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===[[Edge Hill State School]]===
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Sub-stub, very few Google or Yahoo hits, little chance to grow into anything but a yellow pages entry. Also no events or people of note attached to this primary school. Also per [[User:Gateman1997/Schools for Deletion|Schools for Deletion]]. '''Delete'''. [[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 00:29, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' per [[Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments]]. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 01:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
!Australian Cattle Dog
**Might also be upgraded to [[Schools in Cairns]] or something. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 01:13, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' per nom few google hits --[[User:Aranda56|Aranda56]] 03:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
|[[Image:AustrCattleDogBlue_wb.jpg|thumbnail|250px|none|Blue coat color; this dog's tail is docked.]]
*'''Keep''', this is verifiable - [http://www.edgehillss.eq.edu.au/ see here]. Very few Google hits? [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Edge+Hill+State+School%2C+Queensland Probably not.] &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 03:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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::So is my house. But that doesn't mean it belongs in an encyclopedia. [[User:Cmadler|Cmadler]] 11:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
!Alternative names
::*How would we verify your house? [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 02:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Non-notable.[[User:Voice of All(MTG)|'''<font color="blue">Voice</font><font color="darkblue"> of </font> <font color="black">All</font>''']] [[user talk:Voice_of_All%28MTG%29|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]] 04:15, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Stevey7788, I think you forgot to include [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=%22Edge+Hill+State+School%22 quotes] in your search string--the individual words are mostly pretty common, after all. But mentions of the school aren't. Not notable. [[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 06:20, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' Wow it's a school? And it exists? Noooooo way! [[User:PaulHanson|Paul]] 06:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' Per nom. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 10:02, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' Yellow pages entry. [[User:Pilatus|Pilatus]] 11:06, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Doesn't even attempt notability. [[User:Cmadler|Cmadler]] 11:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' There is no "tribal immunity" for substubs that happen to have "school" in their title. WP is not the Yellow Pages. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 12:36, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*This would qualify for speedy deletion- one sentence plus an external link- if it were not a school. '''Delete'''.--[[User:Scimitar|Scimitar]] [[User talk:Scimitar|<sup>parley</sup>]] 15:40, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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**That wouldn't make it a candidate for speedy deletion. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 18:06, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' on principles stated above, but also '''comment''': please note that there exist similar stubs for a number of schools in [[Cairns, Queensland]], including [[St Anthony's Primary, Dimbulah]], [[Cairns West State School]], [[Parramatta State School]], etc. Probably all of these should be deleted. [[User:Chick Bowen|Chick Bowen]] 15:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Makes no claim to notablity and possibly has no claim to make. [[WP:NOT]] an indiscriminate collection of information. [[User:Fernando Rizo|Fernando Rizo]] [[User_talk:Fernando Rizo|''T'']]/[[Special:Contributions/Fernando_Rizo|''C'']] 17:45, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Usual reasons. [[User:WMMartin|WMMartin]] 19:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' crap. [[User:Duncharris|Dunc]]|[[User talk:duncharris|&#9786;]] 19:40, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Keep'''. This school is important to the indigenous population it serves. [[User:Silensor|Silensor]] 19:49, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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:Can that importance be verified? [[User:Chick Bowen|Chick Bowen]] 19:53, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
!Country of origin
::Even if it can I don't see the relevance. My [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Albertsons Saratoga Avenue, Santa Clara, California|grocery store]] is important to the indigenous population it serves (which incidently is MUCH larger then the community this school serves) but that was deleted. Being "important" to a few locals is not reason enough for a worldwide encyclopedia entry any more then existing is. [[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 19:55, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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::*You created that article to makle a [[WP:POINT]], so the fact it was deleted proves nothing. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 20:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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::::I beg to differ. Point or no, it had an equal or better claim to an article then this or several school articles. Yet everyone made some great arguments as to why it should be deleted... and those arguments can be carried over to this article. Many schools are worthy of articles, but this isn't one of them.[[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 20:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' as above. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] 21:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''', important for education in outback [[Queensland]]. --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 21:32, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' It's good in a way to see that the deletionists are increasingly resorting to nominating primary school articles. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 21:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
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|[[Fédération Cynologique Internationale|FCI]]: ||Group 1 Section 2 #287
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|[[American Kennel Club|AKC]]: ||Herding
|[http://www.akc.org/breeds/australian_cattle_dog/index.cfm Std]
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|[[Australian National Kennel Council|ANKC]]: ||Group 5 (Working Dogs)
|[http://www.ankc.aust.com/austcat.html Std]
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|[[Canadian Kennel Club|CKC]]: ||Group 7 - Herding Dogs
|[http://www.nwstar.com/~acdcc/standard.htm Std]
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|[[Kennel Club (UK)|KC(UK)]]: ||Pastoral
|[http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/discoverdogs/pastoral/p835.htm Std]
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|[[New Zealand Kennel Club|NZKC]]: ||Working
|[http://www.nzkc.org.nz/br504.html Std]
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|[[United Kennel Club|UKC]]: || Herding Dog Breeds
|[http://www.ukcdogs.com/breeds/herdingdogs/australiancattledog.std.shtml Std]
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The '''Australian Cattle Dog''' (ACD), also known as the '''Queensland Heeler''', '''Blue Heeler''', and '''Red Heeler''', is a [[herding dog]] developed in Australia for controlling [[cattle]]. It is a medium-sized dog with a lot of energy and an independent streak.
 
==Appearance==
*'''Keep''' - All schols are inherantly notable. --[[User:celestianpower|Celestianpower]] <sup>[[User talk:celestianpower|hab]]</sup> 22:18, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:AustrCattleDogBlueFace_wb.jpg|thumbnail|left|One variant of Blue face markings]]
*Take this, and all the other substub articles created via links from the education section of the [[Cairns, Queensland]] and merge them into one article on education in the area. Which might actually be useful for something other than a child saying "oh look, our school has an article" and obsessives counting the number of stubs they can create. I am assuming here that we're actually trying to create a useful encyclopedia here rather than tiny, pathetic, feeble stubs about everything in the off-chance that something might happen to enable us to write a decent article. I mean, what do we have on this - it's a school, it's in Cairns, it has a headteacher. You could put the useful info on these schools in a table - name, age range, size. Which might actually be useful for people wanting to look up education in Cairns. But I suppose that takes more effort than just creating a bunch of sub-stubs which take far, far longer to look at than information on one page, and in all probability won't get maintained. After all, the time of people reading Wikipedia is NOT valueless. [[User:Average Earthman|Average Earthman]] 23:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
The Cattle Dog's coat comes in a variety of markings, sometimes quite striking. The basic coat colors are ''blue'' and ''red speckle''. For dog owners whose interest is primarily in their qualification for [[dog show]]s, even markings are preferred over uneven markings, and large solid-color marks on the body are undesireable. For owners who are more interested in their dogs' performance in activities such as [[herding]] or [[dog sports]], the breed's strong work ethic and intelligence are of more importance than the exact coat markings.
**The current article is not a sub-stub and is more useful for anyone who needs to know about the school itself than a merged page would be, so in fact it is saving them time. Note that it was created by an anon from a red link, so presumably it was a helpful outsider rather than an obsessive wikipedia editor. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 23:22, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep''' The claim that this is a sub-stub is currently false. Google counting seems to me like a somewhat bizarre method to determine the encyclopedic nature of a school. This is a perfectly good stub and already after only five days it's undergoing active growth. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]][[User talk:Tony Sidaway|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 00:46, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
The mask is one of the most distinctive features of an ACD. This mask consists of a darker red patch over one or both eyes (for the red speckle coat color) or a black patch over one or both eyes (for the blue coat color). These are called, respectively, ''single mask'' and ''double mask''. ACDs without a mask are called ''plain-faced''. Any of these is correct according to the breed standard, and the only limitation is the owner's preference.
**I would still classify it as a substub. There is no more information that is of relevance that has been added since the VFD was tagged. However I will note that the only development on this article (however miniscule and irrelevant) has come as a result OF the VfD.[[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 01:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
** We only delete articles that are ''incapable'' of improvement. An article that shows visible improvement during a deletion discussion, well... You also claim that there is "no more information of relevance that has been added" since you listed it for deletion. This is blatantly false. Since being listed, the article has acquired a reference, the date it was founded, the coalition of which it is a member, and the name of the headmistress. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]][[User talk:Tony Sidaway|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 02:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:AustrCattleDogRed_wb.jpg|thumbnail|left|Red speckle coat color with undocked tail]]
*'''Delete''' no demonstration of notability. [[User:Jonathunder|Jonathunder]] 01:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Many Australian Cattle Dogs have a stripe of white hair in the center of the forehead, usually 1/2 inch to 1 inch by 2 inches to 3 inches (about 2 cm by 7 cm) called the ''Bentley Mark''. This is similar in appearance to the blaze markings sometimes found on [[horse]]s. According to legend, a popular dog owned by Tom Bentley passed on this distinctive mark to all Australian Cattle Dogs.
*'''Keep'''. Permanent public institution in existence for 60+ years.--[[User:Centauri|Centauri]] 02:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 
A female Australian Cattle Dog should measure about 17 to 19 inches (43 to 48 cm) at the [[withers]]. A male Australian Cattle Dog should measure about 18 to 20 inches (46 to 51 cm) at the [[withers]]. An ACD is a well-muscled, compact dog with a short, dense coat and a naturally long tail. An ACD in good condition should weigh roughly 40 to 50 pounds (18 to 23 kg).
 
Some breeders [[docking|dock]] ACD's tails. This is a controversial practice and, in some countries, is illegal or is prohibited for dogs in the [[dog show|show ring]].
Docking Australian Cattle Dogs' tails is a practice peculiar to the United States - ACD tails are not docked in their country of origin, Australia. This is not to be confused with the Stumpy-tailed Cattle Dog, which is born with a naturally docked, or 'bobbed' tail; this animal strongly resembles the ACD in colouring, but has a slightly taller, leaner conformation.
 
==Temperament==
Like many [[herding dog]]s, Cattle Dogs have high energy levels and active minds. They need plenty of exercise and a job to do, such as participating in [[dog sports]], learning tricks, or other activities that engage their minds. Some individuals find repetitive training frustrating and dull, so owners should aim to make training sessions varied and more exciting in order to keep their Dog intrested. Cattle Dogs who do not receive the appropriate exercise and entertainment will invent their own, often destructive, activities. These Dogs are, by nature, timid or wary. They are naturally cautious, and grow more so as they age.Their aggresive nature on strangers make them perfect gaurd dogs.
Cattle Dogs drive cattle by nipping at their heels, but they have also been known to herd other animals, such as ducks or chickens without instruction when left to their own devices. When around people, their instinct to herd is sometimes hard to suppress and they can nip at people to herd them. If these dogs will be around children, they and their owners must have sufficient training to know how to manage or avoid such situations.
 
==Australian Cattle Dog activities==
[[Image:Acd_diving.jpg|thumbnail|left|ACDs need and enjoy any activity, such as diving and swimming.]]
 
Australian Cattle Dogs not only tolerate a high level of physical activity, they almost demand it. Like many other [[herding dog]] breeds, they have active and fertile minds that turn mischievous if not properly channeled. ACDs are highly intelligent and can be very bossy.
 
 
When not active, an ACD can be kept occupied with mental puzzles such as a [http://www.kongcompany.com Kong] stuffed with treats or a [http://www.sitstay.com/store/toys/toysd.shtml Buster Cube].
Among the most popular activities for Australian Cattle Dogs is [[dog agility]]. While the ACD is ideally suited for this work, since it is a [[herding dog|herding breed]] and thus very reactive to the handler's body language, some ACDs become easily frustrated at the repetition and routine necessary to hone agility skills. As for many breeds, frequent brief training sessions are more effective than infrequent long training sessions.
For this reason, many handlers find training an ACD to be challenging. It is important to always change the methods and exercises and not allow the dog or handler to get into a rut. ACDs thrive on change and new experiences.
 
[[Image:Acd_scent_articles.jpg|thumbnail|right|An ACD finding a scent article as part of obedience competition.]] Only a few ACDs, therefore, have excelled in [[obedience training|obedience competition]]
For example, the [[American Kennel Club]] awards an "Obedience Trial Championship" (OTCh) to the dog-and-handler team that defeats a large number of other teams in open competition. A handful of ACDs have reached this level. While ACDs enjoy the challenge of obedience competition, such as retrieving a scented article, the majority of ACDs are easily bored with precision drilling.
 
===Australian Cattle Dogs in movies===
* ''mad dog'' (blue) and a Dingo (red) in ''[[The Sundowners]]'' ([[1960 in film|1960]])
* ''Dog'' in ''[[Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior]]'' ([[1981 in film|1981]])
* ''Zip'' in ''[[Last of the Dogmen]]'' ([[1995 in film|1995]])
 
==External links==
*[http://www.acdca.org Australian Cattle Dog Club of America website]
*[http://www.acdcc.ca Australian Cattle Dog Club of Canada website]
*[http://www.cattledog.com CattleDog.com Centralized repository for all things ''"Cattledog"'']
*[http://www.acdagility.com ACD Agility website]
*[http://www.australiancattledog.com Australian Cattle Dog website: Breed FAQ, Photos, Breeders]
*[http://www.cowdogz.com/ CowDogz.com]
 
==References==
*Buetow K. ''The Australian Cattle Dog : An Owner's Guide to a Happy Healthy Pet'' ISBN 0876054467.
 
 
<gallery>
Image:ACDRedChampion.jpg|Champion Red face markings
Image:Acd_a_frame.jpg|A young ACD at the top of a dog agility A-frame
Image:Acd_jump_chute.jpg|An ACD in a jump chute, practicing [[dog agility]]
Image:Stripepuppy.jpg|Puppy with blue coat color
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