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==== Category:Austrian Empire military leaders of the French Revolutionary Wars ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. Another nomination may be needed, in which case please make a group nomination covering as much of [[:Category:People of the French Revolutionary Wars]] as needs renaming. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 08:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Austrian Empire military leaders of the French Revolutionary Wars]] to [[:Category:Habsburg Monarchy military leaders of the French Revolutionary Wars]]

: The "Category:Austrian Empire military leaders of the French Revolutionary Wars" has to be renamed, since the [[French Revolutionary Wars]] ended in 25 March 1802, while the [[Austrian Empire]] was created only in 1804. The proposed accurate description should be: "Category:Habsburg Monarchy military leaders of the French Revolutionary Wars".([[User:KIENGIR|KIENGIR]] ([[User talk:KIENGIR|talk]]) 10:56, 8 September 2019 (UTC))

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# Delete [[:Category:Military leaders of the French Revolutionary Wars by nationality]] and subcats (except French) in a separate discussion. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' - For GB/UK, 1792-1815 was a period of continuous war, with a short break in the middle. For some other countries, war was more intermittent, as French victories knocked them out of the war or made them French allies. Nevertheless the period c.1790-1815 constitutes a distinct historical period in which there was a lot of military activity. However there is no satisfactory global name for these wars, which is why I was suggesting the use of dates, when the discussion was more active a couple of months ago. This is complicated by the change in title of the Austrian ruler from Holy Roman Emperor to Emperor of Austria, which was much more a change of name than anything else. WP tends to treat successive names of countries as if they were distinct entities, when in fact there is much continuity. I therefore do not think that a split is the right answer. I would prefer us to go back to the suggested [[:Category:Habsburg Imperial military leaders 1790-1815]], which avoids naming the wars or splitting imperial titles. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:45, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:Spaceflight portal ====

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==== Monegasque awards ====

[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 5%23Monegasque awards]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Order of Grimaldi]] to [[:Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Monaco]]

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Order of Saint-Charles]] to [[:Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Monaco]]

:'''Nominator's rationale: merge''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]], each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

==== Greek awards ====

[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 5%23Greek awards]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Order of Honour (Greece)]] to [[:Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Greece]]

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Order of the Phoenix (Greece)]] to [[:Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Greece]]

:'''Nominator's rationale: merge''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]], each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

==== Polish awards ====

[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 7%23Polish awards]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland]] to [[:Category:Civil awards and decorations of Poland]]

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Order of Polonia Restituta‎]] to [[:Category:Civil awards and decorations of Poland]]

:'''Nominator's rationale: merge''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]], each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

==== Romanian awards ====

[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 7%23Romanian awards]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Order of the Crown (Romania)]] to [[:Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Romania]]

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Order of the Star of Romania]] to [[:Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Romania]]

:'''Nominator's rationale: merge''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]], each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

==== Category:Cloud infrastructure attacks & failures ====

[[File:*Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Propose renamingRelisted''', see [[Wikipedia:CategoryCategories for discussion/Log/2019 December 5%23Category:Cloud infrastructure attacks & failures]]<!-- to [[Template:Category:CloudCfd computingrelisted issues]]-->

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' If the main article is [[Cloud computing issues]], then this seems to be the name, but other suggestions could be as well. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]^{[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]} 17:46, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

* '''Disperse''' among [[:Category:Internet security]] and [[:Category:Cyberwarfare]], this category does not add any value to the existing categories. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

==== Category:Allotropes ====

[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 14%23Category:Allotropes]]<!-- Template:Cfd relisted -->

:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Allotropes]] to [[:Category:Allotropy]]

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Following on from this upmerge on commons ([[:commons:Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/11/Category:Allotropes]]), I propose that "This category is for articles giving an overview of allotropy or of the allotropes of particular elements. For articles about specific allotropes" is too limiting a scope for [[:Category:Allotropes]] since would would exclude articles about several allotropes of a single element where there are not stand-alone articles for each allotrope (not members of "A category for materials which are an allotrope of a chemical element."), and we often have that situation. Thus we have a false distinction and poor navigability to find such articles. The article [[:Allotropy]] is the ''only'' article on the actual theory of this topic, so I don't think having it together with all the articles on specific instances of that main-art would be a problem. If we have a bunch of articles on allotropy/allotropes of a certain element, we could easily have a subcat for that element, which still retains navigability and the main-vs-subtopic purpose of cats.

:The previous CfD at [[:Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 September 12#Category:Allotropic materials by element]] decided to distinguish between materials and theory, but now 5 years later that doesn't seem to have worked out because there is only one on "theory" which is now being conflated with "multiple (vs single) material of a single element". [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 15:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

*In principle, '''Prefer reverse merge''' but the subject needs some adjustment first. For the concept of allotropes to arise there must be two forms of an element. Accordingly to articles need to be moved down to a category allotropes of foo, before the merger is completed. the present target has a much better structure, to which the contents of the subject need to be fitted, but allotropes is the better name. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 15:22, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

::As nominator, I'm ambivalent about which should be the name of the unified category. I chose "allotropy" to parallel commons and which is the current parent cat. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 16:11, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

*'''Merge'''. I don't think there is any need for distinction between allotropes and allotropy when categorizing Wikipedia articles. The fact that [[Allotropes of boron]] and [[:Category:Allotropes of nitrogen]] are in [[:Category:Allotropy]], while all the other "Allotropes of..." articles are in [[:Category:Allotropes]] indicates that other editors fail to make a distinction as well. I don't have a preference for which way the merge goes. -- [[User:Edgar181|Ed]] ([[User talk:Edgar181|Edgar181]]) 15:33, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

*Merge, with a weak preference for '''reverse merge''' to Allotropes. Also merge the Wikidata items https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8235975 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8236012 – please ping me on closure, I'm willing to do this. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:26, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

==== Category:Fauna of Saudi Arabia ====

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==== Category:Speakers of the Iraqi Kurdistan Parliament ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename all''', appending (Iraq). – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 16:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

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* [[:Category:Speakers of the Iraqi Kurdistan Parliament]] to [[:Category:Speakers of the Kurdistan Region Parliament (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Education in Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Education in Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Media in Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Media in Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Universities in Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Universities in Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Airports in Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Airports in Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Television stations in Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Television stations in Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Governorates of Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Governorates of Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Military history of Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Military history of Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Politics of Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Politics of Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Politics of Kurdistan Region]] to [[:Category:Politics of Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Wars involving Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Wars involving Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Battles involving Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Wars involving Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

* [[:Category:Military operations involving Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Wars involving Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]]

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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Speakers of the Iraqi Kurdistan Parliament]] to [[:Category:Speakers of the Kurdistan Region Parliament]]

:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Education in Iraqi Kurdistan]] to [[:Category:Education in Kurdistan Region]]

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*'''Oppose as nom''' - Kurdistan refers to the land inhabited by Kurds, who are split between Turkey (where they are treated as insurgents); Syria where an insurgent movement is currently dominant in part of the country; Iraq (subject of present discussion); and Iran. The Iraqi area is officially Kurdistan Region, but who knows what polity will emerge from the Syrian conflict for Syrian Kurdistan. I according consider that Iraq or Iraqi should remain part of the name. I would not oppose a change to [[:Category:Education in Kurdistan Region (Iraq)]] [[:Category:Education in Iraqi Kurdistan Region]], etc. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 14:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Adding a disambiguator "(Iraq)" makes sense indeed. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:01, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' {{ping|Oculi|Semsûrî}} what are your opinion about Peterkingiron's proposal above to add "(Iraq)" as a disambiguator? ‑‑[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 19:42, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

:{{ping|Trialpears}}, I can support the "(Iraq)" proposal. --[[User:Semsûrî|Semsurî]] ([[User talk:Semsûrî|talk]]) 19:48, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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==== Category:National parks in Conwy County Borough ====

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==== Category:Venetian archaeological sites in Greece ====

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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''no consensus'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 03:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Venetian archaeological sites in Greece]] to [[:Category:Venetian sites in Greece]]

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' "Archaeological" is redundant and possibly misleading, e.g. a still standing set of city walls is not, strictly speaking, an "archaeological site". [[User:Cplakidas|Constantine]] [[User talk:Cplakidas| ✍ ]] 13:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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:'''Dual upmerge''' to [[:Category:Archaeological sites in Greece]] and [[:Category:Venetian archaeological sites]]. --[[User:Dmehus|'''Doug Mehus''']]''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;"> [[User talk:Dmehus|T]]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">[[Special:Contributions/Dmehus|C]]</span>'' 15:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:* The point of the nomination was that the sites aren't archaeological sites. This alternative does not solve that problem. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:07, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

* '''Oppose''' renaming. Faulty argument from the nominator. The archaeological in [[archaeological site]] isn't redundant: a ''site'' is any place, an ''archaeological site'' is a place with physical evidence of past human activity. By the same token, standing remains like walls are archaeological sites. Renaming would be confusing and break consistency with the rest of the [[:Category:Archaeological sites]] tree. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 16:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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