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==== Category:Free encyclopedias ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' manually. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 11:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Free encyclopedias]] to [[:Category:Encyclopedias]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Only content is [[:Category:Free online encyclopedias]] [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 15:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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:The CFM template may not help you make a nomination for merger to two or more parents, but you can edit the nomination after creating it, or just enter "ALL PARENTS" as the target in the first place.
:I hope this is helpful. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 22:00, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Categories by parameter ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' as nominated. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 20:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Categories by noun categorization]] to [[:Category:Categories by parameter]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Categories by adjectival categorization]] to [[:Category:Categories by parameter]]
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::::@[[User:CreativeName1|CN1]]: see my message addressed to Lmatt.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_November_6&diff=925007830&oldid=925006348] I'm afraid that like those two editors, your suggestions so far on these meta-categories are not gaining support, because they are likewise not intuitively clear. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 14:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Oculi|Oculi]] Okay, okay, but what is it specifically, that is not clear in these categories that the proposal mentiones or in my proposed approach? People so far did nothing but comparing me to a user who, as far as I understand, might have done some confusing categories, but as I see also did created extremely many useful categories. Just saying the categories are bad and confusing is not enough, WHAT is it about them that confuses you? [[User:CreativeName1|CN1]] ([[User talk:CreativeName1|talk]]) 12:34, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::: Thanks CN1 ! [[User:Stefanomione|Stefanomione]] ([[User talk:Stefanomione|talk]]) 22:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
:* Thanks. I presume we can now delete all categories nominated or created during this discussion. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:11, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
::: You're saying? [[User:CreativeName1|CN1]] ([[User talk:CreativeName1|talk]]) 12:32, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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::::: Stefanomione isn't blocked. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 00:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
:::::: Indeed. Rather, he is under a [[WP:TOPICBAN]] from working on categories. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 08:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::: Thanks Fayenatic london ! [[User:Stefanomione|Stefanomione]] ([[User talk:Stefanomione|talk]]) 22:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
:*It seems to me that these kinds of categories are considered not useful in general. I disagree with that because what they are doing is providing an overview on the differnet ways of '''categorizations''' itself: categorization by (1) topic, (2) time or (3) space / ___location. Naturally, the by far largest portion will be about categorizations by topic and here we need to make sure to have at least 2 categories: One that lists all the numerous '''topics''' (politics, history, ..) that are getting categorized and another category which lists several parameters [X] by which categories ('''topic not specified, hence »categories«''') are getting categorized: subcategories names have form (category by X). [[User:CreativeName1|CN1]] ([[User talk:CreativeName1|talk]]) 13:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
:* Categorically rejecting a naming syntax or type of categorization solely based on ... whatever reason you personally might have with it, is no good practise. I ask in which way letting the categories well alone and let people naturally further develop them to their liking would be disruptive to the rest of Wikipedia. Let it sit. Give it time. See for example [[:Category:Categories by geographical categorization]], it's 5 years old and is doing rather well. [[User:CreativeName1|CN1]] ([[User talk:CreativeName1|talk]]) 13:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
=====New comments, December 2019 to present=====
*'''Suppport''' mergers of [[:Category:Categories by parameter]], [[:Category:Categories by category]] and [[:Category:Categories by parametric categorization]]. '''Neutral''' for the topical, periodical and regional mergers. Currently by parameter by category and by parametric categorization have the same purpose of being the root of the same tree. There is no real distinction between them and they should be merged to avoid confusion and improve navigation. For the others I'm unsure. On the one hand the tree is so large some sort of subcategories are needed on the other it's not intuitive what's in it and what's not making a larger category potentially making it easier to find what you're looking for. I think an overwhelming restructuring of the tree is required and this will probably require a lot of CfDs. Perhaps an upmerge of these three, and maybe some more and then combining related categories together in subsequent discussions could be a good way forward? ‑‑[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 18:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete [[:Category: Categories by category]].''' totally recursive.
: '''Reinstate [[:Category:Categories by parameter]]. makes much more sense.
: '''There is no reason''' to exclude categories for regions, topics, or time periods from [[:Category: Categories by parameter]]. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 02:52, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I'm not sure what exactly is going on but several of these categories (listed above) have just been emptied before this discussion has been closed. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 02:38, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
**For the record, Liz' comment refers to a [[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]] by a participant, which was reverted by JJMC89. The first two nominated categories were deleted on 6 Nov, see LMatt's initial comments; the others are not currently empty. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
* '''Support nomination''', the split has been made based on trivial characteristics. (I notice that my alt proposal to delete the categories does not get support, and merging is a next best option.) [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 09:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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==== Category:Lists of artists by biographer ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Compilations of biographies about artists]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Lists of artists by biographer]] to [[:Category:Lists of biographies about artists]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Categories by biographer]]
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:::All except one of these are indeed "older works", I think 250+ years. Few if any could be called "biographical dictionaries" as they have a relatively small group of biographies, say 50-200. [[:Category:Biographical compilations on artists]] surely isn't grammatical, and one of the points of the category is that it contains article that ''list'' the subjects covered, with the exception of ''[[Benezit Dictionary of Artists]]'', which doesn't list the 170,000 biographical entries the book contains, and should not be in the category. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 17:55, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support Peterkingiron's alternative''', the category contains articles about books, the category title should reflect that. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 19:09, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' All articles here are about individual books, although the first two enteries ([[Artists in biographies by Giovanni Baglione]] and [[Artists in biographies by Filippo Baldinucci]]) seem to imply otherwise due to their confusing names, thus making the original proposal confusing. The other proposed names aren't optimal either, but better. My personal preference would be [[:Category:Compilations of biographies about artists]] because it makes gramattical sense and is consistent with parent categories, but [[:Category:Biographical compilations on artists]] would also be fine. ‑‑[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 01:37, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
:* I would also be happy with [[:Category:Compilations of biographies about artists]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:25, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Please close or relist''' -- I would '''support''' the variation on my suggestion, [[:Category:Compilations of biographies about artists]]. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:ZEE5 original films ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' [[:Category:Zee5 original films]] to [[:Category:ZEE5 original films]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 11:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|ZEE5 original films}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Duplicate Category [[:Category:Zee5 original films]] already exists. [[User:Sid95Q|Sid95Q]] ([[User talk:Sid95Q|talk]]) 07:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Note''': See also [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 12#Category:Zee5 original programming]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 21:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Category has been emptied. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 15:20, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
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