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==== Category:Scottish peoples ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 11:04, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Scottish peoples}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]]], just one article and one subcategory. The article is already in [[:Category:Ethnic groups in Scotland]]; the subcategory is already in [[:Category:Ancient Scotland]], so a merge is probably not needed. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:45, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', redundant to [[:Category:Ethnic groups in Scotland]]. The two linked categories in other-language wikipedias were no doubt copied from here and can be merged likewise ([https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8721181]). – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:06, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Tig Notaro ====
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==== Category:Religion in the Arab world by city ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 11:06, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Religion in the Arab world by city}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''', as it is largely overlapping with [[:Category:Religion in the Middle East by city]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:54, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Merge''' (leaving cat-redirect) to [[:Category:Religion in the Middle East by city]], which is in practice covering exactly the same ground. IN theory north Africa is also part of the Arab World, but there are no articles in the subject which do not go in target. In fact all are already there, so that I could have said '''REdirect'''. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', I found and added [[:Category:Religion in Tunis]], and more categories could be built ě.g. for cities in Morocco and Algeria. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 23:07, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== St. Louis Commissioner of Police ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge and rename per option F''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:St. Louis Police Department Chiefs]] to ???? (see options below)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:St. Louis Commissioner of Police]]
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*{{ping|Tysports}} are you going to help us choose one? – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 15:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
*{{ping|Fayenatic london}} '''Option F''' <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tysports|Tysports]] ([[User talk:Tysports#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tysports|contribs]]) 17:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)</small>
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==== Category:U.S. Army installations named for Confederate soldiers ====
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:* '''Propose Deleting''' [[:Category:U.S. Army installations named for Confederate soldiers]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:SHAREDNAME]]
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*'''Delete''' (possibly listify) as generally non-defining, not a good way to categorize (it's better to categorize e.g. by ___location) and per ample precedent e.g. [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_November_15#Category:Colleges_and_universities_named_after_people]]. <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b><sup> [[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]</sup> 19:09, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
*I have started the page [[List of U.S. Army installations named for Confederate soldiers]]. {{ping|Rogerd|Creuzbourg|SnowFire}} how important is it now for you to keep the category? – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 11:36, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
:: '''Keep.''' It’s important due to present controversies. It’s important for historical reasons (failure of reconstruction; reconciliation after the ACW; US Army naming policy). '''Definitely keep!''' It’s not like one category is excluding other categories for the same article. [[User:Creuzbourg|Creuzbourg]] ([[User talk:Creuzbourg|talk]]) 14:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::* Yes it is, when the naming praxis in itself is controversial or of historical importance. Generally, I find it very peculiar that categories can be contentious and time being spent on discussing categories instead of improving articles. A category is just a means for a reader to reach the articles that are interesting. As already said, it’s not like one category is excluding other categories for the same article. Are there ulterior motives for wanting to remove this category? Political correctness perhaps? [[User:Creuzbourg|Creuzbourg]] ([[User talk:Creuzbourg|talk]]) 15:39, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
::::* The main motive is consistency of categorization; we don't generally categorize things by the origin of their name. [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_16#Category:Organisms_named_after_elements_in_the_Harry_Potter_franchise|Here's an example of an earlier CFD for similar categorization]] - do you think that was for (the same) "ulterior motives"? An article such as [[Fort Bragg]] contains thousands of facts; the origin of the name may be the fact that most interests you, but someone else might find another fact interesting. If we don't limit categorization then editors could get sucked into adding more and more category tags to articles ... <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b><sup> [[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]</sup> 05:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::: Three Maryland congressmen have introduced a resolution calling for the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue from Antietam National Battlefield because it "memorializes leaders of the pro-slavery, traitorous Confederate South". Can't you see that "named for Confederate soldiers" is a relevant category given the present political discourse? It’s not like the trivia from popular culture you are referring to. Furthermore, per WP:SHAREDNAME: ''a category for unrelated people who happen to be named "Jackson" is not useful. However, a category may be useful if the people, objects, or places are directly related—for example, a category grouping subarticles directly related to a specific Jackson family.'' It is my opinion, based on facts and logic, that "named for Confederate soldiers" in this case corresponds to "the Jackson family." In addition, I do not see overcategorization as an especially pertinent problem. I find it more disturbing that a stubborn attachment to general principles is overriding the specific circumstances of an individual case. [[User:Creuzbourg|Creuzbourg]] ([[User talk:Creuzbourg|talk]]) 11:01, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Creuzbourg}} Thank you, that is what my motivation was. To shine a little bit of a light on this issue. --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] ([[User talk:Rogerd|talk]]) 20:51, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Robert Bloch ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete''' per [[WP:OCEPON]]. Where there are many articles for works but they are all in sub-categories for works, this does not justify an eponymous category, but rather means that it is ''not'' needed, if there are no other biography-related articles. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 09:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Robert Bloch}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:OCEPON]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:red;;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:blue;;">superman</span>]]''' 08:26, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. the Works-by and Films-based-on-works-by group together the relevant articles and are interlinked. Those articles don't need categorizing in [[:Category:American male writers]]. <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b><sup> [[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]</sup> 15:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
*Putting "Films based on works by X" within "works by X" will always be debatable. I have replaced the parenting with "related category" links in both directions. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 18:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:William Goldman ====
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==== Category:Twin people from the United States ====
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▲:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''merge or reverse merge''', the two categories have an overlapping scope. I have tagged both categories. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:17, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
▲*'''Reverse merge''' for consistency within [[:Category:Twin people by nationality]], and redirect as this may be helpful. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:13, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
==== Organisations based in Haiti ====
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