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{{Infobox hurricane season | name=1948 Atlantic hurricane season
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| first storm formed=[[August 21|Aug. 21]], 1948
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| last storm dissipated=[[November 10|Nov. 10]], 1948
! width="50%" align="left" | <font color="grey">&lt;</font> [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 5|November 5]]
| strongest storm=#6, 8 - 115 knots (135 mph)
! width="50%" align="right" | [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 7|November 7]] <font color="grey">&gt;</font>
| total storms=9
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| major storms=4
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| total damages=$30.9+ million<br>(1948 [[USD]])
| total fatalities=94
| basin=Atlantic hurricane
| five seasons=[[1946 Atlantic hurricane season|1946]], [[1947 Atlantic hurricane season|1947]], '''1948''', [[1949 Atlantic hurricane season|1949]], [[1950 Atlantic hurricane season|1950]]
}}
<!-- Created with subst: of [[Template:Hurricane season single]]. -->The '''1948 Atlantic hurricane season''' officially began on [[June 1]], [[1948]], and lasted until [[November 30]], [[1948]]. These dates conventionally delimit the period of each year when most [[tropical cyclone]]s form in the [[Atlantic basin]].
 
=== November 6 ===
The 1948 season was about average in terms of cyclone formation but above average in terms of more powerful cyclones developing, with 9 [[tropical storm]]s, 6 [[hurricanes]], and 4 major hurricanes forming during the year. Some significant storms include a hurricane that hit western [[Cuba]] as a category 4 and later clipped the southeast coast of [[Florida]], the northern [[Bahamas]], and [[Bermuda]] as a category 2 storm. Another hurricane hit southwest Florida as a category 2 and a category 1 storm hit [[Louisiana]]. Tropical storms also hit [[Haiti]], causing about 80 deaths, and the [[Florida Panhandle]].
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==== Category:Television stations in Columbia, SC ====
{{lc|Television stations in Columbia, SC}}<br/>
'''rename''' to [[:Category:Television stations in Columbia, South Carolina]]. [[User:Cyberinluuy|Cyberinluuy]] 23:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 09:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Exhibition architect ====
==Storms==
{{lc|Exhibition architect}}<br/>
New user, notability/vanity issues, self-written? —[[User:Dogears|Dogears]] 23:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete,''' without any evident (valid) purpose.--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>[[User talk:CJLL Wright|<small>''TALK''</small>]] 05:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 09:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as per all above. -- [[User:Scientizzle|Scientizzle]] 07:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Great Motorcycling Roads ====
===Tropical Storm One===
{{lc|Great Motorcycling Roads}}<br/>
{{storm path|1948 Atlantic tropical storm 1 track.png|Storm path|thumb|right}}
{{lc|Great Motorcycling Roads of Australia}}<br/>
On [[May 22]], a broad area of low pressure south of [[Hispaniola]] organized enough to be classified a tropical storm. It moved across the island later that day, causing 80 deaths from drownings. It continued northward, reaching a peak of 50 mph winds before dissipating on the 28th over the northwest Atlantic.
{{lc|Great Motorcycling Roads of New South Wales}}<br/>
{{lc|Great Motorcycling Roads of Victoria}}<br/>
Categories are not titled in the spirit of [[WP:NPOV]]. -- [[User:Longhair|Longhair]]\<sup>[[User_talk:Longhair|talk]]</sup> 22:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*Assuming this is some kind of advocacy group's unofficial designation, it does not seem like a defining characteristic. '''Listify''' and mention in the articles. I think I feel the same way even if it's a goverment designation, something like a US [http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/travel/scenic/rusticroads.htm rustic road] or the [[Great River Road]]. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 00:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', seems like a purely arbitrary category to me. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 02:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC).
*'''Delete''' - what defines a "great motorcycling road"? [[User:JROBBO|JROBBO]] 04:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:* And who has defined it as such? : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete all.''' What, even, defines a "motorcycling road"? It's a term AFAIK not in any formal use at all, and even listifying is problematic, as would come down to a purely personal opinion.--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>[[User talk:CJLL Wright|<small>''TALK''</small>]] 05:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' As per comments above. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 06:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete/listify''', arbitrary catting. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' This is list material at the most. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 20:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' even as a motorcyclist, I would say this is at best a pub debate - and not even enecyclopedically worthy of a list! Rgds, - [[User:Trident13|Trident13]] 19:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Canadian military operations ====
===Tropical Storm Two===
==== Category:South African Air Force squadrons ====
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==== Category:Australian brigades ====
An area of disturbed weather over the northern [[Gulf of Mexico]] developed into a tropical depression on [[July 7]]. It moved northeastward, hitting the [[Florida Panhandle]] on [[July 9]]. The storm dissipated on [[July 11]] over [[Tennessee]], after causing minor damage from flooding.
==== Category:French brigades ====
==== Category:French battalions ====
==== Category:Rhodesian regiments ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''renamed'''. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?!"</font>]] 20:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC) <br/>
: [[:Category:Canadian military operations]] to [[:Category:Military operations of Canada]]
: [[:Category:South African Air Force squadrons]] to [[:Category:Squadrons of the South African Air Force]]
: [[:Category:Australian brigades]] to [[:Category:Brigades of Australia]]
: [[:Category:French brigades]] to [[:Category:Brigades of France]]
: [[:Category:French battalions]] to [[:Category:Battalions of France]]
: [[:Category:Rhodesian regiments]] to [[:Category:Regiments of Rhodesia]]
*'''Rename [all]''' IAW WP Military History naming guidelines.--[[User:Oldwildbill|Oldwildbill]] 22:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename all''' [[User:Arbustoo|Arbusto]] 06:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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==== Category:Ancient Indian Kingdoms ====
===Hurricane Three===
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The third storm of the season formed over the open Atlantic northeast of [[Antigua]] in late [[August]] and moved directly northwest, strengthening steadily, eventually reaching major hurricane status. It began weakening as it approached the US coast. As it weakened, it turned sharply northeast and accelerated, passing southeast of [[North Carolina]]'s [[Outer Banks]]. The storm kicked up heavy surf and prompted some evacuations on the low-lying islands. The storm, however, did no damage. It became extratropical as it passed well southeast of [[Cape Cod]].
The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''speedy rename'''. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 09:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 
[[:Category:Ancient Indian Kingdoms]] to [[:Category:Ancient Indian kingdoms]]
===Tropical Storm Four===
*'''Rename''', not a proper noun. [[User:Espoo|Espoo]] 20:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Speedy''', capit. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
A tropical storm moved through the [[Lesser Antilles]] on [[September 1]]. It brought heavy, but beneficial rains to the islands.
*'''Speedy rename''' [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 20:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Rename''' - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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==== Category:Characters created by Roy Thomas ====
===Hurricane Five===
{{lc|Characters created by Roy Thomas}}<br/>
{{storm path|1948 Atlantic hurricane 5 track.png|Storm path|thumb|right}}
'''Delete''' per precedents [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_October_29#Category:Fictional_characters_created_by_Stan_Lee|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_October_29#Category:Fictional_characters_created_by_Chris_Claremont|here]]. To illustrate the problems with "creator" categories, [[Adam Warlock]] was added, because he had altered the character from how it was originally created by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby. [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]] 14:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
On [[September 1]], a tropical storm formed in the western Gulf of Mexico. It moved northeastward, strengthening to a hurricane on [[September 3]] before hitting southeast [[Louisiana]] on [[September 4]]. It weakened as it moved north-northeastward, and dissipated on [[September 7]]. The hurricane caused $900,000 in damage (1948 dollars).
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 18:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*I vote to not delete. I created this category without knowledge of these category debates but feel that "characters created by.."-type categories are still valid. I have read nothing in the [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_October_29#Category:Fictional_characters_created_by_Stan_Lee|general discussion]] of category deletion candidates that convinces me that these sorts of categories are not essential. To me, the "Characters created by Roy Thomas" category answers the three main questions of categories:
*If the category does not already exist, is it possible to write a few paragraphs or more on the subject of the category, explaining it?
*If you go to the article from the category, will it be obvious why the article was put in the category?
*Is the category subject prominently discussed in the article?
 
To me, because of the persistent issues surrounding character creation in mainstream U.S. comics from the 1930s to the present, an attempt on Wikipedia's part to organize these creations by creator and to connect these characters together (something a list would not really do) would be a great service. Most if not all of the entries list creators as per the template so there should be no reason not to categorize the entries by creator/co-creator.
===Hurricane Six===
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Storm Six was a [[Cape Verde-type hurricane]] that formed from a tropical wave off Africa on [[September 3]] and rapidly strengthened into a hurricane. It moved steadily west-northwest across the Atlantic, gradually strengthening. The storm became a major hurricane while northeast of the [[Windward Islands]]. It began to make a broad curve to the north over a three-day period. During that period, the storm continued to strengthen, peaking at Category 4 strength with winds of 135 mph. Shortly after, the hurricane passed almost directly over Bermuda, bringing 100+ mph winds to the island. Damage was heavy but no figures currently exist. No people are known to have died. The hurricane continued north and curved gently to the northeast, passing south of Cape Race, Newfoundland before becoming extratropical.
 
The situation is not quite the same with Shakespeare or Dickens since there are really no active legal issues surrounding the creation or ownership of the characters.
===Hurricane Seven===
{{storm path|1948 Atlantic hurricane 7 track.png|Storm path|thumb|right}}
[[Image:1948 Hurricane.JPG|right|thumb|Radar Picture of the hurricane near [[Key West, Florida]]]]
A tropical wave in the northwestern [[Caribbean Sea]] developed into a tropical storm on [[September 18]]. It moved northwestward, hitting [[Cuba]] south of [[Havana]] on [[September 20]]. It strengthened to a major hurricane the next day, hit the [[Florida Keys]], and made landfall near [[Everglades City, Florida]] on [[September 21]]. It weakened over Florida, and turned northeast, becoming extratropical on [[September 24]]. The hurricane was responsible for $12 million in damage (1948 dollars) and 3 deaths in Florida; 10 deaths and "several million dollars" in damage in Cuba.
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If the issue is the actual phrasing of the category (ie, Roy Thomas characters vs Characters created by Roy Thomas) this is easily rectified and I wish those voting against would specify. A category like DC Comics characters also implies ownership, even when ownership may be in dispute (there will never be a category called Characters created by DC comics unless perhaps DC buys a program or monkey that randomly generates characters).
===Hurricane Eight===
--[[User:Gothamgazette|Gothamgazette]] 08:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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* '''Delete''', these categories are a bad idea, invite ambiguity and overextend the categorisation structure. Better presented through article space, maybe at [[Roy Thomas]] for example, or listify. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 21:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
A tropical storm formed in the Western Caribbean Sea on [[October 3]]. It turned northward, hitting Western Cuba on the 5th as a major hurricane; an area just hit by a hurricane 2 weeks before. It continued northeastward, reaching a peak of 135 mph winds before hitting the Florida Keys and southwest [[Florida]] on [[September 5]] and [[September 6|6]]th. Weakening over land, the hurricane passed just south of Bermuda, weakened to a tropical storm, looped northward, and dissipated on [[September 16]]. The hurricane caused $11 million in damage (1948 dollars) and 11 casualties.
*'''Delete''' per previous discussions, especially due to the potential for ambiguity in attributing who created a comic book character (as well-stated by Steve block, above). - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Creator credits in most comics are messy (especially as corporate ownership removes the incentive to precisely establish them) and many characters emerge from existing elements, sometimes with much dispute (just imagine [[Venom creator credit dispute|the chaos]] in trying to put [[Venom (comics)|Venom]] into such categories). [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 03:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and incorporate into the prose, or make a list (including co-creators) in the [[Roy Thomas]] article. --[[User:HelenKMarks|HKMarks]]([[User talk:HelenKMarks|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/HelenKMarks|C]]) 03:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Sports images ====
===Hurricane Nine===
[[:Category:Sports images]] into [[:Category:Images from sports]]
{{storm path|1948 Atlantic hurricane 9 track.png|Storm path|thumb|right}}
*'''Merge''', Two categories serving the same purpose. I'm not sure which is the correct name though. [[User:Stephen Turner|Stephen Turner]] ([[User talk:Stephen Turner|Talk]]) 12:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The final storm of the season formed in early [[November]] over the open ocean southwest of Bermuda and made a curve to the north while slowly strengthening. The storm peaked with 80 mph winds before the center began to fall apart. The weakening storm passed by the [[Outer Banks]] with minimal effects before degenrating into a squall line off the [[Virginia]] coast early on [[November 11]].
*'''Merge'''. Previous discussions have supported the latter form. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 23:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Academics of University of Warwick ====
== See also ==
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*[[List of notable tropical cyclones]]
The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''speedy delete''' (db-author). [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] <span style="font-size:90%;">([[User talk:David Kernow|talk]])</span> 04:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*[[List of Atlantic hurricane seasons]]
 
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==External links==
'''Speedy delete''', this was accidentally created. [[:Category:Academics of the University of Warwick]] is now in existance. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 12:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*[http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/general/lib/lib1/nhclib/1948.pdf 1948 Monthly Weather Review]
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====Category:British female MPs====
====Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from English constituencies====
====Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies====
====Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Northern Irish constituencies====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''close as duplicate nomination'''. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 12:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 
*[[:Category:British female MPs]] to [[:Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament]] or alternatively nominated for deletion.
*[[:Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from English constituencies]] is nominated for deletion.
*[[:Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies]] is nominated for deletion.
*[[:Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Northern Irish constituencies]] is nominated for deletion.
:See also: [[Category talk:British MPs]] and [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 5#Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from English constituencies|This related CfR]].- [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:*I have added the three female subcats for deletion above. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 18:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 
*'''Delete''' [[:Category:British female MPs]] and its three subcategories because there are so many of them that there is nothing remarkable about them being female. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 18:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
[[Category:Atlantic hurricane seasons|1948]]
*'''Rename''' the first (opposing the use of [[MP]], as ambiguous), and if a consensus result of merge or delete, '''Merge''' to appropriate non-gender specific categories. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 21:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_2#Category:British_female_MPs|This has already been substantially discussed]]. As I made clear in those discussions, there is still a valid reason for having gender based categorisation, as women MPs were only allowed relatively recently in the history of the UK Parliament, with very low numbers historically and still less than 20% of the current parliament being women. Hence this is a notable factor and worth categorising. [[User:Mtiedemann|Martín]] <small>([[User talk:Mtiedemann|saying]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mtiedemann|doing]])</small> 22:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
**So you are saying at some time they will be larger in number and at that time we can delete the category? What happens to the category when they become the majority? If this was a historical event shouldn't it be an article and not a category? [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 23:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
**When women a in a majority in the categorries on UK MP, we would need Praliament to be entirely female for about 180 years, because these categories are historical, i.e they include all MPs since the UK Parliament was founded. I give you my most sincere promise that when we get there, I will enthusiastically support the deletion of these female MP categories. Until then, see [[Wikipedia:Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality#Other_considerations|the guidelines]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 20:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' the first for purposes of consistency. '''Oppose''' deletions of all others as yet another attempt to backdoor around the established consensus on categorizing politicians by sex. The notion that categorizing based on sex is automatically a '''BAD THING''' is kinda stupid anyway but if current consensus is that it's to be avoided except when justifiable is in place, then that guideline should be respected unless those who tag pretty much every single sex-related category nomination (including those that are offered for renaming or merging) with a delete tag to push their POV that such categories should never exist want to take the appropriate steps to re-open the discussion on the issue instead of these somewhat underhanded attempts to get around it. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 23:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' for inverted sexism. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 09:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Procedural comment''': This nomination bypasses a pre-existing and live discussion at [[Category_talk:British_MPs#Renaming_subcategories_after_restructuring|category talk]], and neither includes the options preferred at that discussion nor includes any explanation of or direct link to their rationale. I asked for this nonination to be withdrawn by the nominator ([[User:Jc37]]) to allow a new CFD with all the options and explanations laid out, but sadly Jc37 has rejected that request, and expressed a preference for admin involvement. I have therefore posted a [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27 noticeboard/Incidents#One_CFD_withdrawn_needs_closing.2C_other_CFDs_apparent_bad_faith_by_User:Jc37|requst to WP:ANI for this nomination to be closed as a bad faith nomination]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 
:However, I do not want to prejudge the outcome of ANI, so I now nominate the categories according to the proposals orginally made at [[Category_talk:British_MPs#Renaming_subcategories_after_restructuring|category talk]].
:*{{cl|British female MPs}} to {{cl|UK female MPs}}
::*{{cl|Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Northern Irish constituencies}} to {{cl|UK female MPs for Northern Irish constituencies}}
::*{{cl|Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from English constituencies}} to {{cl|UK female MPs for English constituencies}}
::*{{cl|Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies}} to {{cl|UK female MPs for Scottish constituencies}}
 
:There are several reasons for this proposal:
:#the highest level category here, {{cl|British female MPs}} is ambiguous. It refers only to members of the [[United Kingdom parlaiment]], but the name could be read as including members of other parliaments in Britain, such as the pre-1707 [[Parliament of England]], to the current [[Scottish Parliament]], or the 1922-1972 Stormont parliament. The new name is precise
:#The reason for using the abbreviated form "UK female MPs" is partly to develop consistency across the range of categories in which United Kingdom MPs are placed (there is unanimous support for this at [[Category_talk:British_MPs#Renaming_subcategories_after_restructuring|category talk]]). It is usuual for an MP to be included in several categories realting to their time in parliament: for the nation in which their constituency is located, their party or parties, and hich parliaments they were members of. Keeping the names reasonably brief is important if the category box on each article is not to grow unreasonably huge, and keeping a consistent format for the category names make it easier for editors to remember them; shorter names are also more likely to be typed accurately. The "UK" abbreviation is widely used, and the term MP is also widely known, and should in a any case be explained in every article on an MP where the term is introduced, as "[[Member of Parliament]] (MP). --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 
*'''Rename all to format "UK female MPs"'''. '''Oppose delete''': as [[User:Mtiedemann|Martín]] wrote above, [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_2#Category:British_female_MPs|This has already been substantially discussed in August]], and the existence of these categories is supported by [[Wikipedia:Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality#Other_considerations]] because the gender of MPs categorisation is of special encyclopedic interest. [[http://www.fawcett.wholething.co.uk/documents/representation%20-%20April%202006.doc The Facett Society's briefing]] records that women MPs numbered 23 in 1983 (3.5%), 41 in 1987 (6.3%), 60 in 1992 (9.2%), 120 in 1997 (18.2%), 118 in 2001 (17.9%), 128 in 2005 (19.8%). I therefore estimate the proportoion of those females amongst who are or have been MPs to be less than 5%, and possibly as low as 2%. That degree of gender imbalance in legislators is a subject of soecila enculclopedic interest. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Merchbow. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]]'s figures show how rapidly this has become irrelevant. It is a proper subject of interest for discussion in one relevant article, not for making a point of at the bottom of hundreds of articles. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 01:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' The one category where that might have merit would be a "current female MPs" category, but there isn't one. These are historical sub-categories, covering the period since 1801: it is only wrt to current MPs that the proprtion rises to nearly 20%. As above, women amount to about 2% of all those who have been Members of Parliament since the UK Parliament was created by the Act of Union 1800. That's hardly a high proportion.<br />e.g. articles in [[:Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies|Scottish MPs]]: 478, [[:Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies|Scottish Female MPs]]: 18 (3.8%). That's counting existing articles, which are mainly from the 20th century; as we add aricls for the 19th century MPs, the percentage will fall.<br />Similar categories exist for other nations, where the historical proportions are similar: {{cl|Women in the United States Congress}}, {{cl|Female Teachtaí Dála}} (Ireland) and {{cl|Women Politicians - France}}. [[Wikipedia:Categorization/Gender%2C_race_and_sexuality#Other_considerations|Categorisation guidelines]] say that categories such as these are "valid as a topic of special encyclopedic interest." --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 17:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' all per Merchbow and Piccadilly. [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]] 02:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 17:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' and '''Oppose deletion''' per Martín, we have Category:Female life peers, we have Category:Female heads of goverment and we have even Category:Women in politics, there is no reason to have not a category of female MP's. <span style="color:darkgreen">~~ [[User:Phoe|<span style="color:darkgreen">Phoe</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Phoe|<span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkgreen">talk</span>]]</sub> 17:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC) ~~ </span>
**That's actually a reason to make some more deletion nominations. I will nominate the category for life peers. [[User:Nonomy|Nonomy]] 20:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Anachronistic. [[User:Nonomy|Nonomy]] 20:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose rename''' of [[:Category:British female MPs]] to [[:Category:Female members of the United Kingdom Parliament]] as it is incorrect. All female members of Parliament would have to be included, this includes the current sovereign and female members of the Lords. Either rename to [[:Category:Female members of the United Kingdom House of Commons]] or do not rename. No opinion on deletions. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 21:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename all''' to format UK female MPs... Oppose deletion. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 02:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nominated. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 06:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Arbustoo|Arbusto]] 06:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''', especially the sub-categories. If we go down this road, how long before we get [[:category:Female Labour MPs for Aldershot]]? Categorizing MPs by party should be sufficient on its own. Prominent MPs will have more useful specific categories for offices held and the like. [[User:Calsicol|Calsicol]] 13:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename all''' as proposed, don't delete. It has been seriously contended that women MPs behave in several ways different to male MPs. Whether or not this is true it does justify the existence of separate categories. [http://www.revolts.co.uk The most recent discussion] of this came as recently as this week. [[User:Fys|Fys]]. &#147;[[User:Fys|Ta]] [[Special:Contributions/Fys|fys]] [[User talk:Fys|aym]]&#148;. 16:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' as much for being by ___location of constituency as by gender. British MPs often don't sit for local seats. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 20:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
**Er, you what? They all sit for local constituencies. What on earth do you mean? [[User:Fys|Fys]]. &#147;[[User:Fys|Ta]] [[Special:Contributions/Fys|fys]] [[User talk:Fys|aym]]&#148;. 22:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
***I think that may been "do not sit for constituencies where they are local", which may or may not be true, but certainly the home nation borders aren't crossed so much. [[User:Morwen|Morwen]] - [[User_talk:Morwen|Talk]] 10:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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====Category:Current British MPs====
====Category:British MPs by political party====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''close as duplicate nomination'''. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 12:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 
*[[:Category:Current British MPs]] to [[:Category:Current members of the United Kingdom Parliament]]
*[[:Category:British MPs by political party]] to [[:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament by political party]]
:See also: [[Category talk:British MPs]] and [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 5#Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from English constituencies|This related CfR]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 
*'''Rename''' as nominator. Opposing the use of [[MP]], as ambiguous. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 11:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:*<s>This comment was based on the first three categories only. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 18:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)</s>
*<s>This really needs to be three separate discussions.</s> '''Support''' renaming [[:Category:Current British MPs]]. '''Support''' renaming [[:Category:British MPs by political party]]. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 18:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:*Split the nom, as requested, and struck out split-related comments. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 21:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - it's too long to type that phrase out. What's wrong with the shorter category name? [[User:JROBBO|JROBBO]] 04:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Procedural comment''': This nomination bypasses a pre-existing and live discussion at [[Category_talk:British_MPs#Renaming_subcategories_after_restructuring|category talk]], and neither includes the options preferred at that discussion nor includes any explanation of or direct link to their rationale. I asked for this nonination to be withdrawn by the nominator ([[User:Jc37]]) to allow a new CFD with all the options and explanations laid out, but sadly Jc37 has rejected that request, and expressed a preference for admin involvement. I have therefore posted a [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27 noticeboard/Incidents#One_CFD_withdrawn_needs_closing.2C_other_CFDs_apparent_bad_faith_by_User:Jc37|requst to WP:ANI for this nomination to be closed as a bad faith nomination]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 
:However, I do not want to prejudge the outcome of ANI, so I now nominate the categories according to the proposals orginally made at [[Category_talk:British_MPs#Renaming_subcategories_after_restructuring|category talk]]:
:*{{cl|Current British MPs}} to {{cl|Current UK MPs}}
:*oppose move of {{cl|British MPs by political party}}
 
:There are several reasons for this:
:#Consistency: the subcategories of {{cl|British MPs by political party}} were orginally of the format {{cl|MPs of the 49th UK Parliament (1983-1987)}}, but this was [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 August 14#category:MPs_of_the_United_Kingdom_House_of_Commons.2C_by_Parliament_and_subcategories|widely criticised at CFD in August]] as being far too long, and the alternative format {{cl|UK MPs 1983-1987}} was preferred. The consensus at [[Category_talk:British_MPs#Renaming_subcategories_after_restructuring|category talk]] has been to move towards this shorterformat, and to be consistent. More consistent formats for categry names are more easily remembered by editors.
:#Accuracy: The use of the term "British" MPs can be used to include members of he United Kingdom parliament since 1901, the [[Parliament of Great Britain]] (1707-1800), the [[Parliament of England]] (to 1707), the pre-1707 Scottish Parliament, the pre-1800 Irish Parliament, the 1922-72 Northern Irish Parliament at Stormont, and the current Scottish Parliaments (though members here are usually known as MSPs). "Current British MPs" is therefore confusing: "Current UK MPs" is more precise.
:#{{cl|British MPs by political party}} spans several Parlaiments: for example, currently the LibDems, Conservatives, Labour and the SNP are all represented both in the UK Parlaiment and in the SCottish Parlaiment. The Whigs were repesented in both the UK Parliament and its predecessors; so while there might be a case for subcategorising {{cl|British MPs by political party}}, renaming it would be create inaccuracies. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 
*'''Oppose'''. Too long, unmemorable, unwieldy and nothing wrong with [[MP]] as stated elsewhere. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 17:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per User:Kittybrewster and User:JROBBO <span style="color:darkgreen">~~ [[User:Phoe|<span style="color:darkgreen">Phoe</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Phoe|<span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkgreen">talk</span>]]</sub> 17:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC) ~~ </span>
*'''Oppose''', the proposed renames do not equate to the categories they are intended to replace, perhaps due to a lack of familiarity with British politics. We have a Parliament, to which The Queen, members of the upper house, the House of Lords, and the lower house, the House of Commons, all belong. However, the phrase MP only ever applies to members of the lower house, the commons. If you wish to expand the abbreviation, you must expand it to House of Commons, not Parliament. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 20:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:* I am not opposed to the suggestion about the House of Commons, if it's true. Can you provide some references? Perhaps what you are suggesting is: "...elected members..."? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::*No, I am not suggesting elected members, since we have elected members in the House of Lords. As to the truth of what I say, at your fingertips is a [[Parliament|research tool]], might I suggest you use it? If you require further reading, try [http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/system.cfm] and [http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9058522/Parliament]. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]]</small> 14:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:::* Thank you for the "further reading". I tend to try to avoid using Wikipedia as a primary reference, especially in XfD discussions. (For example, [[Parliament]] doesn't seem to have any references that I noticed.) However, after doing some checking, I found [http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/members/mps.cfm this site]. It makes clear that "MP" is an abbreviation for "Members of Parliament". If it's what they call themselves, and it's interchangeable with "MP", then we should expand the abbreviation. However, I'd like your thoughts on this, as I may have missed something. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 07:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per BrownHairedGirl. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 02:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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==== Category:Visegrád Group ====
{{lc|Visegrád Group}}<br/>
Created only this summer, subj. is a rather loose and passive association: the only content can be 4 member states plus the main stub, [[Template:Visegrád Group]] at their end does the same service without creating problems in category tree (see category's talk). [[User:Malyctenar|Malyctenar]] 11:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:'''Delete'''. Having the template should suffice. [[User:Appleseed|Appleseed]] ([[User talk:Appleseed|Talk]]) 05:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' Doesn't seem to be a very important characteristic. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 09:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
: Delete all... of what? Is there something else other than the category that is being voted on? [[User:Appleseed|Appleseed]] ([[User talk:Appleseed|Talk]]) 18:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Arbustoo|Arbusto]] 06:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' (the template as well). Unsuccessful from the beginning - the countries struggled with accession to the EU and had no interest in a bloc of beggars. Currently reduced to a zombie useful only to funnel grants to NGOs (5 mil. Euro in 2007 <sup>[http://neziskovky.cz/cz/fakta/zpravodajstvi/celorepublikove-akce/2888.html]</sup>). There will be nothing else than the single article. [[User:Pavel Vozenilek|Pavel Vozenilek]] 21:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:True crime writers ====
[[:Category:True crime writers]] into [[:Category:Non-fiction crime writers]]
*'''Merge''', "True crime" is a sensationalist tabloid term. Merge into the more encyclopedic and accurate [[:category:Non-fiction crime writers]] and '''keep as redirect'''. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 07:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*While [[True crime (genre)|true crime]] is a recognized term for a particular genre of writing, one that is included by, but not synonymous with, "non-fiction crime writing," the distinction is perhaps too inobvious for purposes of the category system, and "Category:True crime writing" is a redirect to [[:Category:Crime books]] (of which [[:Category:Non-fiction crime books]] is a subcategory). So '''support merge'''. [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]] 15:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Pegship|Pegship]] 01:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 09:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]]'s comments above. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Athletes from Pittsburgh ====
[[:Category:Athletes from Pittsburgh]] to [[:Category:Sportspeople from Pittsburgh]]
*'''Rename''', for global clarity. This category is not restricted to track and field athletes, as non-Americans would assume. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 07:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' - I was unaware of the typical name for such a category. Is there a naming conventions page for categories? --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] (<big>[[User talk:ChrisGriswold|<span style="color:red">☎</span>]][[Special:Contributions/ChrisGriswold|<span style="color:black">☓</span>]]</big>) 08:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
**Start with ''[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)]]'', big categories will often have their own comventions as well, such as ''[[:Category:Films by director]]''. -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|ProveIt]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 14:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename'''.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 04:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Professional athletes who wrestled professionally ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 09:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 
[[:Category:Professional athletes who wrestled professionally]] to [[:Category:Professional sportspeople who wrestled professionally]]
*'''Rename''', in line with usual Wikipedia usage. Outside the U.S. this appears to refer to track and field athletes only. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 07:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''', though it might well be better as a list.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 04:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*Athlete/sportspeople whatever aside, I think a list might be better to explain it as well. It smacks of trivia, like actors who became politicians. [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]] 04:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete/listify''', trivia. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' and '''listify'''. The information is more suited to a list. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 20:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - "professional(ly)" would seem at first glance to be redundant here. Especially since there is a rather dramatic difference between wrestling as a sport, and the [[WWE]] : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per my (and others') comments above. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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==== WW II divisions ====
*[[:Category:Australian World War II divisions]] to [[:Category:Divisions of Australia in World War II]]
*[[:Category:British World War II divisions]] to [[:Category:Divisions of the United Kingdom in World War II]]
*[[:Category:Indian World War II divisions]] to [[:Category:Divisions of India in World War II]]
 
IAW the naming conventions as per discussion at WPMILHIST.--[[User:Oldwildbill|Oldwildbill]] 18:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' This renaming falls in line with the Divisions of Foo format that has been reached with consenseous within the WP Military History and several renaming categories have already been approved- i.e. [[:Category:Divisions of Australia in World War I]], [[:Category:Divisions of the United Kingdom in World War I]], etc.--[[User:Oldwildbill|Oldwildbill]] 21:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 
*Object not a "Speedy criteria" rename --[[User:Philip Baird Shearer|Philip Baird Shearer]] 23:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Object''' Sounds like a category for either temporary administrative subdivisions or social strife. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 14:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' for clarity [[:Category:Divisions of the Australian Army in World War II]] and similar. The US has [[:Category:World War II divisions of the United States]], which isn't exactly clear itself, but there are elsewhere most cats are of the form "Divisions of the United States Army". --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 07:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom; this is consistent with the new naming convention of [[:Category:Divisions by country]], [[:Category:Divisions by war]], etc. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 14:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Object'''. As Merchbow says, it sounds like geographical or administrative divisions. Maybe "British army divisions of World War II" and the like might be better? [[User:LordAmeth|LordAmeth]] 16:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*:Well, if you prefer to have "army" in there, it would be [[:Category:Divisions of the British Army in World War II]]; but one of the main points of the new naming convention is to do away with using adjective forms for countries in these categories, so "British" doesn't really work. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 19:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to get rid of adjectival forms, dab "division" if people really find that necessary. I'd be OK with "divisions of <country>", "divisions of <service>", or "military divisions of <country>", myself. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 23:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Object''', as per LordAmeth and Merchbow. That particular wording will only create even more confusion. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 02:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC).
 
==== Category:Television anchors by city ====
[[:Category:Television anchors by city]] to [[:Category:American television anchors by city]]
*'''Rename''', This is an American category so the name should say so. In the (fairly unlikely) event that categories for non-US cities are created this can be recreated as a parent category at that point. [[User:Metthurst|Metthurst]] 05:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as an unnecessary restriction. The category may only include Americans at the moment, but there's no reason it couldn't include others, and the category isn't large enough to require further division. - [[User:EurekaLott|EurekaLott]] 18:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. Which other countries do you think might have such a category? given that is not normal internationally to have separate "anchors" in each city. In which other countries is the term "television anchor" even used? Maybe Canada, but probably nowhere else. [[User:Merchbow|Merchbow]] 18:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. How does this fit in with [[television presenter]]? [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 23:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 09:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' unless someone shows another country that also does this a lot. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
**Erm, isn't that an argument for renaming? [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 01:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
***I see no need to subcategorize "TV anchors by city" by country if there's only one country that uses TV anchors by city. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 10:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*The current parent is [[:Category:American television journalists]], so this and its subcategories should be renamed appropriately. These are apparently the only "television anchor" categories. [[:Category:American broadcast news analysts]] is also a parent, but is underpopulated and apparently a disfavored copy of [[:Category:American television journalists]] that should probably be merged there. [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]] 17:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
**By this I meant to point out that [[:Category:American television journalists by city]] might be a better name than "television anchor," to match the other relevant categories.
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 01:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom to prevent addition of inappropriate categories, ie. non-U.S. subcategories to a category that is itself a subcategory of U.S. subcategories. [[User:Nonomy|Nonomy]] 20:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Arbustoo|Arbusto]] 06:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per the discussion above, and noting that the category system is not a tree, and so the disambiguation would appear to be required. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. This area still needs some work so a few other nominations might appear. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 20:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Military drugs ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 09:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 
{{lc|Military drugs}}<br/>
'''Delete''', Well intentioned, but poorly thought out category. Every drug for every purpose may find use in military medicine. There are NO drugs that are unique to military medicine. Not stimulants. Not vaccines. Not anabolic steroids. Not even nerve agent antidote. All of these are used by nonmilitary healthcare providers. Apparently all that has to be done to put a drug in this category is cite a source stating that some military force has used it. This category is of little practical relevance, and completely unmanageable if carried out to its fullest logical extension. [[User:Give Peace A Chance|Give Peace A Chance]] 03:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Metthurst|Metthurst]] 05:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. It's the first google result for [http://www.google.com/search?q=military.drugs military drugs], and the majority of the results refer to drug abuse within the military, drug control activities of the military, and bioweapons. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 07:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Arbustoo|Arbusto]] 06:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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==== Category:Caciques of El Salvador ====
{{lc|Caciques of El Salvador}}<br/>
'''Delete.''' To judge from the circumstances of its creation, and its solitary entry, this category is intended for indigenous rulers/figures from the pre-Columbian/conquest era history of the region (now embraced by the modern country). A couple of problems with this category, however- (1) 'El Salvador' as a nation/concept did not exist in this era, so its use for this category is anachronistic. (2) 'Cacique' is a conquest-era spanish adoption of a title meaning "ruler" or "chieftain", which was in some general use at that time but actually comes from the indigenous Caribbean languages, and not those of this region (in particular, not Pipil/Nawat), and so its use is out-of-place here. Delete this category, the alternative ones now assigned to its sole entry should be sufficient.[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>[[User talk:CJLL Wright|<small>''TALK''</small>]] 02:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Nonomy|Nonomy]] 20:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. It is as to label Julius Caesar as an Italian or Tecumseh as an American. [[User:Pavel Vozenilek|Pavel Vozenilek]] 22:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Canadian military formations ====
[[:Category:Canadian military formations]] into [[:Category:Military units and formations of Canada]]
*'''Merge''', old category name has been deprecated by the new naming convention. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 00:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' as stated above.--[[User:Oldwildbill|Oldwildbill]] 21:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 20:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 
====[[:Category:Faculty of the State University of New York]]====
:'''''Rename''' to [[:Category:State University of New York faculty]], convention of [[:Category:Faculty by university in the United States]].'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|ProveIt]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 00:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Arbustoo|Arbusto]] 06:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 
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