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==== Prince-bishops of Montenegro ====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''
:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' Prince-Bishops to prince-bishops, '''no consensus''' to rename the Prince-Bishopric. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 12:40, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Prince-Bishops of Montenegro]] to [[:Category:Prince-bishops of Montenegro]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro]] to [[:Category:Prince-bishopric of Montenegro]]
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* A completely different argument is [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Titles_of_people|WP:MOS]]: a title is only capitalized when it is written immediately before someone's name. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:43, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
**That only applies to [[:Category:Prince-Bishops of Montenegro]], which I have no objection to renaming. It does not apply to [[:Category:Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro]], however. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 14:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for Prince-Bishops, '''Oppose''' for Prince-Bishopric, mainly per consistency with article names, but I also find the Marco's MOS argument compelling and Prince - Bishopric being a proper name. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 20:05, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Cheating in chess ====
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:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''
:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 12:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Cheating in chess}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Not properly named for a biographical category and troublesome with respect to [[WP:BLP]]. Limited prospects for expansion as although cheating in chess is perhaps not uncommon, most cheaters won't get Wikipedia articles. Originally contained three articles on [[:Category:chess automatons]] that were operated by humans. Although these could be considered frauds, I don't see how that could be categorized as cheating in chess. (In my view the early chess automatons were entertainment akin to a magician's show and I would not consider either one to be cheating or fraudulent.) [[User:Quale|Quale]] ([[User talk:Quale|talk]]) 05:57, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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***Sorry, I am traveling, cannot contribute as promptly as I would like. I was going to say something like what [[User:BarrelProof]] just said. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 04:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
***Sounds like a good rename to me. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 19:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
**** "Involved in" sounds too weak, as it may lead to unverified accusations. Better stick to "sanctioned for". [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 12:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
*****Indeed, unverified accusations can be notable; see my discussion of Kramnik vs. Topalov below. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 14:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': I agree with Quale and MaxBrowne, unnecessary category, many cheaters won't get Wikipedia articles. [[User:Sophia91|Sophia91]] ([[User talk:Sophia91|talk]]) 15:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
**Categories are not intended to be comprehensive of less notable entries, as with all of Wikipedia. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 15:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::Kramnik vs. Topalov WC match 2006 -- notable enough to be mentioned in [[Vladimir Kramnik]] and [[Veselin Topalov]], although in all likelihood no cheating occurred. Equally implausible accusations occurred during the 1972 and 1978 WC matches. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 04:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', '''rename''' if necessary. The nominator has not presented a valid rationale for deletion. If people are reported by reliable sources as having cheated, how does that violate BLP? Also, there are enough articles, so the number isn't an issue. I was actually going to create a category for cheating in sports ([[Rosie Ruiz]], [[Danny Almonte]], etc.) and, while doing some checking, stumbled upon this AfD. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 22:49, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' I don't care if the people here became semi-notable for cheating at chess, we do not need to categorize by every possible detail of life.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 06:20, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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