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==== Category:Offices of the Roman Curia ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Dicasteries]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 08:38, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Offices of the Roman Curia]] to [[:Category:Roman Curia]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Can't see how this separate, seemingly redundant category is really motivated here? [[User:PPEMES|PPEMES]] ([[User talk:PPEMES|talk]]) 00:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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::: I like that idea. I think that is canonically accurate and a better way to organize the existing content. Also, in the pending reorganization of the Roman Curia, there are many reports that all the different types of dicasteries will simply be called "Dicastery of...", so this may be helpful when we have to rename most of the pages soon. I '''support this sub-proposal.''' <span style="font-family: Old English text MT"> [[User:CanonLawJunkie|Canon Law Junkie]] </span>§§§ <span style="font-family: Old English text MT">[[User talk: CanonLawJunkie|Talk]]</span> 00:06, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt''' to [[:Category:Dicasteries]]. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 20:27, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Pontifical organizations ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''do not merge'''. I'll list the second category on the manual page for redistribution of contents per comments below. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 08:34, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Pontifical organizations]] to [[:Category:Institutions connected with the Holy See]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Too unclear or too broad scope, at least as means of separately motivated from destination template. As such, essentially redundant.[[User:PPEMES|PPEMES]] ([[User talk:PPEMES|talk]]) 23:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' and selectively merge in the target, with the rest of its content (things that are not insitutions) merged elsewhere, e.g. to Vatican City. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 14:57, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
::I second the "selectively merge" proposal. <span style="font-family: Old English text MT"> [[User:CanonLawJunkie|Canon Law Junkie]] </span>§§§ <span style="font-family: Old English text MT">[[User talk: CanonLawJunkie|Talk]]</span> 00:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Nepalese government stubs ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' category to both parents. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 21:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Nepalese government stubs}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Far below threshold of # of articles to qualify for a stub category; created out of process. I propose we upmerge the stub template to [[:Category:Asian government stubs]] or [[:Category:Nepal stubs]] and delete this category. '''[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]''' ''([[User talk:Pegship|really?]])'' 19:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''', merge template to [[:Category:Nepal stubs]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:46, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' upmerge the template to both parents mentioned. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 13:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Sanamahism stubs ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 22:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Sanamahism stubs}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Far below threshold of # of articles to qualify for a stub category; created out of process. I propose we upmerge the stub template to {{cl|Indian religion stubs}} and delete this category. '''[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]]''' ''([[User talk:Pegship|really?]])'' 19:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 13:53, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Lord Mayors of London ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 10:06, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Lord Mayors of London]] to [[:Category:Lord mayors of London]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:14th-century Lord Mayors of London]] to [[:Category:14th-century lord mayors of London]]
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**You may have missed some of the recent discussions, which have been somewhat numerous but do have a consensus outcome that is reflected in the guideline at [[MOS:JOBTITLES]]. Yes, we would capitalise [[Lord Mayor of London]], [[Earl of Essex]], and [[King of England]], but this is different because this is about the ''plural'' – the ''entire set'' of people who have held a title. I can provide explicit pointers to many of those recent discussions, but I hope that the most directly relevant one will suffice – please see the recent RM at '''[[Talk:List of lord mayors of London]]''' (and note that it is using lowercase). The discussion in that RM also contains references to many similar RMs with consistent outcomes. A formal title is capitalised as a [[proper noun]] when in the ''singular'' form as a formal title held by only one person (as in the article title [[Lord Mayor of London]]). In the plural, it is describing a group of people, not a single person, so it is not a proper noun in that form and should not be capitalised. The singular/plural distinction is explicitly discussed in [[MOS:JOBTITLES]]. Surely the category [[:Category:Lord Mayors of London]] should be consistent with the corresponding list [[List of lord mayors of London]]. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 18:20, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Speedy close suggested''', as this proposal meets the speedy criterion [[WP:C2D]] for the corresponding [[List of lord mayors of London]]. Please also see the corresponding recent RM discussion at [[Talk:List of lord mayors of London]]. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 20:40, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:PVRIS albums ====
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▲* '''Rename''' to [[:Category:Pvris albums]] per [[Pvris]]. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 17:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
==== Category:Coop Denmark ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:58, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Coop Denmark]] to [[:Category:Cooperatives in Denmark]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Only 1 article, about [[Coop amba]] which is actually the parent company of Coop Denmark, which doesnt have its own article. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 14:44, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Buildings and structures of the Catholic Church ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''do not merge'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Buildings and structures of the Catholic Church]] to [[:Category:Catholic church buildings]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' No obvious reason for duplicate content. C.f. interrelated discussions at [[Category talk:Catholic organizations]], and [[Category talk:Catholic denominations]]. [[User:PPEMES|PPEMES]] ([[User talk:PPEMES|talk]]) 11:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::: Actually I didn't come up with that convention of pertaining to the Latin Church, I recall others did. [[User:PPEMES|PPEMES]] ([[User talk:PPEMES|talk]]) 21:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. {{cl|Catholic church buildings}} deals with buildings which are Catholic churches. {{cl|Buildings and structures of the Catholic Church}} (of which {{cl|Catholic church buildings}} should be a subcat - for some reason it seems to be the other way round) deals with ''all'' buildings belonging to the Catholic Church, whether they are churches, monasteries, palaces, convents, administrative buildings within the Vatican, or Vatican missions in other countries. As such, the categories have significantly different uses.[[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 13:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
**Hopefully I've disentangled the incorrect parent/child cat problem. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 13:47, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. "Church building" means something specific (i.e. what is commonly called simply a church). This is a wider category. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 10:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Necrothesp. A bishop's palace is a building of the Church but it is not a church building. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 22:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Greek historical hero cult ====
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==== Prince-bishops of Montenegro ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' Prince-Bishops to prince-bishops, '''no consensus''' to rename the Prince-Bishopric. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 12:40, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Prince-Bishops of Montenegro]] to [[:Category:Prince-bishops of Montenegro]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro]] to [[:Category:Prince-bishopric of Montenegro]]
:'''Nominator's rationale: rename''' per article title [[Prince-bishop]] and after boldly moving [[Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro]] to [[Prince-bishopric of Montenegro]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I have moved it back. Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro is a ''proper name'' and is therefore capitalised. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 11:02, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
:* It is not a proper name. Prince-bishop is (the English translation of) the German term "Fürstbischof" which however was not officially used outside of the Holy Roman Empire or the Baltics. The (English translation of the) proper name in case of Montenegro was [[Metropolitanate of Montenegro and the Littoral]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
::*That's the religious entity. This refers to the temporal state, which is clearly a proper name. Two different things. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 09:23, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
:::* That is exactly the thing, there hasn't been any other proper name beside the proper name of the religious entity. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 11:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
::::*Something doesn't have to be formally named to be a proper name! Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro is ''used'' as a proper name, as it is used as the name of the state entity which was Montenegro at the time. Whether it was ''officially'' used or not is irrelevant. United States is not the official name of the United States of America; does that mean it shouldn't be capitalised? It is a convention in English to treat such names as proper names and capitalise them. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 14:07, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::: Isn't United States an abbreviated common name form with retained capital letter from full proper name? [[User:PPEMES|PPEMES]] ([[User talk:PPEMES|talk]]) 16:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Of course, but why should it have? United states is a generic title without the America bit added. Yet we do retain the capitalisation. Because it's convention to capitalise anything being used as the name of a specific entity. That's my point. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 09:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It is not a title, it is a description. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 22:34, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
**Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro is clearly a proper name. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 09:22, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
***A "Prince-Bishop of Montenegro" would be a proper name; a "Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro" is not a proper name. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 19:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
****Obviously I don't agree. Neither do I see a distinction. One is the ruler; the other is the entity he rules. Both are proper names. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 09:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[WP:C2C]], [[WP:C2D]]. [[User:PPEMES|PPEMES]] ([[User talk:PPEMES|talk]]) 16:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
**No, neither of those are appropriate. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 09:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
* A completely different argument is [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Titles_of_people|WP:MOS]]: a title is only capitalized when it is written immediately before someone's name. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:43, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
**That only applies to [[:Category:Prince-Bishops of Montenegro]], which I have no objection to renaming. It does not apply to [[:Category:Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro]], however. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 14:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for Prince-Bishops, '''Oppose''' for Prince-Bishopric, mainly per consistency with article names, but I also find the Marco's MOS argument compelling and Prince - Bishopric being a proper name. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 20:05, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Cheating in chess ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 12:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Cheating in chess}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Not properly named for a biographical category and troublesome with respect to [[WP:BLP]]. Limited prospects for expansion as although cheating in chess is perhaps not uncommon, most cheaters won't get Wikipedia articles. Originally contained three articles on [[:Category:chess automatons]] that were operated by humans. Although these could be considered frauds, I don't see how that could be categorized as cheating in chess. (In my view the early chess automatons were entertainment akin to a magician's show and I would not consider either one to be cheating or fraudulent.) [[User:Quale|Quale]] ([[User talk:Quale|talk]]) 05:57, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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::: It isn't entirely unprecedented, we have categories for drug cheating in sports with many BLPs for example. [[User:MaxBrowne2|MaxBrowne2]] ([[User talk:MaxBrowne2|talk]]) 05:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::: Maybe [[:Category:Sportspeople involved in betting scandals]]? [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 15:36, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::I've created and added cheaters to [[:Category:Cheating in sports]]. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 19:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
:* I'm maybe late to the party, I'd point out that there is already an article about [[Cheating in chess|cheating in chess]], with the names of the "protagonists" of all major (and also minor) cases. [[User:Sophia91|Sophia91]] ([[User talk:Sophia91|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
:**It's very common for categories to have corresponding articles. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 17:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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**Following the pattern of [[:Category:Sportspeople involved in betting scandals]], it could be [[:Category:Chess players involved in cheating scandals]]. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 15:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
***Sorry, I am traveling, cannot contribute as promptly as I would like. I was going to say something like what [[User:BarrelProof]] just said. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 04:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
***Sounds like a good rename to me. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 19:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
**** "Involved in" sounds too weak, as it may lead to unverified accusations. Better stick to "sanctioned for". [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 12:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
*****Indeed, unverified accusations can be notable; see my discussion of Kramnik vs. Topalov below. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 14:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': I agree with Quale and MaxBrowne, unnecessary category, many cheaters won't get Wikipedia articles. [[User:Sophia91|Sophia91]] ([[User talk:Sophia91|talk]]) 15:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
**Categories are not intended to be comprehensive of less notable entries, as with all of Wikipedia. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 15:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::"John von Neumann"" -- the incident would be considered notable (covered in the press and everybody remembers it), but the guy was not (what was his name?).
:::Kramnik vs. Topalov WC match 2006 -- notable enough to be mentioned in [[Vladimir Kramnik]] and [[Veselin Topalov]], although in all likelihood no cheating occurred. Equally implausible accusations occurred during the 1972 and 1978 WC matches. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 04:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', '''rename''' if necessary. The nominator has not presented a valid rationale for deletion. If people are reported by reliable sources as having cheated, how does that violate BLP? Also, there are enough articles, so the number isn't an issue. I was actually going to create a category for cheating in sports ([[Rosie Ruiz]], [[Danny Almonte]], etc.) and, while doing some checking, stumbled upon this AfD. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 22:49, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' I don't care if the people here became semi-notable for cheating at chess, we do not need to categorize by every possible detail of life.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 06:20, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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