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| text = <center><big>'''The scope of this case is the administrative conduct of [[User:Rama]]. Therefore, anything to do with the content dispute shall be omitted from this case. If the scope is overran, clerks will remove the content. -- [[User talk:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b></span>]] <small>[[User:DeltaQuad|(aka DQ)]]</small> 00:13, 3 May 2019 (UTC)</big></center>

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=== Re Fae ===

* I am not convinced that [[User:FaeFæ]] is acting as the lawyer chosen by [[User:Rama]]... or even that Fae's words are endorsed by Rama.

* The following [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=894673918]] has been written by Rama, here and not by some op-ed somewhere else.

* Asserting there were [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase&type=revision&diff=895131604&oldid=895099217 nearly 30 references by solid institutions, US Navy, ONRL...]] is simply shameful. These 25 references were listed and commented at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Clarice_Phelps_(2nd_nomination) AfD2]], refer to the corresponding [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clarice_Phelps&oldid=890845280 article]]. The Navy documents (7,8) don't ever mention Phelps. The ORNL documents about Te237 discovery (10,13,15,16) don't ever mention Phelps, and she is not on the photo of the team of 50 credited of the work at ORNL. The story is then enriched by 11 PR docs emitted in a PR context (75th anniversary, YMCA, outreach) 14,18,19,06,11,22,21,20,24,23,25 where Phelps is only one of the many... and the focus is not Te297. Therefore we don't have 30 solid references, but a fake reference list, in the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Wikicology/Evidence&oldid=720085693 Wikicology]] style. Page numbers (or time for a video) are never given: characteristic behavior. [[WP:Verifiability]] must remain the basis of everything here, and an admin is not supposed to go against this policy.

* Following the chain ref21(05:31) -> ref06 (Phelps) -> laziness+inventivity -> shouting out of loud when caught red handed, leads to a good resume of this hoax. [[User:Pldx1|Pldx1]] ([[User talk:Pldx1|talk]]) 13:28, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

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==={{reply|GerardM}}===

Please note {{tq|Evidence must include links}}. Your "evidence", such as it is, does not and may be removed. It could, therefore, also be seen "as an example of unacceptable behaviour"; as you yourself point out, "making accusations is not a zero sum game"... [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SerialNumber''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 10:39, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

*{{reply|CyrilleDunant}} Repeatedly stating that I "threatened" Rama with Arbcom is an [[WP:ASPERSION|aspersion]] which you should withdraw; I merely told them—twice—the likely unintended consequence of their actions as I would any inexperienced editor. It is a shame, but maybe unsurprising in the circumstances, that while complaining of a supposed lack of [[WP:AGF|good faith]] being shown to Rama here, you show as much to me. I would have thought it was clear (as it was to me at the time) that—far from being a threat—this was useful and perhaps even beneficial advice; [[special:diff/894675925|this diff]] rather suggests it should have been heeded, does it not...? [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SerialNumber''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 14:38, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

==Evidence presented by Hydronium Hydroxide==

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:* <u>08:51: Rama responds at length in their first edit since 07:42 confirming that restoration to mainspace was and remains their intention</u>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rama&oldid=894671267]

:* '''08:53 to 09:25: Editors {{noping|Ymblanter}}, {{noping|Mr_rnddude}} (who also recommends keeping the article), {{noping|Lectonar}} (implicitly), and {{noping|Icewhiz}} affirm Rama's actions as Arbcom-worthy.'''

:* 09:03: {{noping|FaeFæ}} contests the speedy deletion[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Clarice_Phelps&oldid=894671862]

:* <u>09:25: Rama responds at WP:ANI in their first post since 08:51 again confirming that restoration to mainspace was and remains their intention</u>

:* '''09:32: {{noping|Fram}} recommends that Rama re-delete the article to avoid Arbcom, and use DRV instead'''