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===[[:Crystal (programming language)]]===▼
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The result was '''keep'''. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 08:07, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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Topic has not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, so it fails GNG [[User:Charmk|Charmk]] ([[User talk:Charmk|talk]]) 19:10, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Technology|list of Technology-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Charmk|Charmk]] ([[User talk:Charmk|talk]]) 19:13, 5 July 2019 (UTC)</small>
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software|list of Software-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 19:59, 5 July 2019 (UTC)</small>
<s>*'''Keep''' - Again not notable to the length it goes on but would be a nice stub. [[User:Coffeeluvr613|Coffeeluvr613]] ([[User talk:Coffeeluvr613|talk]]) 23:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC)</s> sock vote [[User:Charmk|Charmk]] ([[User talk:Charmk|talk]]) 09:13, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
* Suggesting ''speedy keep'' per [[User:Stifle]] at [[User talk:Charmk#User warning: Disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point]]. To properly determine the value and notability of these programming languages, we need experts in the specific application fields as well as language design and history. However, the many nominations of the same type at present do not allow careful research in the given time, so it's better to keep a weak article than to accidently lose a notable one just because someone was [[WP:POINTY]].
: --[[User:Matthiaspaul|Matthiaspaul]] ([[User talk:Matthiaspaul|talk]]) 16:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 07:49, 12 July 2019 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
* '''Keep'''; I think it's clear this is a valid AFD. I'd say it's a pretty bad sign when a page about a computer language that has no historical importance doesn't bring any one to actually defend it. However, doing the Google News search, CBR Online (link blocked?) has an overview, [https://sdtimes.com/softwaredev/sd-times-news-digest-google-acquires-looker-ionics-capacitor-1-0-release-and-crystal-0-29-0-released/ SDTimes] has several small pieces on Crystal updates, [https://www.infoworld.com/article/3112012/3-new-programming-languages-what-their-creators-say.html InfoWorld] has a couple articles that go into some detail on Crystal as part of roundup of new languages. Pragmatic Bookshelf published ''Programming Crystal'' (ISBN 9781680502862) by Simon St. Laurent and Ivo Balbaert, neither of whom are developers. It's not far, but it seems over the line.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Keep''' Crystal is niche, but not an esolang. It's been in active development for a number of years, accumulating 13558 stars on GitHub. There are currently [https://crystalshards.org/ 4605 libraries registered for it]. It's significantly more popular than e.g. [[Elm (programming language)|Elm]]. It's taught on [[Exercism|Exercism.io]]. It seems to be tracked on the TIOBE index. Describing the authors of ''Programming Crystal'' as not being developers appears to be false. As a programmer, it's hard to imagine the criteria by which one could reasonably exclude Crystal from Wikipedia. [[User:Tenebrous|Tenebrous]] ([[User talk:Tenebrous|talk]]) 04:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
** Wikipedia cares more about works published about the subject by third parties than usually any form of intrinsic notability. I wasn't referring to the authors of Programming Crystal as not being programmers, but rather as not being developers of Crystal, and thus independent of the subject. (In this set of DRs, there were specific mention of that, IIRC, that I was responding to.)--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 15:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
*** So what exactly is meant by, "To properly determine the value and notability of these programming languages, we need experts in the specific application fields as well as language design and history" if this is meant to exclude any form of intrinsic notability? [[User:Tenebrous|Tenebrous]] ([[User talk:Tenebrous|talk]]) 01:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
**** I don't know; maybe you should ask him?--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 17:21, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
* The article is weak regarding citations from reliable sources, but this can be improved. Sufficient notability should be provided by the sources already mentioned by [[User:Prosfilaes]]. Crystal was also featured in [[Linux Magazine]] ([https://www.linux-magazin.de/ausgaben/2016/03/crystal/]). It is supported by [[Travis CI]] ([https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/languages/crystal]) and [[CircleCI]] ([https://circleci.com/docs/2.0/language-crystal/]) and it's currently prominently featured on the [[Snappy (package manager)|Snapcraft store]] ([https://snapcraft.io/store]) which shows reception in the industry. There are also notable articles by various authors, for example on blogs of [[Twilio]] ([https://www.twilio.com/blog/send-sms-messages-crystal-html]), ''Codeship'' ([https://blog.codeship.com/an-introduction-to-crystal-fast-as-c-slick-as-ruby/], [https://blog.codeship.com/need-a-second-opinion-on-your-ruby-code-ask-crystal/], [https://blog.codeship.com/crystal-from-a-rubyists-perspective/]) and [[Bruce Perens]] ([https://perens.com/2018/04/19/learing-crystal-langauge-and-lucky-web-framework/], [https://perens.com/2018/07/01/dynamic-linking-of-shared-libraries-doesnt-make-sense-for-modern-languages-like-crystal/], [https://perens.com/2018/07/06/tiny-crystal-language-programs/]). ''Disclosure: I'm a member of the Crystal developer team.'' --[[User:$traight-$hoota|$traight-$hoota]] ([[User talk:$traight-$hoota|talk]]) 11:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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