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[[Image:Nathaniel_Hawthorne_old.jpg|thumb|right|180px|Nathaniel Hawthorne in the 1860s]]
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'''Nathaniel Hawthorne''' ([[July 4]], [[1804]] – [[May 19]], [[1864]]) was a [[19th century]] [[United States|American]] [[the novel|novelist]] and [[short story]] writer. He is seen as a key figure in the development of [[American literature]].
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==Biography==
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He was born in [[Salem, Massachusetts]], where his [[Nathaniel Hawthorne Birthplace|birthplace]] is now a house museum, and died in [[Plymouth, New Hampshire]]. Hawthorne's father was a sea captain and descendant of [[John Hathorne]], one of the judges who oversaw the [[Salem Witch Trials]]. Hawthorne's father died at sea in 1808 of [[yellow fever]], when Hawthorne was only four years old, and Nathaniel was raised secluded from the world by his mother.
Hawthorne attended [[Bowdoin College]] in [[Maine]] from 1821–1824, befriending classmates [[Henry Wadsworth Longfellow]] and future president [[Franklin Pierce]]. Until the publication of his [[Twice-Told Tales]] in 1837, Hawthorne wrote in the comparative obscurity of what he called his "owl's nest" in the family home. As he looked back on this period of his life, he wrote: "I have not lived, but only dreamed about living" [letter to Longfellow, June 4, 1837]. And yet it was this period of brooding and writing that had formed, as [[Malcolm Cowley]] was to describe it, "the central fact in Hawthorne's career," his "term of apprenticeship" that would eventually result in the "richly meditated fiction."
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Hawthorne was hired in 1839 as a weigher and gauger at the [[Boston, Massachusetts|Boston]] Custom House. He had become engaged in the previous year to the [[illustrator]] and [[Transcendentalism|transcendentalist]] [[Sophia Peabody]]. Seeking a possible home for himself and Sophia, he joined the transcendentalist [[utopian]] community at [[Brook Farm]] in 1841; later that year, however, he left when he became dissatisfied with the experiment. (His Brook Farm adventure would prove an inspiration for his novel, [[The Blithedale Romance]].) He married Sophia in 1842; they moved to [[The Old Manse]] in [[Concord, Massachusetts]], where they lived for three years. Hawthorne and his wife then moved to [[The Wayside]], previously a home of the Alcotts. Their neighbors in Concord included [[Ralph Waldo Emerson]] and [[Henry David Thoreau]].
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[[Image:Nathaniel Hawthorne - Project Gutenberg eText 15161.jpg|thumbnail|left|180px|Nathaniel Hawthorne illustrated in an 1870 publication]]
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Like Hawthorne, Sophia was a reclusive person. She was, in fact, bedridden with headaches until her sister introduced her to Hawthorne, after which her headaches seem to have abated. The Hawthornes enjoyed a long marriage, and Sophia was greatly enamored of her husband's work. In one of her journals, she writes: "I am always so dazzled and bewildered with the richness, the depth, the... jewels of beauty in his productions that I am always looking forward to a second reading where I can ponder and muse and fully take in the miraculous wealth of thoughts" [Jan 14th 1851, Journal of Sophia Hawthorne. Berg Collection NY Public Library].
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In 1846 Hawthorne was appointed surveyor (determining the quantity and value of imported goods) at the Salem Custom House. Like his earlier appointment to the custom house in Boston, this employment was vulnerable to the politics of the [[spoils system]]. When Hawthorne later wrote [[The Scarlet Letter]], he included a long introductory essay depicting his time at the Salem Custom House. He lost this job due to the change of administration in Washington after the presidential election of 1848. In 1852 he wrote the [[campaign biography]] of his old friend, Franklin Pierce. With Pierce's election as president, Hawthorne was rewarded in 1853 with the position of United States consul in [[Liverpool]]. In 1857 he resigned from this post and did some traveling in France and Italy. He and his family returned to The Wayside in 1860. Failing health began to prevent him from completing new writings. Hawthorne died in his sleep on [[May 19]], [[1864]] in Plymouth, N.H. while on a tour of the White Mountains with Pierce.
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Nathaniel and Sophia Hawthorne had three children: Una, Julian, and Rose. Una suffered from mental illness and died young. Julian moved out west and wrote a book about his father. Rose converted to Roman Catholicism and took her vows as a Dominican nun. She founded [http://www.hawthorne-dominicans.org/found.htm a religious order] to care for victims of cancer.
=== Articles with disputes ===
*[[Reparative therapy]] anonymous user edit warring, attempting to include dubious evidence using biased sources that the decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM was due to "intimidation". Anonymous user is also editing the [[Homosexuality]] article with his anti-gay POV.
*[[Talk:Transsexual#critical perspective?]] somebody who claims "transexualism to be one of the most horribly perverse and ludicrous ideas in the world" complains that the article is too "fanboyish"
*[[Gwen Araujo]] revert war about whether her murderers detected "that Gwen was in fact a pre-operative [[transsexual]] woman" or "that Gwen had male genitalia"
*[[Genderqueer]] and [[genderfuck]] have a POV warrior who really does not like the concepts.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ed_Poor The Fred Phelps of Wikipedia] (or is he the "homophobia denialist"?) has once again turned his attentions to things gay. Have a look at his contributions and see if you can undo some of the damage.
*[[Transgender]] Repeated anon attempt to make up a dichotomy that just doesn't exist; namely, that there are two contradicory definions, one by some "transsexuals" who tried to "hijack" the term or something.
*[[AIDS in the United States]] Uncle Ed has "worked" on that one and removed quite a bit of content.
*[[Ciara]] Usual removal of the TG/IS bit; a few more eyes to spot that would be nice, but no big business there.
*[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency]] - attempt at censoring Wikipedia. [[User:-Ril-|<nowiki>~~</nowiki><nowiki>~~</nowiki>]] ( [[User:-Ril-/BarBoy|!]] | [[User:-Ril-/Temple Bar|?]] | [[User:-Ril-/Nissa|*]] ) 11:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[Heather Stilwell]], [[User:Gcapp1959]] is opposed to the inclusion of this page on LGBT rights opposition category, yet goes on and on about Stilwell's opposition to LGBT rights on the talk page--[[User:BillC38|BillC38]] 05:35, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
*'''[[Talk:List of famous gay, lesbian or bisexual people]]''', controversy as to whether to add [[Julius Caesar]] and [[Sigmund Freud]]
**[[User:Paul August]] suggests that Caesar denied his relation with King Nicomedes but is unable to find a citation for this claim
**[[User:Willmcw]] suggests that Freud may not have believed in his own theories that all humans are at least somewhat bisexual and even if he did he would need a corresponding sex act to be listed
**I suggest that they both be added unless someone can provide evidence that Caesar denied his relation with Nicomedes and that Freud did not believe in his own theories.
**More broadly I reject Willmcw's assertion that you must partake in a sex act to be listed. This is incorrect. The dictionary defines sexual orientation by attractions not sex acts. Otherwise if a heterosexual was raped by a homosexual the heterosexual would now be bisexual for merely being raped.
*'''[[Mashhad]]''' Article about Iranian city is subject to a concerted cover-up campaign by users of Iranian background invested in suppressing information on recent executions of Arab boys for making love. [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] 10:58, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
* '''[[Barebacking]]''' --- dispute over the actual meaning of the term: does it refer mainly to unprotected anal sex among gay men, or does it mean any for of unprotected sexual activity among people of any gender? [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 21:22, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
**Update: dispute continues, with only one outside comment thus far despite listing here and on RFC. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 23:37, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
*** I think this is mostly settled now, that both meanings are in use. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 06:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
*'''[[Heteronormativity]]''' [[User:Uthar Wynn 01]] attached the NPOV tag. Problem is, s/he seems to be complaining about what heteronormativity ''is'' rather than what the article ''says'' about it. [[User:Sethmahoney|Seth Mahoney]] 14:54, July 18, 2005 (UTC) <br> Also, edit war about a rewrite that was below par. [[User:AlexR|AlexR]] 05:00, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
*'''[[Anti-gay slogan]]''' [[User:Sam Spade]] has attached the NPOV tag to the article, claiming it represents a pro-gay POV. [[User:Sethmahoney|Seth Mahoney]] 01:00, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
**Update: Sam now wants to use references from the Family Research Council and Fathers for ... something or other (I keep forgetting), two notoriously anti-gay organizations. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 03:54, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
*'''[[Homosexuality]]''' [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] 03:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
*'''[[Paraphilia]]''' over the definition of [[transvestic fetishism]] [[User:AlexR|AlexR]] 04:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
*'''[[Batman]]''' Anon deletes academic discussion of history of homoerotic interpretations of Batman and Robin, and no one bothers to revert it, as though it was dirt. Here is the entry on the deletion: ''15:38, 17 Jun 2005 206.201.180.226 (Removed homosexual stuff)'' I do not want to get into a revert war with this bigot, I hope some people here will pay some attention to this. [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] 01:31, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**I actually am very interested in this sort of interpretation of comic art. I just don't have Batman on my watch list. Thanks for pointing it out. -[[User:Sethmahoney|Seth Mahoney]] 02:47, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
**Articulate editor newly re-deletes Batman panel with homoerotic overtones. His reason? ''"The panel is fcuking stupid. It should not be in here."'' [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] 01:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
**Gay Batman in the news: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4167032.stm DC Comics files cease and desist order] - [[User:Outerlimits|Outerlimits]] 04:26, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
*'''[[Homosexuality and Christianity]]'''
*'''[[Gender]]''', particularly [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gender&diff=13747491&oldid=13740273]; [[User:Njyoder]] made some rather sweeping edits, and he isn't known for accepting other people's opinion.
*'''[[The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln]]''' (previously titled [[Sexuality of Abraham Lincoln]]; POV, weasel phrases, title and article's existence are disputed
* '''[[Eli Siegel]]''' founder of [[Aesthetic Realism]] which promised to "cure" homosexuality. Several supporters of Siegel, or perhaps one supporter from a dynamic IP, persistantly revert the Siegel article to a puff piece and remove any critical info or sources.
* '''[[Patpong]]''' and '''[[Nana Plaza]]''': use of the phrase "[[kathoey]]s ([[transwomen]]) instead of, or in addition to, women", See discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Kathoey]]
*'''[[List of transgendered people]]''' an AOL editor with a past history of vandalism has been systematically removing three "Catholic" entries on the list over the last few months, by covering over the edits with other edits in the article. The individual has now reverted to the old tactic of strategically placing internal notes within the article to hide the three entries from public viewing.
*'''[[Anti-gay slogan]]''' - [[User:Thomas Aquinas]] believes the article is biased against people opposed to same-sex sex.
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Hawthorne is best-known today for his many [[short story|short stories]] (he called them "tales") and his four major [[romance (genre)|romances]] of 1850–60: ''[[The Scarlet Letter]]'' (1850), ''[[The House of the Seven Gables]]'' (1851), ''[[The Blithedale Romance]]'' (1852), and ''[[The Marble Faun]]'' (1860). (Another book-length romance, ''[[Fanshawe (novel)|Fanshawe]]'', was published anonymously in 1828.)
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*'''[[Biology and sexual orientation]]''' & '''[[Choice and sexual orientation]]''', both articles are poorly written and hardly readable. Could use some contributions, a possible source could be this week's eleven page Boston Globe article, [http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2005/08/14/what_makes_people_gay/?page=1 "What makes people gay?"]. I recently renamed the two from "environment, choice, and sexual orientation" to "choice and sexual orientation" and "genetics and sexual orientation" to "biology and sexual orientation". Clearly the prenatal hormonal theories (which contradict the choice crowd) do not belong on the same page, the genetics and hormones are more appropriately pasted together under the umbrella of biology. I also suggest that all contributions from this point forward be required to have footnote citation similar to that seen on [[intelligent design]]. This would do wonders to improve transparency and accountability as well as provide a deterrent against [[original research]].
*'''[[Category talk:Homosexuality in Singapore]]''' vs. '''[[Category talk:Sexual minorities in Singapore]]''' - Yep, ''this'' old debate again. The category was moved to the latter title this morning. I've posted to the user's talk page ([[User talk:Groyn88]]) to ask for clarification.
*'''[[:Image:TGirlsMoviePoster.png]]''' and the only article that still uses it, [[pornography]], over the caption of the pic - "ladies" versus transwomen, currently. Problem user is most likely the same person who is engaged in that mindless picture-throwing recently.
* '''[[Anal sex]]''' -- a user wants to include a lot of irrelevant, poorly written, unnecessary information, some of it speculative. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 19:38, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
* '''[[Bareback]]''' -- disagreement over the meaning of the term. One user insists that bareback applies to any form of unprotected sex between persons of either gender; I disagree. Bareback is a term that originated and still refers to unprotected anal sex between men. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 19:47, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
* '''[[Talk:Clay Aiken]]''' - Heated discussion in process about a) whether or not to include a paragraph stating some people think Clay may be gay and b) whether or not to include a link to what may be a website with questionable content. 7 July 2005 16:26 (UTC)
** Now there's a revert war in process over that link in the article. Please help. 8 July 2005 20:45 (UTC)
Before publishing his first collection of tales in 1837, Hawthorne wrote scores of [[short story|short stories]] and sketches, publishing them anonymously or [[pseudonym|pseudonymously]] in periodicals such as ''The New-England Magazine'' and ''The United States Democratic Review''. Only after collecting a number of his short stories into the two-volume ''[[Twice-Told Tales]]'' in 1837 did Hawthorne begin to attach his name to his works.
* '''[[Talk:Natalie Wood]]''' — one editor has added references to Wood's friendships with gay men, backed up by a citation. Another editor insists on excluding it as "gossip". -- 5 July 2005 11:07 (UTC)
**Another take on the problem might read: One anon editor has added references to Wood's friendships with gay men, backed up by a citation. Another editor insists on excluding it as a disingenious and misleading effort by the anon to ultimately support an assertion in the [[Elvis Presley]] article that Presley was gay. 5 July 2005 11:41 (UTC)
Much of Hawthorne's work is set in colonial [[New England]], and many of his short stories have been read as moral [[allegory|allegories]] influenced by his [[Puritan]] background. "Ethan Brand" (1850) tells the story of a lime-burner who sets off to find the Unpardonable Sin, and in doing so, commits it. One of Hawthorne's most famous tales, "[[The Birth-Mark]]" (1843), concerns a young doctor who removes a birthmark from his wife's face, an operation which kills her. Other well-known tales include "[[Rappaccini's Daughter]]" (1844), "[[My Kinsman, Major Molineux]]" (1832), "[[The Minister's Black Veil]]" (1836), and "[[Young Goodman Brown]]" (1835). "The Maypole of [[Merrymount]]" recounts a most interesting encounter between the Puritans and the forces of anarchy and hedonism.
*'''[[Talk:KJ]]''', '''[[Talk:Jamie Denton]]''' - are their inclusions in [[:Category:Gay icons]] (and [[:Category:Sex symbols]]) verifiable, NPOV and encyclopedic? [[User:Samaritan|Samaritan]] 02:22, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Recent criticism has focused on Hawthorne's narrative voice, treating it as a self-conscious [[rhetoric|rhetorical]] construction, not to be conflated with Hawthorne's own voice. Such an approach complicates the long-dominant tradition of regarding Hawthorne as a gloomy, guilt-ridden [[moralist]].
*'''[[talk:International Lesbian and Gay Association]]'''. Editorial consensus is needed on how to handle the previous membership in the ILGA of [[NAMBLA]] and other pedophile groups. Currently, about 2/3 of the article is devoted to these groups which were expelled in 1994, with very little attention given the the bulk of members or the aims of the ILGA. A better balance should be possible. -[[User:Willmcw|Willmcw]] 23:35, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
** '''[[ILGA]]''' ([[Talk:International Lesbian and Gay Association|talk]]) I'd like to bump this up. Ongoing dispute related to alleged links between pedophile groups and the gay rights groups that founded the ILGA. [[User:Lmno]] continues to add poorly sourced content into the article that would, IMHO, seem to be [[original research]] and [[NPOV]] - a non-significant minority viewpoint on the evidence. Any comments that would help resolve the impasse would be gratefully received. [[User:Axon|Axon]] 21:43, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Hawthorne enjoyed a brief friendship with [[United States|American]] [[novelist]] [[Herman Melville]] beginning on [[August 5]] [[1850]], when the two authors met at a picnic hosted by a mutual friend. Melville had just read Hawthorne's short story collection ''[[Mosses from an Old Manse]]'', which Melville later praised in a famous review, "Hawthorne and His Mosses." Melville's letters to Hawthorne provide insight into the composition of ''[[Moby-Dick]],'' which Melville dedicated to Hawthorne, 'in appreciation for his genius.' Hawthorne's letters to Melville did not survive.
*"Around the world" articles: I am currently merging the tables in [[Gay rights around the world]] into the table at [[Homosexuality laws of the world]]. But there are a slew of "Gay Rights in Foo" articles to link. I'm reluctant to do so until the names are fixed. We certainly need to lowercase "Rights", but I'm wondering if "gay rights" is the right name. Thoughts? Contributions to individual country articles are also very welcome. They were written by an anonymous IP who is not a native English speaker. Most or all of them are also listed in [[:Category:LGBT stubs]]. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 06:33, 21 May 2005 (UTC) See discussion at '''[[Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Naming of country articles]]'''
[[Edgar Allan Poe]] wrote important, though largely unflattering reviews of both ''Twice-Told Tales'' and ''Mosses from an Old Manse''.
* '''[[Talk:Transsexual]]''', particularly "Requirements Changes", for those interested, also the "treatment" topic. Nick proposes writing parts of the article in a way that I fear violates NPOV (although in other texts I have done pretty much the same thing - only those were political documents, not WP articles). Would like a comment before I edit the text again; if more people agree with Nick, then me edting won't be necessary. -- [[User:AlexR|AlexR]] 11:26, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
==See also==
* '''[[Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion#CfD.2C_Supercategories_and_Subcategories.|Categories for deletion/Supercategories and Subcategories]]''' - slightly off-topic, a proposal to change how entries are added to multiple categories. I believe this may address the problem underlying the LGBT category controversy. -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 19:53, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
* ''[[The Snow-Image, and Other Twice-Told Tales]]''
==External links==
* '''[[Talk:David Dreier]]''' (scroll down a bit, and it's a lot of reading) if you wish to see an experience of consensus that I found worthwhile. If anyone wants to fine tune the [[David Dreier]] article further, thinks it doesn't report on the situation of the 2004 election accurately, or still has comments, they would be very welcome: probably best on that article's talk page. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 19:33, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
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*Eric Eldred's [http://www.eldritchpress.org/nh/hawthorne.html excellent Hawthorne site] at Eldritch Press contains all of Hawthorne's works, notes on the writings, annotated editions,and lots of other information.
*The [http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org Hawthorne in Salem Website] was funded in May of 2000 by a three-year grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities and is a collaborative effort of North Shore Community College in Danvers, Massachusetts, and three Salem, Massachusetts museums with important Hawthorne collections.
*[[Herman Melville]]'s appreciation, [http://209.11.144.65/eldritchpress/nh/hahm.html "Hawthorne and His Mosses"] (1850)
*[[Henry James]]'s important book-length study, ''[http://209.11.144.65/eldritchpress/nh/nhhj1.html Hawthorne]'' (1879)
*WBUR's celebration of Nathaniel Hawthorne at 200, [http://www.wbur.org/arts/2005/48691_20050101.asp], with links to NPR's "The Connection" on Hawthorne's birthday, as well as an interview with author Phillip McFarland.
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*'''[[Talk:Set (mythology)]]''' should Set (Egyptian god) be described as "gay" or as "homosexual", and should Ash (Egypto-Libyan god) be described as Set's "boyfriend" or "partner" ? [[User:-Ril-|<nowiki>~~</nowiki><nowiki>~~</nowiki>]] 14:45, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
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*'''[[The Bible and homosexuality]]''' numerous issues, including "us" vs. "them" layout. [[User:-Ril-|<nowiki>~~</nowiki><nowiki>~~</nowiki>]] 08:28, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
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*[[Template:Sexual orientation]] and [[Template talk:Sexual orientation]] - besides problems mentioned with the content on the talk page, so far nobody questioned whether this is all that useful in the first place. More comments would be useful.
*What is the correct name? is it LGBT or something else:
**[[Wikipedia:LGBT notice board/Archive 1#LGBT, queer and definition]] - about topic names in Wikipedia
**[[Talk:LGBT]] - older discussion about topic names in Wikipedia.
**[[Talk:LGBT#Transgender or Transgendered]] Which is preferred?
*The ethics of outing on Wikipedia.
**[[Talk:David Dreier]]
**[[Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Outing]]
*[[Talk:Oscar Wilde]] - controversy as to whether to describe Wilde as "gay" or "homosexual."
*[[Wikipedia:LGBT notice board/Archive 1#Mergers and renames]] - proposed article renames and mergers.
*[[Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Categorization of articles]] proper categorization of LGBT articles
*It hasn't been requested yet, but there's a suggestion that [[:Category:LGBT rights opposition]] be changed to [[:Category:LGBT political issues]], which I fully support, though it does leave certain figures like Fred Phelps without any appropriate category.
== Recent decisions ==
=== Category for deletion votes ===
* [[:Category:Minor Singapore LGBT articles]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 August 1|CfD log 2005 August 1]])'' — The result was '''merge''' with [[:Category:Homosexuality in Singapore]]
* [[:Category:Gay icons]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 July 29#Category:Gay icons|CfD log 2005 July 29]])'' — The result was '''no consensus (keep)'''
* [[:Category:LGBT identities]] vs. [[:Category:Sexual orientation and identity]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_26#Category:LGBT_identities_vs_Category:Sexual_orientation_and_identity|CfD log 2005 July 26]])'' — The result was '''no consensus (keep)'''
* [[:Category:AIDS victims]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 July 25|CfD log 2005 July 25]])'' — The result was '''No consensus (keep)''' even though most people did not like the name of the category. Renamed to [[:Category:AIDS-related deaths]] by [[User:Bearcat]]; see [[Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Rename Category:AIDS victims|discussion here]].
* [[:Category:Anti-gay rights legislation]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 19|CfD log 2005 June 19]])'' - The result was to '''rename''' as [[:Category:LGBT-related legislation]]
* [[:Category:LGBT rights opposition]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 19|CfD log 2005 June 19]])'' - The result was '''no consensus (keep)'''
* [[:Category:LGBT Ancient Greeks]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 14|CfD log 2005 June 14]])'' - The result was '''delete'''
* [[:Category:Homosexual philosophers]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 14|CfD log 2005 June 14]])'' - The result was '''no consensus (keep)'''
* [[:Category:Philosophers by sexuality and gender]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 14|CfD log 2005 June 14]])'' - The result was '''delete'''
* [[:Category:Bisexual philosophers]] ''([[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 14|CfD log 2005 June 14]])'' - The result was '''delete'''
* Rename [[:Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people]] to [[:Category:Gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender people]] ''[[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_May_4#.5B.5B:Category:Gay.2C_lesbian_or_bisexual_people.5D.5D|CfD 2005 May 4]]'' - The result of the vote was '''rename'''.
* Reinstate all deleted subcategories of [[:Category:LGBT]] ''[[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 May 7#Gay, lesbian, and bisexual / LGBT occupational categories|CfD 2005 May 7]]'' - The categories had been deleted after a debate without most of the people who worked on creating and populating the categories. - The result of the vote was '''reinstate all'''.
=== Article votes for deletion ===
''See also archives: [[Wikipedia:LGBT notice board/Archived VFD votes (2005)|2005]]''
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* [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Lesbian literature]] (closed ''[[August 11]], [[2005]]'') — result was '''keep''', by virtue of no [[Wikipedia:consensus|consensus]].
* [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Leviticus 18]] (closed ''[[August 9]], [[2005]]'') — result was '''keep'''.
* [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Bible and homosexuality]] (closed ''[[August 6]], [[2005]]'') — result was '''keep''', by virtue of no [[Wikipedia:consensus|consensus]].
* [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Queerteachers]] (closed ''[[August 4]], [[2005]]'') — result was '''delete'''.
* [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Lgbtq]] (closed ''[[July 31]], [[2005]]'') — result was '''delete''' and redirect to [[LGBT]].
* [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Gay cruising grounds in Britain]] (closed ''[[July 25]], [[2005]]) — result was '''keep'''.
*[[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Beard (female companion)]] (''[[13 July]] [[2005]]'') - result was '''keep'''.
*[[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Innate bisexuality]] (''[[7 July]] [[2005]]'') - result was '''keep'''.
*[[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Duressed bi-curiosity]] (''[[7 July]] [[2005]]'') - result was ''delete''.
*[[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/One National Gay & Lesbian Archives]] (''[[4 July]] [[2005]]'') - result was '''keep'''.
*[[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Reduced Gene Pool Argument]] (''[[July 2]], [[2005]]'') - result was '''delete'''.
*[[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Either Or Argument]] (''[[July 2]], [[2005]]'') - result was '''delete'''.
*[[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property]] (''[[1 July]] [[2005]]'') - result was '''keep'''.
=== Templates for deletion ===
* [[:Template:Sexual orientation]]: No consensus to delete (ergo '''keep'''): [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_deletion&diff=21724353&oldid=21722635]
=== Resolved disputes ===
*[[Abbas I of Safavid]]
*[[Stephen Spender]]
== Recent articles ==
===August 2005===
* [[The Cairo 52]] [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 17:02, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
* [[Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni]] [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 03:44, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
* [[Male prostitute]] --[[User:NYArtsnWords|NYArtsnWords]] 19:06, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
===July 2005===
* [[Sexual orientation]] recently rewritten. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 13:29, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
* [[The Celluloid Closet]]
===June 2005===
* [[Stephen Spender's sexuality]] (proposed merger with [[Stephen Spender]]
* [[Capital Gay]]
===May 2005===
* [[Tellak]]
* [[Kocek]]
* [[Straight acting]]
* [[Guerilla Gay Bar]]
* [[Baccha]]
** Should this one be listed among the Transgender in non-western cultures as well, like Kocek? [[User:AlexR|AlexR]]
** I think so, though what is not quite clear to me is to what extent the boys were naturally transgendered, versus adopting the transgender role as a professional accomodation. [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] 03:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
== Articles needing work ==
'''Stubs can be found at [[:Category:LGBT stubs]].'''
* [[White Night Riots]] - expansion requested since May, 2004. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 07:08, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[Jonathan Ned Katz]] - I just created this article. It could probably use a copyedit, and I don't have my copy of ''The Invention of Heterosexuality'' handy, so if someone does, it might be useful to check my summary. Also, some info on his other works would be nice, too. -[[User:Sethmahoney|Seth Mahoney]] 20:28, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
* [[Euan Sutherland]] — I just created this article, as I was surprised it didn't exist, but I have work in the morning and it's now 1am, so I don't have time to research the article properly (and my memory of the mid-[[1990s]] isn't that great) — [[User:OwenBlacker|OwenBlacker]] 00:03, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
* [[Gay]] has suffered from bizarre and rambling edits and needs serious work to improve the article.
* [[David and Jonathan]] is extensive, and [[David]], but [[Jonathan]] is a stub/disambig
* [[Two-Spirit]] was either previously [[Berdache]] or merged with it or something - the article still can't decided what term it is about. Fixed at least first paragraph, but still not good. Maybe somebody with personal knowledge can help out here. -- [[User:AlexR|AlexR]] 12:36, 14 May 2005 (UTC) ''(discussion [[Wikipedia:LGBT_notice_board/Archive 1#Two-Spirit|here]])''
*[[LGBT literature]] - rough ouline of the subject, needs a great deal of work.[[User:Ganymead|Ganymead]] 06:08, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
* [[Legal recognition of same-sex couples in the United States]]
* [[Societal attitudes towards homosexuality]]
* [[Sexual orientation and military service]] - I just created it. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 02:25, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
* [[Pedophilia and homosexuality]]
* [[Pedophilia and sexual orientation]]
===Mergers===
* [[Same-sex attraction]] -> [[Terminology of homosexuality]]. Discussion [[Talk:Same-sex attraction|here]]
* [[Pseudo-homosexuality]] -> [[Situational sexual behavior]]. Discussion [[Talk:Pseudo-homosexuality|here]]. (''[[11 June]] [[2005]]'')
* [[Anti-gay slogan]] -> Merge with [[Societal attitudes towards homosexuality]], keeping the list of accusations whole, at the request of [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]]
===Done===
* [[Crystal and sex]]. I just started this article and have a lot more to add. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 21:28, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
:I think the title "Crystal meth and sex" would be clearer and more precise for the above. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 07:25, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
::See discussion of page moves on [[Talk:Crystal and sex]].
* <s>[[Religion and heterosexuality]] -> Merge with [[Religion and sexual orientation]] and [[Religion and sexuality]].</s> (done)
* <s>[[Religion and homosexuality]] -> Merge with [[Religion and sexual orientation]]</s> (done)
* <s>[[Sexual morality]] -> Move to [[Religion and sexuality]], which is a much more self-descriptive title.</s> (done)
* <s>[[Pejorative terms for failed gender roles]] -> [[Gender role]]</s> (done)
== Missing articles ==
* [[Gay and lesbian history]]
* [[Gay fiction]]
* [[Gay film]]
* [[Gay literature]]
* [[Lesbian fiction]]
* [[Lesbian film]]
* [[Lesbian literature]]
* [[LGBT film]]
:''for discussion on the above topics, see [[Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Missing Articles]]''
* [[Trans history]]
* [[Questioning]]
==Missing Categories==
*[[:Category:Gay and lesbian historians]]
*[[:Category:Queer historians]]
*[[:Category:Trans historians]]
== Active Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues ==
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==See also==
* [[List of gay-related topics]]
* [[Wikipedia:LGBT notice board/categories|List of LGBT-related categories]]
[[Category:WikiProjects|LGBT notice board]]
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