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==== Category:Prince-Bishops of the Holy Roman Empire ====
[[File:*Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Propose renamingRelisted''', see [[Wikipedia:CategoryCategories for discussion/Log/2019 March 9%23Category:Prince-Bishops of the Holy Roman Empire]]<!-- to [[Template:Category:Prince-BishopsCfd inrelisted the Holy Roman Empire]]-->
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Prince-Bishops of Switzerland]] to [[:Category:Prince-Bishops in Switzerland]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''rename''' for clarification, the current names may wrongly suggest that the entire Holy Roman Empire, and entire Switzerland, were a prince-bishopric. Perhaps the parent categories "Prince-bishoprics of" should also be nominated to "Prince-bishoprics in" but that is probably less needed. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' for the first since the Prince-bishoprics were "of" the Empire, not just sited "in" the Empire. Would oppose changes to the parent categories "Prince-bishoprics of" since the same potential for confusion does not arise. Support the second proposal. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 10:05, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' target is a better form.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 03:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Strong opposition'''. As [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] indicates, the Prince-Bishops were "of" the Empire, i.e., their secular jurisdictions were (at least nominally) granted by the Emperor, they were not merely located in the Empire, and re-naming the category would obscure this fact. Even stipulating that the potential confusion cited here exists, if it were a sufficiently widespread problem to warrant comment, it would be easy to dispel. This same objection applies to the parent category idea. With regards to Switzerland, "of Switzerland" is a perfectly valid construction; "of Switzerland" can be read synonymously with "Swiss," and they were Swiss simply by virtue of having been located in Switzerland. Furthermore, it would not be universally valid to refer to these ecclesiastical principalities as being "in Switzerland;" the [[Prince-Bishopric of Basel]] had lost its Swiss territories prior to mediatization, and thus, after 1792, was no longer "in Switzerland" in any meaningful sense. --[[User:MasqueOfTheRedDeath|Masque]] ([[User talk:MasqueOfTheRedDeath|talk]]) 15:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. If a reader assumes that some prince-bishops being of the Holy Roman Empire implies the entire Holy Roman Empire was assigned to prince-bishops, that is their own logical mistake. I don't think the category suggests it. Meanwhile, the proposed rename target, while not necessarily grammatically incorrect, certainly flies in the face of typical grammatical convention. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 05:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Festivals in Former Yugoslavia ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''relisted''' at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_March_4#Category:Festivals_in_Former_Yugoslavia]]. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 05:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Festivals in Former Yugoslavia}}<br />
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Electronic music festivals in Former Yugoslavia}}<br />
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* '''Merge and rename respectively''' to [[:Category:Festivals in Yugoslavia]] and [[:Category:Electronic music festivals in Yugoslavia]]. We do not add "former" to former countries' categories. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
:* And agree with SportingFlyer that the category requires some purging. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:55, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
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