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===[[:Convert's Cognitive Development Framework]]===▼
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The result was '''no consensus'''. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 21:51, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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The subject of this article appears to be a concept pioneered and promoted by exactly one {{tq|lecturer, academic, practitioner and terrorism expert with over 25 years experience in the field of radicalization}}, but despite this there's nothing on Google Scholar for the subject and Dr. Abdul Haqq Baker appears with a very modest amount of citations, enough to confirm that what he writes ends up on Google scholar, but not enough to establish significant influence. Claims that this concept is currently "in use" appear to be entirely OR, although the sources do establish that Dr. Abdul Haqq Baker is employed on certain government programs in the UK and was consulted in a US court case. Does not meet [[WP:GNG]]. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 06:02, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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'''[[User:Ddstellito|Ddstellito]] ([[User talk:Ddstellito|talk]]) 10:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)'''
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<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, '''[[User:Sam Sailor|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Sailor|Sailor]]''' 13:45, 10 November 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --
I have gathered a few edits that speak to the notoriety of Dr. Baker and his theories. I hope to have them posted in the next 48 hours.
I hope they meet the communities requirements. '''[[User:Ddstellito|Ddstellito]] ([[User talk:Ddstellito|talk]]) 08:29, 11 November 2018 (UTC)'''
Significant changes have been made to the opening of the article to show it's notoriety as it has been sought out by many international organizations such as the United Nstions. If I may also add, one of the theory's that I've found very helpful in my studies is securitization theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitization_(international_relations). However, I am still looking for the notoriety info on that posting. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ddstellito|Ddstellito]] ([[User talk:Ddstellito#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ddstellito|contribs]]) 04:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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*'''Weak Delete or Userfy''' The article is a mess and while I have found some discussion of this, I don't think it's enough. Oddly however, I think it is possible that man behind this theory may be notable. He is a frequently cited and published expert on the subject of Islamic terrorism. I was somewhat surprised that we don't have an article on him. If we did I'd probably support a redirect from this title to [[Abdul Haqq Baker]]. (hint hint) -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 02:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Userfy''' (or '''draftify'''), with a strong recommendation that this be converted into a draft biography of [[Abdul Haqq Baker]], with the framework as a subsection of that biography. The biographical subject is reasonably well-covered: [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11427391/Child-sex-scandal-council-hires-mentors-linked-to-hard-liners.html][https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13686586][https://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/andrew-gilligan/9121313/How-taxpayers-are-still-funding-the-extremists.html][https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201181210928899563.html] [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. This reads as an essay. If it's moved to draft, I suspect it would need a total rewrite (i.e. [[WP:TNT]]).
:I'm mystified at {{U|Legacypac}}'s coment, ''the best way to deal with this draft was expose it to other editors in mainspace''. Surely, if AfC is not cleanup, then moving a draft to mainspace isn't cleanup either. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 03:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
::If there is no clear cut reason to decline a draft intended for mainspace, there is no problem exposing it to more editors. Some pages get greatly expanded and improved while others end up deleted after a wider review. This is one of those edge cases where a single AfC reviewer is not well placed to decide the fate of the page for all time. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 03:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' but perhaps move to the creator's name. His work is clearly gaining traction and is in use, so the title is a logical redirect to his name for now. Racadicalization remains an important topic in national security. Evidently this theory is an attempt to understand it. I don't see how this is [[WP:OR]] since the page creator did not make this up, just collected material about where the topic is discussed, same as any other good page. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 03:27, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
:: There's OR in assuming that the cognitive model was implemented/used on a given project just because RS say that Dr. Baker was employed on said project without mentioning the cognitive model in their coverage. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. The study is as relevant as Dr. Abdul Haqq Baker, who can very well have his own article, as he would qualify per WP:ACADEMIC. With [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Convert%27s_Cognitive_Development_Framework&type=revision&diff=870932085&oldid=870870174 this edit] I cleaned up the parts that talk exclusively about Dr. Abdul Haqq Baker, which are not very relevant for the article and should be used in his potential article. I also added a lead to summarize the content. Last, perhaps the move from ''Convert's Cognitive Development Framework'' to ''Muslim Convert Cognitive Development Framework'' would be more descriptive, but this is another matter. --[[User:1l2l3k|1l2l3k]] ([[User talk:1l2l3k|talk]]) 14:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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