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:::I'm often blown away by NYB's encyclopedic memory of past principles. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 02:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::You could also use the search engine... :-) [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 07:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, I tend to remember the ones I wrote myself. Especially when I wrote them on the workshop before I was an arb, and Fred or Kirill <s>stole</s> found value in them. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 04:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
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:::'''Supplementary comment''' If Xxanthippe continues to suggest that I have been trolling, cherry-picking sources, POV-pushing a Marxist/New Left viewpoint or otherwise, she should provide diffs in her evidence to support those claims or withdraw them. Her comments, so far unsupported by diffs, verge on a sustained [[WP:NPA|personal attack]], possibly due to a grudge that she is harbouring. At the moment her statements read like empty rhetoric. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 08:51, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::Editor [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] does not note my objection to his accusing a Jewish editor of being a [[holocaust denier]] nor my objection to [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] associating me with racist views. I don't know what grudge I am suspected of harbouring. There are plenty of diffs here.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race_and_intelligence/Evidence&oldid=369070541#Evidence_presented_by_Xxanthippe] [[User:Xxanthippe|Xxanthippe]] ([[User talk:Xxanthippe|talk]]) 04:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC).
::::'''Comment on Mathsci's digression:''' this is all patent nonsense. If Mathsci wants to expand this discussion into my interactions with [[User:
::'''Comment on Proposal - Nope:''' I did nothing wrong in this mediation, and ther has been no evidence presented to the effect that I did. As I said before, if you want to open a detailed discussion of my actions, I'm willing; if not, where is the evidentiary grounding for this? --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 19:34, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
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::Copied from the scientology ArbCom case.[[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 08:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' The trouble with this principle is that it has already been used by Mathsci and others to dismiss wide opposition (or even consensus) as the actions of an "alliance". The fact that a number of editors agree on certain editorial decisions cannot be taken as evidence of a conspiracy. (Best example: I weighed in at BLPN on the "wrong" side of a dispute, and was quickly labelled a meatpuppet of a group of editors I knew nothing about.) [[User:Rvcx|Rvcx]] ([[User talk:Rvcx|talk]]) 10:01, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
::'''Comment:''' The other issue with this is that it would impact on Enric Navel, {{
:::'''Comment on Rcvx's edits''' Rvcx, a quite inexperienced content editor beyond the articles [[Larry Sanger]], [[Carly Fiorina]] and [[Microsoft Kin]], seems to have adopted a questionable point of view on an extremely complex topic with no prior familiarity with the extensive literature on [[psychometrics]] and the [[history of psychology]]. Nevertheless he imitated the edits of a tag team and then the image blanking of an IP editor, eventually blocked for calling me a "lying scumbag Troll". During the first of three or four reports by David.Kane on [[WP:BLPN]],[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive86#Arthur_Jensen:_Do_serious_accusations_from_potentially_biases_sources_require_a_higher_standard_of_proof.3F] Rvcx even took it upon himself as a wikipedia editor to read and interpret Jensen's 1969 HER paper directly: but of course wikipedians can't interpret that kind of notoriously controversial article directly. It's a '''primary source''' and that's why we use reliable secondary sources. Here is one the things he wrote: "Digging into this more, I'm having a very hard time verifying the text ... I haven't yet read all of Jensen's 80-page piece that is used as a source, but I haven't yet seen anything suggestion that eugenic intervention is "needed"; only his hypothesis that such intervention would have a greater effect on IQ than remedial education (which is a very different contention)." On reading the paper of [[Donald T. Campbell]], former president of the [[American Psychological Association]], he wrote, "I admit that wading through the academic language is tough, but it's crazy to suggest that Jensen's biases are a major component of this critique." There he completely missed the point: Campbell analysed almost all of the 25 points in the WSJ article and David.Kane had objected solely to the lnking of the word "blacks" and "Jensen" in the discussion of point 25, which he claimed was a BLP violation: for example he later approved this diff [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence&action=historysubmit&diff=367676940&oldid=365376350]. I have no idea at all why David.Kane disrupts wikipedia so much whenever he sees a statement connecting Jensen and blacks. Jensen published many statements about "Negroes" and "American Negroes" in the 1960s and 1970s, as reported in multiple secondary sources and his own series of books, which expanded on his 1969 paper.
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