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This sub-project of the [[{{MUSART}}|Musical Artists]] [[WP:PJ|WikiProject]] is aimed at organizing the categorization of articles about musicians within [[:Category:Musicians]] and it's many many sub categories.

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This sub-project of theThe [[{{MUSART}}|MusicalWikipedia:WikiProject ArtistsMusicians|Musicians]] [[WP:PJ|WikiProject]] isaims aimedto atorganize organizingand categorize the categorization of articles about musicians within [[:Category:Musicians]] and it'sits many, many sub categories.

==Progress==

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==Category structure==

Please use the following guidelines when organizing articles. To discuss these guidelines, please use the {{talk|2=talk page}}.

===Orders===

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# Genre

# Instrument

Pieces of information not included in lower-order categories (1 and 2) should simply be skipped. In the absenseabsence of the instrument, the term "musicians" should be used. Otherwise, the word for someone who plays that instrument should be used (e.g., "guitarists"), and should always be plural.

Examples:

* [[:Category:Pianists]] - 1st order. nationality: NA, genre: NA, instrument: Piano

* [[:Category:American rock musicians]] - 2nd order. nationality: American, genre: rock, instrument: NA

* [[:Category:Pop guitarists]] - 2nd order. nationality: NA, genre: Pop, instrument: guitar

* [[:Category:BritishAmerican punk rock drummers]] - 3rd order. nationality: BritishAmerican, genre: Punk rock, instrument: Drums

===Pre-orders===

In order toTo seperateseparate categories of different orders, we use pre-order categories. These are used to group similar higher order subcategories within their parent category. In general, ''Category:<N> <G> musicians'' is a sub category of ''Category:<N> musicians'', but so is ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'', which is true for all genres "G" and all instruments "I". Therefore, to keep them seperateseparate, we introduce two pre-second order sub-categories of ''<N> musicians'', which are: ''Category:<N> musicians by genre'' and ''Category:<N> musicians by instrument''. ''Category:<N> <G> musicians'' willis now be a sub category of the former, and ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'' will beis a subcategory of the latter, and neither will beis placed directly into ''Category:<N> musicians''. Similarly, pre-third order categories might be of the form ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists by genre'' as a subcategory of ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'' and ''Category:<G> &lt;I>ists by nationality'' is a subcat of ''Category:<G> &lt;I>ists''.

Note that each first order category can have 2 pre-second order sub cats, but each second order category willhas only have 1one pre-third order sub cat, because the second-order category itself is only missing one peicepiece of information.

Example:

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*****[[:Category:American classical pianists]] - third order

There are also three pre-first categories, which are subcategories of [[:Category:Musicians]] itself. These are simply [[:Category:Musicians by nationality]],[[:Category:Musicians by genre]], and [[:Category:Musicians by instrument]].

====Placing pre-order categories====

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''Category:<N> <G> musicians by instrument'' should be placed in the parent category with:

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[[Category:<N> <G>| {{subst:PAGENAME}}]]

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[[Category:<N> musicians by genre|<G>]]

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Always start the sorting word with a capital letter, mediawiki knows the difference and sorts captialcapital letters and lower case letter seperatelyseparately. When sorting by nationality, use the nationality, not the country. When sorting by instrument, use the instrument, not the term for someone who plays the instrument, e.g., [[Guitar]] '''not''' [[Guitarist]].

Examples:

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===IMPORTANT Note about singers===

Singers should be considered musicians who use a specific instrument, that instrument being [[Vocals]]. The term for a person who "plays the vocals" so to speak is a singer. Therefore, in category names, use the term "singer" but when sorting by instrument, use "Vocals" as the instrument.

Also, there is aThe pre-existingprevious standardmethod toof sortsorting singers by "'''style'''" notrather than "genre" (Ee.g., [[:Category:Singers by style]] and [[:Category:American singers by style]].) That'shas finebeen andchanged: weall shouldmusicians, continueincluding tosingers, useshould thatbe standardsorted but"by '''only'''genre", forrather singers. Simply replacethan "genre"by with "style". All other instruments should continue to use "genre"

==Placing articles in the structure==

Articles should be placed into as specific of a category as possible, always favor third-order over second, and second over first whenever the information is available. They should '''not''' be placed in a parent category and also one of it's sub categories, e.g., no placing an article in both ''Category:<N> <G>musicians'' and ''Category:<N> musicians'', it's redundant. And remember, you should only have to place each ''article'' into one category using this scheme because each third order category is a sub-cat of all the appropriate second order and first order categories, so if you put your article into ''Category:<N> <G> &lt;I>ists'', it will automatically fallfalls under ''Category:<N> <G> musicians'', ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'', and ''Category:<G> &lt;I>ists'', not to mention ''Category:<N> musicians'', ''Category:<G> musicians'' and ''Category:&lt;I>ists''.

==Other things that come up==

===Category overlap===

What about things like [[:Category:Heavy metal musicians]] and [[:Category:Rock musicians]]. Clearly Heavy metal musicians are a sub-set of Rock musicians, so [[:Category:Heavy metal musicians]] should be a sub-category of [[:Category:Rock musicians]]. That's fine, no problem, make it a sub cat of [[:Category:Rock musicians]] the same way you normally would. This also applies to [[:Category:Scottish musicians]], which is a sub cat of [[:Category:British musicians]] and [[:Category:Bass guitarists]], which is a sub category of [[:Category:Guitarists]]. The question is whether the sub categories should also be built into the structure. Generally, the answer can be yes, in addition to being a sub cat of [[:Category:American rock musicians]], [[:Category:American heavy metal musicians]] should also be a sub cat of [[:Category:American musicians by genre]] and [[:Category:Heavy metal musicians by nationality]]. The applicability of this is a matter of opinion, but generally, unless the over lap is very strong and very obvious (e.g., ''Category:Six string guitarists'' as a subset of ''Category:Guitarists''), the more-specific subcategory can be placed in the structure. Otherwise, you can simply leave it as a sub-category of the category already in the structure (''Category:Guitarists'' in the previous example).

==={{tl|Fooian fooers}}===

This is a template used to add a [[Wikipedia:Classification|classification]] box to the top of a page based on the subject's nationality and profession. It shows up quite a bit on musician pages and even musician categories. The template itself is fine, but one of the arguments, ''Supercategory'', tends to conflict with the guidelines for third-order categories because the template automatically puts pages directly into second order NI categories, instead of ''NI by genre''. Therefore, on '''category''' pages where this causes a conflict, please simply remove the (optional) ''Supercategory'' argument to resolve the conflict.

===Category:Singer-Instrumentalists===

This is a common type of subcategory, for instance [[:Category:American singer-guitarists]]. These sub categories are fine and don't conflict with the guidelines. Such categories should simply be made sub categories of the appropriate singer and instrumental categories (So [[:Category:American singer-guitarists]] should be a sub-cat of [[:Category:American singers]] and [[:Category:American guitarists]]), but such categories should not themselves be made part of the strucure (e.g., don't put it in [[:Category:American musicians by instrument]] regardless of whether you want to sort it by "Vocals", "Guitar", "Singer-guitar", and any other thing.)

===Category:Singer-songwriters===

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===Other pre-order categories===

There's a lot of categories that look like a pre-order category, for instance [[:Category:American musicians by ethnicity]]. These are not officially maintained by this project at this point, but where such categories do exist, feel free to work them into the structure the same way you would with the others.

===Hip hop categories===

There are some special considerations concerning hip hop categorization:

*Don't create "by instrument" categories-- it makes sense for other genres, but not hip hop.

*Singers who frequently sing for hip hop songs can go in [[:Category:Hip hop singers]].

*Put hip hop performance poets in [[:Category:Slam poets]].

*Try to avoid putting things directly in [[:Category:Rappers]]-- opt for a more specific category of rapper(e.g [[:Category:French rappers]], [[:Category:Female rappers]], etc.).

*DJs go in [[:Category:Hip hop DJs]]; producers are not categorised.

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