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:Wiktionary was no help in my quest, going along with the general misconsensus in this matter and providing me with 16 Polish words mapping to 'whore', 'slag', 'slut', etc. Sonofabitch! ]-:< Even PWN-Oxford and Kościuszko Foundation concur on translation to 'suka' (the former parenthetically qualifying a 'bitch' as a "kobieta rozwiązła" - a licentious woman). I don't agree... With some exceptions in the industries of pornographic films and gangsta' rap, the word 'bitch' is indeed rather used to denote a spiteful and unpleasant woman, and has nothing whatsoever to do with sex. For non-native English-speakers who want to revise and deepen their understanding of the term 'bitch', I recommend a look at [http://andiamnotlying.com/2010/types-of-bitches/ this comprehensive taxonomy of bitches].

:[[User:Doctor Colossus|Doctor Colossus]] 22:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

:: I added the “whore” sense. It must be the source of the widespread non-native use you are talking about. — [[User:TAKASUGI Shinji|T<small>AKASUGI</small> Shinji]] ([[User talk:TAKASUGI Shinji|talk]]) 12:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

== Beotch ==

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: Chambers' etymology doesn't mention the French either. [[User:Equinox|Equinox]] [[User_talk:Equinox|◑]] 23:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

::It's possible, but keep in mind that in French "une biche" is a doe (female deer), not a female dog, so it would have had to change species as well as languages when borrowed. [[User:JodianWarrior|JodianWarrior]] ([[User talk:JodianWarrior|talk]]) 18:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

:::Well it already changed from canine to human so .. [[User:Nissimnanach|Nissimnanach]] ([[User talk:Nissimnanach|talk]]) 14:06, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Nissimnanach

:::And [[bichon]] has: Borrowed from {{bor|en|fr|bichon}}. {{doublet|en|bitch}}. [[User:Nissimnanach|Nissimnanach]] ([[User talk:Nissimnanach|talk]]) 14:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Nissimnanach

::::Yes, that's a loanword from English. [[user:Soap|—]]<span style="background-color: #a6ffe0; padding: 3px; border-radius: 6px 6px 6px 6px;"><b>[[user talk:Soap|Soap]]</b></span>[[Special:Contributions/Soap|—]] 12:09, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

== Referring to men ==

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{{ping|Per utramque cavernam}} The French section has only one sense with the terrible, no-good gloss "all senses". I'm sceptical; does the French word really have the attested meaning "female dog" or "queen (of spades)", or even ''all'' of the slang senses? <s>←₰-→</s> [[User:Lingo Bingo Dingo|<small>Lingo</small> ^Bingo _Dingo]] ([[User talk:Lingo Bingo Dingo|talk]]) 07:58, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

:{{reply|Lingo Bingo Dingo}} No, definitely not; it's only used as a synonym of {{m|fr|connasse}} (sense 2). (If you ask me it's only code-switching, but I guess the entry doesn't hurt.) [[User:Per utramque cavernam|Per]] [[User talk:Per utramque cavernam|utramque]] [[Special:Contributions/Per_utramque_cavernam|cavernam]] 08:29, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

== [[bitch eating crackers]] ==

I just learned this phrase, but it seems to be widely used, so I added it to wiktionary. I tried to add it as a derived term to [[bitch]], but my permission level isn't high enough. Can someone else do it please, if it's appropriate? [[User:HouseOfChange|HouseOfChange]] ([[User talk:HouseOfChange|talk]]) 00:40, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Some sense related to candles? ==

I found this in {{w|Virginia Sorensen}}'s ''A Little Lower than the Angels'' (1942):

:One by one, [the city of] Zarahemla snuffed its candles, doused the '''bitches''' in the saucers. Every hand belonged to one who thought of Brother Joseph, whose candle would burn no more [as he was just murdered].

Anyone know what this means? [[User:Thmazing|Thmazing]] ([[User talk:Thmazing|talk]]) 15:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Extension ==

So the word can mean "Promiscuous Woman" and can also mean "Woman" in general, would it be a good idea to have a "by extension" put in" [[Special:Contributions/47.219.43.28|47.219.43.28]] 23:47, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

== Earlier citation for the verb sense ==

Greetings and felicitations. Despite the age of my account, I am a relative neophyte to editing Wiktionary (as opposed to Wikipedia), so I am posting this here, in the hope that it will prove useful.

Regarding New York's claim against Vermont's petition for statehood; John Jay was sent there to support the claim, but came to support Vermont's position instead:

"Despite his best efforts, the Vermont question became a victim of gridlock in Congress. As he [John Jay] put it with obvious distain, 'the issue was "bitched" in its last as well as first stages.'"

* Ellis, Joseph J. (2015). ''The Quartet: Orchestrating the Second American Revolution, 1783–1789''. New York: Alfred A. Knopf. p. 71 ISBN 978-0-385-35340-3. OCLC 903811420. The source is cited in Chapter 3's note 9, p. 261:

** Lawrence, Amanda Reeser; Nuxoll, Elizabeth M. (eds.) (2012). [John Jay] to Egbert Benson, 26 August 1782. ''The Selected Papers of John Jay''. Vol. 2: ''1780–1782''. Charlottesville, VA: University of Virginia Press. p. 326. ISBN 9780813931234. {{OCLC|403857801}}. https://books.google.com/books?id=BuUlzgEACAAJ

I have not seen the original, but do have the Ellis volume in hand. — [[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 05:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)