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==== Category:Automatically maintained portals with listed maintainers ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 09:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Automatically maintained portals with listed maintainers}}<br />

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' There is no such thing as an automatically maintained portal. This is a misleading category [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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::We have proven that no portal is automatically maintained. There are portals that automatically generate errors. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:30, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

* The fact that "someone has said they will watch" sounds utterly vague. Do they really watch? What if that someone decides to quit Wikipedia editing? [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:20, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Keep''', these categories are an important part of managing and maintaining portals and directing the efforts of the WikiProject. [[User:Waggers|<b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b style="color:#728">s</b>]][[User talk:Waggers|<small style="color:#080">''TALK''</small>]] 08:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:Portals with titles not starting with a proper noun ====

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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' A useless category. Applied to mainspace this would be a huge collection. The inverse of this category "subjects starting with a proper noun" would help us indetify inappropriately narrow topics. I can't see any tracking benefit to this category though. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' - this category may have been part of an (unsuccesfull) attempt to prevent portals saying things like "[[Portal:Supermarket|Do you have a question about Supermarket that you can't find the answer to?]]". Note: It currently contains things such as [[Portal:Australian rules football]]. <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b>^{[[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]} 12:02, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

==== Category:Non-standard portal pages ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 09:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Non-standard portal pages}}<br />

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' There is no such thing as a "standard" portal page. These just belong in [[:Category:All portals]] (which is comprehensive) and other specific categories under [[:Category:Portals]] (which is way way out of date) [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:49, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

:'''Comment''': A "Standard" portal page is a one-page or automatically created portal. This category is largely for portals that have an unusual layout, like [[Portal:Evangelical Christianity]]. --<span style="text-shadow:#FFD700 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:Auric|<span style="color: #FC3700;">'''Auric'''</span>]] [[User talk:Auric|<span style="color: #0C0F00;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 14:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' this category is used so that if someone does a maintenance run for "standard" portals, they don't touch these "non-standard" portals which could be negatively affected if "painted with the same brush". [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d01e1e">'''Jazz'''</i>]] 🎷 ^{''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contributions/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''} 19:14, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

:* What kind of maintenance run? Can you point to when this happened for the last time? [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:21, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' per Dreamy Jazz [[User:Waggers|<b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b style="color:#728">s</b>]][[User talk:Waggers|<small style="color:#080">''TALK''</small>]] 08:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:Historical Portal pages ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 14:27, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Historical Portal pages]] to [[:Category:Portal project pages marked historical]]

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Much clearer more accurate name. Also gets the name to start with Portal like others in this category tree [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:46, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

*<s>'''Oppose''' the word "project" is misleading. No opposition to [[:Category:Portal pages marked historical]]. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 12:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)</s>

::The word "project" is not misleading as the pages in this category (at least those I've checked) are ''talk pages'' containing <nowiki>{{WikiProject Portals|historical=y}}</nowiki>. <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b>^{[[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]} 12:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

::It's for portal project pages not portals. That is what is misleading about the name. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:29, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:::Ah, I see that now. !vote struck. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 15:39, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Support''' Seems reasonable [[User:Waggers|<b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b style="color:#728">s</b>]][[User talk:Waggers|<small style="color:#080">''TALK''</small>]] 08:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:All portals with triaged subpages ====

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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' To make start with Portal like most cats at [[:Category:Portal pages]] amd because this is far from a complete category. Also to match the subcats names. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:43, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

==== Category:Formerly curated portals that are presently automated ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''speedy delete''' (G7). [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 10:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Formerly curated portals that are presently automated]] to [[:Category:Portals converted to single pages]]

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' A more honest and shorter name for this useful category. Curated suggests these pages were maintained when many were not maintained at all. Starting with the word Portals like most [[:Category:Portal pages]] helps us find the cat easier [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:30, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I support the idea but the proposed new name is misleading too. "Automated" doesn't necessarily mean "single page" - several pages use the new automation based templates but still use subpages (as opposed to navboxes or inline lists of articles) to manage the list of selected articles etc. It's certainly my preferred approach to list selected articles on a subpage rather than on the main portal page as it makes maintenance of the list much easier, so most of the portals I look after are automated but not single-page. [[User:Waggers|<b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b style="color:#728">s</b>]][[User talk:Waggers|<small style="color:#080">''TALK''</small>]] 09:01, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:2000 Tennis Masters Cup ====

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:'''OPTION A:'''

:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:2000 Tennis Masters Cup]] to [[:Category:2000 Tennis Masters Cup and ATP Tour World Championships]]

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:2001 Tennis Masters Cup‎]] and [[:Category:2001 Touchtel ATP World Doubles Challenge Cup‎]] to [[:Category:2001 Tennis Masters Cup‎ and Touchtel ATP World Doubles Challenge Cup‎]]

:Or

:'''OPTION B:'''

:* '''Propose keeping''' [[:Category:2000 Tennis Masters Cup]]

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:2001 Touchtel ATP World Doubles Challenge Cup‎]] to [[:Category:2001 Tennis Masters Cup‎]]

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The first part of Option A is a procedural nomination, as [[Special:Contributions/95.134.201.207|95.134.201.207]] tagged the page with this edit summary: "see main article, content is about two similar tournaments, not only one". Indeed, the main article is [[2000 Tennis Masters Cup and ATP Tour World Championships]], those being the names of the Singles and Doubles events. I added 2001 to make a similar long name, as it currently has two categories.

:From 1990 to 1999, the name within [[:Category:ATP Finals]] was (e.g.) {{c|1999 ATP Tour World Championships}}. From 2001 to 2008, there is simply {{c|2002 Tennis Masters Cup}}. Option A would produce one-off double-barrelled names for 2000 and 2001, which would mean that {{tl|Navseasoncats}} or similar templates would not link to either year from the preceding or succeeding years' categories.

:I therefore prefer '''option B''', just using one name to cover both events, on the [[KISS principle]] (even though love means nothing in tennis). – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 21:00, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

==== Category:Comicbooks storylines used for film adaptations ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:38, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Comicbooks storylines used for film adaptations]] to [[:Category:Comics adapted into films]]

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Duplicate of existing {{cl|Comics adapted into films}}, note that {{cl|Comic books}} is a redirect to {{cl|Comics}} [[User:Le Deluge|Le Deluge]] ([[User talk:Le Deluge|talk]]) 20:35, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Support''' per nom. --[[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] ([[User talk:Muhandes|talk]]) 10:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:WikiProject Mount Juliet, Tennessee ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 05:56, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|WikiProject Mount Juliet, Tennessee}}<br />

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete''' Userfied WikiProject should not have a Project-space category. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 17:50, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per nominator.[[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 22:08, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per nominator. Why have such an amazing ly narrow Wikiproject? Population: 34,726 means at best a handful of oeople who might be interested. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 23:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:Findlay Prep alumni ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Findlay Prep alumni}}<br />

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[Findlay Prep]] is not a school. It is a basketball team composed of high schoolers. '''^{[[User:Babymissfortune|<span style="color:#552582;">Baby</span>]][[User talk:Babymissfortune|<span style="color:#061922;">miss</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Babymissfortune|<span style="color:#FDB927;">fortune</span>]]}''' 16:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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*'''Keep''' Yes, it’s a basketball factory but the kids study and get valid diplomas like any other high school. And there are lots of notable alumni with room for the category to grow. Opposed to adding “players” as it’s unnecessary and we don’t want to set the precedent that players on high school teams have athletic participation categories. Not opposed to folding into “Henderson School alumni” if that exists. [[User:Rikster2|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2|talk]]) 13:04, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' You have to be a member of the Findlay Prep basketball team to attend Henderson International, and Findlay Prep is the more widely known of the 2 entities, so I believe keeping the title as it currently is would be the best course of action here. Best, [[User:GPL93|GPL93]] ([[User_talk:GPL93|talk]]) 13:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:Jewish critics of Islam ====

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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Jewish critics of Islam}}<br />

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Former Muslim critics of Islam}}<br />

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Christian critics of Islam}}<br />

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Hindu critics of Islam}}<br />

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Buddhist critics of Islam}}<br />

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Secular critics of Islam}}<br />

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Setting up religious critics of x religion raises too many issues about sources, BLP etc for me. I see the same editor created [[:Category:Former Muslim critics of Islam ]], [[:Category:Christian critics of Islam]]. [[: Category:Hindu critics of Islam]]. [[:Category:Jewish critics of Islam]] and [[:Category:Buddhist critics of Islam]]. I haven't done an exhaustive check but I'm not finding categories for Christian critics of.. or Islamic/Muslim critics of... [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 09:42, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Keep''': the [[:Category:Critics of Islam]] is currently too large, overly broad and difficult to navigate otherwise, justifying the existence of sub-categories dealing with critics of Islam from various different perspectives. It doesn't make much sense, for example, to have [[John of Damascus]] (a Christian), [[Richard Dawkins]] (a Secularist) and [[Bal Thackeray]] (a Hindu ultra-nationalist) all lumped together in one category, as they cite completely different reasons for their criticisms. So disambiguation is more useful for the reader and makes sense. [[User:Ishbiliyya|Ishbiliyya]] ([[User talk:Ishbiliyya|talk]]) 13:39, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Delete all'''. This division does not make particular sense to me. The overlaps between these groups in this matter far exceed their differences, and the categories themselves will inevitably attract [[WP:BLP]] violations: witness this sample of erroneous additions by the category creator: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nick_Cohen&type=revision&diff=891452943&oldid=891227431][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Buckby&action=history][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Coren&type=revision&diff=891453077&oldid=862550686][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Steyn&type=revision&diff=891461532&oldid=884875650] [[:Category:Critics of Christianity]], [[:Category:Critics of Judaism]] etc. aren't divided this way. In fact, like Doug Weller, I can't find any other categories like these. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg]] ^{<small>[[User talk:Jayjg|<span style="color: DarkGreen;">(talk)</span>]]</small>} 15:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

::There are over 350 articles in the Critics of Islam category and only 16 in the Critics of Judaism category, while the latter could indeed be brought inline with this approach (I'm not opposed to that), there are probably not enough articles in it for it to be as useful. [[User:Ishbiliyya|Ishbiliyya]] ([[User talk:Ishbiliyya|talk]]) 17:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Delete all''' There are many basis to categorize critics of Islam but they all have problems. In the case of Jewish critics, the demographic group includes both religious and secular critics. The same is true for former Muslims, some who are critical from a religious perspective and others from a secular perspective. There are critics within Islam by sect, etc. I don't see the categories helpful to navigate the critics. We have articles on criticism of Islam and a category for the criticism. This seems sufficient. [[User:Jason from nyc|Jason from nyc]] ([[User talk:Jason from nyc|talk]]) 16:44, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Keep''': these are valid subdivisions of the category:Critics of Islam. Especially the Category:Former Muslim critics of Islam (which might require a rephrasing just for clarity, perhaps 'Former Muslims who criticise Islam'? Otherwise it suggests that these people criticised Islam back in the day when they were still Muslims themselves, but not necessarily after leaving Islam) has merit. Their lines of argument are often rather different from e.g. Christian critics of Islam, who often frame this debate in terms of 'Christian countries versus Islamic countries' and the need for immigration to from the latter to the former to stop and close the borders, whereas most ex-Muslims (many of whom are themselves migrants/refugees from Muslim-majority countries to (formerly) Christian-majority countries) regard this as unacceptable xenophobia, generalisations and a lack of humanitarianism. The kind of criticism you get from former members of a religion, who experienced it themselves, will always provide a different perspective than the criticism from outsiders. I think this is a useful distinction that Wikipedia should make. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 07:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' - I think the keep !votes of Ishbiliyya and Nederlandse Leeuw highlight the different reasons why individuals or movements might be critics of Islam, whether it for dogmatic, social, economic, cultural reasons etc. However at the same time I cannot support the keeping of these categories, namely because for many individuals their religious/spiritual/ideological positions are often private and/or do not neatly fit into one category, for example a former Muslim could be secular/irreligious such as [[Afshin Ellian]] or [[Ayaan Hirsi Ali]], or could belong to another religion such as [[Nabeel Qureshi (author)]] or [[Ali Sina (activist)]]. In these articles it would take two seperate categories to describe the same thing that one category did adequately. Also I am a bit hesitant over the "X critics of Y", as if for example the fact that an indidual is Hindu/Buddhist/Christian/Sikh etc. inavertly make it seem that their criticism is more/less valid than an irreligious/atheist/agnostic/secular individual? Lastley Islam like all religions and ideologies is far from homogeneous, there are a variety of movements and denominations within Islam, some of which are critics of each other. For example [[Ulil Abshar Abdalla]] often criticizes conservatic Muslim stances in Indonesia, and many conservative Muslims criticize him, so are they [[:Category:Muslim critics of Islam]]? I just see a can of worms being opened here that will lead to edit wars, sorry for the block of text [[User:Inter&#38;anthro|Inter&#38;anthro]] ([[User talk:Inter&#38;anthro|talk]]) 02:44, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Merge''' to [[:Category:Critics of Islam]], this type of categorization easily becomes too subjective. Many critics in this tree are Europeans and Americans and it is often unclear whether they should be classified as Christian or secular. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:04, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

==== Category:Luxdorph family ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' unless and until more articles are created about family members. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 08:32, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Luxdorph family}}<br />

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:SMALLCAT]]: low probability of growing beyond a single member. [[User:UnitedStatesian|UnitedStatesian]] ([[User talk:UnitedStatesian|talk]]) 01:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

*'''Comment''':{{hidden ping|UnitedStatesian}} the category now holds 3 pages ([[Bolle Luxdorph]], [[Bolle Willum Luxdorph]], [[Rosengaard]]). – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 09:10, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

**For the record, at the closure date it also holds [[Mørup]] and [[Peder Luxdorph]].

* '''Keep''' See other small subcats in [[:Category:Danish families]] [[User:Gjs238|Gjs238]] ([[User talk:Gjs238|talk]]) 13:12, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

:: Created by the same editor as this one. [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 17:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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*'''Delete'''. This is currently misuse of the category system. If, for example, a house such as [[Mørup]] is connected with a notable person then that relationship should be covered by (referenced) article text (including links); categorization should be (just) grouping the house with other houses (i.e. articles about similar topics). <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b>^{[[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]} 11:44, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:Decibel Magazine Hall of Fame inductees ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete both'''. Lists of the current contents of the categories are available at [[Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 9]] if needed. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 22:18, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Decibel Magazine Hall of Fame inductees]]

:* '''Propose deleting/listifying''' [[:Category:Rock Sound Hall of Fame inductees]]

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:PERFCAT]] and [[WP:DEFINING]]

:[[Decibel (magazine)]] is based in Philadelphia and covers heavy metal music while [[Rock Sound]] magazine is based in London and covers rock. Neither of categories are a traditional [[hall of fame]] so they don't represent a museum or a formal award ceremony. Rather, both publications have a re-occuring throwback article called "Hall of Fame" which discusses the influence of a classic album in their respective genre. When I clicked through these articles, I didn't see any other categories about having articles written about the albums which is probably a good thing since that would lead to immense category clutter. Music magazines write a ''lot'' of articles about music; it's what they do. These categories just don't seem defining. (The contents of the Rock Sound HOF are already listified [[Rock Sound#Hall of Fame/Throwback|here in the main article]] while the Decibel HOF list was deleted as [[WP:LISTCRUFT]] in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decibel_(magazine)&diff=414144233&oldid=412066741 this edit] after [[Talk:Decibel (magazine)#hall of fame?|this discussion]].) - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 00:09, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''DElete''' -- These seem to be OCAWARD categories: '''listify''' if necessary. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:06, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' overcategorization by award.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 22:08, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:Equestrian museums ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. {{ping|RevelationDirect}} you may want to consider some other course of action. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 08:37, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Propose Renaming''' [[:Category:Equestrian museums]] to [[:Category:Equestrian museums and halls of fame]]

::* '''Propose Renaming''' [[:Category:Equestrian museums in the United States]] to [[:Category:Equestrian museums and halls of fame in the United States]]

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:: I'm definitely not intending to conflate horse racing with horse riding in general, just that it's a subtype. Currently, the entire [[:Category:Equestrian museums]] category is under [[:Category:Sports museums]] which may be something else to discuss. - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 02:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

:<small>'''Note''': This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse racing#Category:Equestrian museums has been nominated for discussion|WikiProject Horse racing]], [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Equine#Category:Equestrian museums has been nominated for discussion|WikiProject Equine]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Museums#Category:Equestrian museums has been nominated for discussion|WikiProject Museums]] – [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 02:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC)</small>

*'''Comment''' I just want to point out that the Category Equestrian museums in the United States looks like it was initially created as a sub-category of Museums in the United States by type. If you check that category, they are all uniform in ending with "in the United States". Changing the category name will make it odd man out in that parent category. Just a thought. [[User:dawnleelynn|<i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>]]^{[[User talk:dawnleelynn|(talk)]]} 02:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Museums:: inThe thetarget Unitedof Statesthe byAmerican type.rename Ifstill you check that category, they are all uniformends in ending with "...in the United States" though. Changing(Maybe theI categoryjust namemisunderstood willwhat makeyou it odd man out in that parent category. Just a thought.meant?) [[User:dawnleelynnRevelationDirect|<i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>RevelationDirect]]^{([[User talk:dawnleelynnRevelationDirect|(talk)]]}) 0211:5254, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

::: Oh yes, I see that now. My bad I did get confused. I had been looking at too many things last night on a long day. Carry on! [[User:dawnleelynn|<i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>]]^{[[User talk:dawnleelynn|(talk)]]} 16:12, 12 April 2019 (UTC) p.s. This is where I was looking actually: [[:Category:Equestrian museums in the United States]] If you look at that page, it says differently. "This category is being considered for renaming to Category:Equestrian museums and halls of fame." That is where I got the idea it was losing the tail end of the name. Just wanted to show I'm not completely out of it. [[User:dawnleelynn|<i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>]]^{[[User talk:dawnleelynn|(talk)]]} 17:29, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

:::: Oops, my fault! The CFD header has been fixed. [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 21:28, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

::::: Ok, glad it was just a small adjustment then. Thanks a bunch. [[User:dawnleelynn|<i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>]]^{[[User talk:dawnleelynn|(talk)]]} 00:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

*'''Keep all''' -- If there is a physical museum (e.g. at a race course) whether called a museum or a "hall of fame", we should have an article, which can be categorised in the present category. If there is no physical museum, there certainly should not be a subcat for it. France has one article - on a museum; UK has three, of which the [[Royal Mews]] does not come anywhere near a hall of fame. I suspect it is more a museum of carriages. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:13, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

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==== Union Virginia ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

: '''Propose merging''':

:* [[:Category:1861 establishments in Union Virginia]] to [[:Category:1861 establishments in Virginia]]

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* '''Merge''' per nom and Eric. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 17:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Bondegezou|Bondegezou]] ([[User talk:Bondegezou|talk]]) 09:42, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Merge''' per nom. There was only one Virginia even if the territory occupied by the opposing armies varied. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 15:08, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Merge''' per nom - aside from the considerations above, the purpose of categories is to help non-experts find stuff, so whilst some people like to micromanage the names I tend to emphasise consistency and predictability. Hence we have xxxx in France categories regardless of whether it should in theory be xxxx in the Kingdom of France at some points of history and eg xxxx in the French Republic at others. It makes it easier for people not expert in French history to use "France" categories - and also easier for navigation templates and other automatic processes. The benefits of that kind of thing far outweigh the slight reduction in historical precision.[[User:Le Deluge|Le Deluge]] ([[User talk:Le Deluge|talk]]) 12:41, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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