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==Copyright issues?==

[[Category:Mexican people by city|Colima]]

This looks like a simple copy and paste from somewhere else, so there may be copyright issues involved.

[[Category:People from Colima|Colima]]

--[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 05:35, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Copied and pasted from [http://www.rohingyatimes.i-p.com/history/history_maa.html here], it seems. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 19:34, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Neutrality Issue ==

The position of the article is that Rohingyas are indigenous people of Rakhine (Arakan) state. However, it is a hotly debated issue. Most of the Burmese and the Arakanese people regard Rohingyas as the foreigners migrated from the areas of the present day Bangladesh during the 19th and early 20th century during the British colonial rule. Some of the British historical accounts also supported that fact. In my personal opinion, Rohingyas are in fact the migrated people, because they lack the hallmarks of the indigenous people, such as the old historical monuments, e.g. ancient mosques, etc. If they have resided in this area for hundreds of years, there should surely remain the archeological traces. For comparison, the indigenous Arakanese has a lot of historical monuments such as old temples. Again, although it can be inferred from that article that Rohingyas are the descendants of the Arab people, it is doubtful. Rohingyas in fact look like Bangladeshis, and may belong to the same ethnic group. We may need anthropological researches to confirm it. Although it may be true that a small group of Arabs settled in Arakan state hundreds of years ago, it is not very likely that their population now grows to millions. Also, the Rohingya culture (including their language) is more closely related to Bangladeshis than that of Arabs. However, I do not mean that the Rohingyas should be treated as the second-class citizens of Burma only because they are not indigenous. They should be granted their full citizenship rights as much as that of the Burmese and Arakanese people, because they are now residing in Burma for at least 3-4 generations. (The case may be comparable to that of the African-Americans and Asian-Americans in the USA.)

Secondly, regarding the treatment of the present military regime on Rohingyas, although it is true that the junta has been maltreating and discriminating Rohingyas, they are not denied their outright citizenships. There are millions of Rohingyas holding Burmese citizenship certificates issued by the junta. (Z. Aung)

== Rohingyas are the people of Arakan. ==

There are two main groups of people, the Buddhist Rakhine(formerly known as Moug) and The Muslim Rohingyas in Arakan State. Of course there are many historical monuments that prove that Muslims has been in Arakan since thousands years ago. One mosque in Mrauk U is still there which was built in 1600 and also there are archeological stone on which Arabic were written many hundreds years ago. Even the recent mosque built in Akyab was more than 200 hundreds years ago. Muslim Coins of Arakan are not lying the truth. When Burma invaded Arakan many Muslims were taken as slaves into the Central Burma particularly Mandalay City. There are still two mosques awarded by Burmese Kings and which were still in the center of the Burma's capital city Rangoon(Yangon). In 1942 more than 100,000 Rohingya people who were half the Muslim population of that time were massacred by Buddhist Rakhine by the help of Burmese government. Many had fled the Arakan to neighboring countries such as Pakistan(Currently Bangladesh) and India.

To tell the truth it was Rakhine Maug who migrated into Arakan in thousands in 1972 and onwards from Bangladesh hill track and there is no doubt that there are many Rakhines who have one home in Chittagong hill track and another home in Arakan. Come and tell me if this is not true.

Burma's brutal government always make big propaganda that the Muslims are the migrant people simply because Rohingyas are Muslims. Today Rohingyas are everywhere spread all over the world because of systematic persecutions of Muslims people to drive away from the counry. Today there are more than 1.5 millions Rohingya people out Arakan and became stateless people. Today Rohingyas people are urging international community to come in rescue of Rohingya people who are nearing to yellow level in endangered people list though Rohingyas inside the country are more than 2 millions. Imagine Refugees in 1978 amounted to quarter millions which are only one eight of the total Rohingyas in Arakan. If any body want to know about the atrocities towards the Rohingyas read the UN reports on Rohingyas.

Rakhine are enemies to Rohingyas as the Israelis are to Palestinian. Rakhine will never tell the truth towards the Rohingyas as Fire never tells the truth of the water.

:Ahhh, sorry, I think I've dropped by at the wrong moment, but I agree. Racism, ignorance and mutual animosity can go a long way to influence a person's writings which is clearly the case presented in the above node by a certain person who deems the Rohingyas as immigrants from neigbouring Bangladesh. You say "they look like Bangladeshis" simply because some of them do not belong to the mongoloid sphere which predominates the country? How simple-minded. I'm talking to that guy who created that ignorant "Rohingyas are migrants" node, by the way. -[[User:Eric Straven|<font color="orange">Eric</font>]] 15:41, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

==Copyvio==

While a discussion of this ethnic group is a valid topic for an encyclopedia, please do not cut and paste information from other sources into Wikipedia. The old page has been deleted as a copyright violation, please feel free to start again, but use your own words. --[[User:Petaholmes|nixie]] 04:25, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

:The current content has been taken from [http://www.rohingyatimes.i-p.com/history/history_maa.html Rohingyatimes article (The Land and the People section)]. The topic is important, considering the plight of the Rohingya people, so please start the article with your own words. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 23:26, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Restructuring ==

I restructured the article, because it was a huge mess. Also, most of the content seem to be taken off other websites, even the HTML tags were left behind. Anyway, I also removed some parts which were either bad english or irrelevant. Thanks . --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 20:34, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Naming the "External links" section to "Rohingya Website directory" is not a standard practice. In an encyclopedia, you cannot really create a portal or link collection claiming it as a directory. Also since this is an encyclopedia and not a website or blog, having a detailed list of Yahoo groups is not really very encyclopedic material. So, I renamed the section back to "External links" and removed the Yahoo Groups part. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 04:10, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

This article needs a serious amount of cleanup. I think it is contrary to wikipedia's policy to promote Yahoo groups, and also to mark sections claiming to be a directory of websites. Also, the copied content from www.freerohingyacampaign.org need to be verified as one with proper copyright permission under [[GFDL]]. I hope the contributors would stop promoting their website and put real, non-copyvio content on the plight of the Rohingya people. Right now, the article just promotes a website, and is definitely going for a VfD. Please work on cleaning up the article and make sure it remains non-copyvio. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 21:44, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

NONE YOUR BUSINESS MR. MAGH.. Go back to Bengali wiki and do it whatever you like MR. MAGH

:I also ask the current contributors who are extremely interested in changing the names of external links to "Website directory" ... please take a look at official Wikipedia guidelines [[Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Standard appendices]]. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 21:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

GO and Change in Bengali Wiki Mr. MAGH

:Please do not vandalize the talk page. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 22:28, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I really disagree with Ragib blaming that contributors are trying to promote their websites. First of all Rohingyas are world most oppressed people and they are in danger of disappearing if not helped in time. And Rohingya population are very few maximum 3.5 to 4 millions. I think this is the very reason that the contributors are trying to show as many website links as possible in their articles to spread the messages of Rohingya problems all over the world and not promoting for personal advantages. I hope in this view Mr. Ragib will try to help Rohingyas who are struggling for their causes, the cause for their very existance and the cause for their very basic human rights. [RL]

:I really don't see any point of contention between you and me, other than the use of copyrighted text, and a large number of links some of which seem quite unrelated and somewhat POV. The article at its current status is a copyvio, and such content is not allowed in wikipedia. The current contributors are not really helping the Rohingya cause by using copyrighted content, and reacting indecently to any proposal of cleaning up the article. Anyway, I am rewriting the article with proper structure and content, and would be delighted if others also contribute to it. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 01:38, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:: As a third party who happened across this discussion, I'd like to remind the contributors of the following:

::: '''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly . . . do not submit it.'''

:: This appears in the edit window every time that one submits an edit to Wikipedia. (Wikipedia is, after all, a [[wiki]].) It appears to me that the contributors are unwilling to abide by this, and any attempt to discuss the various edits are met with acrimony. (Also see [[User talk:Kunyia|here]].) I believe the contributors would be better off posting their material elsewhere, where it can remain under their direct control. I also suggest that, if this were to continue, it should be officially submitted for some sort of third-party review or moderation. -- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog ]] [[User_talk:Gyrofrog|(talk)]] 02:32, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Thanks, please see a proposed version I started writing at [[Rohingya/Temp]]. I now have the structure of the article there, and everyone is welcome to edit and comment on that. After changes I will fill out the sections gradually, with changes that are to be discussed here before hand. I just hope that would be ok with the original contributors, who are always welcome to contribute in a positive manner. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 02:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::: It looks like a good outline, though previously I was quite unfamiliar with the subject (as I said, I had really only stumbled across this). I did make a minor edit regarding format. Thanks for your efforts! -- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog ]] [[User_talk:Gyrofrog|(talk)]] 03:10, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==MR.MAGH==

USING WORD LIKE "MAGH ""???? IS IT BAD??? MR. MAGH

Why did you delete the word "MAGH Link to Rakhine"??

Plz don't ask me again?? You can look at the history Mr. MAGH..

Don't try to terrorist this article.

Good Luck Mr. MAGH

Please do not vandalize the talk page. Thanks.

:If you are referring to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rohingya&diff=15362365&oldid=15362339 this diff], you can see I removed/reworded clearly-copyrighted content from other websites, even the html tags were present there. As for the link, it talked about a ethnic community but the article linked there was a administrative region. If you have better wikilinks, you can always put it there. And finally, be a little *decent* in your comments before calling names. Thanks --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 23:16, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

MAGH ARE ALWAYS MAGH , DOG ARE ALWAYS DOG.. Who asked you to remove Mr. MAGH?

== Removing comments ==

It seems that some users are removing comments from the talk page. While the comments were definitely quite hostile, removing them make the other comments in reply to the removed comments, look out of context. So, for keeping the talk page consistent, the comments should not be blanked. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 08:26, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)