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[[Image:field hockey 1 550px.jpg|thumb|right|275px|A game of field hockey in progress]]
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'''Field hockey''' is a popular sport for [[men]] and [[women]] in many countries around the world. In most countries, especially those in which [[ice hockey]] is not very prominent, it is simply known as '''hockey'''.
Field hockey has several regular, prestigious international tournaments for both men and women such as the [[Summer Olympics|Olympic Games]], the quadrennial [[World Hockey Cup]]s, the annual [[Champions Trophy (field hockey)|Champions Trophies]], and World Cups for juniors.
== Categories ==
Can we discuss the "categories" problem you mentioned on my talk page before you make lots of changes and undo a great deal of work on my part? It's too late at night to get this sorted out right now, and I am aware of the problem you mentioned, but there are some other issues involved. [[User:Patrick0Moran|P0M]] 06:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
[[India]]n and [[Pakistan]]i national teams have traditionally dominated men's hockey, but have become less prominent recently, with [[The Netherlands]], [[Germany]] and [[Australia]] gaining importance in the late 1980s. Other strong hockey playing nations include [[Spain]], [[Argentina]] and [[South Korea]]. The Netherlands was the predominant international women's team before hockey was added to Olympic events. In the early 1990s Australia emerged as the strongest women's country, though retirement of a number of key players has weakened the team. Other important women teams are [[China]], [[Korea]], [[Argentina]] and Germany.
:Sure, what do you want to ask? [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 17:16:20, 2005-08-03 (UTC)
Many countries have extensive club competitions for both junior and senior players. Despite the large numbers of participants, club hockey is not a particularly large spectator sport and few players can afford to play professionally. In the [[United States]], for instance, field hockey is widely regarded as a women's sport, but there are men's leagues as well, mostly on a collegiate level.
== Taxoboxes ==
Many thanks for the advice on authorities - I will do this in future. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] 09:40, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
In those countries where winter conditions prevent play on outdoor fields, field hockey is played indoors during the off-season. This indoor variant, known as [[indoor field hockey]] differs from its outdoor parent in a number of respects. For example, the players may not raise the ball outside the shooting circle, nor hit it.
== Authority-bot ==
==History==
Hi Gdr,
Hockey is the oldest known stick-and-ball game (apart perhaps from Irish [[hurling]], which dates back to pre-historic times). Historical records show that games resembling modern field hockey were played in various ancient civilizations, although it is not possible to know exactly when and where the game began. There are 4,000 year old drawings in Egypt of the game being played. While ''modern hockey'' appeared in the mid-18th century in [[England]], primarily in schools, it was not until the first half of the 19th century that hockey became firmly established, the first club being created in [[1849]] at [[Blackheath, London|Blackheath]] in south-east [[London]].
In the early [[1970s]], [[artificial turf]] fields began to be used in competition. The introduction of synthetic pitches instead of grass ones has completely changed most aspects of hockey. The game, as well as the material used to play, has taken a definitive turn, gaining mainly in speed. In order to take into account the specificities of this surface, new tactics and new techniques have been developed, often followed by the establishment of new rules to take account of these techniques.
I am trying to add authorities for all animals and plants on the Dutch Wikipedia. It would be great if I can use your script for Nomialbot to do this. Is that possible? I have bot flag at nl: ([[nl:Gebruiker:UcuchaBot]]). Thanks in advance, [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 15:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
{{see|Field hockey history}}
:Hmmm... it is not yet in a form for public use, and at the moment it can only handle animals. I am working on making it support plants, fungi and bacteria (virus nomenclature is somewhat harder work). When I've done that, I'll make a release for you. But I think it will still need some work on your part to make it work on the Dutch Wikipedia. How good are you at Python and writing wikipedia bots? [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 16:02:59, 2005-08-04 (UTC)
==The field of play==
::Thanks. I am only working on animals now, too, so it would already be great to have the animal bot. Do you need a long time to write the other kingdoms, you think?
[[Image:hockey_field_large.png|thumb|250px|right|Diagram of a hockey field]]
::I can't write it, but I can see some things in the file - if your bot makes links to "Scientific classification", I'll be able to change it into "Wetenschappelijke classificatie". I guess the main difference between nl: and en: (in this case) is that we don't use <nowiki>{{Taxobox section binomial}} at all, but always {{Taxobox section binomial parens}}. I guess you have somewhere in the code to change {{Taxobox section binomial simple}} into {{Taxobox section binomial}} or {{Taxobox section binomial parens}}</nowiki>. I think I'll be able to change that kind of things. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 16:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Most hockey field dimensions were originally fixed using whole numbers of imperial measures and are expressed as such in this article. It is, nevertheless, the metric measurements shown in parenthesis which are the current official dimensions of the field of play as laid down by the [[International Hockey Federation]] (FIH) in the "Rules of Hockey 2005".
==Taxoboxes==
Thanks so much for the tip, I'll try to remember it! [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|Pete]] 14:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
:And thanks from me as well! I'll keep it in mind. [[User:Eugene van der Pijll|Eugene van der Pijll]] 19:30, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Also - thanks from myself! As a matter of interest where did you find that 'Brot.' was the authority for [[Sheep's Fescue]]? Thanks again --[[User:AjAldous|AjAldous]] 15:20, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
The game is played between two teams of eleven players on a 100 × 60 yard (91.4 m × 55 m) rectangular field. At each end there is a goal 7 feet (2.14 m) high and 12 feet (3.66 m) wide, and a semi-circle 16 yards (14.63 m) from the goal known as the "arc", or "shooting circle", with a dotted line 5 yards (5 m) from the semi-circle, as well as lines across the field 25 yards (22.9 m) from each end-line and in the center of the field. A spot, called the penalty spot, is placed 7 yards (6.4 m) from the center of each goal.
:I used IPNI [http://www.ipni.org/ipni/plantsearch?find_wholeName=Festuca+ovina&query_type=by_query]. But I see that it ought to be Linnaeus since ''Species Plantarum'' (1753) precedes Felix Brotero's ''Flora Lusitanica'' (1804). I will fix. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 15:27:12, 2005-08-10 (UTC)
Further thanks from myself re: your tip on taxoboxes (and finding the authority for [[Beech Marten]]). [[User:Valiantis|Valiantis]] 20:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
==Equipment==
== Thanks so much! ==
Each player carries a "stick", normally a little over 3 feet (90 centimetres) long and traditionally made of wood but now often made with [[fibreglass]], [[kevlar]] and [[carbon fibre]] [[composite material|composites]], with a rounded handle flattening out on one side and with a hook at the bottom. The flat side of the hook is used to push, dribble, or hit a hard plastic ball. Each field player normally wears a mouth guard and shin guards. A goalkeeper must wear complete protective gear: normally a helmet, neck guard, chest protector, gloves, super-padded shin guards (known as pads), and kickers which cover their feet and allow them to kick the ball. [[Image:Keep.jpg|thumb|right|A Goalkeeper in full outfit.]]
Thank you for the work and help on the [[Calabar Python]] article! As I am only an amatuer herpetologist, I found the taxonomy of that snake particularly difficult to grasp. I did own one for a couple years (had to sell when I moved) but it was a very nice snake to own. Of course it stayed burrowed in the sub-strate for 95% of the time. In fact the one I had ended up growing to a little over a metre in length. Perhaps you'd take a quick look at the article I wrote on the [[Woma Python]] as well. If I can ever be of any assistance to you on herp related articles, please let me know. Thanks again, kind stranger!
[[User:Hamster Sandwich|Hamster Sandwich]] 14:13, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
*Hello again kind stranger! Thanks for the redirect to ''Boidae''. I was following a redlink from another article that led me to create that article "Tropidophiidae". Unfortunately I lost track of that original article. If I find it again I'll add the link to the[[ Dwarf boa]] page. I might expand that article as well. See Ya! [[User:Hamster Sandwich|Hamster Sandwich]] 00:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
**Once again I offer my thanks for your help in cleaning up an article I wrote! You're not hiding out somewhere in my desk are you? As you can tell, I copied the taxobox from the Calabar Python article. I ask, do you think the title should be "Queen snake" as is, or "Queen Snake"? Thanks again [[User:Hamster Sandwich|Hamster Sandwich]] 22:14, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
==Rules and play ==
== [[May 31]] vs. [[31 May]] ==
Players are only permitted to play the ball with the flat side or edges of the stick. The flat side is always on the "natural" side for a right-handed person — there are no "left-handed" hockey sticks. If the ball is raised off the ground in a manner that is in the umpires opinion dangerous the ball is turned over to the other team and they receive a free hit from the point of contact. The definition of a "dangerous ball" is a matter of interpretation by the umpires, but it depends on the speed of the ball, the height at which it is raised, and the number of players near its path. Balls travelling at head height near players are almost always regarded as dangerous, whereas a flick at knee height landing into space would very rarely be so. When shooting at goal any height is permitted as it is a shot on goal; as long as it is not dangerous to a player within 3 yards (about 3 metres) of the striker.
I'm sorry, I don't see the difference, so you should link to the page that it actually exists on (which is May 31, not 31 May). Was this discussed elsewhere? I'm sorry, but I reverted your edit on [[Battle of Jutland]] because I was doing some major wikilink fixing, and I guess the date tags were collateral damage. I understand that Wikipedia can automatically format dates, so which is preferred? — <span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:sans-serif;">[[User:Ambush Commander|Ambush Commander]]</span><sup style="font-family:serif;">([[User talk:Ambush Commander|Talk]])</sup> 20:48, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
:Hi, I noticed you reverted my second edit. Unfortunantely, you took a lot of good edits (besides the date stuff I think you're objecting to, correct me if I'm wrong) along with it. I'm going to restore the non date related edits, and then I'd like to know what's wrong with changing over the dates. — <span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:sans-serif;">[[User:Ambush Commander|Ambush Commander]]</span><sup style="font-family:serif;">([[User talk:Ambush Commander|Talk]])</sup> 20:53, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks for restoring my edits! I should have checked the history before I started to remove the date changes. I've read [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)]], and I'm going to make my case for favoring May 31 over 31 May on [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)|that talk page]]. Cheers. — <span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:sans-serif;">[[User:Ambush Commander|Ambush Commander]]</span><sup style="font-family:serif;">([[User talk:Ambush Commander|Talk]])</sup> 21:05, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
One player from each team is designated the "[[goalkeeper]]". Goalkeepers usually wear extensive protective equipment including helmets, chest guards, body armour, heavily padded gloves, leg guards, and foot guards (called "Kickers"). The Goalkeeper is permitted to deflect or stop the ball with any part of his or her body or stick (-just with the flat side) whilst within their defensive circle (the arc). They are also allowed to propel the ball away using their kickers or their leg guards whilst within their defensive circle (the arc). They also carry a stick which can be used in the same way as any other player, but is primarily used for diving saves.
== Nomialbot ==
If a defence field player commits one of the many fouls (kicking the ball, obstruction, lifting in a dangerous area, back side of the stick, etc) inside their defensive shooting circle, or commits a deliberate or particularly serious foul outside the circle but within their defensive quarter of the field, then a complicated and indirect penalty shot is taken, called a "penalty corner". A deliberate breach by defenders within the circle, or a rule breach that directly prevents a goal being scored, results in the award of a "penalty stroke", approximately equivalent to a [[penalty kick (football)|penalty kick]] in [[football (soccer)]].
Your "nomialbot" seems to be responsible for some edits that are style rather than content-related. Specifically, making images 250px wide is cleary a matter of style, and is often inappropriate. Such a wide box on a browser that in many cases might be only 600-800 pixels wide (including controls and winow dressing) is a massive use of screen real estate for little or no reason. What's more some pages (e.g. [[morel]]) have images which do not scale up well, and so a resolution is chosen based on the original image's size.
The match is officiated by two [[umpire (field hockey)|umpires]]. Traditionally each umpire generally controls half of the field, divided roughly diagonally, although now experiments are being made where either umpire can make any decision anywhere on the field.
Please take these factors into account before using a bot to make style changes to so many pages in the futre. Thanks -[[User:Harmil|Harmil]] 17:39, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The teams' object is to play the ball into their "shooting circle" and, from there, hit, push or flick the ball into the goal. The team with more goals after two 35-minute halves wins the game.
:Thanks for the tip. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 17:45:54, 2005-08-12 (UTC)
==Tactics==
== [[Sciurognathi]] ==
About [[Sciurognathi]], you asked "Can you comment?" Not intelligently, no. All my information comes from [[Rodent]], so if it's wrong then so am I. (Taxonomies are difficult to nail down.) – [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:Image sleuthing|sleuth]])</sup> 18:25, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
The main methods by which the ball is moved around the field by players are: the "dribble", where the player controls the ball with the stick and runs with the ball, pushing the ball along as they run; The "push", where the player uses their wrists to push at the ball; the "flick" or "scoop", similar to the push but with an additional wrist action to force the stick through at an angle and lift the ball off the ground; and the "hit", where a backlift is taken and contact with the ball is made quite forcefully. In order to produce a much stronger hit, usually for travel over long distances, the stick is raised higher and swung at the ball, known as a "drive".
:I see, so you're following the MSW taxonomy. That's fine. I'll make a redirect from [[Sciuromorpha]]. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 18:37:17, 2005-08-12 (UTC)
Tackles are made by placing the stick into the path of the ball. To increase the effectiveness of the tackle, players will often place the entire stick close to the ground horizontally, thus representing a wider barrier. To avoid the tackle, the ball carrier will either pass the ball to a teammate using any of the push, flick, or hit, or attempt to maneuver or "pull" the ball around the tackle, trying to deceive the tackler.
When passing and maneuvering between players, certain commands are used to ensure understanding of movements and plays among teammates. Although these vary depending on which country the game is in, there are a few standard calls. By calling "through" or "straight" the ball is passed straight ahead to another player. "Flat" or "square" signifies a pass made to the right or left of the player with the ball at a 90 degree angle. Passes made backward are ocassionally signified by a call of "drop". A hit made forward at an angle is recognized as "up".
At the highest level, hockey is a fast-moving, highly skilled sport, with players using fast moves with the stick, quick accurate passing, and hard hits, in attempts to keep possession and move the ball towards the goal. While physically tackling and otherwise obstructing players is not permitted, collisions are common, and the speed at which the ball travels along the ground (and sometimes through the air, which is legal if it is not judged dangerous by the umpire) requires the use of padded shin guards to prevent injury. Some of the tactics used resemble football (soccer), but with greater speed - the best players maneuver and score almost quicker than the eye can see.
== writing history on wikipedia ==
==Major Tournaments==
Hello,
The biggest two field hockey tournaments are undoubtedly the [[Hockey at the Summer Olympics|Olympic Games]] tournament, and the [[World Hockey Cup|Hockey World Cup]], which is also held every 4 years. Apart from this, there is the [[Champions Trophy (field hockey)|Champions Trophy]] Cup held each year for the six top-ranked teams. Amongst the men, India has won 8 Olympic golds and Pakistan have lifted the World Cup 4 times. Amongst the women, Australia has 3 Olympic golds while Netherlands has clinched the World Cup 5 times.
I’m an historian working at the Center for History and New Media at George Mason University (http://chnm.gmu.edu/) and we are very interested in digital, peer-produced works of history, including history articles in Wikipedia. We’d like to talk to people about their experiences working on articles in Wikipedia, in connection with a larger project on the history of the free and open source software movement. Would you be willing to talk with us about your involvement, either by phone, a/v chat, IM, or email? This could be as lengthy or brief a conversation as you wish.
==External links==
Thanks for your consideration.
*[http://www.fihockey.org The FIH]
Olivia
*[http://www.fihockey.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,1181-162501-179716-83571-0-file,00.pdf FIH Rules of Hockey 2005] (pdf file)
*[http://www.fieldhockey.com/ Field hockey resource on the web; rules, news etc]
*[http://www.community-online.com/directory.cfm?TopicID=651 Community-online.com - Field Hockey]
{{Team_Sport}}
oryan at gmu dot edu
[[category:team sports]]
[[Category:Olympic sports]]
[[Category:Hockey]]
[[Category:Field hockey|*]]
[[Category:Ball games]]
[[bn:হকি]]
[[ca:Hoquei sobre herba]]
==authority.py bot==
[[de:Feldhockey]]
Thank you very much for the sharing of the file!
[[et:Maahoki]]
[[eo:Hokeo]]
I've tried to run it, but I got an error before even using it :-(. The things I changed were deleting the <nowiki><pre> and <nowiki></nowiki> tags and changing 'en' into 'nl' in "site = wikipedia.Site('nl')".
[[fr:Hockey sur gazon]]
[[ko:필드하키]]
A few other things should also be changed, I think, but I think that should produce an error different from this:
[[hi:फील्ड हाकी]]
[[it:Hockey su prato]]
<code>
[[nl:Hockey]]
Microsoft Windows XP [versie 5.1.2600]
[[ja:ホッケー]]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
[[pt:Hóquei em campo]]
[[ru:Хоккей]]
C:\Documents and Settings\toshiba>cd C:\bot\pywikipedia
[[sr:Хокеј на трави]]
[[fi:Maahockey]]
C:\bot\pywikipedia>authority.py
[[sv:Landhockey]]
File "C:\bot\pywikipedia\authority.py", line 1
[[zh:曲棍球]]
Python 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] on win
32
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
C:\bot\pywikipedia>
</code>
[[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 18:22, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know much about Windows, so I may be unable to help you. But it looks like something is wrong with line 1, the Unix [[shebang]]. I suggest you try deleting it. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 18:32:33, 2005-08-13 (UTC)
::It starts to work :-). Thanks. I think I still have to change some things, but I'll have a look. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 18:42, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
I am trying to run it by:
authority.py "Grote kruisbek" Borkhausen 1793
for I am trying to add the authority for the [[nl:Grote kruisbek]] (''Loxia pytyopsittacus'' Borkhausen 1793), but how should I type it in? I am not able to find it in the source, I fear... [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 19:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
:First argument is the taxon, second the authority. (I think the instructions at the top of the file are out of date, I will fix.) So you should try <tt>authority.py "Loxia pytyopsittacus" "Borkhausen, 1793"</tt>. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 19:38:43, 2005-08-13 (UTC)
It still doesn't work :-(. I get the following:
<pre><nowiki>
C:\bot\pywikipedia>authority.py "Loxia pytyopsittacus" "Borkhausen, 1793"
Checked for running processes. 1 processes currently running, including the curr
ent process.
Getting page [[Loxia_pytyopsittacus]]
DBG> Loxia_pytyopsittacus is redirect to Grote kruisbek
Getting page [[Grote_kruisbek]]
Trying http://www.ipni.org/ipni/authorsearch?find_abbreviation=Borkhausen&query_
type=by_query
Trying http://www.ipni.org/ipni/authorsearch?find_surname=Borkhausen&query_type=
by_query
Getting page [[Borkhausen]]
Expansion for Borkhausen? [aecq]
</nowiki></pre>
[[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 19:47, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
:Looks OK so far. The script has tried to find an expansion for Borkhausen, but has failed. So it's asking you what to do. The [aecq] prompt is a bit cryptic, but if you press return you'll get some help. The thing to do here is to enter "e", meaning "enter Expansion", and then enter Moritz Balthasar Borkhausen at the next prompt. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 19:51:47, 2005-08-13 (UTC)
:Note that on the English Wikipedia the script would know the expansion for Borkhausen because it's listed on [[List of zoologists by author abbreviation]]. You might want to take a copy of that page on the Dutch wikipedia and tell authority.py where to find it (see the <tt>wiki_abbrev_sources</tt>) variable, then use the <tt>--rebuild<tt> command-line option) or else tell authority.py to use the list on the English Wikipedia. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 20:00:43, 2005-08-13 (UTC)
::I've just made the [[:nl:Lijst van biologen naar afkorting]]. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 20:04, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
::[http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grote_kruisbek&diff=1798475&oldid=1697323]: the first is ready :-). I only have to learn him that he may not use <nowiki>{{Taxobox section binomial}}</nowiki>, but that won't be very difficult, I think. Thanks! [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 20:04, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
:See the function <tt>format_taxobox_authority</tt> on about line 510. Once you get it working and you're happy with it, send me a copy of your changed version so I can parameterize the original. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 20:09:26, 2005-08-13 (UTC)
::I'll do that. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 20:11, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
:I don't speak Dutch, but I think [[:nl:Lijst van biologen naar afkorting]] may not be quite the right title. You see, zoologists and botanists have different conventions for abbreviation — compare [[List of zoologists by author abbreviation]] and [[List of botanists by author abbreviation]]. For example, Linnaeus is "Linnaeus" in zoology but "L." in botany. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 20:09:26, 2005-08-13 (UTC)
::It means "List of biologists by abbreviation". You're right, probably, but I am first having a look on how it works. Hopefully I can sophisticate it when I have some more experience. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 20:11, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
:I can use the list now, even for authors like Vigors. I think I don't have to change the script any more, so I'll put it in on [[User:Gdr/authority.py/Dutch]] or so. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 20:27, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
== authors ==
My version is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGdr%2Fauthority.py%2FDutch&diff=20977758&oldid=20977737 here] now. It generally runs well as yet. There seems to be some kind of bug [http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aardvarken&diff=1800335&oldid=1739442 here]. This only occurs when the authority is looked up from Species 2000. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 07:38, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks for putting up your version. You introduced the bug yourself, I'm afraid! Look at the changes you made to <tt>format_taxobox_authority</tt>.
:There is a problem here. It looks to me as though all articles on the Dutch Wikipedia have parentheses around the authority. By doing that, you are losing a valuable distinction. Parentheses around an authority mean that the species has been moved to a different genus. Lack of parentheses means that the species is still in the genus in which it was originally placed.
:For example ''Pan troglodytes'' (Blumenbach, 1775) indicates that Blumenbach did not place the Common Chimpanzee in the genus ''Pan''. (He named it ''Simia troglodytes''.) But ''Homo sapiens'' Linnaeus, 1758 indicates that the genus is unchanged.
:See section 51 of the [[International Code of Zoological Nomenclature]] [http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp?article=51&nfv=true]. There are different naming rules in botany and microbiology, but parentheses have similar meaning.
:<tt>authority.py</tt> does its best to get this right. So let me encourage you to get it right on the Dutch Wikipedia. It will obviously be better to make the change sooner rather than later! [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 11:01:02, 2005-08-14 (UTC)
::I know. I even know they have a meaning. I understand the reason now, but I think we'll have to use something like <nowiki>{{Taxobox section binomial parens2}} or so in any case, since {{Taxobox section binomial}}</nowiki> is already used. I'm home for only two days now; I'll do more when I am back home. [[User:Ucucha|Ucucha]]|[[User talk:Ucucha|...]] 12:15, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
==Genus -> Species redirects==
Hi, the redirects:
* [[Pseudibis]] → [[White-shouldered Ibis]] and
* [[Geronticus]] → [[Northern Bald Ibis]]
showed up on [[WP:RfD]], with the complaint that a genus shouldn't redir to a species when the genus has more than one species in it (as these both apparently do). (I poked around on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life]] to see if I could confirm this, but couldn't, and it does seem reasonable - I'd think we want them to be red links to encourage someone to write them.) Anyway, I happened to note that your Gdrbot created them both, so I thought I'd drop you a warning in case it has done more of these. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 04:34, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
:There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of redirects like these. Gdrbot created these redirects because the genus was (wrongly) marked as monotypic in a taxobox. There's no need to RfD these redirects, just delete them when you spot them. That's what I do. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 10:24:52, 2005-08-15 (UTC)
== [[HMS Canopus]] ==
I honestly have no idea. I took the information from [[French ship Franklin (1797)]], which refers to her as a second-rate; the initial third-rate was a typo, I think... [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] 15:42, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
: Thanks for checking. There were a spate of other "French ship --" articles that day from the same user; you might want to glance over them and see if the same error's repeated. (I'd do it, but I'm not confident in being right...) [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] 11:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
== Improper genus redirects ==
I'll be occasionally dropping by here to signal these as I wade through bird articles to implement [[:category:Birds by classification|taxo-categorization]]. I figure it's the most appropriate place to point them out, since most of them will have been created by Nomialbot.
*[[Phoeniculus]]
*[[Cuculus]] (I don,t think this is nomialbot, but still inappropriate)
*<del>[[Pipile]]</del> mistake
*[[Callipepla]]
*[[Trochilus]]
[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 22:33, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
:I won't delete ''[[Pipile]]'' because the [[Common Piping Guan]] article treats the genus as being monotypic, with the other species being reduced to subspecies. Is this the standard taxonomy as far as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds]] is concerned? If not, please rewrite the [[Common Piping Guan]] accordingly. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 16:55:40, 2005-08-16 (UTC)
::Sorry about that, I only clicked one of four distinct species links from [[Cracidae]], all linking to [[Common Piping Guan]], thus the confusion. I have absolutely no idea what is the most recognized taxonomic status for these (all I do is taxo-categorizatioon and a few stubs for genera/families). In the meantime, I'll reduce to a single link in Cracidae. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 17:10, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Grallina]]
[[User:JohnCastle|JohnCastle]] 00:47, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
*[[Cormobates]]
[[User:JohnCastle|JohnCastle]] 00:30, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
== Nummulite ==
Thanks for fixing up [[Nummulite]]. [[User:Akadruid|akaDruid]] 14:04, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
== [[Lesser Emperor]] ==
Now that you ask, I have to admit that I don't know which genus it belongs to. Although I bet its ''Anax''. I got ''Aeshna'' from [[List of Dragonfly species recorded in Britain]]. ITIS doesn't have it in either genus, but both genera are incomplete on ITIS. Google gives 2 hits for "Aeshna parthenope", both from Wikipedia and 465 hits for "Anax parthenope", so I will go with ''Anax'' [[User:Dsmdgold|Dsmdgold]] 23:34, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
==Slave bracelet==
Thanks - you're right! [[User:Trollderella|Trollderella]] 19:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
== snakeroot ==
The other day i made [[Rose of Jericho]], and it was very quickly editted by you, so i assume you know your stuff when it comes to plants, which is why i am asking you this;
[http://www.lib.ksu.edu/wildflower/snakeroot.html This] webpage says about [[White Snakeroot]]; it is called "Ageratina altissima (L.) King & H.E. Robins [=Eupatorium rugosum Houtt.]". Does this mean it has 2 names; ''Ageratina altissima'' and ''Eupatorium rugosum''? Encarta and brittanica both call it the later, but we appear to call it the former on [[Snakeroot]].
thanks [[User:Bluemoose|Martin - The non-blue non-moose]] 14:50, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
== hominoid taxonomy images ==
Could you create a 7th image, either showing all four gibbon genera, or changing "Hylobates" to "4 genera", or some such? It'd be nice to "complete" the history of the hominoid changes since right below that section the classification shows all eight genera. Thanks! - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 11:47, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
:I'll do that. (However: the elevation of the four subgenera of ''Hylobates'' to genera was quite recent; within the last ten years, I think. So I'm confident that the diagrams are correct as shown, since the last diagram represents the state of the art c. 1990. Probably the text should talk about this in more detail, but I don't know quite when the elevation took place. Can you give me a reference?) [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 12:14:37, 2005-08-25 (UTC)
::I'm trying. Groves lists the four as subgenera in 1997. In 2001 he said they should be elevated but thinks a naming is incorrect. I'm looking for the publication where he says an elevation shouldn't be held up for the reasons he had previous stated, and elevates them. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 13:11, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
::Ah! Found it in the obvious spot... he elevates it in MSW3, to be published later this year. See the Wikispecies comments at [http://species.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylobatidae Hylobatidae] and [http://species.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunopithecus Bunopithecus]. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 13:36, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
== I gotta ask... ==
...if you're a bot, how come your capitalization differed in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarracenia&curid=871268&diff=21836329&oldid=21026855 two disambiguations] you made in ''[[Sarracenia]]''? Sorry, just struck me as curious :-) ~ [[User:Veledan|Veledan]] • [[User talk:Veledan|Talk]] <sup>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Veledan&action=edit§ion=new + new]</sup> 01:48, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
:NM, I found my answer on line 58x of the code!! ~ [[User:Veledan|Veledan]] • [[User talk:Veledan|Talk]] <sup>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Veledan&action=edit§ion=new + new]</sup> 02:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
== [[Carl Alexander Clerck]] ==
If you don't agree with the changes I supposed please feel free to revert to the former version. Best regards.--[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Araneophilus Araneophilus] that is here [[User:Anglo-Araneophilus|Anglo-Araneophilus]] 11:33, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
==Navyphotos==
Hi,
I hope i'm not bothering you, but I'd like your advice. I'm not sure if this has already been done, but I e-mailed the maintainer of Navyphotos to inform him of the situation regarding Jimbo Wales' decree about copyrighted images. I asked him what he could do: whether he could release the images into the public ___domain or under a GFDL licence.
Reharding the copyright status, he said - and I quote: "Although I have given my permission to use any of the photos, I make no claim whatsoever to being the owner of any copyright of the majority of them ( some are mine and many have now been sent to me ) especially those that I had found dumped. In all conscience I cannot give a "Legal" permission to use something which is not mine in the eyes of the law, however I hope that does not stop their continued use on the wickipedia site."
He would like to get in touch with [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] to explain the situation to him. So what can be done?
Again, hope i'm not bothering you. Keep up the great work!
[[User:SoLando|SoLando]] 19:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
:Have you read Mr Newton's explanation of how the photos came into his possession? (See [http://www.navyphotos.co.uk/reason_for_site.htm], especially the first paragraph.) There is clearly no way for us to determine the owners of these photographs or to get permission to use them. So we can only use them under some form of "fair use" argument. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 20:27:14, 2005-09-05 (UTC)
::Yes, I did read the explanation, but what about images that have recently been donated to his site? Can we still use them under fair use? I say that because it does appear to be limited looking at [[Wikipedia:Fair use]]. [[User:SoLando|SoLando]] 15:44, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
:::Sorry, this has now come up on [[Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems#Navy photos]]. Can we move the discussion to there. Thanks. [[User:Justinc|Justinc]] 21:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
== Primates category rework ==
After some good discussion on the talk for [[WP:PRIM]] with [[User:Marskell]], I've begun work on cleaning up [[:category:Early hominids]]. Please come to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Primates/category rework]] to weigh in your opinion on what direction to take. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 13:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
==Couple o' bugs with the Gdrbot==
The bot is creating some odd redirects. It created "many, see text" to refer to spiny lizard, and created "very many, see text" to refer to ants. Could you take a look at the bot please? I think it's gone cuckoo. --[[User:Bash|Bash]] 06:13, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
:Which articles are you referring to? [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 11:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
::These are a couple: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many%2C_see_text Many, see text (deleted already)], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_many%2C_see_text Very many, see text (deleted already)], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=See_text.&redirect=no See text.], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=15%2C_see_text&redirect=no 15, see text]. --[[User:Bash|Bash]] 22:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 21:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
== Rana palustris moved to Pickerel frog ==
On Sept 10, you left this edit summary on [[Pickerel frog]]:
:''Rana palustris has been moved to Pickerel frog''
Mind if I ask why? When I create pages for living organisms, I've been trying to create them under their scientific name with a redirect from the various common names of note. This gives us a uniform naming, even when the organism has ''no'' common name (including many bacteria, insects, etc.) -[[User:Harmil|Harmil]] 00:03, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
:See [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)]] and [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna)]]. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 16:40, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
== Úbeda ==
Hello, sorry for the long message.
In March 2005, there was a [[WP:RM]] request and vote (which you took part in) to move [[Úbeda]] to [[Ubeda]], with a 6-3 result, see [[Talk:Ubeda#Requested_move:_.C3.9Abeda_.E2.86.92_Ubeda]] (or perhaps [[Talk:Úbeda#Requested_move:_.C3.9Abeda_.E2.86.92_Ubeda|here]] if renamed).
However, beginning in April 2005 and lasting several months, there was a survey conducted at [[Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)#Proposal and straw poll regarding place names with diacritical marks]], with dozens of participants voting and discussing over an extended period of time. The purpose of the survey was to try to gather feedback for what the policy should be globally. Proponents of diacritics were in the majority, and in general, use of diacritics is widespread in actual practice on Wikipedia today (particularly since the Mediawiki upgrade to Unicode).
However, for Úbeda/Ubeda, Philip Baird Shearer is stating that the WP:RM vote takes precedence over the survey results, and a new WP:RM vote would be required to move it to Úbeda. My position is that there should be a global policy rather than case-by-case voting -- that was the whole purpose of the survey. In discussion with him, I wrote:
:''Just as we wouldn't have case-by-case voting on, say, capitalization issues for articles (eg, prepositions in movie and book titles should be lowercase, globally), we shouldn't have case-by-case voting on diacritic issues.''
See the discussion at [[Talk:Ubeda#Talk_page_discussion_on_page_move]] (or perhaps [[Talk:Úbeda#Talk_page_discussion_on_page_move|here]] if renamed).
As a possible alternative to calling a new WP:RM vote which might set a precedent for case-by-case voting across thousands of articles, I am polling all the participants of the original WP:RM vote to ask:
* Regardless of how you voted in the WP:RM voting, which do you believe should take precedence: the earlier WP:RM vote on the specific article, or the subsequent survey?
Note, since Philip Baird Shearer was one of the participants in that vote, he will also be receiving this message and thus will have the opportunity to respond. -- [[User:Curps|Curps]] 05:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
== 1911 Taxonomy ==
Thank you for all the wonderful work you are doing on the 1911EB taxonomy. I was hoping that putting them together like that would generate some interest, and it looks like I was right. Some of those would have languished on the main lists for a long time. Anyway, I just wanted to offer my compliments. --[[User:DanielCD|DanielCD]] 00:45, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
== Dimorphous Flower ==
Just wanted to say that I like your reorganization of the short pages I put together. One slightly longer article with the redirects makes more sense. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBDunkerson]] 19:42, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
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