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==POV Dispute==

This article needs ALOT of work. It reads like a back and forth argument right now. --[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]] | [[User talk:Falcorian|Talk]] 05:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:I think the article has come a long way in a short time. I think Copysan put in a particularly good edit. I'm a little concerned of the direction Kupci is moving the article... Equating this article to the Seigenthaler debacle, especially after the recent improvements is a step backward, and I do believe that Gibson's critics have bases for their accusations and deserve a measure of consideration in this article. --'''[[User:Alexwcovington|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0000ff;">A</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#2222ff;">l</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#4444ff;">e</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#6666ff;">x</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#8888ff;">W</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#AAAAff;">C</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#CCCCff;">o</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#CCCCff;">v</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#AAAAff;">i</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#8888ff;">n</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#6666ff;">g</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#4444ff;">t</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#2222ff;">o</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#0000ff;">n</fontspan>]]''' ([[User talk:Alexwcovington|talk]]) 18:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

::I agree the article has come along way. I do agree with Kupci's removal of GRCSucks.com, because regardless of the merit of the claims against Gibson on it, it does have a title that doesn't seem appropriate. However, his edits seem to be pushing the article a little into the NPOV zone.Oh yes, his comparing this to Seigenthaler seems way off base as well. --[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]] | [[User talk:Falcorian|Talk]] 23:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

::GRCSucks.com should not be removed. 'A title that doesn't seem appropriate'? Oh get a life. GRCSucks has more and more benevolent factual information on the charlatan than anyone. Anyone duped to think otherwise is a - dupe. [[User talk:GRCSucks_Advocate|talk]]<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.170.201.79|213.170.201.79]] ([[User talk:213.170.201.79|talk]]) 17:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->

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*[http://www.grcsucks.com/ Steve Gibson Criticism] - Removed for the above reason. I also don't believe that sites that at least try to pass themselves off as smear sites help Wikipedia's credibility, and further I think criticism of Gibson has been thoroughly covered by the previous links.

--[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]]^{<small>[[User_talk:Falcorian|(talk)]]</small>} 18:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

:I think GRCsucks.com may deserve a link in the criticism section, but I agree the other links are unnecessary. --'''[[User:Alexwcovington|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0000ff;">A</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#2222ff;">l</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#4444ff;">e</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#6666ff;">x</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#8888ff;">W</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#AAAAff;">C</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#CCCCff;">o</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#CCCCff;">v</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#AAAAff;">i</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#8888ff;">n</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#6666ff;">g</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#4444ff;">t</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#2222ff;">o</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#0000ff;">n</fontspan>]]''' ([[User talk:Alexwcovington|talk]]) 21:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::I seem to be in the minority on removing it, so by all means throw it back up. --[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]] ^{<small>[[User_talk:Falcorian|(talk)]]</small>} 00:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:Agreeing with Alexwcovington here. GRCSucks.com, while having an unfortunate name, does have some excellent and well thought out analysis of Gibson's claims and assertions. [[User:Copysan|Copysan]] 21:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

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==Still POV?==

Falcorian, do you feel the article has improved sufficiently to remove the NPOV tag? If not, What still needs to be done? --'''[[User:Alexwcovington|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#0000ff;">A</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#2222ff;">l</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#4444ff;">e</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#6666ff;">x</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#8888ff;">W</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#AAAAff;">C</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#CCCCff;">o</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#CCCCff;">v</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#AAAAff;">i</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#8888ff;">n</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#6666ff;">g</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#4444ff;">t</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#2222ff;">o</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#0000ff;">n</fontspan>]]''' ([[User talk:Alexwcovington|talk]]) 21:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:Looks better now. The only real thing I can think of left is those two radsoft articles, which I don't really feel like reading through, but which on the surface seem rather POV as pointed out above. I think the tag can safely come off. --[[User:Falcorian|Falcorian]] ^{<small>[[User_talk:Falcorian|(talk)]]</small>} 00:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

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I recall that roughly a decade ago I edited a section on criticism of Steve's claims, as well as descriptions of GRC products in the article which were marketing copy. It looks the article's NPOV problems eventually caused the baby to be thrown out with the bathwater: it has lost all references to the controversies which were one of the most noteworthy features of this person (and possibly the main justification for having an article in the first place).

[[User:Triskelios|Triskelios]] ([[User talk:Triskelios|talk]]) 06:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

{{U|Triskelios}} I am also here for the controversies after hearing of his [https://crypto.stackexchange.com/a/52551 abhorrent AES password generator]. We should probably find some reliable sources to resurrect the section. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria]][[User talk:Artoria2e5|2e5]] <small style="font-weight:lighter">[[Special:Contributions/Artoria2e5|🌉]]</small> 09:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

== Is Gibson still alive? ==