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:Wiktionary was no help in my quest, going along with the general misconsensus in this matter and providing me with 16 Polish words mapping to 'whore', 'slag', 'slut', etc. Sonofabitch! ]-:< Even PWN-Oxford and Kościuszko Foundation concur on translation to 'suka' (the former parenthetically qualifying a 'bitch' as a "kobieta rozwiązła" - a licentious woman). I don't agree... With some exceptions in the industries of pornographic films and gangsta' rap, the word 'bitch' is indeed rather used to denote a spiteful and unpleasant woman, and has nothing whatsoever to do with sex. For non-native English-speakers who want to revise and deepen their understanding of the term 'bitch', I recommend a look at [http://andiamnotlying.com/2010/types-of-bitches/ this comprehensive taxonomy of bitches].

:[[User:Doctor Colossus|Doctor Colossus]] 22:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

:: I added the “whore” sense. It must be the source of the widespread non-native use you are talking about. — [[User:TAKASUGI Shinji|T<small>AKASUGI</small> Shinji]] ([[User talk:TAKASUGI Shinji|talk]]) 12:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

== Beotch ==

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Considering that many, many English words are derived from French and not the other way round, wouldn't it be plausible that "bitch" does NOT have its immediate origin in Old Norse/Germanic forms but in the French "biche"?

This is not to say, this is so - but before looking up the etymology of "bitch" I had always automatically assumed that "bitch" was derived from the very similar word "biche"... {{unsigned}}

: Chambers' etymology doesn't mention the French either. [[User:Equinox|Equinox]] [[User_talk:Equinox|◑]] 23:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

::It's possible, but keep in mind that in French "une biche" is a doe (female deer), not a female dog, so it would have had to change species as well as languages when borrowed. [[User:JodianWarrior|JodianWarrior]] ([[User talk:JodianWarrior|talk]]) 18:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

:::Well it already changed from canine to human so .. [[User:Nissimnanach|Nissimnanach]] ([[User talk:Nissimnanach|talk]]) 14:06, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Nissimnanach

:::And [[bichon]] has: Borrowed from {{bor|en|fr|bichon}}. {{doublet|en|bitch}}. [[User:Nissimnanach|Nissimnanach]] ([[User talk:Nissimnanach|talk]]) 14:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Nissimnanach

::::Yes, that's a loanword from English. [[user:Soap|—]]<span style="background-color: #a6ffe0; padding: 3px; border-radius: 6px 6px 6px 6px;"><b>[[user talk:Soap|Soap]]</b></span>[[Special:Contributions/Soap|—]] 12:09, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

== Referring to men ==

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Also, a quote for definition 5 could be the famous line from ''Pulp Fiction'' "Does he look like a bitch?" [[Special:Contributions/142.90.107.101|142.90.107.101]] 23:31, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

:I agree that the sense 4 quote ,

* [[w:Glenn Close|Glenn Close]] in the [[movie]] ''[[w:The Jagged Edge|The Jagged Edge]]'':

*: You called me a '''bitch''', didn’t you?

:doesn't apply, so I removed it. It doesn't seem to really illustrate any of the senses particularly well.--[[User:Person12|Person12]] ([[User talk:Person12|talk]]) 04:22, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== bioch ==

will someone add this to derived terms?[[User:Acdcrocks|Acdcrocks]] 07:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== US ==

Many of the vulgar/colloquial usages mentioned are US-only or north-America only, anyway, unknown in Britain apart from as us-cultural import (other countries? Aus?). In Britain it is possible that younger speakers might say "you're my bitch now" because they've heard US speakers on TV or in US movies. To older English speakers in England it would be incomprehensible apart from being an assumed insult and bizarre when applied to a male. I am a native spkr from England.

What's the best way to go about marking this dialectal restriction?[[User:CecilWard|CecilWard]] ([[User talk:CecilWard|talk]]) 01:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== Dutch (nl) ==

I tried to add 'trut (m/f)' to the Dutch (nl) translation, but do not succeed. ('an error occurred while saving'). Maybe someone else succeeds to do this? Thanks [[User:Passiebeer|Pascal van Geest]] ([[User talk:Passiebeer|talk]]) 16:22, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

== RFV of "assertive" sense ==

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Rfv-sense "{{temp|informal}} An assertive(Can we verify(+) this sense?) person, often female, who gets what he/she wants." [http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=bitch&diff=18954690&oldid=18946991 Added] to the middle of the sense, but not listed, with the comment "Where are there notable cases of someone being called a bitch solely for being assertive?" [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 08:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

: I think I mistakenly added that sense while cleaning up the entry, based on a misinterpretation of some of the quotations. --[[User:Wikitiki89|Wiki]][[User talk:Wikitiki89|Tiki]][[Special:Contributions/Wikitiki89|89]] 08:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

::I don't know that it's a mistake, but it would need citations and unambiguous support may be hard to find. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 20:37, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

::: Not aware of this sense, I note the lack of a {{temp|pejorative}} tag. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 23:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

:Deleted. [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 08:25, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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== RFD ==

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rfd-sense [[bitch#Verb]] #1. I don't see how it is any different from #2. --[[User:Wikitiki89|Wiki]][[User talk:Wikitiki89|Tiki]][[Special:Contributions/Wikitiki89|89]] 11:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:I can see what the entry is trying to do. If I say "[generic female name] is a slut, she sleeps with anyone" that's not complaining per se, it's nastiness/bitterness. If I say "working till 8pm on a Friday is a bitch" that's not nastiness/bitterness, it's complaining. There's a lot of overlap. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 13:59, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:: Well it depends on the context, but I would either say that those are still both really the same sense and the sense is not exactly equivalent to the word "complaining", or that the first example is not bitching per se but more like "being a bitch". --[[User:Wikitiki89|Wiki]][[User talk:Wikitiki89|Tiki]][[Special:Contributions/Wikitiki89|89]] 14:17, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

:As it stands, '''delete''' per nom. If there is a distinct sense, word it better and give it a more distinctive usex. [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 06:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

'''deleted''' -- [[User:Liliana-60|Liliana]] [[User talk:Liliana-60|•]] 22:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Additional Forms and synonym ==

Bitch is often alternatively spelled "bytch" or "bish"

Perhaps adding the chiefly British slang "slag" would do.

== French senses ==

{{ping|Per utramque cavernam}} The French section has only one sense with the terrible, no-good gloss "all senses". I'm sceptical; does the French word really have the attested meaning "female dog" or "queen (of spades)", or even ''all'' of the slang senses? <s>←₰-→</s> [[User:Lingo Bingo Dingo|<small>Lingo</small> ^Bingo _Dingo]] ([[User talk:Lingo Bingo Dingo|talk]]) 07:58, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

:{{reply|Lingo Bingo Dingo}} No, definitely not; it's only used as a synonym of {{m|fr|connasse}} (sense 2). (If you ask me it's only code-switching, but I guess the entry doesn't hurt.) [[User:Per utramque cavernam|Per]] [[User talk:Per utramque cavernam|utramque]] [[Special:Contributions/Per_utramque_cavernam|cavernam]] 08:29, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

== [[bitch eating crackers]] ==

I just learned this phrase, but it seems to be widely used, so I added it to wiktionary. I tried to add it as a derived term to [[bitch]], but my permission level isn't high enough. Can someone else do it please, if it's appropriate? [[User:HouseOfChange|HouseOfChange]] ([[User talk:HouseOfChange|talk]]) 00:40, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Some sense related to candles? ==

I found this in {{w|Virginia Sorensen}}'s ''A Little Lower than the Angels'' (1942):

:One by one, [the city of] Zarahemla snuffed its candles, doused the '''bitches''' in the saucers. Every hand belonged to one who thought of Brother Joseph, whose candle would burn no more [as he was just murdered].

Anyone know what this means? [[User:Thmazing|Thmazing]] ([[User talk:Thmazing|talk]]) 15:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Extension ==

So the word can mean "Promiscuous Woman" and can also mean "Woman" in general, would it be a good idea to have a "by extension" put in" [[Special:Contributions/47.219.43.28|47.219.43.28]] 23:47, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

== Earlier citation for the verb sense ==

Greetings and felicitations. Despite the age of my account, I am a relative neophyte to editing Wiktionary (as opposed to Wikipedia), so I am posting this here, in the hope that it will prove useful.

Regarding New York's claim against Vermont's petition for statehood; John Jay was sent there to support the claim, but came to support Vermont's position instead:

"Despite his best efforts, the Vermont question became a victim of gridlock in Congress. As he [John Jay] put it with obvious distain, 'the issue was "bitched" in its last as well as first stages.'"

* Ellis, Joseph J. (2015). ''The Quartet: Orchestrating the Second American Revolution, 1783–1789''. New York: Alfred A. Knopf. p. 71 ISBN 978-0-385-35340-3. OCLC 903811420. The source is cited in Chapter 3's note 9, p. 261:

** Lawrence, Amanda Reeser; Nuxoll, Elizabeth M. (eds.) (2012). [John Jay] to Egbert Benson, 26 August 1782. ''The Selected Papers of John Jay''. Vol. 2: ''1780–1782''. Charlottesville, VA: University of Virginia Press. p. 326. ISBN 9780813931234. {{OCLC|403857801}}. https://books.google.com/books?id=BuUlzgEACAAJ

I have not seen the original, but do have the Ellis volume in hand. — [[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 05:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)