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The '''William (or Willie) Lynch Speech (or Letter)''' is a legendary speech, famous for its spurious origins. It has purported to embody a speech given to an audience on the bank of the [[James River (Virginia)|James River]] in [[Virginia]] in [[1712]] regarding control of [[slaves]] within the colony. The speaker, William Lynch, was allegedly a [[slave|slaveowner]] in the [[West Indies]], summoned to [[Virginia]] in [[1712]]; in part due to several slave seditions in the area prior to his visit, and his alleged reputation of being an authoritarian and strict slaveowner. Many argue that no proof for the speech has ever been supplied, and the text as given below contains numerous anachronisms (i.e. "self-refueling", for example, since the word refueling dates only to the early twentieth century, or "fool proof" a word not attested until the early twentieth century). In addition, the themes covered in the text do not appear to coincide with any of the known concerns of plantation owners in the early [[eighteenth century]]. Thus, many argue that the actual document was forged in the late ninteenth or twentieth centuries.

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== Text ==

== "Charismatic leadership" or "Charismatic authority" ==

The text of William Lynch Speech reads:

[[User:64.12.116.201]] is constantly changing "Under Hitler's [[leadership]]..." to "Under Hitler's [[charismatic leadership]]..." despite being reverted. This smells slightly of POV, <s>but I also don't think "charismatic leadership" should have its own article</s>. [[User:JIP|&mdash; <font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 12:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

: Gentlemen, I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First, I shall thank you, the gentlemen of the Colony of Virginia, for bringing me here. I am here to help you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me on my modest plantation in the West Indies where I have experimented with some of the newest and still the oldest methods of control of slaves.

*Having read [[charismatic authority]], I retract the latter part of my comment, and stand solely by the POV comment. [[User:JIP|&mdash; <font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 12:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

:::The article does not assert ''charismatic authority'', which has a specialized, socio-political definition. The common dictionary definition holds for use of the term ''charismatic'' in the article. [[User:Wyss|Wyss]] 15:48, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

: Ancient Rome would envy us if my program were implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish. I saw enough to know that your problem is not unique. While Rome used cords of woods as crosses for standing human bodies along its highways in great numbers you are here using the tree and the rope on occasion.

:::I notice that the adjective is wikified as [[charismatic leadership]] which redirs to [[charismatic authority]]. Re-reading that, I think the latter article may have some wording problems itself.

: I caught the whiff of a dead slave hanging from a tree a couple of miles back. You are not only losing a valuable stock by hangings, you are having uprisings, slaves are running away, your crops are sometimes left in the fields too long for maximum profit, you suffer occasional fires, your animals are killed.

:<s>I'm neutral</s>. AH ''was'' charismatic (he swayed the German establishment, then a nation into institutional crime and atrocity of almost perplexing scale, never mind at least two women committed suicide as a result of their relationships with him). I think some readers mistakenly interpret ''charismatic'' as a positive attribute or sympathetic commentary. AH as much as anyone suggests that charisma, like so many other human qualities, is in itself but a characteristic... what one does with one's talents is ultimately much more important. [[User:Wyss|Wyss]] 13:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

: Gentlemen, you know what your problems are: I do not need to elaborate. I am not here to enumerate your problems, I am here to introduce you to a method of solving them. In my bag here, I have a fool proof method for controlling your Black slaves. I guarantee everyone of you that if installed correctly it will control the slaves for at least 300 hundred years. My method is simple. Any member of your family or your overseer can use it.

::After pondering this a bit I think it's helpful, historically supported and instructive to use the term ''charismatic'' in the context of that sentence. [[User:Wyss|Wyss]] 15:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

: I have outlined a number of differences among the slaves: and I take these differences and make them bigger. I use fear, distrust, and envy for control purposes. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies and it will work throughout the South. Take this simple little list of differences, and think about them.

:Totally agree. Charismatic seems appropriate here. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 13:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

: On top of my list is "Age", but it is there only because it starts with an "A": the second is "Color" or shade, there is intelligence, size, sex, size of plantations, status on plantation, attitude of owners, whether the slave live in the valley, on hill, East, West, North, South, have fine hair, coarse hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences. I shall give you an outline of action-but before that I shall assure you that distrust is stronger than trust and envy is stronger than adulation, respect, or admiration.

:'''STRONG KEEP'''. I'm not sure why you keep reverting this '''simple edit''' -- it is not POV in ANY way, but the plain and glaringly obvious truth. This man used his [[personal magnetism]] and [[charismatic authority]] to lead a nation (and Europe) to its doom. Other Nazi leaders used propaganda to transform this Austrian racist in to a mythical, godlike figure -- and from personally reading dozens of personal accounts over the years, he really was by all means intensely [[charisma]]tic, and this was the basis of his authority (hence the reverts to [[charismatic leadership]]). Just ask any historian, sociologist, etc. -- WWII Nazis all called Hitler "The Saviour of Germany," like some modern-day Christ figure; or watch [[Triumph des Willens]] for yourself and find out; it isn't hard to spot there...everyday people '''need to be made fully aware''' that people like this exist and can naturally use their charisma to '''positively or negatively''' manipulate and sway the masses of "sheep." And the above User:Wyss is correct; charisma isn't '''ALWAYS''' a positive character trait like you seem to think User:JIP...some who have it (Hitler) used it to exploit others, make tons of money, wield negative power, dominate/oppress, etc., while others used it for positive social change and other worthy causes (Gandhi). Go and read the base article on [[Charisma]] and then let us know what you think here. --[[User:152.163.100.5|152.163.100.5]] 13:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

: The Black slave after receiving this indoctrination shall carry on and will become self re-fueling and self generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands. Don't forget you must pitch the old Black male vs. the young Black male, and the young Black male against the old Black male. You must use the dark skin slaves vs. the light skin slaves and the light skin slaves vs. the dark skin slaves. You must use the female vs. the male, and the male vs. the female. You must also have your white servants and overseers distrust all Blacks, but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us. They must love, respect and trust only us.

:'''Keep'''...there's nothing POV about that pithy statement; he was a charismatic maniac! He chose to use a profound gift in a terrible, terrible way...shame on him. [[User:Berlin Stark|Berlin Stark]] 20:48, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

: Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control. Use them. Have your wives and children use them, never miss an opportunity. If used intensely for one year, the slaves themselves will remain perpetually distrustful. Thank you, gentlemen.{{ref|References}}

:According to Alan Bullock in his biography of both Stalin and Hitler, Stalin missed the charisma of Hitler, (page 404 if I remember it well). [[User:Andries|Andries]] 21:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== William Lynch ==

:'''Delete'''...it is true that AH had charisma and his leadership can be described as charismatic, but in the context of this sentence I think it's out of the way and superfluous. We can still include it at another place. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 21:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

According to an essay appearing in "Brother Man: The Odyssey of Black Men in America- An Anthology", Lynch was a British slave owner in the West Indies who came to the United States to tell American slave owners how to keep their slaves under control. The term "lynching" is derived from Lynch's name. {{ref|reference}}

:'''Delete'''. Put it somewhere else and explain that it is a theory. --[[User:Ezeu|Ezeu]] 23:03, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

::Why would it be unsuperfluous somewhere else? Why is it a theory? [[User:Wyss|Wyss]] 02:04, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

==Legacy==

:'''KEEP'''. The FACT that Hitler's leadership was very charismatic is VITALLY IMPORTANT to his ability to take over Germany, defy the Versailles Treaty and get away with it, and push anti-Semitism onto a people to such a degree that it is legally enforced, taught in schools, and millions of murders are commited for it. Mein Kampf is horribly written. It is dry, boring, asinine, and unreadable, but it says the SAME THING as his speeches. The difference was his charisma, which doesn't, of course, come out in print. It is in no way synonymous with "he was a good leader" or "what he did was right." If you still have problems with assigning any connotatively positive attitudes with H17LER DA KILL3R OF DA JOOz OMG then watch a video of one of his speeches on the internet. It doesn't matter what he says: the style is grand, he says what the people want to hear, and everyone cheers their head off. Hitler's subjects found him very charismatic. It is a FACT and not in any way anyone's point of view in any manner. 'Charismatic leadership' was the best way of saying it, makes the most sense, and is accurate, factual, and 100% related to Hitler as a dictator and to this article. Definitely keep the charisma in. I can agree that it might not be the best spot for it. But for the love of god the article is like 20 pages. The person who added it was too lazy to read the whole thing and I understand the sentiment. If you don't want the charisma there, read through the article and find a better spot if you want, or close your eyes and pick a place at random if you prefer, but it's definitely necessary somewhere. --[[User:68.148.168.84|68.148.168.84]] 03:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:Slavetreatment.jpe|thumb|The issue and cruelty of slavery is considered one of the legacies of the speech]]

Referring to his [[charismatic authority]] should stay at the beginning of the article because it was so incredibly vital to his leadership and personality; that's where the most important stuff goes. [[User:205.188.116.5|205.188.116.5]] 10:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Believers in the authenticity of the William Lynch Speech see in it a critique of what they call "mental slavery" -- defined as a psychological state of submissiveness rather than a physical bondage.

:'''KEEP:''' there is film footage of Hitler speaking from a podium at a rally, which shows a crowd of screaming teenage girls bursting through a cordon to acclaim him - it predates the Beatles hype by 25 years. "Charismatic" is a keep, but should go along with "media manipulation" and "grow up!". I am grumpy, but not old.--[[User:Shtove|shtove]] 23:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Lynch's alleged method used to cause hatred between the slaves was a deep division in regards to the skin tones of the slaves. "Light-skinned" blacks are believed to have fared better under the conditions of [[slavery]] given this doctrine; being allowed tasks requiring authority over other slaves, and were generally assinged to task within the house of the slave master himself. Conversely, the "dark-skinned" slaves were confined to the fields, performed back-breaking labor, and generally did not enjoy the priveleges of the lighter-skinned slaves. This, it is contended, would have caused discontent among the slaves, thus executing Lynch's "[[divide and conquer]]" method of control. Thus, many present day divisions within the [[African American]] community could be traced from this idea. {{ref|References}}

::*And you are sure it isnt a Leni Riefenstahl Films Inc. production? --[[User:Ezeu|Ezeu]] 23:20, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I dunno. The footage is staged but compelling, and Leni (or whoever) gives a masterclass in how to sell a politician to a shrugging electorate. We could all do with much much more of the same, couldn't we? BTW: This article has the longest list of foreign language counterparts that I've seen on W'pedia. Why are we all so interested?--[[User:Shtove|shtove]] 01:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Why are we all so interested? Because Hitler masterminded and inspired the most destructive war and despicable genocide in the whole of human history, and ALL humans are fascinated (drawn towards yet also repulsed) by the ultra-dark side of humanity; this much is a fact. War (especially on the scale of WWII) is about as dark as you can get. Plus, it was relatively recently that the [[Holocaust]] and [[WWII]] happened, so the memories are still quite fresh in the wounded [[collective unconscious]] of the West, not to mention that many WWII-vets are still alive along with CC-camp survivors, ex-Nazis, etc. I don't care how "cultured" or "refined" you are or claim to be...Hitler's power and darkness will really make you think and his destructive "[[charisma]]" still holds sway today around the globe. WWII shaped the modern World as we know it today more than anything else that I can think of. Just imagine the scars that the Germans still hold, the guilt and shame. I’ve always believed that if a person wants to try and understand the 20th Century in the West he/she better try and understand German culture and Germany’s history. Thus, Hitler and his twisted legacy unfortunately lives on and will for a VERY long time to come. --[[User:Berlin Stark|Berlin Stark]] 07:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Many, however, view two imperative problems with this argument, one is that the concept of "light-skinned blacks" originates long after the alleged date of this speech (at the time, terms indicating racial mixture such as "mulatto" would have been used); the other is that it bears no resemblance to the known concerns of planters of the time. The division between "house" and "field" slaves is historically inaccurate, as slaves employed in the plantation household were a subset of non-predial slaves (others included craftsmen such as carpenters and masons) and were under closer white supervision than were the field slaves. It is worth noting that the only successful slave revolt in history, the [[Haitian Revolution]], was led by a non-predial slave, [[Toussaint L'Ouverture]].

:::I have never claimed to be cultured or refined. Why aren't we as interested in Stalin, who (by body count/ideology) was more deadly/influential than Hitler? And I think European inventions of the last 200 years have had more influence on modern life than any war.--[[User:Shtove|shtove]] 12:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::In the long run Stalin was more deadly than Hitler.... But only in the long run... If you know what was the cost in human lives of the WWII (The Great Patriotic War) for the USSR, what was the destiny of the Slavs in Hitler's mind and how great was their courage during the war. There are some reasons to think that they found Stalin's dictatorship very mild in comparison... More serioulsly "Uncle Adolf" wasn't only the worse criminals of all times... He was was also self-destructive and worse of of all he wished to bring all Germany in his self-destructive project...

Some people contend that since blacks were said to be under bondage for 300 years, the year [[2012]] will be of great significance for black people.

:::::You wrote << "If you know what was the cost in human lives of the WWII (The Great Patriotic War) for the USSR,..." >> Oh I know the cost as I have studied Operation Barbarossa with some intensity for quite a while. Estimates range as high as 30 million! That's no joke! But of course the flu-pandemic of 1918-19 killed around 50 million, which is the same amount that was said to die in all of WWII; it's all really hard to follow with all of these "estimates" floating about. [[User:152.15.100.163|152.15.100.163]] 22:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[[Louis Farrakhan]], in his open letter regarding the [[Millions More Movement]], cites Willie Lynch's scheme as an obstacle to unity among [[African American]]s.{{ref|References}}

:::::What else ? It scares me to the bones. Beuark... [[User:Ericd|Ericd]] 21:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::::No doubting the courage of Russian resistance to Barbarossa, but why didn't the same people have the courage to see what Stalin was about? The people of western Ukraine know all about the long run, because at one point a large proportion found themselves dead at Stalin's command. If you say,"''comparatively mild''" then you must be mad. As for the interest in Hitler, I guess it is partly generated by the soap opera aspects of both his life and the rise of the National Socialist party. Ancient Greek drama and Christianity are far more instructive than history in fathoming human depravity.--[[User:Shtove|shtove]] 22:40, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I may be mad.... Soap opera ? Soap ? Well wash your face and look in the mirror. Experiencing a modern firearm shot is far more instructive than anything else in understanding human nature... [[User:Ericd|Ericd]] 23:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

==See also==

::::It may depend on which end of the gun you're looking at, but gunpowder explodes and that's it - no mystery. Apologies for the "''mad''" query. The "''soap opera''" description relates to aspects such as the Geli Raubel relationship, the bad art, vegeterianism, drug taking, the jolly sympathy with children, the fatal attraction over women, the marriage to Eva Braun, etc -the kind that inflame vulgar fantasies. The question stands: why the blanket interest in Hitler, when Stalin merits as much, if not more? Isn't it a pretence to insist that the Hitler obsession has anything to do with moral reflection and lesson-learning?--[[User:Shtove|shtove]] 00:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

*[[African-Americans]]

*[[Divide and conquer]]

*[[History of slavery in the United States]]

*[[Slavery]]

'''Delete''' I think there should be part of the article or even a whole section devoted to whether or not Hitler was charismatic, I just don't think it should be added here, it seems inappropriate and although I don't think people here have malicious motives I do think it is possible to be construed as POV. [[User:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg|Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg]] [[User_talk:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg|(talk)]] 22:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

==References==

# The Freeman Institute, [http://www.freemaninstitute.com/lynch.htm Wille Lynch Speech], June 25, 2005. Accessed October 19, 2005

#Ibid.

# {{Web reference_author | Author=Farrakhan, Louis | Title=An appeal ... | Work=The Official Site for the Millions More Movement | URL=http://www.millionsmoremovement.com/news/open_letter.htm | Date=October 12 | Year=2005}}

'''Delete''' agree in everything with Moshe. [[User:Andries|Andries]] 22:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

==External Links==

== Christianity Not Allowed? ==

*[http://www.freemaninstitute.com/lynch.htm More on William Lynch]

*[http://www.umsl.edu/services/library/blackstudies/narrate.htm The first traceable publisher]

I posted some things realted to Christianity, and they got deleted. I clearly said that anyone may ignore my posts, and that they were for Christians... am I doing something wrong, or is the author against Christianity? [[User:JavaJake|Jake]] 15:01, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[[Category:Speeches]]

[[Category:Political forgery]]

:Thanks for wanting to contribute, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a place to publish your own thoughts and oppinions. Please read [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]]. [[User:Shanes|Shanes]] 17:00, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::The author'''S''' are neutral about about Christianity. Well, maybe they're not neutral... IMO most of them are human beings but I know that some of them are computer programs that we call bots. Considering the open nature of Wikipedia, we should not exclude the hypothesis of some extra terrestrial contributions or even some divine contributions to Wikipedia... However Wikipedia is a community that will evaluate the contributions to articles according to some generaly accepted rules... One of this rules is that we should try to reach a Neutral Point of View (NPOV). IMO this is simply out of reach of human beings but this is a path we should try to follow, not an aim we will reach... This doesn't contradict my own understanding of the Bible, but I may be wrong... [[User:Ericd|Ericd]] 20:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Que pasa? Seems to me that the discussion of religion just has very little place with regard to this article. &mdash;[[User:N328KF|Joseph/N328KF]] [[User talk:N328KF|(Talk)]] 20:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::::I intended this to be a tongue-in-cheek comment.... [[User:Ericd|Ericd]] 20:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry. I see your point now. How should I post my thoughts on what could've made Hitler a better person? [[User:JavaJake|Jake]] 15:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

::You cannot post your personal point of view. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), and your own thoughts or opinions are probably not neutral. NPOV is the objective &mdash; its probably impossible to fully achieve &mdash; but at least try not to be obviously biased. And one way to seem obviously biased is to preach. [[Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view|Read here]] to find out more.--[[User:Ezeu|Ezeu]] 16:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

::Hi, Jake, I'm afraid there's nowhere on Wikipedia where you can post your thoughts on what could have made Hitler a better person. To do so in an article would violate the [[WP:NOR|no original research]] policy, which I recommend that you read. To do so on the talk pages would clog up Wikipedia server space with things that don't belong on it. We're supposed to limit our discussion here to things related to whether or not a particular piece of information &ndash; not the personal opinion of one of the editors &ndash; is relevant, or whether the wording is appropriate. Editors opinions on whether Hitler was a good man or a bad man, or how he could have been made better don't belong here. You can either get your own website or blog away from Wikipedia (and some of them are free), or find a published author who had ideas on how Hitler could have been made better. (E.g. ''Professor X. Y., in his article "Hidden Causes: How Hitler's Early Childhood led to World War II", argues that if Hitler's father had . . .'') In fact, I recall that [[Alice Miller]], in ''For Your Own Good: Hidden Cruelty in Child-Rearing and the Roots of Violence'', did claim that the frequent beatings Hitler received from his father turned him into someone with a need for revenge on the world. So I imagine that's the only way you could have that issue covered, but even in that case, I think you'd have to have consensus from the others &ndash; how relevant is it and are there other writers who disagree? Not everything related to Hitler belongs in the article about Hitler. Regards. [[User:Ann Heneghan|Ann Heneghan]] [[User talk:Ann Heneghan |^(talk)]] 16:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

:::True. You are right. Thanks for helping me in my adventures to learn (which never seems to end). [[User:JavaJake|Jake]] 17:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

::::More on this, the article is already too long but a sub-article on AH's childhood with some reliable secondary cites would be helpful, interest in this article is very high. [[User:Wyss|Wyss]] 11:52, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, I've been reading this book for school. I don't know if I could write some of that stuff in. I know about the copyright stuff, but maybe I could put things in my own words? [[User:JavaJake|Jake]] 16:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Either way you want to add stuff (direct quote or paraphrase) is fine, as long as it's appropriately referenced, just like you'd reference a book in a paper at school.--'''[[{{ns:2}}:Clawson|chris.]][[User talk:Clawson|lawson]]''' 17:06, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

== Vandalism template ==

How about we remove it, it's kind of unsightly? Keep the block, though.

[[User:Ksenon|Ksenon]] 16:50, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

:Actually, I don't mind it, or think it's unsightly, but that's just my opinion. If you want to do that, there really isn't any harm. [[User:JavaJake|Jake]] 17:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

== Hitler is certainly not a "cult figure" ==

The entry "cult figure" in the "categories" section of this Wikipedia article does directly correspondent, in some meaningful respect, to the photograph of Hitler (Do you know who took this picture ? -- Do you know for what purpose it was taken ?) that is currently illustrating the introduction to the "Hitler" article. Both, the entry "cult figure" as well as the photograph (there are other and neutral pictures of Hitler available within the Wiki space), are not appropriate for a serious article in the Wikipedia. Hence, I will delete both of them as soon as the article is editable again. Hans Rosenthal (ROHA) (hans.rosenthal AT t-online.de -- replace AT by @ ) (14112005)

:I do not understand your argument. To me, a photograph of Hitler is appropriate on an article about Hitler, just as a photo of a [[Cheez-It]] is appropriate on an article about Cheez-Its. Can you perhaps rephrase or explain in more detail why you want to remove the image? For example, why is it relevant who took the photo or why? (Both being things that may be very difficult to find out!) <span class="user-sig user-horsepunchkid">&mdash;[[User:HorsePunchKid|<span style="font-family:monospace;font-variant:small-caps;cursor:crosshair;">HorsePunchKid</span>]]&rarr;[[User talk:HorsePunchKid|<span style="color:#070;cursor:help;" title="Kame-san says: Talk to me!">&#x9F9C;</span>]]</span> 23:39, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

:For what it's worth, if you wish to track the history of the photograph, [http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-E-Supreme/ this site] will be the first step (scroll to the very bottom of the page). I suspect it will be practically impossible to track down the original photographer, and it looks like a simple publicity photo. <span class="user-sig user-horsepunchkid">&mdash;[[User:HorsePunchKid|<span style="font-family:monospace;font-variant:small-caps;cursor:crosshair;">HorsePunchKid</span>]]&rarr;[[User talk:HorsePunchKid|<span style="color:#070;cursor:help;" title="Kame-san says: Talk to me!">&#x9F9C;</span>]]</span> 23:46, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

==Potsdam Picture==

I have changed this before, but since it got reverted and the page is protected, I'll explain this here:

There's a picture with the caption "Hindenburg appoints Hitler as Chancellor". This is incorrect. I don't think there are pictures of his appointment. And if there are, it would not be in the open air. This picture is from the Day of Potsdam, the opening ceremony of the 1933 Reichstag. It is the famous handshake between Hindenburg und Hitler, symbolizing the reconciliation between old Prussian values and new Nazi movement.

Oops, I just found out I was mistaken. I corrected this over at 2Hindenburg" and not here. Anyway, it needs to be corrected. Over there the caption now reads: "Hindenburg greats Chancellor Hitler at Reichstag opening ceremony". [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 00:14, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

:I have unprotected it. Go ahead and edit. [[User:Shanes|Shanes]] 00:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)