediate list I'm creating can have whatever we'd like. To make it relatively easy to update (I think it will have to be updated manually), I think the primary sort will have to be by FAC promotion date. I'm going through the MP archives and adding the date of MP appearance. These dates won't be on the article's talk page, but in this separate list. I'll post the list fairly soon (still working on it). I'll let you know when I post it and ask you what you think. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 00:46, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
 
:I've posted the source lists I used to create the list by nominator. They are [[Wikipedia:Featured articles nominated in 2005]], [[Wikipedia:Featured articles nominated in 2004]], and [[Wikipedia:Featured articles nominated in 2003]]. These lists are annotated with the main page appearance for each featured article. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 17:26, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
 
::''Thanks for the heads-up. The information will be be quite helpful in tagging prior talk pages with their Main page date. I'd still like to see the Main page date (going forward) just be part of the selection process rather than what I'm doing now. I feel as though I'm going against the grain somehow. What do you think? [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 18:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
::''BTW, with your help I've tagged the [[Talk:Monty Hall problem|Monty Hall problem]] with its Main page date. I hope I got it right. ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 22:16, 5 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
:How about adding a description of how to find the relevant dates for a featured article someplace prominent (like on [[WP:FA]], or [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_statistics]] or [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log]])? I think:
:*Main page appearance by date can be found in the archives at [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article]] and by article by searching [[Wikipedia:Featured articles nominated in 2003]] (and [[Wikipedia:Featured articles nominated in 2004|2004]] and [[Wikipedia:Featured articles nominated in 2005|2005]]).
:*Promotion to featured status by date can be found at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log]] and by article by searching the by year indices I've created.
:*Peer review and FA nomination are generally linked from the talk page, which makes these dates fairly discoverable by article.
:Defeature and renominations are rare, but we could also describe how to find these. I guess my bottom line is I'm not sure it's worth adding the main page date to the talk page, given an adquate alternative exists. So, I guess this becomes a question for you - do you think the alternative (search the index pages) is reasonable? -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 22:38, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
 
::''Obviously I'm not making my point with any degree of clarity. Allow me one more try. I happen to read an article that has been prominently tagged on its talk page as being a '''Featured''' article. So, I casually ask a question in my mind: was it a featured article last week, last month, last year or when? How does this version compare to the '''Featured''' version? Did it get better or worse since then? I'm not a student of article evolution, I'm just curious. If I were a student of article evolution I could track down the version in question with some effort and time. But just being curious, eh, there's plenty more to read around here so I go on. But, if that date had been easily available (think right there on the talk page) then I may well have gone on to a better understanding of an article's evolution (some articles age better than others) and been amazed or prompted to fix some deterioration. At first I didn't think that I was asking for a great deal within a Featured article's CV but I was wrong. It seems to some to be a big deal and an unreasonable request. I'm not in any way demeanimg your work, in fact, it will be quite helpful to anyone's searching an article's history. My comments are directed towards finding a way (going forward) to memorialize the Main page date within the article itself. Thanks for listening, [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 23:38, 5 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
::''Also, as time and enthusiasm permit, I will definitely use your new WP reference pages to help tag prior FA pages with their Main page date. I am grateful for your help. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 00:05, 6 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
:Just to echo back what I'm hearing, you want the "featured on main page" date to be prominently indicated on the page (or it's talk). This is what you've been doing page by page (after the fact) and you'd like Raul654 (or whoever does the work behind the scenes related to geting a page on the main page, which I think is Raul654) to do it as part of making a page today's featured page. I really can't think of any automatic way to do this, and I think any way (period) would require an edit to the page (or its talk). You've talked to Raul654 about this, and he seems to be somewhat resistant. I can't find a description of the maintenance procedures for [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article]], but I suppose [[Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article]] would be as good a place as any to bring this up (again). Rather than add the text like you've been doing, you might create a template similar in style to [[template:featured]] indicating the date, but I really doubt you'll be able to get Raul654 to edit the articles to add it. You feel strongly enough about this to be doing it yourself, so you might propose an addendum to the "featured on main page" process along the lines of "Raul654 does his stuff, and then Hydnjo adds the ''mpfeatured'' template to the talk page". I think (aside from the fancy shmancy template) you've been [[WP:BOLD]] and have effectively been doing this anyway. If you'd like to institutionalize it as "standard practice" you'll have to get consensus behind it. I think it's a reasonable idea (I also think it's reasonable to add a date to the ''featured'' template). -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 00:21, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
 
::''You have no idea how much your considerate response means to me. I'm delighted with your ''echo'' in that it clearly articulates what I've been trying to say. At this point, I think that providing a foothold for the feature-master to dig-in on this point would not be constructive. I'm going to let it slide for a while as I quietly do my additive thing going forward (and backwards with your new pages). I'm not sure that I'm up to a ''challenge'' right now but I thank you for suggesting the avenues to approach this in the future. Warmest regards, [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 00:42, 6 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
:If you'd like to use a template, I'd suggest something that does something like:
{| class="messagebox standard-talk"
|-
|'''{{PAGENAME}}''' appeared on Wikipedia's [[Main Page]] as [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article|Today's featured article]] on [[MONTHDAY]] [[YEAR]].
|}
:where MONTHDAY and YEAR are passed in as parameters. If this template existed, your edit to the talk page would consist of adding the template specifying the date (not particularly different than what you're already doing). If you're template averse for any reason, let me know and we can create this togethter. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 01:28, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
 
::''I am without a doubt ''template chalenged''. Try as I might they always came out wrong so I quit trying. You make it seem so simple that I feel embarrassed at my lack of effort. Thanks for pulling me along, that's the same thing I did with my kids. ;-() [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 01:47, 6 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
:::In case you missed it in my reply, I ''love'' the template. Thank you for helping me along in this matter (damn, that sounds so stiff and formal) lets try again: Hey Rick, champion of the [[Monty Hall problem|Monty logic]] despite all of the attacks, thanks for hearing my side of things in (I think) a fair way. I feel encouraged by your comments. I was beginning to wonder. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:05, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:So, um, does this mean you want to create a template? What would you like to call it? Something related to [[template:featured]] and also related to [[wikipedia:today's featured article]]. I note [[template:TFA]] already exists and seems to be related. If you yank and put the table from above into a page called [[template:whatever]] (replacing MONTHDAY with <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> and YEAR with <nowiki>{{{2}}}</nowiki>) then you'd invoke it with <nowiki>{{whatever|September 5|2005}}</nowiki>. If you want to try this I'll help if necessary. And, BTW, no apologies necessary. Templates and meta-templates and programming and mathematical logic are what I DO and have done for a very long time (so, are very second nature to me). I'm sure it's just a familiarity thing. If you're interested, and you do one or two (or ten or twenty every year for thirty years :) ) I'm sure you'll get the hang of it. And, further BTW, thanks for the compliment (hearing your side). I actually do try to listen. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 04:33, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
:::::''Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this, not by any means for lack of interest. I would very much like to invoke a template as you have suggested. I really don't how to set it up though. How does something like <nowiki>{{Template:FAD}}</nowiki> (Featured Article Date) seem to you? Thanks again for your support. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
:::::Oops, I just noticed - pun ''not'' intended. ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:31, 8 September 2005 (UTC)''
:::To avoid the pun (and, I generally prefer not to use acronyms), how about <nowiki>{{template:featured day}}</nowiki>? Renaming is certainly possible later, so it's probably not worth agonizing too much about the name. To set it up, you create a page like [[template:featured day]] (just like [[template:featured]]) and put the table in it, using <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> for the first argument, <nowiki>{{{2}}}</nowiki> for the second argument (you can also do the arguments by name, but I suspect by number is easier in this case). Then, you reference it in an article with <nowiki>{{featured day|September 7|2005}}</nowiki>. If you want to do the arguments by name, you'd use something like <nowiki>{{{day}}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> (and <nowiki>{{{year}}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{{2}}}</nowiki>) and (in the article) something like <nowiki>{{featured day|day=September 7|year=2005}}</nowiki>-- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 03:35, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
 
::::I jumped the gun before hearing back from you. Sorry about that. Should I tag it for speedy and start over or move it to a new name? Now I'm embarrassed. :-( [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 03:44, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:::::Thanks for wikifying the date, I forgot to follow your instructions. If I move <nowiki>{{Template:FAD}}</nowiki> to say {{Template:Mainpage date}} what happens to the articles withe original template? [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 15:50, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::::::If you move the template, I believe the old name stays as a redirect and it's then usable under either name. It's probably good form to edit the references to the new name, but I don't think this is particularly necessary (on the other hand, they're only like 2 of them or something, right?). BTW - I just assumed you preferred FAD (which would be OK with me). If you want to move it to a new name, I'm OK with that, too. If you move it to a new name and fix the references and want to get rid of the redirect, let me know and I can delete the redirect (with my awesome admin powers!). -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 01:50, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
 
:::::::Geesh, we may have to archive soon just because of this section! Please feel free to clear out your talk page, as you can see I've been duplicating here. Anyway, I started {{Tl|FAD}} before realizing that acronyms were not the best form for template names and I'm assuming that the reason is that the name should be indicative of its function. Also assuming that this template is going to be around for a while and will be seen in lots of future edit windows I would like to change (move) it at this time. In order to avoid confusion with {{Tl|Featured}}, I'd prefer to stay away from the word ''featur(ed)'' altogether. I'd like your opinion on {{Tl|Mainpage date}} before I do anything else out of sorts. And yes I agree that going back and editing the now ''three'' articles is no big deal. I shall await your guidance (again). [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 04:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::::::{{Tl|Mainpage date}} is perfect. --- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 14:05, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
 
===[[Template:FAD]]===
''Hi again. I tried to speedy this but have met some resistance, see [[Template talk:FAD]]. You may want to comment at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:FAD] as I have named you as a coconspirator. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 12:30, 10 September 2005 (UTC)''
:''Thanks for vote but [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] still disagrees on the speedy part. I don't really want to do battle over this so I'm not going to retag, I'll keep an eye out in case someone tries to use it (someone already has) and edit it out. On another note, I think you should receive credit here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hydnjo#Excellent_work_on_FA_date_template] and on its links. Let me know if you object to co-authorship. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 20:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)''
::Looks like [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]]'s agreeing with the delete now, so I think all will be good at tfd (I'll watch I guess, and if the tide seems to be turning I'll suggest FAD become a version of [[template:featured]] that indicates the date an article achieves featured status - which I'm guessing is where you'd really like to go with this). Re credit - I'm perfectly willing to share, but I don't see how it matters (it's not like we're filing a patent or anything, right?). I promise I won't begrudge you any glories that come your way as a result of this. You've been fighting for it for months, so I think you deserve at least most of the credit. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 22:16, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 
:::''I doubt that this will gather any resistance to delete but just in case you have an excellent Plan B worked out. Also, my response line is: "As much as I would love full credit, this template is actually the result of a collaboration between [[User:Rick Block|Rick Block]] and myself. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 23:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)" ''
 
== Templates and the Reference Desk ==
 
Oh, check out the edits I made to [[Template:RD header]]. I'm thinking of shrinking the size of the question mark by changing the number 48 to a smaller number. --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 03:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 
== Racoons and Adminship ==
 
Those racoons seemed to have disappeared now...not sure what the mothballs did, but they're still on the ground! I think removing the food really helped though. ''Finally'' some peace and quiet at night!!
 
Ah yes, my adminship. Thanks for the congrats! That was quite recent actually. I think I come across differently on that RfA than in my normal activities on Wikipedia. Have you read the thread about the ''Mysterious Wikipedian'' on my talk page? Wikipedia is so interesting at times...
 
Just wondering, what makes editing on Wikipedia enjoyable for you? --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 23:48, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:Ah yes - it's quite interesting to reflect how modern society has evolved in the Western world. It seems as if we have progressed from an agricultural, to an industrial, to a service oriented, to an information based society, in this order. What would be interesting to observe is the next generation - the ones that grew up with the internet, took it for granted, and know all the nooks and crannies of the technology.
 
:I had no idea my user account was listed on the Signpost - heh, sometimes I think there's too much information to keep track of on Wikipedia! Usually I just focus on what's important at the moment and trust that the Wiki will help solve everything else! :D --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 01:12, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 
::Would you like to become a "sir" someday too? :-) Let me know when you feel ready; I'd be honoured to nominate you when the time comes. Or, alternatively, I just might ''surprise'' you one day! It's well worth the consideration. I know you've been here for a while, and those extra buttons might complement your work here. Let me know what you think! --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 02:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:::Not draconian, but ''figuratively poetic'' :-) --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 02:16, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 
== Gone without a trace ==
 
Well, we'll see how things unfold. I think it's too much of a [[neologism]] :-) --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 03:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:''After further reflection and under more sober circumstances I have tagged this article for speedy deletion as I believe it meets the criterion of '''General''' ''article 7'' (1.2.7) at [[WP:CSD]]. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 19:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
::Wondering if you would like the article to be enshrined in BJAODN heaven? [[WP:-)]]? --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 23:35, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:::''As its author I take no position as to memorializing my rant. I feel awkward that it has taken the notice that it has taken already. Scrap it if you want, I can always recreate it later if it seems relevant. Thanks for asking, [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 23:41, 4 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
::::Deleted as requested, no archival. Had anyone else edited it, it would have had to stay on for the entire week. --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 23:53, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:::::''Thanks. I have no clue as to why some Admin was insisting on [[WP:AfD]] instead of ''speedy''. Anyway, thanks for your mercy. Some things that seem perfectly rational late at night make my face turn red the next morning and I can't imagine that an admin was saying '''No''' to my ''speedy'' request. I'm in your debt. I read the article to Heidi this morning and although she saw some merit and some insights she agreed that it wasn't suitable for an encyclopedia article. "Geesh, is ''that'' all you do all night?" or something. ;-) [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 00:22, 5 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
:::::''And, if someone else had edited it I would have gladly given up ownership. That's the part I didn't understand. Perhaps the Admin thought that the article had some merit! Oh well, [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 00:29, 5 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
== Fool family ==
 
[http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=User:TheSimpleFool&action=edit There is a new progeniture] who popped up on Wiktionary. His ancestory is unbeknownst to him currently, AFAIK. Family tree to be updated! --[[User:Wonderfool|Wonderfool]] [[User talk:Wonderfool|t]][[Special:Contributions/Wonderfool|(c)]] 11:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 
==[[Space opera in Scientology doctrine]]==
It was my mistake, I think my browser wasn't refreshing properly, I have since changed the image, and reverted it back to your version. [[User:Autopilots|Autopilots]] 03:08, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 
== Excellent work on FA date template ==
 
I really like the FA date template you made. In fact, I liked it so much I made a clone of it for articles which are scheduled to soon appear on the front page (Of course, people will have to update the template once this date is passed). I also promoted the templates on [[Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article]] and [[Wikipedia:Template messages/Talk namespace]]. --[[User:Alabamaboy|Alabamaboy]] 19:08, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 
*''Note: As much as I would love full credit, [[Template:Mainpage date]] is actually the result of a collaboration between [[User:Rick Block|Rick Block]] and myself. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 00:12, 11 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
== TfD ==
 
Thanks for the congratulations &mdash; I was amazed at how much support it received. Re the TfD: I think that, seeing as there is still dissent from another admin on whether this is a speedy, I won't speedy it myself; I don't want to run into trouble on my second day! If you like, you can tag it again yourself although don't remove the TfD notice of course. You can always just check the "What links here" for the template once a day or something over the next week and replace any usages with the new one you have/will made/make. -[[User:Splash|Splash]] 20:11, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 
== [[List of electrical engineers]] ==
 
''Hi. would you take a look at the most recent addition of [[Kyle McGhee]] on this list and let me know what you think. It looks like BS to me but I wanted to get another opinion before rv. Thanks, hydnjo 00:37, 12 September 2005 (UTC)''
 
:I agree with you; that entry looks like nonsense and it should be deleted. [[User:Engineer Bob|Engineer Bob]] 04:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 
:Agreed. It appears he was a gold digger and I can find no evidence of him being an electrical engineer. [[User:Spliced|Spliced]] 08:05, 12 September 2005 (UTC)