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==== Category: Kopitar family ====
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:* '''Propose deletion''' [[:Category:Kopitar family]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' -- [[WP:SMALLCAT]]. There are only three notable members of this Slovenian family, each known for their contributions to hockey. Anze Kopitar has two very young children who won't be notable anytime soon. Is a category really needed here? -- [[User:Gmatsuda|Gmatsuda]] ([[User talk:Gmatsuda|talk]]) 13:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''', the articles can easily link to each other directly. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 20:08, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:2016 Labour Party (UK) leadership election ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:2016 Labour Party (UK) leadership election]] to [[:Category:2016 Labour Party leadership election (UK)]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' WP:PARENDIS. [[User:Neveselbert|Neveselbert]] ([[User talk:Neveselbert|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Neveselbert|contribs]] '''·''' [[Special:EmailUser/Neveselbert|email]]) 11:59, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Comment'''; I see a whole bunch of related articles were moved recently to follow the proposed format. I don't know if there was consensus for this. I would be against renaming the category (and the articles) since the title could be misleading, suggesting we are discussing a worldwide organisation with a UK branch rather than a UK organisation that is independent of its international counterparts. [[User:This is Paul|This is Paul]] ([[User talk:This is Paul|talk]]) 22:03, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
::I started moving some of these articles because I thought the ''old'' title was misleading. Unnaturally putting (UK) in the middle suggests that the name of the party is {{tq|Labour Party (UK)}}, which it is not. [[User:Opera hat|Opera hat]] ([[User talk:Opera hat|talk]]) 08:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
::: It suggests that the disambiguator refers to the Labour Party rather than to the election. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 20:52, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Oppose ''' - article is [[Labour Party (UK)]], category is {{cl|Labour Party (UK)}}. [[WP:PARENDIS]] does not seem relevant. The articles (moved recently like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_Labour_Party_leadership_election_(UK)&type=revision&diff=910938929&oldid=907489906&diffmode=source this]) should be moved back. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 01:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
::[[WP:Category names#General conventions]] says that normal policy on article titles should apply. And policy on parenthetical disambiguation is to put it at the end. [[User:Opera hat|Opera hat]] ([[User talk:Opera hat|talk]]) 08:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Support''' for the reasons given in my comments above. [[User:Opera hat|Opera hat]] ([[User talk:Opera hat|talk]]) 08:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Current title makes it clear that it is a UK Labour Party leadership election. Proposed title suggests that there was a supranational election and this is for the UK element of the vote. [[User:Number 57|<span style="color: orange;">Number</span>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<span style="color: blue;">7</span>]] 12:44, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' -- The present name is quite clear enough and consistent with parent. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:58, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:2015 Labour Party (UK) leadership election ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:2015 Labour Party (UK) leadership election]] to [[:Category:2015 Labour Party leadership election (UK)]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:PARENDIS]]. [[User:Neveselbert|Neveselbert]] ([[User talk:Neveselbert|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Neveselbert|contribs]] '''·''' [[Special:EmailUser/Neveselbert|email]]) 11:58, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Oppose '''- as above. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 01:30, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' as above. [[User:Opera hat|Opera hat]] ([[User talk:Opera hat|talk]]) 08:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above. [[User:Number 57|<span style="color: orange;">Number</span>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<span style="color: blue;">7</span>]] 13:19, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Food studies journals ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:11, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Food studies journals]] to [[:Category:Food science journals]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The term ''''Food Science'''' would be better/more accurate for this category than ''''Food Studies'''', also to be consistent with the [[Food Science|main article]].[[User:Youllneverwalkalone2019|Youllneverwalkalone2019]] ([[User talk:Youllneverwalkalone2019|talk]]) 13:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
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* '''Support'''. Food science is the more common term. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 07:36, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support'''  <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 13:05, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Laureates of the Prince Claus Award ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Laureates of the Prince Claus Award}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''' per [[WP:OCAWARD]], the people in this category are not specifically notable for this award, in the articles the receipt of the award is mentioned merely in passing. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' per nom. I checked a sample of articles in the category and any mention of this award was in a list of awards received (e.g. at [[Julia Isídrez]]) or at the end of the text. <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b><sup> [[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]</sup> 09:55, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' a non-defining award.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 07:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' OCAWARD applies. No need to listify as there is a good list in the main article. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 18:02, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Buildings and structures in Manassas Park, Virginia ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Buildings and structures in Manassas Park, Virginia}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category and its subcategory contains only 1 article. [[User:Namiba|TM]] 13:02, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Merge''' to general cat for the place.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 07:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Harmon prize winners ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Harmon prize winners}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''' per [[WP:OCAWARD]] and [[WP:NONDEF]], some articles like [[Benjamin Griffith Brawley]] do not even mention the award at all. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 20:40, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''; does not appear to be defining. Would have voted to '''listify''' but there's already a list. [[User:זָרַח|Zerach]] ([[User talk:זָרַח|talk]]) 22:10, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' The list is sufficient. Most award categories just lead to cat clutter, and this is a clear example of such. Not everything someone did and every award they received need to be categorized by.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 07:09, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:JVP insurrections in film ====
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==== Category:Genting Hong Kong ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' [[:Category:Star Cruises]] to [[:Category:Genting Hong Kong]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 14:48, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Genting Hong Kong]] to [[:Category:Holding companies of Hong Kong]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Only one eponymous article [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 07:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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*I'm quite happy with that. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 20:27, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Aldehydic acids ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:15, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Aldehydic acids}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The category only has one member, which is already separately categorized under [[:Category:Benzoic acids]] and [[:Category:Benzaldehydes]]. Also, the category has no main article, and there is no page with the name [[Aldehydic acid]]. [[User talk:The_Nth_User|Care to differ or discuss with me?]] [[User:The_Nth_User|The N<sup>th</sup> User]] 01:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:2019 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election ====
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==== Category:Tribal societies that have practiced cannibalism ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:10, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Tribal societies that have practiced cannibalism]] to [[:Category:Societies that have practiced cannibalism]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' This category seems to collect together exclusively non-European, mostly indigenous societies that have practiced cannibalism (or allegedly practiced cannibalism) at some point in their history. I think the term "tribal" carries a loaded, pejorative, stigmatizing connotation in this context and thus the word should be removed. Personally, I think the category should be deleted altogether and turned into an article or list, but that suggestion was voted down in 2008, so that's a debate for another time. [[User:Bohemian Baltimore|Bohemian Baltimore]] ([[User talk:Bohemian Baltimore|talk]]) 06:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' (listify if necessary) as non-defining (e.g. for [[Mohave people]]) and not part of a tribes-by-practices categorization scheme. Note: [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_April_16#Category:Tribal_societies_that_have_practiced_cannibalism|the 2008 discussion]] was closed as no consensus. <b>[[User:DexDor|DexDor]]</b><sup> [[User talk:DexDor|(talk)]]</sup> 10:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
:* Deletion per [[WP:NONDEF]] is another possibility indeed. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' One issue that will come up is how to distinguish those who practiced ritual eating of cetain organs of powerful enemies with those who practiced full scale eating of other people. Add to this theories that some of the cannibalism in some south Pacific societies happened as a result of over population, and the fact that tribal practices change over time without the tribes themselves always vanishing, this is just not a good category. It might work as a nuanced list, but not a category.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 07:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Scientific racism ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Scientific racism]]<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' This is a biased, pejorative term that serves no purpose in this encyclopedia except Marxist-Lysenkoist far-left POV pushing. Science is and has always been a detached and objective pursuit and does not and has never included any component of racial hatred that would ratify its putative status as "racism". I find particularly perturbing the category's characterization as "pseudoscience" (always a term to use with caution) and "obsolete theories". Clearly, the category is populated with enough "scientific racists" who believe in "scientific racism" as to render their enterprise as something other than "obsolete". '''Delete'''. [[User:HRKent444|HRKent444]] ([[User talk:HRKent444|talk]]) 02:47, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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****Pseudoscience is a term to use with caution. Many of the scientists listed in the category employ the scientific method and empiricism and thus their enterprise cannot be categorized as "pseudoscience". Would you categorize FBI statistics on race and crime as "scientific racism"? Labeling something as scientific racism implies that there is some sort of value judgement inherent in the science, which there is not. [[User:HRKent444|HRKent444]] ([[User talk:HRKent444|talk]]) 23:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
***** I put (pseudo) between brackets, because whether it is science or pseudo-science is beside the point. This is about treating race as an independent explanatory variable in science. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:34, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
****** '''Keep''' per above discussion. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:40, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', category has a clear encyclopedic topic, that it is pejorative is immaterial. [[:Category:Neo-Nazis]] is pejorative. Doesn't mean that neo-Nazis don't exist.  <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 13:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
**Pejorative terms have no place in a project that purports to expound a neutral point of view. [[User:HRKent444|HRKent444]] ([[User talk:HRKent444|talk]]) 12:00, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
:*Oh man, those {{contribs|HRKent444}}... we're likely dealing with a [[WP:SPA]] here.  <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 13:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
::*{{Hidden ping|Headbomb}} Yep. [[User:XOR'easter|XOR'easter]] ([[User talk:XOR'easter|talk]]) 16:00, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
::*{{Hidden ping|Headbomb}} Agreed. And although I usually AgF and often far longer than I should, looking at the OP's edits I don't think they are here for the good of the project. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 16:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Clear encyclopedic topic. And science has been used to justify nonsensical policies by various states, and has been far than a detached observer. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 10:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
**Evidence? [[User:HRKent444|HRKent444]] ([[User talk:HRKent444|talk]]) 20:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' or at least purge. [[The Bell Curve]] is a problematic book in many ways, but to call it "scientific racism" is to engage in misinformed attacks on the book itself. This category should be used with extreme caution, and if that cannot be achieved it should be scapped.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 07:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
::There are hundreds, if not thousands, of reliable, academic sources directly linking The Bell Curve to scientific racism as a simple defining trait. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 07:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The placement of Charles Murray, an Anglo-American with an Asian wife, in this category amounts to character assasination and is a clear sign this category is being abused.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 07:18, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The fact this is an attack term used by the fraudulent, discredited and racial stratifying SPLC to attack others shows this is largely a way to discredit the work of others. This becomes even more pronounced when people in the late 20th and 21st century like Charles Murray who write things the are less racist than anyone wrote in 1854 are grouped with the most extreme racists of the past.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 07:25, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' And how does [[Joseph Deniker]] fit in all of this? He was trying to classify race, but not propagate ideas of differential. He came up with 10 races in Europe alone for example. Considering how much modern academics invoke race at every turn, to use this as a pejorative attack on some people in such a selective way just does not work.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 07:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' This is a significant topic of academic study and for many ('''no, not all''') entries, it is well supportable by sources. As with any category, people and especially BLPs should be handled with caution, but that's not a justification for deletion. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 07:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Proponents of pseudosciences want to whitewash the articles about their ideas all the time. We don't do that. See [[WP:LUNATICS]]. --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 08:34, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - we don't delete categories because we don't like them for political reasons or because they imply bad things, it's a legitimate category for an encyclopedia and apparently misunderstood by some editors. Hop Gadling also has it right. I see that at least one editor, John Pack Lambert, is now busy removing it (and [[:Category:White supremacy]] from [[White Gods]] despite it being in the lead) from articles, eg from [[Richard Lynn]] despite the fact that the article discusses scientific racism. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 09:30, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' It's a legitimate category. (The inclusion of any particular item in it is of course potentially a matter of debate, but that's true for many legitimate categories.) [[User:XOR'easter|XOR'easter]] ([[User talk:XOR'easter|talk]]) 15:58, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I agree with others that there may be cases where the category is misapplied, but the existence of "scientific racism" as a distinct scientific tradition is [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/9781118430873.est0324 well-documented]. The nominator's rationale seems to misunderstand the definition of the term scientific racism. [[User:Nblund |<span style="background-color: #CC79A7; color:white;">'''Nblund'''</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Nblund|talk]]</sup> 16:06, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep, purge biographies''' This category is similar in my opinion to [[:Category:Misogyny]], where the hatnote reads {{green| It must not include articles about individuals, groups or media that are allegedly misogynist.}}, with a link to [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 9#Bias categories]]. (The other categories listed in that discussion should probably be winnowed again as well.) [[User:Genericusername57|gnu]][[User talk:Genericusername57|<span style="color:#ff7000">57</span>]] 16:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:10, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Transgender women}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' This recently created category is redundant to [[:Category:Transgender and transsexual women]] and/or [[:Category:Trans women]]. (Please note that it contains only two items at present, both of which are also in the "transgender and transsexual women" category.) Cheers, [[User:Genericusername57|gnu]][[User talk:Genericusername57|<span style="color:#ff7000">57</span>]] 01:33, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:03, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. We should strongly consider ''moving'' "Transgender and transsexual women" to just "transgender women", per the evolution in best-practices terminology for writing about trans issues that's taken place since the existing category was first created, but creating the desired term as a ''duplicate'' of the existing category, without actually doing anything about the existing category at all, is not the way to go about making that happen. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 17:23, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''merge somehow''' we do not need multiple categories for such people, unless there can be a clear distinction between people into different categories. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 18:10, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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