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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 05:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Online trading]] to [[:Category:Electronic trading systems]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Substantial overlap. Electronic trading systems makes the meaning a bit clearer. Online trading sounds a much wider concept. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 21:37, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Just delete''', none of the three articles are about systems. Two of them seem to belong in [[:Category:Algorithmic trading]] though. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:34, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per Marcocapelle's reasoning. The subcat {{cat|Electronic trading platforms}} is already part of {{cat|Electronic trading systems}} as well. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 04:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
* :Fine by me. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 20:24, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Male politicians ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete and merge''' as specified in the nomination <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 05:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Male politicians}}<br />
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|American male politicians}}<br />
:* '''Propose merging''' {{lc|American male politicians of Indian descent}} to {{cl|American politicians of Indian descent}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per longstanding consensus when similar categories have been tried in the past, there's no value in gender-categorizing male politicians. The vast majority of politicians throughout history have been male by default, and there's no need to categorize people for a characteristic shared by the vast majority of them -- the reason women are different when it comes to politics, and the reason why the category for women in politics does ''not'' need to be balanced against a similar category for men, is that women in politics only started to emerge in the 20th century (as opposed to men, who've always been in politics right from the very
*'''Support'''. We've had these arguments before.[[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 21:39, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:06, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom and [[WP:OCEGRS]]. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 11:29, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' "starting in the 20th-century" is both false and misleading. On one hand we have [[Martha Hughes Cannon]] elected a state senator in 1896. However the Utah Territorial Legislature's 1870s attempt to allow women to serve in elective office was blocked by the Federal government, and then the federal government rescinded women's right to vote in Utah. On the other hand well through the 20th-cnentury women in politics were extremely rare. during the time in the 1950s that Lyndon B. Johnson was the Democrat Majority Leader in the US census, his caucus had 0 females, and Margaret Chase Smith was the only female senator during that time. As recently as 1978 for part of the year the number of women in the US senate was 0. In 1991 the number of women serving as members of the US senate was 2. That is 2%. There have only been 56 women serve in the US senate, and this includes the first one who served a day as basically an honorific appointment. There are 18 states that have never elected a woman to the senate. There have been 1971 members of the United States senate to date, so 1915 have been men. No state has had more than 3 women senators, while no state has had less than 7 senators (Hawaii). New Jersey has had the most senators (66), and 0 of those have been women. Similar figures apply to the United States house of representatives, where 319 of 11,037 have been women. In both cases this adds up to just under 3% total. Pregnancy of such women though rare plays a role, and for example [[Mia Love]] was chastised by some for being a mother of minor children seeking political office in a way fathers of minor children never are.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 03:43, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Falcon (rocket family) ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' (the other category already exists, with the same scope). <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 05:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Falcon (rocket family)]] to [[:Category:SpaceX launch vehicles]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per recent consensus at [[Talk:SpaceX launch vehicles#Requested move 9 September 2019]], similar reason ''may'' apply for its category, but a discussion ''might'' be needed before renaming this category. (note the mainpage was moved from Falcon (rocket family) to SpaceX launch vehicles) Thanks! [[User:OkayKenji|OkayKenji]] <sup>([[User talk:OkayKenji|talk page]])</sup> 20:16, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
*Pinging {{u|PhilipTerryGraham}} nominator of move discussion over at [[SpaceX launch vehicles]]. Should we ping the other editors who participated in discussion at [[Talk:SpaceX launch vehicles#Requested move 9 September 2019]]? [[User:OkayKenji|OkayKenji]] <sup>([[User talk:OkayKenji|talk page]])</sup> 20:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' normally the category just follows the main article but the latter has now been boldly moved again after the RM move. If needed please re-discuss the article title. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per usual practice. Note for {{u|Marcocapelle}}: I have restored the "SpaceX launch vehicles" agreed at RM, undoing the out-of-process change to "Launch vehicles of SpaceX". — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 04:09, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
:* Ok then '''support''' this proposal assuming the article title remains at its current name. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:42, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Lists of mayors of cities in Canada ====
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Lists of mayors of cities in Canada}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category which effectively just duplicates {{cl|Lists of mayors of places in Canada}} for no compelling reason. While it is technically true that towns and villages also have mayors, we actually have very few lists of mayors of places that aren't cities -- between the fact that smalltown mayors are not automatically presumed notable under [[WP:NPOL]] and the fact that small towns much more frequently lack any
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' an unneccessary category as well explained by Bearcat.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 06:02, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Pre-Confederation mayors of Ottawa ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Pre-Confederation mayors of Ottawa]] to [[:Category:Mayors of Ottawa]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Category which uses an arbitrary date to separate some mayors of a city from other mayors of the same city. Ottawa is far from the only Canadian city that existed before Canadian Confederation in 1867 -- Toronto had 16 mayors before Confederation happened, Montreal had 31, Quebec City had 13, Halifax had 19, Kingston had 23, and on and so forth — but it is the only city that's using Canada's transition from British colony to independent country in 1867 as a categorical point of separation between some mayors and others. This isn't really necessary or helpful — Confederation didn't really change the status or context of mayors at all, so there's no need for the category system to segregate the pre-1867 mayors and the post-1867 mayors as two separate classes of topic. And no, the fact that Ottawa happens to be the capital of Canada still doesn't [[WP:DEFINING|define]] the pre-1867 mayors differently than it does the post-1867 mayors — even pre-Confederation, Ottawa was ''already'' the capital, so Confederation still didn't have any
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' we try and avoid supdiving office categories needlessly.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 06:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:EDI ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:EDI]] to [[:Category:Electronic Data Interchange]]▼
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''speedily renamed'''. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 21:20, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
▲:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:EDI]] to <s>[[:Category:Electronic Data Interchange]]</s> [[:Category:Electronic data interchange]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' That is the name of the article. EDI doesnt mean much to those outside the e-commerce field. [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 12:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nominator.[[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 12:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom and an obvious case of [[WP:C2D]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:12, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
*Sorry. I completely forgot about that option. I withdraw this in favour of the speedy procedure.[[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
**{{ping|Rathfelder}} For future reference, there was no need to withdraw and re-nominate on the speedy page. Full CFD nominations can be speedily closed too. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 18:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[:Category:United States Senators]] and all its progeny ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 10:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
There's already been a consensus developed at [[Talk:List of current United States senators#Requested move 11 August 2019]] that "Senator" should be lower-case in most instances. —[[User talk:GoldRingChip|GoldRingChip]] 17:25, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
* {{ping|GoldRingChip}} '''support''' but all categories have to be listed here (see other nominations) and tagged, otherwise administrators will not be able to process them. [[User:Marcocapelle|:Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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* {{ping|MER-C}} Why was this resisted? It's not controversial; there's already been a consensus elsewhere; this could've been done speedy; and it just takes bots to make it happen? —[[User talk:GoldRingChip|GoldRingChip]] 16:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
**[[:Category:United States Senators]] wasn't tagged for renaming. Even if speedy renaming applies, it requires the category to be tagged for two days. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 17:27, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
::*You could have processed the ones tagged and listed. Stragglers can be speedied. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 09:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - this is uncontroversial maintenance per [[WP:C2A]]. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 17:25, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I am still trying to figure why such a straighforward change has been subjected to so long a debate.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 06:04, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Films scored by Deva (music director) ====
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Films scored by Deva (music director)]] to [[:Category:Films scored by Deva (composer)]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Match the parent article [[Deva (composer)]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 03:50, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nominator.[[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 11:19, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Schools in Sikar Rajasthan ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''upmerge'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 05:10, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose (up)merging''' [[:Category:Schools in Sikar Rajasthan]] to [[:Category:Buildings and structures in Sikar district]] and [[:Category:Education in Sikar]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' With just 2 articles in this category and 2-3 pages in each parent, there is not enough content at this time to warrant a [[Wikipedia:Set category|set category]] for schools in this city. There is no need to upmerge to [[:Category:Schools in Rajasthan]] as both articles are already in another subcategory of that parent. If the category is kept, then '''rename''' to [[:Category:Schools in Sikar]] per the city article. <small>(Pinging the category's creator, [[User:ComputerVisionGuy]])</small> -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 02:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:14, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Villages in Gharsana tehsil ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Villages in Gharsana tehsil]] to [[:Category:Villages in Sri Ganganagar district]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' There is not enough content in [[:Category:Villages in Sri Ganganagar district]] (~15 articles) to warrant splitting the category by [[tehsil]]. There is no [[:Category:Gharsana tehsil]] to which to upmerge, and at this time there does not appear to be enough content related to [[Gharsana tehsil]] to warrant an eponymous category. <small>(Pining the category's creator, [[User:Shemaroo]])</small> -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 02:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:17, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Girwa tehsil ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 05:10, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Girwa tehsil}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' While this is not a case of [[WP:SMALLCAT]] (as the category ''could'' be expanded), it is not useful at this time to begin subdividing [[:Category:Udaipur district]] by [[tehsil]], given we have only about ~50 articles about settlements in the district split between [[:Category:Cities and towns in Udaipur district]] and [[:Category:Villages in Udaipur district]]. All articles are already otherwise categorized, so upmerging is not required. <small>(Category creator not notified: indefinitely blocked)</small> -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 02:06, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom and just generally this is very narrow categorization, preferably only to be pursued if India as a whole can be meaningfully subdivided like this. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:22, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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