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==== Category:Republika Srpska official football team ====
[[File:*Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Propose deletingRelisted''', {{lc|see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 16%23Category:Republika Srpska official football team}}]]<br!-- /Template:Cfd relisted -->
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Same as [[:Category:Republika Srpska international footballers]] and [[:Category:Republika Srpska official football team managers]], this category supposedly covers non-existent [[Republika Srpska national football team]], and several associate articles. "National team" as defined by Wikipedia article [[National team]] usually doesn't exists at the level of regional football association and regional administrative unit or entity, which is part of FIFA/UEFA affiliated nation/state (in this case Bosnia and Herzegovina) - in essence, it's like saying and creating category "[[Swabia|Swabian]]" or "[[Bavaria|Bavarian]] national football team" instead of "[[German national football team]]". Few articles included in this category are on players, who are already categorized in other appropriate categories. Apart from being on "national team" on local administrative entity which isn't a nation, category practically overlaps with [[:Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team]] - first is administrative part of a nation of Bosnia, and another is nation of Bosnia affiliated UEFA and FIFA member. It can't be this kind of separate categorization on Bosnia and Herzegovina national team, or sportsmen/women for that matter, based on country's administrative entities, and against [[WP:NOTA]], [[WP:NFOOTY]], [[WP:SPORTBASIC]] and especially [[WP:FOOTYN]]. Finally, it fails in following [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Category]] completely. [[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 02:44, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. It seems there is a team, though their international matches are limited. It would be more appropriate to compare it to the likes of [[Saaremaa official football team]], [[Padania national football team]], or [[Abkhazia national football team]], all of which compete as part of the CONIFA set-up. However, none of those other teams have similar categories, so perhaps the categories are corrently unnecessary. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 03:21, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
:*Interestingly, both of these articles, which seemingly senior experienced User:Grutness, and admin at that, was able to dig out, are created by same editor, User:Calapez, and both of the articles stand there without single references, and both in a way describing and following obvious separatists political pattern in contested areas, both in real world and on Wikipedia, and both have nothing in common, not even remotely, with case of Republika Srpska regional association, which is vital part of Bosnian association and not separate and/or separatist (for now at least) - oh, wait, there is one source in both of these and in article on Republika Srpska, self-published, by mysterious "Non-FIFA News agency" at non-fifa-news-agency.netau.net, archived at Wayback machine for 2009 than moved to blogger.com for 2012, and defunct ever since.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 07:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
::* I could name a dozen more such articles, by several different editors, many of them well sourced. I'd suggest looking at the articles for the national football teams of Tibet, the Isle of Wight, Zanzibar, Sapmi, Occitania, Kurdistan, Northern Cyprus, Trnasnistria,Zanzibar, Somaliland, Kárpátalja, Tamil Eelam, Panjab, Székely Land, Cascadia, and Matabeleland, to name just a few. And it's a tenet of Wikipedian editing not to bring either an editor's experience or lack of it into consideration when discussing an editor's opinions or !votes. In any case, if you look closely, I'm agreeing with you as far as deletion is concerned, so there is no need for such back-handed personal attacks - if there ever is. And given your history of arguments involving articles related to Srpska, I would suggest that throwing stones from a glass house is not a good idea in any case. As for Calapez, that editor has created many football-related articles, and did ''not'' create all the articles I mentioned. I further note the [[WP:POINT|pointy]] prods you added to the articles, all of which were quickly removed by other editors. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 05:22, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:::*I actually noticed that you are agreeing with me concerning issue, and looking at your last reply the strange feeling overwhelms me that you somewhat misread the way I addressed you as "seemingly senior experienced User, and admin at that", and so on - to call it "personal attack" is a bit far-fetched; I brought your "experience" to the table, now you are bringing my "history", which is more significant for the discussion I can't tell - it was intended to point on seriousness of this case and its broader context, which is, I (and probably some others) believe, contentious if not outright and completely against most basic project rules and guidelines (I am fanatical football aficionado too, but I never even heard of majority of those "national" teams included into aforementioned Cat). However, now I am compelled to respond, nevertheless. I know you can recite team after team, it doesn't mean that you should, because vast majority shouldn't be there at all to begin with, but also because they can't be related in significant way with a specific case - I checked entire [[:Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA]] my self, and although few are reasonably notable but mostly unverifiable and poorly or not sourced at all, it's filled with "well sourced" articles on "national", and of lately "official" (which is clever little WP:MASK for notability), teams of every region and locality imaginable, especially where separatist politics takes significant role, and similar feelings are mirrored on the project. But, that cherry-picking doesn't make any more comparable such cases of Tibet and Northern Cyprus with Srpska or Gozo for that matter. Great that you checked my history of "arguments" involving Srpska, '''only you should immediately point to those which you find problematic, and also significant for my arguments here'''. Yes, I proded those "national" teams like ''Gozo national team'' and such "notable" European football institutes, I wonder on what grounds they intend to keep those articles, and yes, someone removed prod, such as the step in a procedure. But, how you know that they are "pointy", anyway.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 11:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Question aside''', if kept is the word "official" needed? Please react on [[Talk:Republika Srpska official football team]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
:<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' - a regional exhibition team at best, does not need this category. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' – not only the team exists since 1992, has played [https://fsrs.org/sr-BA/reprezentacija-seniori.html 15 non-FIFA games] at senior level, but mantains a coaching stuff for the senior team, and also for all youth levels which they have many: U13, U15, U17, U19, U21 and U23. At youth level they have been very active constantly selecting the best talents from the territory and organising and participating in national and international tournaments. Except for that first game in 1992 which they played as the national team of the self-proclaimed inependent Republika Srpska, after 1995 and the Dayton Agreement, RS has been part of Bosnia and Herzegovina and participates at both league and national team level to form Bosnia and Herzegovina. The only problem has been the more radical political parties of Bosniaks and Croats who openly want to see R. Srpska desapear, both as political entity, and obviouslt in sports as well. Here we have two books that explain well the situation: [https://books.google.pt/books?id=CpO9CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=match+1992+srpska+krajina&source=bl&ots=XiQ73p54TQ&sig=ACfU3U3MhmzJ64efRSTY6FYwoeO3sNvrwQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwoorDzO7jAhWHBGMBHcCMAw8Q6AEwDnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=match%201992%20srpska%20krajina&f=false Football in Southeastern Europe: From Ethnic Homogenization to Reconciliation] by John Hughson and Fiona Skillen, or [https://books.google.pt/books?id=QAd4DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA287&dq=match+1992+srpska+krajina&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-2te7z-7jAhVEXxoKHcqODcsQ6AEINDAC#v=onepage&q=match%201992%20srpska%20krajina&f=false Violent Places: Everyday Politics and Public Lives in Post-Dayton Bosnia] by Tobias Greiff. [[User:FkpCascais|FkpCascais]] ([[User talk:FkpCascais|talk]]) 15:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
* If not kept, '''merge''' to [[:Category:Football in Republika Srpska]], there is no reason to remove the content of this category from that hierarchy. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 15:56, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
==== Category:Republika Srpska official football team managers ====
[[File:*Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Propose deletingRelisted''', {{lc|see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 16%23Category:Republika Srpska official football team managers}}]]<br!-- /Template:Cfd relisted -->
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Similarly as [[:Category:Republika Srpska international footballers]], this category supposedly covers articles on managers of non-existent [[Republika Srpska national football team]], which primarily fails on [[WP:NOTA]], and several associate articles. "National team" as defined by Wikipedia article [[National team]] usually doesn't exists at the level of regional administrative unit or entity, which is part of FIFA/UEFA affiliated nation/state (in this case Bosnia and Herzegovina) - in essence, it's like saying and creating category "[[Swabia|Swabian]]" or "[[Bavaria|Bavarian]] national football team" instead of "[[German national football team]]". Few articles included in this category are on players, who are already categorized in other appropriate categories. Apart from being on "national team" on local administrative entity which isn't a nation, category practically overlaps with [[:Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team]] - first is administrative part of a nation of Bosnia, and another is nation of Bosnia affiliated UEFA and FIFA member. It can't be this kind of separate categorization on Bosnia and Herzegovina national team, or sportsmen/women for that matter, based on country's administrative entities, and against [[WP:NOTA]], [[WP:NFOOTY]], [[WP:SPORTBASIC]] and especially [[WP:FOOTYN]]. Finally, it fails in following [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Category]] completely. [[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 01:34, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. It seems there is a team, though their international matches are limited. It would be more appropriate to compare it to the likes of [[Saaremaa official football team]], [[Padania national football team]], or [[Abkhazia national football team]], all of which compete as part of the CONIFA set-up. However, none of those other teams have similar categories, so perhaps the categories are corrently unnecessary. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 03:21, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
:*Interestingly, both of these articles, which seemingly senior experienced User:Grutness, and admin at that, was able to dig out, are created by same editor, User:Calapez, and both of the articles stand there without single references, and both in a way describing and following obvious separatists political pattern in contested areas, both in real world and on Wikipedia, and both have nothing in common, not even remotely, with case of Republika Srpska regional association, which is vital part of Bosnian association and not separate and/or separatist (for now at least) - oh, wait, there is one source in both of these and in article on Republika Srpska, self-published, by mysterious "Non-FIFA News agency" at non-fifa-news-agency.netau.net, archived at Wayback machine for 2009 than moved to blogger.com for 2012, and defunct ever since.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 07:16, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
::* I could name a dozen more such articles, by several different editors, many of them well sourced. I'd suggest looking at the articles for the national football teams of Tibet, the Isle of Wight, Zanzibar, Sapmi, Occitania, Kurdistan, Northern Cyprus, Trnasnistria,Zanzibar, Somaliland, Kárpátalja, Tamil Eelam, Panjab, Székely Land, Cascadia, and Matabeleland, to name just a few. And it's a tenet of Wikipedian editing not to bring either an editor's experience or lack of it into consideration when discussing an editor's opinions or !votes. In any case, if you look closely, I'm agreeing with you as far as deletion is concerned, so there is no need for such back-handed personal attacks - if there ever is. And given your history of arguments involving articles related to Srpska, I would suggest that throwing stones from a glass house is not a good idea in any case. As for Calapez, that editor has created many football-related articles, and did ''not'' create all the articles I mentioned. I further note the [[WP:POINT|pointy]] prods you added to the articles, all of which were quickly removed by other editors. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 05:21, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:::*I actually noticed that you are agreeing with me concerning issue, and looking at your last reply the strange feeling overwhelms me that you somewhat misread the way I addressed you as "seemingly senior experienced User, and admin at that", and so on - to call it "personal attack" is a bit far-fetched; I brought your "experience" to the table, now you are bringing my "history", which is more significant for the discussion I can't tell - it was intended to point on seriousness of this case and its broader context, which is, I (and probably some others) believe, contentious if not outright and completely against most basic project rules and guidelines (I am fanatical football aficionado too, but I never even heard of majority of those "national" teams included into aforementioned Cat). However, now I am compelled to respond, nevertheless. I know you can recite team after team, it doesn't mean that you should, because vast majority shouldn't be there at all to begin with, but also because they can't be related in significant way with a specific case - I checked entire [[:Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA]] my self, and although few are reasonably notable but mostly unverifiable and poorly or not sourced at all, it's filled with "well sourced" articles on "national", and of lately "official" (which is clever little WP:MASK for notability), teams of every region and locality imaginable, especially where separatist politics takes significant role, and similar feelings are mirrored on the project. But, that cherry-picking doesn't make any more comparable such cases of Tibet and Northern Cyprus with Srpska or Gozo for that matter. Great that you checked my history of "arguments" involving Srpska, '''only you should immediately point to those which you find problematic, and also significant for my arguments here'''. Yes, I proded those "national" teams like ''Gozo national team'' and such "notable" European football institutes, I wonder on what grounds they intend to keep those articles, and yes, someone removed prod, such as the step in a procedure. But, how you know that they are "pointy", anyway.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 11:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' - a regional exhibition team at best, does not need this category. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Republika Srpska is one of those non-FIFA national teams. Regional, yes, but so is Catalonya. [[User:FkpCascais|FkpCascais]] ([[User talk:FkpCascais|talk]]) 22:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' - Sources, sources, sources, neutral, reliable sources, verifiability, notability.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 00:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
*::[[Football Association of Republika Srpska]] is one of the two FA´s forming the [[Football Association of Bosnia and Herzegovina]]. It organises the [[First League of the Republika Srpska]] which is one of the two leagues that form the second-level that provides teams for the [[Premier League of Bosnia and Herzegovina]]. In this article about the premier league one can see how it was this FA´s from the entities that restored football by the end of the war and later led to the formation of a unified league. The FA of RS also has teams representing the entity. From senior to youngest level. It is not some irrelevant regional exhibitional team, but more like the other teans from [[:Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA]]. Sources we have plenty, from the [https://fsrs.org/sr-BA/ official website] to all other refereing to the ganmes and competitions. [[User:FkpCascais|FkpCascais]] ([[User talk:FkpCascais|talk]]) 13:49, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
::::I understand it's a terrible weather around Balkan, it's something like above 35C and windless with extreme humidity so it feels like above 40C, but editors don't need lessons in history from the perspective of one of their own, editors need sources and sources, especially if they are neutral and reliable, so that editors can check the articles (and I guess affiliated Cat's) for verifiability and establish notability. If all other sources are like one provided in editor's above post than we should have really easy task ahead.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 14:12, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:::::What are you talking about? Weather in Balkans? I live in Lisbon... I dont need to demonstrate the notability of what is one of the two organs forming the Bosnia and Herzegovina Football Association. Or, you claim football in Bosnia and Herzegovina is not notable by itself? [[User:FkpCascais|FkpCascais]] ([[User talk:FkpCascais|talk]]) 14:56, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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