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[[Image:Nathaniel_Hawthorne_old.jpg|thumb|right|180px|Nathaniel Hawthorne in the 1860s]]
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'''Nathaniel Hawthorne''' ([[July 4]], [[1804]] – [[May 19]], [[1864]]) was a [[19th century]] [[United States|American]] [[the novel|novelist]] and [[short story]] writer. He is seen as a key figure in the development of [[American literature]].
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==Biography==
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He was born in [[Salem, Massachusetts]], where his [[Nathaniel Hawthorne Birthplace|birthplace]] is now a house museum, and died in [[Plymouth, New Hampshire]]. Hawthorne's father was a sea captain and descendant of [[John Hathorne]], one of the judges who oversaw the [[Salem Witch Trials]]. Hawthorne's father died at sea in 1808 of [[yellow fever]], when Hawthorne was only four years old, and Nathaniel was raised secluded from the world by his mother.
Hawthorne attended [[Bowdoin College]] in [[Maine]] from 1821–1824, befriending classmates [[Henry Wadsworth Longfellow]] and future president [[Franklin Pierce]]. Until the publication of his [[Twice-Told Tales]] in 1837, Hawthorne wrote in the comparative obscurity of what he called his "owl's nest" in the family home. As he looked back on this period of his life, he wrote: "I have not lived, but only dreamed about living" [letter to Longfellow, June 4, 1837]. And yet it was this period of brooding and writing that had formed, as [[Malcolm Cowley]] was to describe it, "the central fact in Hawthorne's career," his "term of apprenticeship" that would eventually result in the "richly meditated fiction."
== Release Date ==
Hawthorne was hired in 1839 as a weigher and gauger at the [[Boston, Massachusetts|Boston]] Custom House. He had become engaged in the previous year to the [[illustrator]] and [[Transcendentalism|transcendentalist]] [[Sophia Peabody]]. Seeking a possible home for himself and Sophia, he joined the transcendentalist [[utopian]] community at [[Brook Farm]] in 1841; later that year, however, he left when he became dissatisfied with the experiment. (His Brook Farm adventure would prove an inspiration for his novel, [[The Blithedale Romance]].) He married Sophia in 1842; they moved to [[The Old Manse]] in [[Concord, Massachusetts]], where they lived for three years. Hawthorne and his wife then moved to [[The Wayside]], previously a home of the Alcotts. Their neighbors in Concord included [[Ralph Waldo Emerson]] and [[Henry David Thoreau]].
When will this book be released in the US & UK? --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 8 July 2005 22:58 (UTC)
[[Image:Nathaniel Hawthorne - Project Gutenberg eText 15161.jpg|thumbnail|left|180px|Nathaniel Hawthorne illustrated in an 1870 publication]]
:[[Midnight]], [[Saturday]], [[July 16]], [[2005]]. [[User:Hermione1980|Hermione]]'''[[User talk:Hermione1980|1980]]''' 8 July 2005 23:01 (UTC)
::To disambiguate, that is the midnight between Friday and Saturday: at time of writing that is some 4 days and 11½ hours. HTH HAND —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 11:24, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
Like Hawthorne, Sophia was a reclusive person. She was, in fact, bedridden with headaches until her sister introduced her to Hawthorne, after which her headaches seem to have abated. The Hawthornes enjoyed a long marriage, and Sophia was greatly enamored of her husband's work. In one of her journals, she writes: "I am always so dazzled and bewildered with the richness, the depth, the... jewels of beauty in his productions that I am always looking forward to a second reading where I can ponder and muse and fully take in the miraculous wealth of thoughts" [Jan 14th 1851, Journal of Sophia Hawthorne. Berg Collection NY Public Library].
:So the British release is five hours before the first release in North America--is that correct?
::Due to time zones, I believe so, yes. [[User:Sonic Mew|Sonic Mew]] | [[User_talk:Sonic Mew|talk to me]] 19:16, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
In 1846 Hawthorne was appointed surveyor (determining the quantity and value of imported goods) at the Salem Custom House. Like his earlier appointment to the custom house in Boston, this employment was vulnerable to the politics of the [[spoils system]]. When Hawthorne later wrote [[The Scarlet Letter]], he included a long introductory essay depicting his time at the Salem Custom House. He lost this job due to the change of administration in Washington after the presidential election of 1848. In 1852 he wrote the [[campaign biography]] of his old friend, Franklin Pierce. With Pierce's election as president, Hawthorne was rewarded in 1853 with the position of United States consul in [[Liverpool]]. In 1857 he resigned from this post and did some traveling in France and Italy. He and his family returned to The Wayside in 1860. Failing health began to prevent him from completing new writings. Hawthorne died in his sleep on [[May 19]], [[1864]] in Plymouth, N.H. while on a tour of the White Mountains with Pierce.
Is the thing he said about *** and *** true?
:I want to make this perfectly clear: Whatever vandals try to add, ''no one'' knows what is in this book, and no one will know until Saturday! (The few people who have read it, aren't going to spoil it for us.) [[User:Sonic Mew|Sonic Mew]] | [[User_talk:Sonic Mew|talk to me]] 17:31, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Nathaniel and Sophia Hawthorne had three children: Una, Julian, and Rose. Una suffered from mental illness and died young. Julian moved out west and wrote a book about his father. Rose converted to Roman Catholicism and took her vows as a Dominican nun. She founded [http://www.hawthorne-dominicans.org/found.htm a religious order] to care for victims of cancer.
Shouldn't the release times be in 24-hour format? I was going to change it if I knew what 12:01 am is. Is it in the morning or night? I'm sure all non-US people are equally confused. [[User:EliasMartenson]]
==Writings==
: Feel free to change it. FYI, AM is before noon (12:00 AM is midnight, 1 AM is the next hour). PM is noon (12:00 PM) and after (1 PM is the next hour). See [[12-hour clock]]. — [[User:131.230.133.185|131.230.133.185]] 02:27, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Hawthorne is best-known today for his many [[short story|short stories]] (he called them "tales") and his four major [[romance (genre)|romances]] of 1850–60: ''[[The Scarlet Letter]]'' (1850), ''[[The House of the Seven Gables]]'' (1851), ''[[The Blithedale Romance]]'' (1852), and ''[[The Marble Faun]]'' (1860). (Another book-length romance, ''[[Fanshawe (novel)|Fanshawe]]'', was published anonymously in 1828.)
Before publishing his first collection of tales in 1837, Hawthorne wrote scores of [[short story|short stories]] and sketches, publishing them anonymously or [[pseudonym|pseudonymously]] in periodicals such as ''The New-England Magazine'' and ''The United States Democratic Review''. Only after collecting a number of his short stories into the two-volume ''[[Twice-Told Tales]]'' in 1837 did Hawthorne begin to attach his name to his works.
== Richard Stallman - Internet Book Critic ==
Much of Hawthorne's work is set in colonial [[New England]], and many of his short stories have been read as moral [[allegory|allegories]] influenced by his [[Puritan]] background. "Ethan Brand" (1850) tells the story of a lime-burner who sets off to find the Unpardonable Sin, and in doing so, commits it. One of Hawthorne's most famous tales, "[[The Birth-Mark]]" (1843), concerns a young doctor who removes a birthmark from his wife's face, an operation which kills her. Other well-known tales include "[[Rappaccini's Daughter]]" (1844), "[[My Kinsman, Major Molineux]]" (1832), "[[The Minister's Black Veil]]" (1836), and "[[Young Goodman Brown]]" (1835). "The Maypole of [[Merrymount]]" recounts a most interesting encounter between the Puritans and the forces of anarchy and hedonism.
I'm as thankful for Emacs as the next guy, but I don't see how the paragraph on Stallman has any real relevance to the discussion here. If people actually take him seriously and start boycotting the book I would agree that it should go back in. But until that happens, it seems to me that he is just another blowhard with a blog, and unless we're about to start including minireviews from every one of the thousands of people that have an opinion on the book and/or the Canadian case, I'd leave it out.
Recent criticism has focused on Hawthorne's narrative voice, treating it as a self-conscious [[rhetoric|rhetorical]] construction, not to be conflated with Hawthorne's own voice. Such an approach complicates the long-dominant tradition of regarding Hawthorne as a gloomy, guilt-ridden [[moralist]].
Thoughts?
Hawthorne enjoyed a brief friendship with [[United States|American]] [[novelist]] [[Herman Melville]] beginning on [[August 5]] [[1850]], when the two authors met at a picnic hosted by a mutual friend. Melville had just read Hawthorne's short story collection ''[[Mosses from an Old Manse]]'', which Melville later praised in a famous review, "Hawthorne and His Mosses." Melville's letters to Hawthorne provide insight into the composition of ''[[Moby-Dick]],'' which Melville dedicated to Hawthorne, 'in appreciation for his genius.' Hawthorne's letters to Melville did not survive.
:I'm one of the first people to revert the edit, and I reverted it as a "subtle spamlink". Let me explain: the URL quite correctly had Stallman's name, but when I first clicked it, it went through a couple of redirects before landing me on a web directory containing nothing but a bunch of external links. Hence, I concluded the link was just to increase the Google/Alexa rating of that site. However, even assuming that the double-redirect problem has been fixed, after some thought I would still revert because I don't find this that relevant or encyclopedic, though I might no longer consider it to be a spamlink. --[[User:Deathphoenix|Death]][[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''phoenix''']] 11:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
[[Edgar Allan Poe]] wrote important, though largely unflattering reviews of both ''Twice-Told Tales'' and ''Mosses from an Old Manse''.
: If Stallman has no place here neither does Greenpeace and for many of the same reasons. — [[User:131.230.133.185|131.230.133.185]] 16:56, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
==See also==
:: Greenpeace ''isn't'' mentioned in the body of the text, but just in 'external links' at the end.[[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] 18:17, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
* ''[[The Snow-Image, and Other Twice-Told Tales]]''
:::I think it was at one point. [[User:Sonic Mew|Sonic Mew]] | [[User_talk:Sonic Mew|talk to me]] 18:05, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
==External links==
::::The Greenpeace paragraph was removed on this edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Potter_and_the_Half-Blood_Prince&diff=18899589&oldid=18898829]. I have to disagree with [[User:131.230.133.185]]'s choice to take it out. The paragraph is very relevant. It speaks about an ongoing campaign by two very notable environmental groups, [[Greenpeace]] and the [[National Wildlife Federation]]. The campaigns have been reported on by national media outlets, the link I provided references the [[Canadian Broadcasting Corporation|CBC]]. Moreover the campaigns are ongoing, and will continue after the book's publication. Please also see Greenpeace's "Save Muggle Forests" website [http://usactions.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=38 here]. Greenpeace reports that over 13,000 people have taken actions they suggest on that page. The information contained in the deleted paragraph is relevant, notable, is easily verified, and presents all facts from a neutral point of view. It is entirely fit for inclusion in this article. For those that wish it to stay omitted please provide detailed explanations for your position. [[User:Kurieeto|Kurieeto]] 20:16, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
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:::::I don't see the problem with a pargraph about it. It is certainly relevant. [[User:Sonic Mew|Sonic Mew]] | [[User_talk:Sonic Mew|talk to me]] 21:01, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
*Eric Eldred's [http://www.eldritchpress.org/nh/hawthorne.html excellent Hawthorne site] at Eldritch Press contains all of Hawthorne's works, notes on the writings, annotated editions,and lots of other information.
::::: I have no problem with that. The information about Stallman's opinion is as relevant, notable, and easily verified. Just as Greenpeace is noted for its environmental stands and recommends against certain purchases, Stallman is noted for his stands on copyright and recommends against certain purchases. Both opinions can be presented in a neutral point of view. The question was whether either is relevant to this article. I believe a case can be made either way. — [[User:131.230.133.185|131.230.133.185]] 22:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
*The [http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org Hawthorne in Salem Website] was funded in May of 2000 by a three-year grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities and is a collaborative effort of North Shore Community College in Danvers, Massachusetts, and three Salem, Massachusetts museums with important Hawthorne collections.
:::::: I returned the Greenpeace/National Wildlife Federation paragraph to the article, but moved it to the "Editions" section. It's since been moved back to the "Release dates and times" section with no explanation by [[User:131.230.133.185]]. Half of the current paragraph describes the recycled paper content of two of the editions. I ask the user who moved the paragraph, why is it more appropriate to have this paragraph in the "Release dates and times" section instead of the "Editions" section? The "Editions" section is far more appropriate, as the primary point of the paragraph is to inform the reader of the % of recycled paper in each edition, while the secondary point is to state which organizations brought the issue to prominence. [[User:Kurieeto|Kurieeto]] 03:03, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Herman Melville]]'s appreciation, [http://209.11.144.65/eldritchpress/nh/hahm.html "Hawthorne and His Mosses"] (1850)
:::::::Please keep the Stallman material in. At the least it shows just what a juggernaut the Harry Potter industry is, and what problems it can cause. Plus, you get very few dissenting voices criticizing Potter in the media, unless they're fundamentalists objecting to "witchcraft." --[[User:Simon.Pole|Simon.Pole]] 09:13, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
*[[Henry James]]'s important book-length study, ''[http://209.11.144.65/eldritchpress/nh/nhhj1.html Hawthorne]'' (1879)
*WBUR's celebration of Nathaniel Hawthorne at 200, [http://www.wbur.org/arts/2005/48691_20050101.asp], with links to NPR's "The Connection" on Hawthorne's birthday, as well as an interview with author Phillip McFarland.
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== Chapter titles? ==
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Can anyone verify these? I'm currently about fourteen hours away from getting my copy, because I'm getting it from the library and the library doesn't open until 10:00 am tomorrow morning and… [/gripe] Anyway, these just don't quite sound right, so if anyone up at midnight in the UK right now could verify this (not expecting it, but ''maybe''…). [[User:Hermione1980|Hermione]]'''[[User talk:Hermione1980|1980]]''' 00:13, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Should we really begin to summarize the book's content in this article? I find that bad, somehow... --[[User:Keimzelle|Keimzelle]] 00:38, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
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What, you mean because it's so early? That's why I'm taking everything new related to ''Harry Potter'' I see tonight with a grain of salt. I'm half-tempted to blanket-revert it all, especially after the note I received on my talk page after I reverted one thing, but I don't know. "A Sluggism Memory"? Come on, people. And I found the Mystic Kettle of Nackledirk the other day, too. Summarising is fine, in my opinion, but can we just wait until maybe someone has actually had time to finish the book? It's only been out for about forty-five minutes in the UK. Whatever you think about deleting the "summaries", I'll go with at this point. When I finish the book, I will be hunting down factual errors like the dogs they are… [[User:Hermione1980|Hermione]]'''[[User talk:Hermione1980|1980]]''' 00:44, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
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Should we really have the chapter titles as the section titles? That's a spolier, and the section head comes before the spoiler warning, especially since the book isn't even out yet in most of the world.[[User:Jeff8765|Jeff8765]] 00:45, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
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: I've currently removed the table of contents. After a few days, when we no longer need the chapter titles as section heads (to expedite adding new plot details), I'll (or someone else will) reorganize the sections and reinsert the table of contents.
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I just commented out the whole lot of them. I'm currently siding with the "No spoilers!" crowd, and the titles just sound fishy to me. [[User:Hermione1980|Hermione]]'''[[User talk:Hermione1980|1980]]''' 00:49, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
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I'd say wait to revert until you get a copy of the book (except for blatant vandalism). The editing quality isn't that bad, and if it's legitimate, we save a lot of time. If it's not legitimate, deletion of the offensive material will be quick. If the table of contents blaring out chapter titles is a problem, I will fix that. Also, while none of the other books have chapter titles, this is still a good format for now. It lets editors quickly place where they should insert new information. We can remove those "training wheels" in a day or two. — [[User:131.230.133.185|131.230.133.185]] 00:53, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
The book has been released in Australia, and I am up to chapter four, Horace Slughorn. It was released about two hours ago, and I am reading it, and I can assure you all the information is correct and true. [[User:CronoDroid|CronoDroid]] 11:03, 16 July 2005 (GMT +10)
== Chapter Summaries ==
I added the chapter summaries and are still adding more (I'm up to Ch.11) and will add them as I read them. Please, fill in any blanks I have missed and hyperlink any text that needs it. Thank you.
[[User:CronoDroid|CronoDroid]] July 16th 2005, 15:54 (GMT +10, with Daylight Savings)
:CronoDroid, on behalf of (undoubtedly) countless other users, thank you for doing these summaries. I don't have a copy of the book, so I'm looking forward to reading each installment as I clean up. [[User:Steven Luo|Steven Luo]] 07:57, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
:This is my first time using this so hopefully I get it right: CronoDroid I just wanted to thank you for all your hard work. I wont be able to get my book until late next week and you have made my day! The summaries are fantastic and I am looking forward to getting the book even more. I see that the summaries have disappeared.... I hope they can be put back up as I have been glued to my computer all morning. If you cant post here then I hope you can post elsewhere and let those of us who appreciated what you do know please... [[User:SeverinaSnape|Severina]] 12:54, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
== Release times ==
It seems to me that the rule for the release time is: all releases are at midnight UK time, except in time zones earlier (East) than UK, where it was released at midnight. Is this correct? --[[User:Taejo|Taejo]] 08:15, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
:Seems to me that it's time zones west of GMT (e.g. the Americas) that see releases at midnight local time, while time zones east of GMT (e.g. Asia and Australia) see releases at midnight GMT. [[User:Steven Luo|Steven Luo]] 08:20, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
::No, it was midnight BST, not GMT. [[User:David Newton|David Newton]] 09:57, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
== Protection from spoilers? ==
Five minutes ago somebody had pasted, in huge red text, which of the characters was the HBP and who dies, right at the top of the article.
Spoiler warnings are all well and good, but that suggests to me that the page needs protection. There are bound to be plenty of hyped-up kids with nothing better to do than spoil the book for everyone else during the first day or so.
:I'm not sure protection is a good idea. Non-admins have been adding quality info to the page, and they wouldn't be able to do that if the page were protected. Besides, the vandalism gets reverted pretty quickly (usually in less than a minute). [[User:Columbia|Columbia]] 10:27, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I don't suppose there's a "protect from huge text" function or anything? One thing that suggests itself to me is to protect the ''top'' of the article (if that's possible) so that things like "X DIES IN CHAPTER Y" are forced into the section below the spoiler warning. [[User:83.109.145.102|83.109.145.102]] 10:40, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
== Clarification of Prefects' rights and powers ==
I am under the impression that prefects cannot give or take points - Draco does so in Book 5 by being a part of the Inquisitor's Squad or somesuch... The chapter summary makes reference to a question as to whether a Captain of a Quidditch team can take points the way a prefect can...
:Yes they can- Rowling said herself the Ron was wrong about Prefects not being able to take points:
:"Q: Can prefects take points or not? A prefect took points from Gryffindor in the Chamber of Secrets, and then there was a reference to prefects not being allowed to dock points. What are the rules?
:A: Ron got it wrong in 'Phoenix', from which we deduce that he hasn't been a very authoritarian prefect thus far; he clearly hasn't been taking points from anybody."
:http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-wheeler01.shtml
::- [[User:Koolman2|koolman2]] 10:12, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
In OoTP, Ernie Macmillan clearly says "What? Malfoy can't be allowed to take off points, that would completely undermine the Prefect system!" (quotation may not be word-for-word correct), which I would take to mean Prefects ''cannot'' take off points. [[User:Supersaiyanplough|Supersaiyanplough]]|[[User talk:Supersaiyanplough|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:05, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
:Read through the link right above there that I posted. It's got that example in there. -[[User:Koolman2|koolman2]] 11:37, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
== The Canadian fiasco ==
* http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1691805,00.html
: ''Reading ban on leaked Harry Potter''
: ''... Raincoast Books, the book's Canadian publisher, was granted a "John Doe" injunction prohibiting the buyers from even reading their copies before the publication date.
This injunction thing is totally bullshit. A book waiting to be published is at most a [[trade secret]]. If you cannot keep the secret, you are screwed by no one except you. You have no one but yourself to blame.
: The supreme court of British Columbia issued a court order preventing anyone from "displaying, reading, offering for sale, selling or exhibiting in public" their books. J. K. Rowling's legal advisers said that the author was entitled to prevent buyers from reading their own books even though they had not broken the law.
A book legally sold is the buyer's property. The buyer cannot duplicate the book, but he/she shall be allowed to resell that copy to anyone. J. K. Rowling has every right in the world to buy the book back if she pays the money.
This "DO NOT SELL IT OR YOU"LL BE DEAD MEAT" rule is nothing but a contract. J. K. Rowling might ask her book distributers to sing a contract, but that's not binding to the book's readers. If I did not sign the contract, I am not binded by it. To hell with J. K. Rowling and her lawyers.
: '"The fact is that this is property that should not have been in their possession," said Neil Blair, a legal specialist for Christopher Little, the author's literary agent. "Copyright holders are entitled to protect their work. If the content of the book is confidential until July 16, which it is, why shouldn't someone who has the physical book be prevented from reading it and thereby obtaining the confidential information? How they came to have access to the book is immaterial."''
With very few (unfair and unjust) exceptions, ''[[nemo dat quod non habet]]'' is nothing but bullshit today. If I buy the book legally from a book seller, I have the right to keep it. I don't care if the book seller breaks whatever contract, that's none of my business.
: ''British lawyers ... added that the reader did not have a right in law to read the book. Korieh Duodu, a media lawyer for David Price Solicitors and Advocates, said: "... property rights often trump civil liberties. There is no human right to read."''
There is also no human right to impose copyrights on others. Personally, I think freedom of speech is much more natural and important. Korieh Duodu should be disbarred.
: ''Raincoast Books has attempted to persuade buyers to return their books by offering a bookplate signed by J. K. Rowling and a T-shirt. ...''
Raincoast Books is giving them peanuts. If I were anyone of them, I'll ask J. K. Rowling to pay me a million dollar at least. What a shame. -- [[User:Toytoy|Toytoy]] 10:58, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
== Copyright? ==
Could this chapter-by-chapter summary be considered a [[derivative work]] under copyright law? —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 10:29, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
:The way I understand it, that means that you couldn't use names or parts of the book in another story. I would think that summaries would be under [[fair use]]. - [[User:Koolman2|koolman2]] 10:36, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
::This ''is'' "another story". Only it's worse, since it's the ''same'' story retold in shorter form. Given how litigious the publisher has been in the past, this summary may be putting Wikipedia at risk. —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 10:43, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
::Put it like this, if someone bound this together and sold it as "A Summary of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" without permission, how long do you think it would last? —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 10:46, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
:::I guess it's worth looking in to, but I really don't think that it's a problem. - [[User:Koolman2|koolman2]] 10:50, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
::::The [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems|usual procedure]] in cases of suspicion is to replace the entire page with the copyvio template. Is there a good reason why this shouldn't be done? —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 10:56, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
::::::For articles with non-infringing versions in their history, the procedure is to revert to a non-infringing version. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] [[User talk:Cryptic|(talk)]] 11:03, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
:::::::We should probably pick one, then... —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 11:10, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
::::: Writting a summary is supposed to be AOK. You are just telling others facts. If people wants to read J.K. Rowling's words, they still have to buy. -- [[User:Toytoy|Toytoy]] 11:01, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
::::::But copyright covers more than just the words, it covers [[derivative work]]s that use the same characters and situations. Even fanfic is in violation, but copyright owners usually let it go. This is considerably more. —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 11:05, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, but that's an entirely different story, and not meant to be a summary of another book. Summaries are okay. How do you think you can write them normally? Okay, so this one is a bit more in-depth, but no more so than spark notes and the like. -[[User:Koolman2|koolman2]] 11:14, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
While I'm loathe to discourage those few adding content instead of defacing it, I find myself reluctantly agreeing with Ashley Y. My main concern, though, is not the legal risk (having found the first ten chapters on the internet in only a few minutes of casual searching), but that this level of detail is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. Compare [[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire]], or even [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] [[User talk:Cryptic|(talk)]] 11:03, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
:I think that it's going to be revised and end up like that after a while- we just need the basics to work with first. -[[User:Koolman2|koolman2]] 11:06, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry folks, I know these summaries are quite in-depth, but I was hoping by outlining the basic plot it could later be refined into something a little more concise and succinct. But I think a summary does need to be added, and since I guess I'm the primary author, I'll have to do the bulk of the summarising and the other users can break it down afterwards. Cheers!
PS: I have done the summaries for every single chapter so far, I know they got into more detail as they progressed but that is because the later chapters have a lot more storyline to summarise. People have edited the first first summaries into "important event" form, so maybe someone could do this here? Thanks.
[[User:CronoDroid|CronoDroid]] 21:24 16 July 2005 (GMT +10, Daylight Savings)
== Front page ==
Perhaps we could get the link to this article moved off of the front page? I would venture to guess that most of the vandels are coming from there. I think it'll more of a problem than most articles. - [[User:Koolman2|koolman2]] 10:39, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
:It's probably one of the biggest current events at the moment. (''Unsigned comment by {{user|68.163.207.106}}'')
== Edit War ==
I'm fairly new to edit wars (first one, actually), and I'm not exactly sure on how to resolve it with an anonymous user. Help is appreciated! I tried putting a note to the discussion in an edit, but it doesn't show up. Thanks, -[[User:Koolman2|koolman2]] 12:10, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
*I've been in a few before (most notably with [[User:Argyrosargyrou|Argyrosargyrou]] and his many [[Wikipedia:Sock puppet|sockpuppets]]). The best way to deal with it is to request page protection for now, and then deal with the issue on the Talk page. Admins can still edit protected pages, and they will then add what needs to be added (which can be proposed on the Talk page). [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 12:15, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
**Edit wars are fun. Anyway, you can warn the user, only if that user is posting vandalism. You could also lock the article from being editted. (''Unsigned comment by {{user|68.163.207.106}}'')
**It seems to be resolved... for now... -[[User:Koolman2|koolman2]]
***Not resolved. I'm just waiting for you to get your guard down.
*I've just requested page protection, to deal with the edit war and the vandalism. That should put an end to this travesty for now. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 12:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
**It seems an admin may be needed to deal with this. The problem is [[User:CronoDroid|CronoDroid]] won't be able to put up his summaries if the page is locked, which ironically is what started this in the first place. I guess it depends on what people want to do. [[User:Adolytsi|Adolytsi]] 12:24, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
***It seems an admin may be needed to deal with this. The problem is [[User:CronoDroid|CronoDroid]] won't be able to put up his summaries if the page is locked, which ironically is what started this in the first place. I guess it depends on what people want to do. [[User:Adolytsi|Adolytsi]] 12:24, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
****This is perfect. If CronoDroid can't update the summaries, I have no reason to stay here. You just did the work for me.
*****Two problems for you:
:::::1) If the page is locked, it will most likely be locked on the version of Koolman2 and myself, not on your version. So anyone will be exposed to the plot, which you seem to despise.
:::::2) The page can still be updated, via an admin.
:::::[[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 12:28, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
******Someone suggested there be a separate page for spoilers, that can be merged with this one in a few days.
*There are over two dozens (and more and more) of us against one or two of them. We outnumber them many times over. Majority rule. I don't see why the majority have to submit their will to the whim of the minority. This is obviously some ego or power trip for those two guys, to want to force the majority into a compromise or concession. If it comes to a war, each of us will just have to put in five minutes (each) to clean up their messes, and the two of them will have to spend 24/7 in here just to keep up with us. Unless they are willing to give up their lives, they can't win.
**I do my best work alone.
Nice edit, 84.12.172.95
Thanks. I thought it was about time the war stopped - it was just getting silly.
== Harassment Issue ==
If you don't like what I'm doing, that's fine. Revert the pages back or send me a message. Don't cuss me out on the history page.
*Cuss you? We don't even know who you are, not even a fake name. We only have an IP address. It's pointless to cuss at an IP address.
"Wikipedia is not a majoritarian democracy
**Wikipedia is not anarchy either.
Wikipedia is not an experiment in majoritarian democracy. Its primary method of finding consensus is discussion, not voting. That is, majority opinion does not necessarily rule in Wikipedia..."
**Exactly. So by ganging up on me, the reverters will accomplish nothing.
***Spammers, not reverters, will accomplish nothing.
-----Could we just place an overall synopsis of the book on this page, and the more detailed synopsis on the Spoilers/Rumors page? Thanks! LevisMortis
== I added the spoiler information... ==
to the Crystal ball website. It only makes sense to have it there, in the short-term.
The information WILL become available sooner rather than later----but we ought to place the spoilers elsewhere.
*Thank you very much.
== Finished my stint as summariser ==
Okay folks, CronoDroid here, I hope you have enjoyed my editing and summarising! I really need sleep and I just thought I would tell you guys that I can't edit for about another eleven-twelve hours (sleep is important). So could someone else become summariser, please? I have done about 17 chapters in 13 hours, so someone (or many people) can do the next 13, I'm sure. Thank you and goodnight!!
I hope that everyone out there has appreciated my summaries.
[[User:CronoDroid|CronoDroid]] 23:00 16 JULY 2005 (GMT +10, Daylight Savings)
*I think the summaries are way too detailed. We need to shorten them further, but they're a good start.
*I think they are great just the way they are. CronoDroid did a fantastic job.
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