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==== Category:LSU–Alexandria Generals baseball ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:LSU–Alexandria Generals baseball]] - {{lc1|LSU–Alexandria Generals baseball}}<br />▼
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 00:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Has only entry and its a redirect. LSU–Alexandria Generals baseball doesn't even have an article. [[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 23:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Ontario communities with large francophone populations ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Ontario communities with large francophone populations]] - {{lc1|Ontario communities with large francophone populations}}<br />▼
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category with arbitrary and poorly defined inclusion criteria. While there is a [[List of francophone communities in Ontario]], which basically lists every community in the province whose francophone population exceeds the provincial average of 4.1 per cent, that list does not correspond to what's been selected for inclusion here -- this category does have partial overlap with the list, but randomly excludes some places that appear in the list and randomly includes some places that don't: there are things here that are ''census divisions'' rather than ''communities'', there are unincorporated communities for which there's no demographic data in existence for us to properly [[WP:V|verify]] whether the size of its francophone community is "large" or not -- and the two major cities in the category, Ottawa and Sudbury, each double-dip by also applying the category to Orleans and Rayside-Balfour, sub-municipal neighbourhoods ''within'' each city. So the inclusion criteria are random and arbitrary to begin with, before you take into account that it's also mixing in things whose inclusion is impossible to properly verify and/or which don't belong in a category for "communities" at all -- all of which is a recipe for "this shouldn't exist in this form". [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 23:20, 8 November 2018 (UTC)▼
:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 00:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
▲:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category with arbitrary and poorly defined inclusion criteria. While there is a [[List of francophone communities in Ontario]], which basically lists every community in the province whose francophone population exceeds the provincial average of 4.1 per cent, that list does not correspond to what's been selected for inclusion here -- this category does have partial overlap with the list, but randomly excludes some places that appear in the list and randomly includes some places that don't: there are things here that are ''census divisions'' rather than ''communities'', there are unincorporated communities for which there's no demographic data in existence for us to properly [[WP:V|verify]] whether the size of its francophone community is "large" or not
* Agree with nominator that there are no clear inclusion criteria. '''Delete''' (or if kept '''rename''' to [[:Category:Ontario districts and municipalities of the French Language Services Act]] and '''purge'''). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:19, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Ancient Christianity ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Rename the first two to [[:Category:Christianity in the late modern period]] and [[:Category:Christianity in the early modern period]]; no consensus for the third but a new nomination of that alone is recommended'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 21:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Late Modern history of Christianity]] to [[:Category:Christianity in late modern era]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Early Modern history of Christianity]] to [[:Category:Christianity in early modern era]]
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*'''Support the first two nominations''' Clear scope. The [[early modern period]] lasts from c. 1453 to 1789, and the [[late modern period]] from c. 1800 (the [[Great Divergence]]) to either 1945 or to the present time. I am not certain how to apply the "antiquity" category. [[Classical antiquity]] lasts from the 8th century BC to the 5th or 6th century AD, and [[Late antiquity]] covers the period from the reign of [[Diocletian]] (reigned 284-305) to either the [[Early Muslim conquests]] (7th century) or to the start of the [[Carolingian Renaissance]] (8th century). [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 07:56, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support first two but add "the"''' and use "period", i.e. [[:Category:Christianity in the early modern period]] and [[:Category:Christianity in the late modern period]], which would be consistent with various siblings and with usage in the discussion above. I note that a lot of categories capitalise "Early Modern" but I do not support that. '''Mild oppose''' renaming from "Ancient", which seems fine to me and has many consistently-named siblings using "Ancient" despite the parent being [[:Category:Religion in classical antiquity]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
:: So for the third nomination, would simply [[:Category:Christianity in antiquity]] do? [[User:Chicbyaccident|Chicbyaccident]] ([[User talk:Chicbyaccident|talk]]) 00:42, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Prefer''' [[:Category:Christianity in the early modern period]] and [[:Category:Christianity in the late modern period]], rather than as nom. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 12:05, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Prefer''' [[:Category:Christianity in the early modern period]] and [[:Category:Christianity in the late modern period]] and [[:Category:Christianity in antiquity]]. For sub-divisions of Antiquity, it would be preferable to use [[Constantine the Great and Christianity]] (313) as the starting year rather than the reign of [[Diocletian]] (reigned 284-305). [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 14:59, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Diocletian's reforms are the ones used as the start of [[late antiquity]] in sources. I was not suggesting using his reign to define the Christian categories. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 15:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
* (as nominator) I'm perfectly fine with replacing "era" by "period", as suggested. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:56, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
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==== Hindu calendars ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Merge'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 17:09, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Observances set by the Hindu calendar]] to [[:Category:Hindu festivals]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Observances set by the Bengali calendar]] to [[:Category:Bengali Hindu festivals]]
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Observances set by the Malayalam calendar]] to [[:Category:Hindu festivals in Kerala]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''merge''' per [[WP:OVERLAPCAT]], these calendars are exclusively tied to the Hindu religion (split by country/region), categorizing the articles by Hindu festival <u>and</u> by calendar is mere duplication. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
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==== Religious calendars ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Merge/rename'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 17:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Observances set by the Nanakshahi calendar]] to [[:Category:Sikh festivals]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Observances set by the Zoroastrian calendar]] to [[:Category:Zoroastrian festivals]]
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''merge''' per [[WP:OVERLAPCAT]], these calendars are exclusively tied to a religion, categorizing the articles by religious festival <u>and</u> by calendar is mere duplication.
: Note for the third category that the usual term in Bahá'ism is holy days rather than observances, per [[Bahá'í Holy Days]] and similar to [[:Category:Jewish holy days]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' though would prefer a standard of "festivals". [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 15:07, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
:* Currently we have observances, festivals, holy days and holidays. Perhaps we can align all of that some day. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:City Councilmen of Nauvoo, Illinois ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename and merge''' as proposed. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Feminist|feminist]] ([[User talk:Feminist|talk]]) 16:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:City Councilmen of Nauvoo, Illinois]] to [[:Category:Nauvoo, Illinois city council members]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Aldermen of Nauvoo, Illinois]] to [[:Category:Nauvoo, Illinois city council members]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category incorrectly named according to our [[WP:NC|naming conventions]] for city councillor categories (see parent category {{cl|Illinois city council members}}, where the two sibling subcategories for Chicago and Peoria are both named in the ''target'' format.)<br>As for the "aldermen" category, Nauvoo seems to be a bit of an edge case — unlike most cities, where "alderman" and "councillor" mean the same thing and the gender-neutral term ''replaced'' the gendered one when women started getting elected to city councils on a regular basis, Nauvoo seems to be a place that ''simultaneously'' used ''both'' terms for different people on the same city council even in the 1840s. (The article on its city council doesn't specify what the ''distinction'' between the two terms might be, however; it just says that some of the members were aldermen and others were councillors, the end.) But Nauvoo is not actually a place where serving on city council would pass [[WP:NPOL]] in its own right, but rather everybody in both categories combined either (a) has another notability claim for other reasons, mainly prominence in the Mormon ''Church'' hierarchy, rather than being "notable" as city councillors per se, or (b) isn't really notable at all and should be deleted. So the fact that Nauvoo divvied its city council up under two different titles isn't really a strong reason why the two titles would need two separate categories — they should just be merged into one category at a general term that covers both titles, and fortunately the standard naming convention for city council member categories accomplishes exactly that. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 20:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Merge both per nom''' -- This is a place with 1100 odd inhabitants today, its council having been a shortlived affair in the 1840s. Do we really need three categories for this, including mayor? The people concerned were notable in connection with the LDS church, not for their political role at Nauvoo. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 12:12, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
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==== LGBT political advocacy groups in New England ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''procedural close''' as the category pages were not tagged to give anyone notice of the discussion. In any case there was no support from the regular CFD participants who happened to see it. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 13:40, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I propose that we take [[:Category:LGBT political advocacy groups in Maine]] with [[:Category:LGBT political advocacy groups in Massachusetts]] and merge both into [[:Category:LGBT political advocacy groups in New England]].
This could help clean up the large amount of subcategories in [[:Category:LGBT political advocacy groups in the United States]].
:I am in need of assistance for the what the proper formatting for this proposed merger. I have less experience with categories. ―<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MattLongCT|<em style="color:black">Matthew J. Long</em>]] <b>[[User talk:MattLongCT|-Talk-]]</b><sup style="font-size:75%">[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 14:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I am of two minds as to whether {{cl|LGBT political advocacy groups in the United States}} really needs to be subdivided by state at all — the vast majority of its subcategories are one, two or three item [[WP:SMALLCAT]]s, and the category as a whole is not large enough to require geographic subdivision at all — but as it stands, the criterion of division is by individual state, not by broad multistate region. As long as we're doing it that way, there's no valid reason for Maine and Massachusetts to be handled differently than any of the other 33 states-plus-DC that have their own state-specific categories. For another thing, both of these are also subcategories of "LGBT in [State]" parent categories, which would mean every item in a merged category would be half wrong in its categorization genealogy.<br>If somebody wanted to put forward a batch proposal to get all of the subcategories upmerged to the appropriate parents, I'd probably support that — but this, as constituted here, I can't support under the circumstances as they stand today. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 17:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''', agree with both minds of Bearcat. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
* We dont have clear multistate region system for the USA. Almost every category where divided by geography is divided by state. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 21:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Saint Barthélemy supercentenarians ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Saint Barthélemy supercentenarians]] - {{lc1|Saint Barthélemy supercentenarians}}<br />▼
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' speedy delete, empty category--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 15:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)<!-- Template:Cfd top -->
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Empty category with no potential members that have an article. There was only one person who fit the category description, [[Eugénie Blanchard]], and she is now only memorialized by a redirect to [[List of French supercentenarians]]. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 10:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' This category is both non-existent and therefore fails any notability guideline as well. [[User:Newshunter12|Newshunter12]] ([[User talk:Newshunter12|talk]]) 04:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Space: Above and Beyond ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Space: Above and Beyond]] - {{lc1|Space: Above and Beyond}}<br />▼
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 00:04, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose deleting'''
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category for a TV series with only the show itself as a member. <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 00:19, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''; no merging is needed. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nominator.[[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 14:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
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