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== Sources ==

Hello, i'm currently working on a draft for the Italian politician Pietro Amendola. However, i couldn't find a lot of sources for Pietro Amendola. Another thing, the best one i could find was from the Associazione Nazionale Partigiani d'Italia ("National Association Partisans of Italy") but it was marked as WP:SELFPUBLISHED. Why was this the case?

The National Association Partisans of Italy is recognized as a charitable foundation. And Pietro was a member of the organization. Besides, the National Association Partisans of Italy have also been cited in several other articles.

Does anyone have any sources on Pietro?

And why is the source by National Association Partisans of Italy not valid?&nbsp;[[User:Khalif Ali Husain the Third|Khalif Ali Husain the Third]] ([[User talk:Khalif Ali Husain the Third|talk]]) 10:02, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

: {{ping|Khalif Ali Husain the Third}} Even the Italian version of Wikipedia only has one source (see [[:it:Pietro_Amendola]]) which suggests to me he is a minor figure who will not pass [[WP:NPOLITICIAN|English Wikipedia's notability requirements]]. I suspect the reason the NAP of Italy is not a good source for showing he is notable is exactly as you say: he is a member of that organization. The source may be valid for other articles (for example to [[WP:V|verify]] some simple fact). [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Khalif Ali Husain the Third|Khalif Ali Husain the Third]] Welcome to the Teahouse! I checked the 2 sources in your [[Draft:Pietro Amendola]] (sounds like an interesting man). [[ANPI]] may not be a glaringly awful source on history in general (I can't really say), but the problem with both sources is that they are writing about their own member, which leads us to the '''independent''' part of [[WP:BASIC]]. Basically, organizations tend to write about their own members in a mostly positive way. Those sources may not be useless for some basic facts per [[WP:ABOUTSELF]], but they don't make a case for [[WP:GNG]].

:On more sources, perhaps you can find something useful at [https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22Pietro+Amendola%22&sin=TXT&page=2]. ''La famiglia Amendola'' looks promising. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 12:23, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

: {{ping|Michael D. Turnbull}} Pietro Amendola does pass Wikipedia's notability requirements. Since he was a politician who served as a deputy in parliament. And according to Wikipedia :

::"The following are presumed to be notable:

::Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them.

::Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage."

:::In this context, a "deputy" is a member of the lower house of the [[Italian Parliament]], equivalent to a member of the [[House of Commons of the United Kingdom|House of Commons]] in the UK or a member of the [[United States House of Representatives|House of Representatives]] in America. Apologies if I am telling people things they already know. Pete AU aka --[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 09:19, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== Rosa Glaser Reliable Sources/References ==

The article I have written was not yet accepted because it was said that there were not sufficient reliable sources and references added to the article.

It is the first time I try to publish an article on the English Wiki. I do not understand why the mentioned sources are not reliable. You may check them out.

I have published this article on the Dutch Wikipedia and it has been published in Wiki. See Dutch Wiki article Rosa Glaser

In that Dutch Wiki I haven mentioned a lot of Dutch sources. ( after the story of Rosa Glaser origines in the Netherlands and Germany) If it might be helpful I will add these Dutch sources also to the English sources and references. There ar also a lot of German sources and references available.

In adition I mention that a Dutch Memorial Museum of the concentration camp Vught has investigated the story and made an exhibition of it that have been shown in several Dutch cities and is touring right now in German cities. That museum also added in their museum the story of Rosa Glaser.

I don't know how to proceed and what to do, so Please will you help me?

Thank you very much

[[User:Doberran|Doberran]] ([[User talk:Doberran|talk]]) 10:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Doberran|Doberran]] ([[User talk:Doberran|talk]]) 10:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Doberran|Doberran]] A few points, in no particular order: You need to master the art of inline citations, [[WP:TUTORIAL]]/[[Help:Referencing for beginners]] can be of help with that. This is essential. Use "Glaser" throughout the article, not "Roosje", it's how we do it. Encyclopedic tone tends towards distant, dry, dusty and bland. Text like ''"Roosje grew into an emancipated woman who defied conventions with flair. ... She lost the love of her life in 1936, found consolation in the arms of another and married Leo; the wrong man."'' should be, well, less poetic. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:Link: [[Draft:Roosje Glaser]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:36, 28 July 2021

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Dear Gråbergs Gråa Sång,

Thank you very much for your help and advices. In the coming week I will improve the article and specially learn how to use References.

As soon as I think de draft is ready for publishing I will let you know.

Have a nice day and greetings from the Netherlands,

[[User:Doberran|Doberran]] ([[User talk:Doberran|talk]]) 13:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

== help with Glenn Bray article ==

hello

i am still trying to find someone to help me with Glenn Bray article, the only help i got so far has been telling me about sources, but as many times as i have reread about it, nothing makes sense, i do not work on computers, and it has been very frustrating figuring out what is wrong, having no clue of the problem presented. There is a documentary made by netflix about Glenns art collection, i am not sure how much more noteworthy the person needs to be... all the different books published with art he owns... so i am at a complete loss&nbsp;[[User:Sirskull|Sirskull]] ([[User talk:Sirskull|talk]]) 17:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:Welcome back to the Teahouse, {{u|Sirskull}}. When writing an article, the content needs to be based on what reliable sources document about the subject. Taking this on a sentence-by-sentence basis, you've written that "Bray was born in Van Nuys, California on April 1, 1948". What's the source for that statement? You need to add a reference to the source at the end of the sentence. Then you have "His father Gene Bray owned Sylmar Builders Supply, a hardware store that began business in 1959". What's the source for that? You need to reference that too (it might be the same source as his birthplace, in which case you can place the reference after the second sentence rather than the first). And so on for the whole article.... Does that make sense? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 17:39, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{courtesy link|Draft:Glenn Bray}} [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 23:18, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== Does this rewritten draft meet the neutral POV requirement? ==

I first submitted [[Draft:Brian_T._Edwards|this page]] and got a response saying it was rejected because it didn't meet the notability criteria. In trying to address that issue, I ended up making the page not have a neutral point of view. I then tried to fix the tonal problem but failed abysmally. The latest comment cites notability as an issue again, although commenters have said it does meet the notability criteria (academics). I've since gone over the guidelines with more attention and rewritten the article. I just wanted to make sure this is okay as I don't want to aggravate people even more by submitting something that's not good again.

Thank you for your help!&nbsp;[[User:Whatevergb|Whatevergb]] ([[User talk:Whatevergb|talk]]) 18:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:@{{u|Whatevergb}}, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I see both {{u|Bkissin}} and {{u|Hoary}} both of whom are editors well versed in policy have accessed the article. I find it more helpful if you initiate a dialogue with either of them, they’d tell you what and where the problems are and if addressed they’d accept the article. Bringing this to the Teahouse is a good move but an even better approach is what I just said. '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 23:15, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:[[User:Whatevergb|Whatevergb]], I wish that the draft said rather more about what was written in the reviews of his books, but this can be added later. The man seems notable and the description isn't promotional. If you submitted this again and I noticed the resubmission, I'd convert it to an article. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:@{{u|Celestina007}} and @{{u|Hoary}}: Thank you so, so much! I'll get on it! [[User:Whatevergb|Whatevergb]] ([[User talk:Whatevergb|talk]]) 14:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== Visual editor "1 notice" popup? ==

Using the visual editor, there seems to always be this popup that says "1 notice" and "Find sources:".

It is quite annoying. Is there any way to disable it from being shown by default?&nbsp;[[User:Intralexical|Intralexical]] ([[User talk:Intralexical|talk]]) 19:22, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:@{{u|Intralexical}}, hello and welcome to the Teahouse we apologize for the delay in answering your question, the problem is your question appears to be vague and a little hard to understand, could you expressly state what the problem is? '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 23:07, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

::{{re|Intralexical}} I assume you're referring to the black triangle with the white exclamation mark in it next to the blue 'Publish changes' button in the top right of the screen in desktop view. If so, it hardly seems intrusive, and one simply needs to avoid clicking it. However, perhaps you're editing in 'mobile view' and are seeing more prominent notices than I am. I think it's there as a prompt to encourage readers of articles which have few references to go and find more to add and improve the page. I'm not aware there is a way to stop them showing, though others might know of a way. If the problem is with mobile view, try editing in 'desktop view' instead (which is what I do) when on my phone. Sorry I can't offer you a better solution. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 23:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:::Thank you two for the replies! The '''⚠️''' icon is indeed what I was talking about. I believe the behaviour I described was due to the article I was editing being in the Draft namespace. It would always pop open even if I didn't click it, hence why I found it annoying. Anyway, I guess it's not so bad if it won't show up most of the time. [[User:Intralexical|Intralexical]] ([[User talk:Intralexical|talk]]) 00:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Intralexical|Intralexical]] @[[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] I previously had this problem, where the notice appeared in all articles. I recommend using the 2010 wikitext editor instead. &#8213;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:gray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 09:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== Adding pages ==

Hi! Can I know if I can add pages without it being reverted?&nbsp;[[User:NataliaNutella1226|NataliaNutella1226]] ([[User talk:NataliaNutella1226|talk]]) 21:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:@{{u|NataliaNutella1226}}? hello and welcome to the Teahouse, it isn’t an anomaly for editors to make good faith edits and have it reverted if it appears not to be constructive, in order for you not make edits that don’t get reverted you have to familiarize yourself with some of our policies, practicing in your sandbox and “starting slowly”, such as correcting spelling errors. In time you would be able to make perfect edits that would not get reverted. You may want to see [[WP:TUTORIAL]] and [[WP:CTW]]. '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 22:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

::More than 20 of your edits to [[Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe]] were reverted. You could ask on the reverting editors' Talk pages why. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:31, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:::{{re|NataliaNutella1226}}, having a quick look, I think you've been over-linking. Generally it's best only to turn critical words here and there into wiki-links, the sorts of words that a reader is likely to find unclear, and for which they're likely to need additional explanation. For example, in a hypothetical film-character description "Tom, who suffers from extreme atelophobia, first appears in series 2 of 'The hideaways', before reappearing briefly in a cross-over episode in the 2019 prequel series, where he's played by James Smith", you might choose to put square brackets around 'atelophobia' on the grounds that an average reader might not know what it is, and it's presumably critical to Tom's role. You wouldn't put them round "Tom", "series 2", "cross-over", "prequel", or even "The hideaways"; you might put it round James Smith if he's a notable actor, but even in this case, you would do it only once, on the first instance of James' name in the article. You also wouldn't do it in any situation where it creates a red link (i.e. there is no Wikipedia article corresponding to the person or concept) unless you are utterly sure that there ought to be a Wikipedia article and you can envisage someone (yourself?) writing one in the very near future. Basically, if you just put square brackets round everything, you'll get reverted a lot. [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== POV allegation on several articles around same topic ==

Hello. I have been using Wikipedia as a regular guest as a relatively reliable knowledge source for years. Unfortunately, I have noticed that certain several articles revolving around same certain subject are biased toward a certain viewpoint. I don't know if this is a work of an individual or not, but I wonder if I can request an NPOV evaluation or something of the sort encompassing several articles at once, perhaps by category grouping. Of course, I can just discuss my concerns on the articles' respective talk pages, but the number of articles is somewhat large and it might be impractical to complain on all of them. Thank you for your attention.&nbsp;[[User:Tsubasanomura|Tsubasanomura]] ([[User talk:Tsubasanomura|talk]]) 07:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Tsubasanomura}}, and thanks for getting involved in helping to improve article content. There's a specific forum for discussing this issue, which is [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard]]. I suggest raising the case there. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 07:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== Assistance for new editors unable to post here==

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Will I destroy everything?&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/106.213.77.0|106.213.77.0]] ([[User talk:106.213.77.0|talk]]) 07:29, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

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== Please can someone explain why my ip was seen editing on a page i never visited ==

'''However''', you can still get direct assistance on your talk page. '''{{edit|Special:MyTalk|Use this link to ask for help|section=new|preload=Help:Contents/helpmepreload|preloadtitle=Help me!}}'''; a volunteer will reply to you there shortly.

Hi there, today I noticed I had messages on Wikipedia (which is something I never knew you could get) I clicked on it and noticed that I was banned in January for editing an article I had never visited before, I also had a message from this month about editing the same article? keep in mind that at this point I didn't have a Wikipedia account and didn't and still don't have any interest in editing Wikipedia articles, could someone explain why or how this could happen? thanks.&nbsp;[[User:JDFtrains|JDFtrains]] ([[User talk:JDFtrains|talk]]) 08:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|JDFtrains}} IP address can be used by multiple people, for various reasons. If you were not responsible for the actions that led to the block, you have nothing to worry about now that you have created an account. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:51, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

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== Opening RfCs ==

Hello, I recently submitted a project that was accepted on [[ThrustMe]]. This article has been rated as Stub-Class on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Grading scheme|quality scale]]. In the near future, I will try to improve this article. However, I might make some mistakes, especially on the [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view]] aspect as I am related to the topic of this article. Is there a way to submit changes, like submitting a draft, to ensure that the changes do not conflict with wikipedia rules?&nbsp;[[User:Antoinebore|Antoinebore]] ([[User talk:Antoinebore|talk]]) 09:40, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

: Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Antoinebore}}. Another editor has left messages in a section of your talk page explaining the correct way to handle your [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]: thanks for being upfront about this in relation to the article. Basically you need to follow the guidelines linked from those messages, which means only adding suggested new content (using the edit request template) on the Talk Page of the article ([[Talk:ThrustMe]]), giving specific details along the lines "please change X to Y" or "please add Z", with citations to [[WP:RS|relaible sources]]. Other experienced editors will check these requests and act on them. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:: Hello, {{u|Michael D. Turnbull}}, thanks for the clarification. I have another point I'm not sure about: should I also use the change request template for minor changes, such as grammar, spelling, writing style? [[User:Antoinebore|Antoinebore]] ([[User talk:Antoinebore|talk]]) 12:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::: {{re|Antoinebore}} Strictly speaking you should ask before making any change but if the change is "minor" in Wikipedia's rather narrow definition of that term ([[WP:Minor]], which includes undoing vandalism of the article but not tone/grammar changes), I don't think anyone would object, especially if you again mention your COI in the edit summary. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I started this [[Talk:Danny_Masterson#Infobox_image|discussion]] which involves BLPCRIME considerations. Only two other editors are involved and it is yet a young conversation, but indications are it will be robustly contested, as was a [[Talk:Danny_Masterson/Archive_2#Request_for_comment_on_use_of_%22rapist%22,_%22sex_offender%22_or_%22convicted%22_in_lead_paragraph_and_short_description|previous RfC]] over issues having parallel concerns. Due to the high profile of the subject and their criminal trial and conviction, I think an RfC is desirable. My specific questions are:

== Public Statues and Sculpture Association ==

# Is it too soon to call an RfC in this specific case?

# Is it generally ok to apply an RfC tag to an ongoing discussion or better to start a new one?

{{ping|Cambial Yellowing|Meters}} Courtesy ping involved editors.

[[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 17:55, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

I:Third needquestion: helpwhen withopening editingan the pageRfC on thean Publicissue Statueswith andparallel Sculptureconcerns Associationto page.an OurRfC editson havethe beensame rejected twicesubject, andis weit don'tgenerally understandacceptable why.to Theping userthe nameeditors isinvolved Edgarin Boehmthe andprior discussion? (redacted).&nbsp;[[User:Edgar BoehmXan747|Edgar BoehmXan747]] ([[User talk:Edgar BoehmXan747|talk]]) 0918:4803, 2926 JulyAugust 20212025 (UTC)

::{{replyto|Xan747}} Have you read the directions at [[WP:RFC]]? In particular, have you exhausted the suggestions at [[WP:RFCBEFORE]]? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 07:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:Courtesy: [[Draft:Public Statues and Sculpture Association]], declined twice, with reasons given by the declining reviewers. Given the connection to the now defunct [[Public Monuments and Sculpture Association]], perhaps renaming and expanding that article can be made to work. Hyperlinks are not allowed in articles (a flaw of the draft), and all added content must be verified by inline references. See [[Help:Referencing for beginners]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:::I did read the suggested directions. There is a short but stalled discussion between three editors, including myself, so a 3O is not an option. This isn't [[WP:DR]] territory. My remaining thought is to ping editors involved in the previous (never closed) RfC on a semi-related issue, and some editors in the article history directly related to the issue, to try to restart the conversation, but I worry about [[WP:CANVAS]]. [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 16:44, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::On second thought, my renaming suggestion is bad advice. Articles about no-longer-existing companies and organizations are meant to be kept. Perhaps you can use that article as a model for what the draft should look like (no hyperlinks, needs refs, etc.). [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::::The first bullet at RFCBEFORE states {{tq|Asking for input or assistance at one or more relevant [[Wikipedia:List of WikiProjects|'''WikiProjects''']], which are often listed at the top of the article's talk page.}} I see that [[Talk:Danny_Masterson]] lists three WikiProjects, together with some taskforces (subprojects), so which WikiProjects did you inform? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:12, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Somehow I missed that. I have put in a request at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#Danny_Masterson_infobox_image]]. Thanks for the help. [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 22:06, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== [[Chagam]]Created anda [[Chagum]]page ==

Hello,

There are two articles [[Chagam]] and a recently created a copy of it "[[Chagum]]". I have added the redirect of [[Chagum]] to the respective article, but it still does not do so. What can I do?

I have created a page for one of most renowed nadi astrologers. [[User:Vishnubhavanadi|User:Vishnubhavanadi - Wikipedia]]

Thanks in advance!!!&nbsp;[[User:Jocelin Andrea|Jocelin Andrea]] ([[User talk:Jocelin Andrea|talk]]) 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Jocelin Andrea}}, Redirects to other namespaces, in this case Drafts, are not allowed in Mainspace. [[User:Dodger67|Roger (Dodger67)]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 13:30, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::Thank you then, I see that the article Chagum has been deleted. Is there anything that I can do? [[User:Jocelin Andrea|Jocelin Andrea]] ([[User talk:Jocelin Andrea|talk]]) 13:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:::{{u|Jocelin Andrea}}, If it definitely is the same place, you can improve the [[Chagam]] article. It desperately needs a few sources to verify the content. [[User:Dodger67|Roger (Dodger67)]] ([[User talk:Dodger67|talk]]) 14:20, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Want to know what are the next steps or how do get it published ?

== to publish the article ==

Thanks in advance

I have completed the edit, can I publish it? or should it be reviewed by any experienced contributors? if so, can someone help in reviewing it?&nbsp;[[User:LizKurian|LizKurian]] ([[User talk:LizKurian|talk]]) 13:29, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:: Assuming you mean the draft currently in your sandbox, you have not submitted it for review and I would caution against doing so until you have addressed many issues with it. You need to read [[H:YFA|the advice about writing articles]] very carefully. For example, direct external links in the body of the article are not allowed: they must be converted into citations. The [[WP:tone]] is currently far from encyclopaedic (too much "takes pride in" phrases which we call [[WP:peacock]]) and many of the references are bare URLs rather than proper citations for weblinks. Some of the references are unreliable (see [[WP:RSPS]] for a discussion: Youtube is rarely useful). You need to convince the reviewers (I am not one of them) that this person is [[WP:NBIO|notable]] in Wikipedia's somewhat strict sense. Apologies if all of this is disheartening but writing acceptable articles here is difficult for newcomers and you would be better trying to improve existing articles before you tackle that task, {{u|LizKurian}}. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Deepak

== 1916 Election ==

I was wondering why the 1916 election page has two random US senators as running for president as opposed to Hughes and Wilson. I think someone might have mucked with the page because the table with the main details seems to be wrong?&nbsp;[[User:Connorhird|Connorhird]] ([[User talk:Connorhird|talk]]) 14:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:([[1916 United States presidential election]]) Vandalism. Now reverted. Thanks for spotting and alerting. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 14:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== My first article ==

[[User:Vishnubhavanadi|Vishnubhavanadi]] ([[User talk:Vishnubhavanadi|talk]]) 06:08, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Could someone please look at my draft article and point out any glaring errors?

:@[[User:Vishnubhavanadi|Vishnubhavanadi]] Hello! You put the draft on your [[WP:USERPAGE]]; I moved it for you to [[User:Vishnubhavanadi/draft]]. You would need to show that Ram Krishan Goel meets [[WP:GNG]] by providing [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] about him. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 06:22, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

[[draft:EdwardLaneFox]]

::Hi there,

::Thanks for responding. All links are available on the page I created which shows his stature. I will keep adding more as it happens.

::Regards [[User:Vishnubhavanadi|Vishnubhavanadi]] ([[User talk:Vishnubhavanadi|talk]]) 07:07, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:::I'm afraid your draft has little chance of being accepted, it shows zero evidence of passing [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 07:12, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Yep. [[User:HQIQ|<span style="color:green;">'''''HQIQ'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:HQIQ|talk]]) 07:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::@[[User:HQIQ|HQIQ]] How does one become a "renowned astrologer"? [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 04:24, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

::::::@[[User:David10244|David10244]] That is pretty easy actually. First you become renowned and then you become an astrologer. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 04:43, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @[[User:Vishnubhavanadi|Vishnubhavanadi]].

:::{{HD/WINI}}

:::What the subject has published is almost irrelevant, except where independent sources have discussed those publications; and then it is what those indpendent sources have said about them and about the subject in relation to them that should go into the article.

:::You appear to be trying to write an article about yourself. This is an extremely bad idea, as it is almost never successful, so we strongly discourage it: see [[WP:autobiography|autobiography]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:56, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

::::@[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] They ended their message above with {{Tq|Thanks in advance Deepak}} so it is likely they are not writing about themselves. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 14:19, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Ah, right. Thanks @[[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]].

:::::@[[User:Vishnubhavanadi|Vishnubhavanadi]], if you are not Vishnu Bhavanadi, then you should [[WP:CHU|change your username]] immediately to something which is not the name of somebody else. (You don't have to use your real name - I do, but most editors do not). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:59, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

::::@[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]]

::::Hi ColinFine,

::::I’m not writing this article about myself, nor has anyone paid or asked me to do so. I chose to write about someone who is well-known and highly respected in his field.

::::Also, vishnubhavanadi is not a name of any person it's just a username. I picked it randomly.

::::Thanks

::::Deepak [[User:Vishnubhavanadi|Vishnubhavanadi]] ([[User talk:Vishnubhavanadi|talk]]) 06:12, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::My apologies @[[User:Vishnubhavanadi|Vishnubhavanadi]]: I misread something, and though you were writing about a person called Vishnu Bhavanadi. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:34, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::@[[Romella pajado|ColinFine]] [[Special:Contributions/131.226.113.191|131.226.113.191]] ([[User talk:131.226.113.191|talk]]) 21:42, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Waiting on Response from Admin for page Jainism ==

My hope is to add important detail on all the most influential Courtiers in the UK Royal Family.

I have suggested improvements on [[Talk:Jainism]] (Section: Mathematical Contributions) but have not heard back from the editor to my responses in August 17, 2025. Who else can I reach out to? [[User:Buddhimatta|Buddhimatta]] ([[User talk:Buddhimatta|talk]]) 21:27, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you!&nbsp;[[User:UKRoyalFan|UKRoyalFan]] ([[User talk:UKRoyalFan|talk]]) 14:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

: I was surprised there wasn't already an article about [[Edward Lane Fox]] (there is currently a redirect to an article on the Royal households) as he is automatically [[WP:N|notable]] as a holder of the [[Royal Victorian Order]] (a type of knighthood). Your draft is currently short but on the right lines, I think. Make sure you follow all the advice [[WP:BLP|about biographies of living people]] and you should be fine, {{U|UKRoyalFan}}. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:03, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:I can recommend drafting your proposed changes in your Sandbox so their merit is easier to evaluate. Additionally, you should find the respective guidelines for the type of article you are trying to write or modify in support of your proposed task, or even a similar article which has the same motifs. [[User:OceanLoop|<b style="background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,#268bd2,#6c71c4,#d33682,#dc322f);border:1px solid #fdf6e3;border-radius:1em;font-variant:small-caps;padding:0 1em;color:#fdf6e3;">🌊 oceanloop</b>]] 22:06, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]]. I will do more work on it! [[User:UKRoyalFan|UKRoyalFan]] ([[User talk:UKRoyalFan|talk]]) 15:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::noted [[User:Buddhimatta|Buddhimatta]] ([[User talk:Buddhimatta|talk]]) 22:04, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Buddhimatta|Buddhimatta]] That article has over 1,300 page watchers, so I would have expected others to chip in by now if they were interested. You could point to the discussion at one of the relevant Project talk pages and ask for comments, or you could follow the processes at [[WP:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::thanks [[User:Buddhimatta|Buddhimatta]] ([[User talk:Buddhimatta|talk]]) 22:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== Myhow pagedo keepsi gettingmake refused?a article ==

how do i make a article [[User:SonomaJSC|SonomaJSC]] ([[User talk:SonomaJSC|talk]]) 14:36, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I'm trying to get a page set back up for Mike Heaton of Embrace, as for some reason his original one had been removed. I've included sources etc and there is nothing on there that isn't factual, nor is it any less lengthy than other links to the band. i've looked on help pages here and nothing is assisting me&nbsp;[[User:Smithykit|Smithykit]] ([[User talk:Smithykit|talk]]) 14:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:Welcome to The Teahouse {{U|Smithykit}}, findmypast.co.uk, Linkin.com and Allmusic are not [[WP:RS|reliable]] sources. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 15:03, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:See [[WP:Your first article]], but we strongly advise that you get much more experience by editing existing articles first. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:39, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:i've copied Allmusic and findmypast.co.uk from other, accepted pages on Wiki? [[User:Smithykit|Smithykit]] ([[User talk:Smithykit|talk]]) 15:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:Click a red link ([[This is a example]]), or see [[Wikipedia:How to create a page|here]]. [[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 14:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::[[WP:ACPERM|Not all Wikipedia]] [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Proposal to require autoconfirmed status in order to create articles|articles are reviewed]]. Our standards and enforcement thereof have only gotten tougher over the years. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] ^{<small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Jéské Couriano]]</small>} 19:26, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Smithykit}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The sources you have offered are not acceptable for establishing that this person meets Wikipedia's special definition of [[WP:BAND|a notable musician]]. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about him. His LinkedIn profile is not an independent source. His birth records are just that, they are not significant coverage. Please see [[WP:YFA|Your first article]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Smithykit}} That other articles use inappropriate sources does not mean it's okay for you as well. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate edits to get by us. We can only address what we know about, please feel free to help by pointing out these other articles with inappropriate sources for possible action. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:09, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== iarchive wikilink ==

:I've added sources and removed the ones that weren't acceptable, I hope this is ok? Any advice is most welcome :-) [[User:Smithykit|Smithykit]] ([[User talk:Smithykit|talk]]) 15:18, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:: The problem is to do with the types of sources. You need to take to heart that they have to be [[WP:INDY|independent of the subject, so not based just on interviews with him]] and they must have [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage about him]], not just mentions. You will irritate the [[WP:AfC]] reviewers if you keep putting the draft back for consideration before you have about three sources that firmly establish [[WP:NMUSIC|he is a notable musician]]. Wikipedia had articles in the past about him which were deleted just for failure to establish notability. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

What is the use of {{code|<nowiki>[[iarchive:XYZ]]</nowiki>}}? I have seen it used in the text of pages, but based on searching it looks like it is mainly intended to be used in refs. I could not find anything that elucidated how to use this. Thanks [[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 16:54, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:[[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]ah i understand, thank you :-) [[User:Smithykit|Smithykit]] ([[User talk:Smithykit|talk]]) 15:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] See [[Special:Interwiki]]. So if you link to [[iarchive:bub_gb_ePJWAAAAMAAJ]] the link target is https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_ePJWAAAAMAAJ. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 17:03, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::{{replyto|Smithykit}} Although there are some issues to be aware of regarding Allmusic, [[WP:RSP|Reliable sources/Perennial sources]] lists it as reliable for some purposes. [[User:Gab4gab|Gab4gab]] ([[User talk:Gab4gab|talk]]) 20:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::Ah that is useful. But I am wondering where it is appropriate to use this feature. [[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 17:12, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Smithykit}}, I remember seeing this draft in Articles for Creation. One of the things I look at when I see an article for someone who is part of a larger musical group, is this line from [[WP:NBAND|Wikipedia's notability criteria for bands and musical artists]]: ''Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability. Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a [[reality television]] series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable.'' So basically, is the person notable outside of their work with the band? Are they known for a solo career outside of the band? If not, we'll just redirect their article to the band. I hope that helps as you work on your draft. [[User:Bkissin|Bkissin]] ([[User talk:Bkissin|talk]]) 20:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] Whenever you are too lazy to type out the full URL. {{smiley}} [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 17:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Should it be used in page text in lieu of an internal wiki link? That is the issue I am seeing. It was used in a bibliography and looked like a wikilink, when it was offsite. It does seem appropriate for use in refs. [[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 17:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] What say you? [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 19:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::I'm not familiar. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:51, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::::: {{u|Metallurgist}}, there are pro's and cons; pro: saves you some typing; cons: doesn't save you that much, plus you have to go look it up in the table; also, doesn't generate an external link pointer icon like one would expect. My take: more cons than pros for the most part. Maybe using it is a good idea when you have a long table of stuff, where using it 87 times would actually be easier for someone reading the wikicode to follow what was going on (perhaps with a view to altering the table) and where having the external link icon 87 times in the table would just be annoying. In a table with several columns, having it would also mean some wikicode lines would remain visible on one editor line, instead of wrapping, making it slightly easier to edit the line with the source editor. For the majority of cases where it only occurs once or twice on a page, use the full url instead. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 23:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::See [[Help:Interwiki linking#Interwiki links versus external links]]. One of the problems with interwiki links in articles is that they look to the reader like conventional wikilinks but they end up when clicked by sometimes taking them to external non-Wikipedia sites. As a result, there is an agreement not to allow such links to [[WP:IMDb|IMDb]], for example. See [[WT:WikiProject Film/Archive 79#Masking imdb links as wikilinks]] and [[WP:ELBODY]]. These sort of links are, however, very useful on talk pages, as they can be used to link to [[digital object identifiers]] directly, e.g. [[doi:10.1002/047084289X.rp280]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 09:17, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::::That is exactly the concern I had because I saw links I thought were to articles and were actually to Internet Archive links. [[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 16:56, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== Why are a lot of collapsible lists set to not display? ==

:thank you [[User:Bkissin|Bkissin]] ! I know the subject personally (my partner is also a member of the same band) so i've taken a pause for the cause and done a bit more research for sources and sent a few text messages to him to get some info :-) fingers crossed for the next submission... :-) [[User:Smithykit|Smithykit]] ([[User talk:Smithykit|talk]]) 20:46, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::No problem {{u|Smithykit}}. Though, keep in mind our policies about [[WP:COI|conflict of interest editing]]. It can often be difficult for people who are close to the subject of an article to write about them in the dry, neutral way that WP articles often are. That is another big reason why articles get declined. [[User:Bkissin|Bkissin]] ([[User talk:Bkissin|talk]]) 20:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Why do a lot of lists have "list_style = display:none"? I've been seeing a lot of collapsible lists recently that can't open. An example is on [[Guerrero]]. I really don't understand why anyone would do that. [[Special:Contributions/23.24.240.109|23.24.240.109]] ([[User talk:23.24.240.109|talk]]) 19:04, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think i've kept it sufficiently third person [[User:Bkissin|Bkissin]], i'm used to writing factual in my day job so fingers crossed :-) [[User:Smithykit|Smithykit]] ([[User talk:Smithykit|talk]]) 21:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

: How many is a lot, can you list them? That indicator {{kbd|display:none}} at [[Guerrero]] was added in 2011 ([[Special:Diff/420524870|diff]]) by {{user|Hpav7}} (who hasn't edited since 2016). In that edit, {{they|Hpav7}} added the display:none to two different parts, the area codes, and the list of federal deputies. You may remove both of them, if you wish. If there are too many other examples to handle manually, perhaps a bot could be requested to delete all of them, but a list of other examples would help. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 22:49, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::@[[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] I don't have a list of them, I've just been seeing them a lot when I read articles. Another example is [[Des Moines, Iowa]]. [[Special:Contributions/23.24.240.109|23.24.240.109]] ([[User talk:23.24.240.109|talk]]) 22:05, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::: Thanks. That one was added in [[Special:Diff/209133732|tis edit]] in 2008 by {{user|Miles530}}, for a hidden list of representatives. It's interesting that both of them are quite old; too soon to know if that's a pattern, but worth keeping an eye on. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 23:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== And the Winter Soldier ==

== Charles W Taylor Jr of Rice University is a Member of the Senior Executive Service of the United States, as documented on June 25, 1990. Where can his certificate be sent for verification? ==

What to do-or how to handle-likely sockpuppets or ban-worthy accounts that haven't done anything yet? Looking at the recent changes, multiple accounts that are similarly named; (Period6Group9Person2, Period6Group4Person3, etc), but I don't think I can technically report them for sockpuppeting since without one edit, there's not really "evidence". Similarly, if someone made an account called "F*ck/Jane/Doe", as an example. Clearly an offensive name, but action can't be taken until they edit, right? I just want to know how to handle accounts without edits. I know to [[WP:AGF]], but also [[WP:SPADE]]? [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #a6a6a6"><span style="color: Blue;">☩</span></span>]] ^{([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: Blue; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Babysharkboss2</span>]])} 19:13, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

I'm new to this site and I'm simply trying to add some content. I am a former Presidential Appointee of President George H.W. Bush. I became a member of the Senior Executive Service on June 25, 1990. How do I send verification of that?&nbsp;[[User:Charles W Taylor Jr|Charles W Taylor Jr]] ([[User talk:Charles W Taylor Jr|talk]]) 15:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC) 15:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[[User:Charles W Taylor Jr|Charles W Taylor Jr]] ([[User talk:Charles W Taylor Jr|talk]]) Office of Personnel Management (OPM)

:You have asked this question at a number of locations, for instance see the replies here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&curid=564696&diff=1036114675&oldid=1036112318&diffmode=source#Charles_W_Taylor_Jr_of_Rice_University_is_a_Member_of_the_Senior_Executive_Service_of_the_United_States,_as_documented_on_June_25,_1990._Where_can_his_certificate_be_sent_for_verification?] [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 15:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

:: Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Charles W Taylor Jr}}. Anyone can add content to Wikipedia but please don't do so on pages where you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] owing to your (former or current) occupation. No-one here is interested in verifying who you are: we [[WP:AGF|assume good faith in our editors]]. Please familiarise yourself with how things work around here before you make major additions and especially before you try to create a new article. Some general advice is at [[H:INTRO]] and [[WP:YFA]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]])

::{{replyto|Charles W Taylor Jr}} Hello, welcome to the teahouse! To be added to that list you need to meet wikipedia's definition of a [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)|notable person]] and have had an article written about you (the two people on the list without articles have had their articles deleted but no-ones got around to cleaning up yet). Wikipedia articles are written on the basis of publicly available sources, like news reports, books and websites, we cannot use your personal documents as a reference. Finally please review our [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|Conflict of interest]] policies - writing about yourself is '''very''' strongly discouraged. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 16:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:I think they are useraccounts for students at a school? [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 19:55, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== Abuse of administrator rights in Ukrainian wikipedia ==

:Hm there are a bunch of them. I asked an admin to take a look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=Period6&group=&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50 Also period 4 and period 3. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 19:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Babysharkboss2|Babysharkboss2]], I'm not sure why you think the first set are socks? The names indicate that they are multiple people. For someone with an obviously offensive username, you can report them at [[WP:UAA]]. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 20:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::To clarify, I think the usernames don't suggest that multiple people use each account. Rather, they identify specific people. Period6Group9Person2, for example, seems to be an example of a username chosen for a group project in school. That is, they're in sixth period, group 9, and they're person 2. [[User:Significa liberdade|Significa liberdade <small>(she/her)</small>]] ([[User talk:Significa liberdade|talk]]) 20:35, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::But what if they haven't edited? For example, a fresh account (which has likely been glocked as of writing) titled "The Chinese embassy goes up and down and up and down" has been made. It's without a doubt another cog in the LTA machine. But they haven't made any edits. What if someone made a "JaneDoeOnWheelsBMX" account? Should I report them before they edit and cause harm, or do I assume good faith that ''maybe'' somehow they unknowingly picked a really unfortunate username? [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #a6a6a6"><span style="color: Blue;">☩</span></span>]] ^{([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: Blue; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Babysharkboss2</span>]])} 16:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Babysharkboss2|Babysharkboss2]], I don't understand what's wrong with JaneDoeOnWheelsBMX? -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 16:22, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Asilvering|Asilvering]] It is a reference to the LTA Willy on Wheels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee/Willy_on_Wheels:A_Case_Study WAID recently wrote about it. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 16:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Ah there is even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/BMX_On_WheeIs [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 16:37, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Ah, in the case of obvious LTA sock usernames, you can just go straight to meta with those reports. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 17:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:Regarding the period/group accounts, I suggest you report it to [[WP:EDUN|the education noticeboard]]. If they are affiliated with a college/university in the U.S. or Canada, they may be able to help. [[:User:Wizzito|<span class="tmpl-colored-link " style="color: hotpink; text-decoration: inherit;">wizzito</span>]] &#124; [[:User talk:Wizzito|<span class="tmpl-colored-link " style="color: navyc; text-decoration: inherit;">say hello!</span>]] 20:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::@[[User:Wizzito|Wizzito]] The Education team may be able to help do what? If these usernames haven't done anything wrong, there's nothing to do... [[User:David10244|David10244]] ([[User talk:David10244|talk]]) 04:30, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== Just did my first page submission ==

Hey, my account: "Пушинко" was block indefinitely on Ukrainian wikipedia by user:Yakudza because he decided that I used open proxies. However, I have never used them. The real reason I was blocked is that I started a discussion in local teahouse about abusing of checkuser rights by one of the checkusers of Ukrainian wikipedia. And right after seral hours I was blocked. That is a direct violation of Wikipedia rules. I demand truth and justice. Please review my case and my account and you will find I didn't do anything wrong. --[[User:Пушинко|Пушинко]] ([[User talk:Пушинко|talk]]) 16:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Пушинко|Пушинко]] ([[User talk:Пушинко|talk]]) 16:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Пушинко}} Hello, welcome to the teahouse! Each language project is completely independent, so unfortunately our administrators cannot help you with a block on the Ukrainian wikipedia. You will need to follow whatever instructions you were given on the Ukrainian wikipedia to appeal your block. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 16:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:: thanks, but I wasn't given any instructions. I cannot edit my talk page or send emails. Can you advice me how I can appeal to global stewards ?--[[User:Пушинко|Пушинко]] ([[User talk:Пушинко|talk]]) 16:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:::{{replyto|Пушинко}} Yes, removing talk page access and email access at the same time does seem rather over the top. Perhaps try contacting an administrator through [[:uk:Вікіпедія:IRC|IRC]] or their [[:uk:Вікіпедія:Соціальні_мережі|social media sites]] to request access to your talk page? On most wikis you can also appeal to the [[:uk:Вікіпедія:Арбітражний_комітет|Arbitration Committee]], but I cannot see a contact email address on the Ukrainian wiki. The users that have administrative rights across most sites are called stewards, and requests can be made on the various [[Meta:Steward requests|Steward requests]] pages on meta, but they don't involve themselves with local blocks for the most part. Apologies if any of those links are wrong, I don't speak Ukrainian.

:::If you do have evidence that checkusers are misusing their tools then you'll want to get in contact with the [[Meta:Ombuds commission|Ombuds commission]], who investigate these things. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 16:57, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

How did I do? [[Draft:Heath Miller (promoter)]] [[User:Noparking9|Noparking9]] ([[User talk:Noparking9|talk]]) 22:44, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== Uplift, Inc Wikipedia Page ==

:Someone will review the draft in due course. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 23:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I have submitted a page to Wikipedia for Uplift (https://www.uplift.com) which was denied and swiftly deleted (my first time writing an article here and obviously have a lot to learn!) but now also see that a page request has also been made on behalf of the company as well. I just asked a question in my talk page and some of the feedback was COI related as I work at the company and also that some of the articles submitted as references may not be enough. Is there any way I can add more references or articles written about our company to support the page being created? Or do we need to just wait for initial feedback from the community editors and if not approved at that time - what can we do? We certainly don't want a page to "promote" our company, but just to exsist on Wikipedia as a credible one and acknowledge our existence as a company. Any suggestions or insights into how to best assist the cause and adhere/help the Wikipedia guidelines is appreciated!&nbsp;[[User:RachelAnderson72489|RachelAnderson72489]] ([[User talk:RachelAnderson72489|talk]]) 16:37, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:How'd you do? Over 2/3 of it appears to be AI-generated. Rewrite using your own words. AI-generated material cannot be accepted, and may be a candidate for speedy deletion (see [[WP:CSD#G15]]) if there's evidence you didn't review what the AI generated. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 01:17, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:RachelAnderson72489|RachelAnderson72489]]: Welcome to the Teahouse. The glaring issue here is {{tq|1=references or articles written about our company to support the page being created}}. [[WP:RS|Reliable sources]] should be independent from the subject; that is, articles or other items that talk about the company significantly but isn't affiliated with them. If you can't find those I'm afraid you're out of luck.<br>Also, please [[WP:DISCLOSE|disclose]] your [[WP:PAID|paid relationship]] with Uplift on your user page, [[User:RachelAnderson72489]]. You may use the {{tl|paid}} template to do so. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 17:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::the claim "AI-generated material cannot be accepted" is not true. LLM material is considered acceptable when reviewed and cleaned up by a human editor. however, G15 still applies if there is sufficient evidence to the contrary. [[User:Waning Star|Waning Star]] ([[User talk:Waning Star|talk]]) 02:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::The Creative Commons license used by Wikipedia requires attribution to someone, and this is impossible with AI generated text, because it isn't traceable, especially to a Wikipedian. Such text violates the license used here. Therefore, when I review a draft that's AI generated, I do not accept it. Perhaps this is erring on the side of caution, but until I see a statement about this from the WMF legal team I will continue to reject AI-generated text. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 04:11, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::that's a whole other legal thing that I didn't consider. maybe this is something that should be raised at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)|VPWMF]]? oh well, so it goes. – [[User:Waning Star|Waning Star]] ([[User talk:Waning Star|talk]]) 04:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::I thought AI output, at least in the US, wasn't deemed copyrightable? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Whether it is or is not isn't the point. Text that has no provenance violates the terms of our license here. If you didn't create it, it cannot be attributable to you. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 14:50, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::We include plenty of other PD text, including much that is anonymous, such as old encyclopedia entries. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Unquestionably PD text is a legal status that doesn't exist with AI-generated text. Text from old encyclopedia entries are typically attributed properly. OpenAI has never said that ChatGTP's output is PD although they do grant you broad rights on the use of its output. In any case, I'm going to continue playing it safe by assuming that AI-generated text violates "attribution" clauses of the Wikimedia CC-BY-SA license until I see a statement from the legal team indicating otherwise. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 15:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::::@[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] If we can get such a statement from WMF legal, it needs to be added to the oft-quoted [[WP:LLM]]. Given the history of that page's creation, I would have thought that WMF would already have chipped in if the legal position were clear-cut. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::::{{Tq|1="OpenAI has never said that ChatGTP's output is PD"}} Nor have I claimed that they did.

::::::::I have said that it is my understanding that AI output, at least in the US, is deemed ''uncopyrightable''. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:16, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== What is unappreciated? ==

== Need help with the tone of an article ==

I would love some guidance on common things that are needed on Wikipedia but aren't "cool" - I know with any project big or small there are always necessities that aren't attractive or flashy - and that is the sort of work I am interested in. Any pointers, ideas how to go about this?

{{courtesy link|Draft:Michael Adams}}<br>

My first article, on Michael Adams (lawyer) was rejected as not having an encyclopedic tone. I tried to copy the tone in similar articles and would welcome some suggestions or specific feedback on sentences that need to be rewritten or other improvements I can make. Thank you! Hudson165.&nbsp;[[User:Hudson165|Hudson165]] ([[User talk:Hudson165|talk]]) 16:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{re|Hudson165}} I just fixed a lot of the glaring syntax errors. You say you copied other articles for tone, but somehow you missed that none of the articles use the big syntax to enlarge the entire article. Also, you don't need to bold the section titles - the title code does that automatically. That was the easy part. The hard part will be fixing the tone. You should read [[WP:COI]] since it's obvious you know the subject, if you aren't him yourself. Unsourced statements like ''Adams was instrumental in highlighting the organization’s emphasis on policy advocacy and promoting legislation that promote the ability of LGBT+ adults to age with dignity and respect.'' and ''He was extremely successful at attracting government and private support for SAGE’s programs; the organization’s budget has increased ten-fold under Adams’ leadership.'' aren't encyclopedic. Neither are ''Under his leadership, SAGE has undertaken a multi-year project to embed racial equity in its external work and within the organization as part of a long-term commitment to build racial equity and contribute to the dismantling of white supremacy.'' or ''Adams also has a strong interest in international issues.'' That's just for starters. After dealing with the mandatory COI disclosure, you need to forget everything you know about him, and instead only paraphrase and summarize what independent third party sources say about him. If it can't be sourced, don't write it. You could also check out [[Help:Your first article]] for more general info. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, one and all! [[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]] ([[User talk:Cairnesteak|talk]]) 03:42, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== What are reliable sources? ==

:Oh, gosh. I love this question, but have little idea how to answer it. Honestly, there's very little that is "cool" around here. The stuff that goes undone is less often the "uncool" stuff and more the "difficult and bothersome" stuff. My advice would be to pick a backlog that looks large and gross and dive in to see if you like handling it, or at least find it tolerable. As far as particularly difficult and bothersome ones, [[CAT:COIREQ]] is one I avoid, personally. More power to the people who can handle that queue, but I sure don't want to touch it. You might want to start with some article maintenance category (you can get a list of these by wikiproject, if you're interested) if you don't want to jump right into handling something quite that hairy. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 03:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I have read [[WP:RS]] many a times, but each time I fail to understand what exactly reliable sources are. As of now, I consider notable and self-published sources reliable (although that might be false). Can someone brief it up (probably with examples too)?&nbsp;'''''[[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]]'''''[[User talk:Excellenc1|📞]] 17:13, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::{{reply|Asilvering}} Apparently many editors don't want to touch it. That's why the queue is over 200 requests long. That's a backlog. It needs help, but only from experienced editors. Once in a while I dive in. Some are easy, some are not. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 04:17, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]], indeed. I'm easily guilt-tripped by a large and intractable backlog (there's a reason I've ended up at [[CAT:RFU]] and [[WP:SPI]]), but I just can't stomach that one. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 12:25, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::I will take a look at those CATs (meow), but it will be awhile until I get to that point: thank you for the answer! Difficult and bothersome are categories I will eventually tackle - and understanding/parsing backlogs and how to tackle them will be something I will go read about so I have a clearer understanding. As Anachronist says, only from experienced editors, which I ain't (yet). [[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]] ([[User talk:Cairnesteak|talk]]) 19:25, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]], I wouldn't be too worried about needing experience before having a look at the COI category. The most important thing is that you have the sense to know when you don't know what to do with a request, and to leave those alone. You'll find many of them are very simple to respond to - for example, someone will submit an edit request without any sources provided. Easy decline, virtually no experience needed. For others, I recommend hitting the "subscribe" button on the individual request if you don't know what to do with it and are curious to see how it turns out. By watching experienced editors doing this kind of thing, you can get a sense for how it works quite quickly. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 21:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::{{reply|Cairnesteak}} Asilvering gives good advice. I would also add that several requests are simple things that the requester could do uncontroversially, but are reluctant to do so, like correcting dates, numbers, names, spelling, reverting obvious vandalism, or providing a source for something that needed a citation. The thing to be most wary of is edit requests that whitewash negative information or seek to promote the subject. Wikipedia isn't to be used as a publicity platform. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 21:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]] Typofixing? If that is something you are interested in, hit me up. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 04:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:Well, I occasionally work on cleaning up [[:Category:Articles_with_a_promotional_tone_from_August_2025|articles tagged as promotional]]. It isn't "cool," but you learn a lot and it's interesting seeing how these articles got to where they are now. [[User:ChildrenWillListen|<span style="color:green">Children</span> <span style="color:purple">Will</span> <span style="color:red">Listen</span>]] ([[User talk:ChildrenWillListen|🐄 talk]], [[Special:Contributions/ChildrenWillListen|🫘 contribs]]) 04:06, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for the answer!

::I have done some stuff that Wikipedia serves up based on my indicated interests, and promotional is one that comes up - learning is definitely something I still need, so a task that will induce it is good. [[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]] ([[User talk:Cairnesteak|talk]]) 19:27, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:i really think the most grueling work is regarding copyrights. places like [[WP:CCP|WikiProject Copyright Cleanup]] and [[WP:Contributor copyright investigations]] are some of the most annoying and repetitive places to work at, and gets especially annoying when the line between acceptable and copyright-violating is blurred. kudos to those guys, and glory to the [[WP:CCP|CCP]]. [[User:Waning Star|Waning Star]] ([[User talk:Waning Star|talk]]) 04:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

* {{U|Cairnesteak}}, people posting here are often warned not to [[Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward|write articles backward]]. Excellent advice. But, for one reason or another, plenty of articles of the second rank include unreferenced material that looks at least moderately plausible and, if it were only well referenced, would be worthwhile. Unreferenced assertions may have "citations needed" or similar flags. But many do not. Look for unreferenced assertions. Supply references for them. The search for these is unlikely to be easy, if even possible. Note that a reference mustn't merely say something that's compatible with what the article says; it must instead confirm veracity of what the article says. So you may find what you think are references, decide that they're mediocre or worse, and look for better alternatives; you may have to adjust what the article says so that it does match the reference you're supplying for it; you may have to remove an assertion that seems unreferenceable. You'll have to make a lot of use of your head, and all of this is hard work. Is it appreciated? Perhaps, when it's noticed; but don't expect a high ratio of appreciation received to effort expended. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:17, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]] Notable does not necessarily mean reliable, [[OpIndia]] and [[Facebook]] are notable, but generally unreliable. [[WP:SPS]] can be useful in very limited circumstances. At [[WP:RSP]] you can find a long list of potential sources and the on-WP current view on them (like everything else around here, it may change). There's even a fr-WP version. Scroll through that, it may give you an idea. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 17:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

*:This is something I noticed a bunch - and yeah, it is daunting. I saw an article that, in the opening paragraph, made a pretty big assertion and it wasn't substantiated at all - after some quick searching I found a source and was able to get it some backing: so this is definitely something I will start to work at. It just takes some time, is all. I expect no appreciation, and I appreciate you pointing that out - I view it from the stand point of "if I do this now, someone won't have to do it later, or will be able to build off of it". [[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]] ([[User talk:Cairnesteak|talk]]) 19:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Excellenc1}} A good rule of thumb for determining the reliability of a source is to apply a three-prong test: ''Does the source discuss the subject at length? Is the source independent of the subject and their direct surrogates? Does the outlet have a competent [[editor in chief]] or someone who fills an equivalent role in fact-checking, disclosure, and retractions?'' If the answer to any of them is "no", assume the given source isn't reliable for the purpose you want to use it for. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] ^{<small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Jéské Couriano]]</small>} 19:22, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::Discussion of a subject at length relates to determining notability rather than reliability. Reliable sources that are very brief can reliably support portions of an articles content. [[User:Gab4gab|Gab4gab]] ([[User talk:Gab4gab|talk]]) 20:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:::Absolutely. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]] Here's a link to [https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/index.html WikiProject Cleanup Listings]. These are split into various groups, so you can choose to do cleanups in areas that are of interest to you. Overall, there are endless amounts of work! See also the [[WP:Task Center|Task Center]] [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 08:53, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== Need help editing a Wikipedia Biography submission ==

::Thank you thank you!

::Those are some handy links! [[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]] ([[User talk:Cairnesteak|talk]]) 19:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

*{{ping|Cairnesteak}} if you are competent in other languages, [[WP:PNT]] has a backlog going back literally years. [[User:Lectonar|Lectonar]] ([[User talk:Lectonar|talk]]) 09:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

*:Unfortunately I am not competent in other languages, but thanks for the idea! I hope at least one or two other folks see this and can use my question to get an answer for themselves, it can be hard to know what to do or where to start. [[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]] ([[User talk:Cairnesteak|talk]]) 19:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

*::Love your thought, @[[User:Cairnesteak|Cairnesteak]], about how perhaps your question could serve others to get an answer for themselves! Speaking from experience, I think “sitting in” on some of the discussions here in the Teahouse is one of the best places for new and still-newish editors to pick up all sorts of helpful tips. I wonder if it’s one of Wikipedia’s best-kept secrets. [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 08:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Phones ==

Hello, my submission was declined for not showing significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject, and for not having a formal detached tone. I have workshopped my submission on a google doc that I can link. I would really appreciate any advice or help in editing.&nbsp;[[User:VidishaAgarwalla|VidishaAgarwalla]] ([[User talk:VidishaAgarwalla|talk]]) 17:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Why is Wikipedia always blocked on mobile data? [[User:Minehollow|Minehollow]] ([[User talk:Minehollow|talk]]) 04:41, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:VidishaAgarwalla|VidishaAgarwalla]], is this about [[Draft:Assaf Biderman]]? Then improve that draft with new text/sources. One thing you should do is to remove all the [[WP:External link]]s from the article text. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 17:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:::@[[User:VidishaAgarwalla|VidishaAgarwalla]],What Ierror thinkmessage(s) manydo ofyou yourget, in-body external links could be converted to{{U|Minehollow}}? in-line citations supporting your text.- [[User:Gab4gabHoary|Gab4gabHoary]] ([[User talk:Gab4gabHoary|talk]]) 2005:3223, 29 JulyAugust 20212025 (UTC)

:Some IP ranges by mobile internet providers are blocked because they are often used for vandalism, and at some point the bad outweighed the good by such a margin that blocking them was the best option. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 05:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Gab4gab|Gab4gab]] @[[User:VidishaAgarwalla|VidishaAgarwalla]] Done <small>via [[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/DraftCleaner.js]] and [[User:BrandonXLF/ReferenceExpander]].</small> &#8213;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:gray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 12:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:By "Wikipedia always blocked", do you an that you cannot read it, or cannot edit it? The latter is explained above by Polygnotus; the former would be down to your device or your service provider. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== (not content farm) page request: ==

== pinging ==

list of media used in content farms [[Special:Contributions/91.234.25.26|91.234.25.26]] ([[User talk:91.234.25.26|talk]]) 11:52, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I've noticed that if I go back and edit a comment and include something that would normally ping a user it doesn't notify me that the user was pinged. Why is that? Do I have to include four tildes for a ping to go through?&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 17:31, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|TipsyElephant}} Hello, welcome to the teahouse. You are correct - the ping templates will only send people a notification if your comment includes a signature. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 17:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:Also the signature and the template have to be added in the same edit, it doesn't work properly if you go back and add a ping template to an already signed comment. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 17:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:Your post doesn't make sense; do you have a question about how to use or contribute to Wikipedia? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:59, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:[[WP:PINGFIX]] has some info. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 17:37, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

::The OP wants an article called [[List of media used in content farms]], apparently. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 14:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::and also sprunki [[Special:Contributions/91.234.25.26|91.234.25.26]] ([[User talk:91.234.25.26|talk]]) 15:03, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::::because there will be in wikipedia the first time there have been sprunki in a non-draft and not a content farm [[Special:Contributions/91.234.25.26|91.234.25.26]] ([[User talk:91.234.25.26|talk]]) 15:04, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Apparently Sprunki is a [[Incredibox]]-inspired game, and there’s no article for ‘sprunki’, so you can make it.

:::::Also, I or we can’t help with your article, because that’s how it works in Wikipedia. [[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 14:47, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Wallace Alexander Smart ==

== How to create subcategory page ==

{{Courtesy link|:pl:Wallace Alexander Smart}}

Hello, I would like to create a subcategory page "Agriculture ministers of Malawi" to [[:Category:Government_ministers_of_Malawi]], but I can't find a good guide anywhere as to how. Thanks in advance!&nbsp;[[User:DirkJandeGeer|DirkJandeGeer]] ([[User talk:DirkJandeGeer|talk]]) 20:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Wallace alexander smart was a British flying ace,he is on Polish Wikipedia, but not on British. Not sure why .....Is there a way we can put him on UK Wikipedia please ?

:@[[User:DirkJandeGeer|DirkJandeGeer]], [[Help:Category]] has basic info. Pretty much all you need to do to create a subcategory is create a category page and then categorize the page itself under the parent category. Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> ^{[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]} 20:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. [[User:Dnlala|Dnlala]] ([[User talk:Dnlala|talk]]) 13:21, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:He would need to meet the criteria at [[WP:GNG]]. As an ace, he most likely will, but the sources in the Polish article do not meet that bar; and any article here needs reliable sources that show he does.

== reliable sources ==

:You might mention this to the folk at [[WT:MILHIST]]. If you would like to translate and expand on the article from Polish, see [[WP:TRANSLATE]], then follow the process at [[WP:AFC]] for getting the results reviewed. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I have prepared an article about International Society for Porous Media (InterPore.org). The submission has been rejected because "it is not adequately supported by reliable sources." The references used in my article are given below. It is not clear to me why these are not reliable, and how I should improve them. It'd be great if anyone can help me in this regard.

::Thank you for your constructive reply. I know very little about criteria and wikipedia. There are 2 ace sources on Wikipedia-US apparently. Other sources are flyingdiary.co.uk and theaerodrome.com.

https://www.interpore.org/news/

::Many thanks. [[User:Dnlala|Dnlala]] ([[User talk:Dnlala|talk]]) 16:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

https://www.interpore.org/activities/institutional-members

:Is there a "UK Wikipedia"? Or did you mean "English Wikipedia", which was started in, and hosted in, the United States? ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 14:39, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

https://www.iws.uni-stuttgart.de/en/

::I am not an expert, which is obviously why I am asking for help. Constructive help. [[User:Dnlala|Dnlala]] ([[User talk:Dnlala|talk]]) 16:03, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

https://www.iws.uni-stuttgart.de/en/institute/team/Helmig-00008/

:::Well, the best approach is first to look at the sources cited in the Polish article and pick out the ones that seem reliable (not blogs, not self-published, not forum discussions, etc.). Try to find other sources. While I don't recommend using an AI to write articles (that usually ends badly for whoever tries to do that), an AI can help finding sources for you. Once you have the sources, start writing the article. Don't let the AI write it for you; this is easily detected and will be rejected here.

https://www.interpore.org/activities/national-chapters

:::You can use a translation of the Polish article as a guide for organization and content if it makes sense, but generally you should make sure that everything in your new article cites a source, regardless of what the Polish version does. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:33, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

https://www.interpore.org/activities/institutional-members

https://www::Hello, @[[User:Dnlala|Dnlala]].interpore.org This may not be what you wanted to hear, but: {{User:ColinFine/interpore-foundation&nbsp;PractiseFirst}} [[User:SmhfbaColinFine|SmhfbaColinFine]] ([[User talk:SmhfbaColinFine|talk]]) 2019:4030, 29 JulyAugust 20212025 (UTC)

:{{courtesy link|Draft:International Society for Porous Media}} {{courtesy link|Draft:International Society for Porous Media (InterPore)}} Two submissions with slightly different names. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 20:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{re|Smhfba}} You need to find sources that are not connected to the subject. See [[WP:RS]]. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 20:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Smhfba}} Hello, welcome to the teahouse! The issue isn't that these sources aren't reliable, the issue is that they aren't independent of the society (The declining reviewer used the wrong message there, they should have used the one that says the sources do not demonstrate that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article). The test for whether something has sufficient [[Wikipedia:Notability|Notability]] to qualify for an article is "Has the subject of the article received substantial coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources?" Have a read of [[WP:GNG]]. All of these websites are either by the society, or are from a university associated with the society. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of the article says about themselves, Wikipedia articles are written on the basis of what people with no connection to the subject have chosen to write. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 20:55, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

== Help! TheDealing darkwith modeAI is misbehaving!Slop ==

Hey y'all,

I can't turn off the dark mode in the preferences, and I also read the special page: [[Wikipedia:Preferences]], and even THAT didn't work. What should I do? Please consider my situation.&nbsp;[[User:Sparklestern|Sparklestern]] ([[User talk:Sparklestern|talk]]) 00:17, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Sparklestern|Sparklestern]] Have you tried running the page on [[Wikipedia:SAFEMODE|safemode]]? If it is still on dark mode, then this is probably a browser issue. &#8213;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:gray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 12:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I have recently come across two editors, @[[User:StoryWritter1|StoryWritter1]] and @[[User:HistoryRiderIndia|HistoryRiderIndia]], who have contributed nothing but AI-generated slop over the past year across a variety of articles. I first discovered this on the article for [[Rajarajeshwara Temple]] which I stumbled across while cleaning reference tags, and after 30 minutes attempting to see if I could salvage anything, I made the choice to revert. I have now come to realize that this LLM-generated content, complete with fake citations and accidentally included ChatGPT headers, is not just limited to the earlier article but also to articles such as [[Madayi Kavu]] and [[Kottiyoor Vysakha Mahotsavam]]. Before I reverted those, I thought it might be best to ask for help from somebody more experienced than I am. What are the next steps towards cleaning up these articles?

== Can someone please help me request a deletion of a Wikipedia page ==

[[User:3602kiva|3602kiva]] ([[User talk:3602kiva|talk]]) 18:07, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I'd like to help in making Wikipedia a place where each page is notable and not faked.

:Hi, {{u|3602kiva}}! I would start by reading the main page of and putting a notice on the talk page of the [[WP:WikiProject AI Cleanup|AI Cleanup Wikiproject]], where other editors who have worked on cleaning up LLM issues can give more advice or lend a hand. Happy editing, [[User:Perfect4th|Perfect4th]] ([[User talk:Perfect4th|talk]]) 18:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Can someone please help me delete a page of this person - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Vallis_(singer)

:It appears from their talk pages that neither editor has been advised that this is not acceptable. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

By researching carefully, I believe the credits/sources are fake.

::In the [[Talk:Madayi Kavu| talk page of one of the articles]], one of the editors has written an AI-generated essay contesting the quality of their AI-generated work. It's all a bunch of BS - some stuff about double standards.

Not 100% sure, so wanted to ask here for support in this decision.

::In any case, I'll drop in those toothless AI warning messages to the two of them.

Also, I don't know how to request "articles for deletion" so wanted to ask for assistance in doing so please.

::[[User:3602kiva|3602kiva]] ([[User talk:3602kiva|talk]]) 21:37, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::If you think our current AI warning message templates are "toothless ", you are free to write your own bespoke messages. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:31, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== Archive box not visible ==

Thank you.&nbsp;[[User:Thomastrainor|Thomastrainor]] ([[User talk:Thomastrainor|talk]]) 00:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:When I search on "Love Stand Still" Kelly Rowland, it confirms a connection to Beau Vallis. Why do you believe the Vallis references are fake? [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Does anyone know why the links to the archive (and search bar) are not showing on [[Talk:Bariatric surgery]]? It has the "User:MiszaBot/config" like other talk pages. [[Special:Contributions/96.95.142.29|96.95.142.29]] ([[User talk:96.95.142.29|talk]]) 18:48, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I believe it to be fake because it's only in blog articles and I don't see it verified on Kelly Rowland wikipedia pages or any sources that seem more legitimate.

:It wouldn't be verified on her Wikipedia page because (1) we don't have a formal verification process - the sources do that, and (2) we don't require sources for credits or liner notes barring uncredited or [[Alan Smithee]]'d roles. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] ^{<small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Jéské Couriano]]</small>} 04:57, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I also just noticed at the top of the wikipedia page that there it says the article doesn't meet the notability guidelines on Wikipedia - this is why I asked about deletion - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Vallis_(singer)

: A better response to "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music." (note "may not meet") is to try to improve the article. For example, his role(s) in the albums and singles are not described nor referenced. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:48, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:Fixed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bariatric_surgery&diff=prev&oldid=1308483599 here]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliography_of_encyclopedias ==

::@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] Ok, why don't the archives appear centered with all the other talk headers, such as on [[Talk:Justice]]? [[Special:Contributions/96.95.142.29|96.95.142.29]] ([[User talk:96.95.142.29|talk]]) 19:10, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::Because I used {{Tl|Archives}}, not {{tl|Talk header}}.

:::You're welcome. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:23, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Ok, I got it. [[Special:Contributions/96.95.142.29|96.95.142.29]] ([[User talk:96.95.142.29|talk]]) 19:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== Link does not work ==

Hello, I started editing this page in the Encyclopedia section and then ran into a ton of questions about the correct way to list reference works in a bibliographical format. So I did some research and it seems there are several ways to cite bibliographical style. The problem is that on this page, it is just a list of reference material, which are never authored but are compendiums of contributed entries or articles. The citations people are using, however, are citations used as if they were authored. So I did some more research and found that the way reference works should be listed in their entirety is by title first as if on a 'List of Works' in a research paper. I refer you to 2 of the more popular styles of citation to support this: https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/16/bib3.html and a sample paper for the MLA style (scroll down to List of Works page for an example) - https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/research_and_citation/mla_style/mla_formatting_and_style_guide/mla_sample_paper.html ... I am going to endeavor to rectify the listings as I can in the Chicago-style format and will also try to cite my research properly. Just giving you a heads up that this is why I am changing much of the page and you may want to check my work in case my inexperience causes errors. If you have reason for me not to do this, please let me know. Thank you.&nbsp;[[User:StarRider33|StarRider33]] ([[User talk:StarRider33|talk]]) 00:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

: Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|StarRider33}}. That big list article has been around since 2012 and given its scope it isn't surprising that the citations have become a bit of a mess: thanks for wanting to help clean things up. Note that [[WP:CITESTYLE|our policy on citation styles]] says that editors should prefer consistency over any one style (and usually stick to what the originator of the article did). That's clearly impractical for this particular article but working towards one of our standard styles there is fine. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Why does the link for <code><nowiki>[[3D-printed firearms]]</nowiki></code> not appear to work in the article [[Halle synagogue shooting]], it is redlinked, but that page is a real page and should work. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 18:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== James C. McWilliams: odd formatting now ==

:[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] the article is [[3D-printed firearm]], not the plural - I have changed it - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 18:59, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::I thought even the plural was a redirect at least. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 19:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::You can create it as a redirect if you wish, @[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::[[3D printed firearms]] already does redirect to [[3D-printed firearm]] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3D_printed_firearms&diff=1262586832&oldid=991682107 was created back in December 2020]. So I am confused with why it would not have worked. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 19:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Because [[3D printed firearms]] doesn't have a hyphen in it, and [[3D-printed firearms]] with a hyphen does not exist. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 19:55, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::The hyphen strikes again. Thanks for that. Very good attention to detail.

::::::I made it just now as a cheap redirect to prevent this from happening to someone else again. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 19:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] (A comment on wikilinks) The code <code><nowiki>[[3D-printed firearm]]s</nowiki></code>, with the "s" outside the final square bracket, renders as [[3D-printed firearm]]s as if the "s" were inside the bracket. Hence there should never be a need for a redirect merely to cover the plural. See [[Help:Link#Display text agglutination]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:11, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== Unexpected Treasures (2025) movie page waiting for review ==

I was working on [[James C. McWilliams]] to clean up issues that were flagged on the page, but I am now confused by a change made by an IP address. The format of the citations is somewhat odd as everything has been changed to a list of DOIs and none of the links are 'clickable' within the body of the text. I am not sure what the protocol is, nor am I clear why this was done as it does not seem like a common Wikipedia format. Any thoughts would be appreciated. --[[User:DaffodilOcean|DaffodilOcean]] ([[User talk:DaffodilOcean|talk]]) 00:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:DaffodilOcean|DaffodilOcean]] ([[User talk:DaffodilOcean|talk]]) 00:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello! I have created a draft article at [[User:NotPhillipN/sandbox]] about the upcoming film *Unexpected Treasures*.

:[[User:DaffodilOcean|DaffodilOcean]], it looks to me that an inexperienced editor with a little knowledge of Wikipedia and a lot of knowledge of McWilliams tried to edit his article. I reverted that edit and left the IP a message.--[[User:Quisqualis|Quisqualis]] ([[User talk:Quisqualis|talk]]) 05:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

The draft includes multiple reliable sources (Deadline, Screen Rant, Soap Net, ComingSoon.net) covering its Comic-Con premiere, production, and cast.

The poster has been uploaded under non-free use, and citations are in place.

I would like this draft moved to mainspace at [[Unexpected Treasures]].

== Sandbox ==

I do not yet have permission to move pages myself. Could an experienced editor please review and move it?

Thank you very much for your help! [[User:NotPhillipN|NotPhillipN]] ([[User talk:NotPhillipN|talk]]) 20:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Would anything bad happen if I edited a lot in my sandbox?

&nbsp;[[User:WinnipegMA|WinnipegMA]] ([[User talk:WinnipegMA|talk]]) 01:17, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:Hello, @[[User:NotPhillipN|NotPhillipN]], and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft has been submitted for review, and in time a reviewer will look at it.

:[[User:WinnipegMA|WinnipegMA]], your sandbox is your own area to work in. Within reason, nothing bad should result from you editing your own sandbox. See [[WP:SANDBOX]].--[[User:Quisqualis|Quisqualis]] ([[User talk:Quisqualis|talk]]) 04:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:In my opinion, it is [[WP:too soon|too soon]]. Your sources are all either not independent (based on press releases or interviews) or are speculation. Wait until there are solid independent reviews - probably after the film goes on general release.

:: I think that {{u|Quisqualis}} directed you to the wrong Help page: [[H:SANDBOX]] is where the general principles are laid out, {{u|WinnipegMA}}. One of the main things to avoid is never to place copyrighted material (e.g. copy/pasted from some external website) into a sandbox. I find that I can "preview" my writing in the sandbox to see how the Wiki markup stuff will look when saved/published but actually I rarely do so: I often copy what I've written back out to my local PC for later work. Remember that whatever you ''do "publish/save"'' will be there for anyone to see: although most people don't poke around in others' sandboxes! [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} (I know your account was created four years ago, but with only seven edits in your history, you are a new editor). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:53, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:I agree with Colin Fine, it's too soon. Wait until it gets reported on after its release, then you'll likely have better sources to cite, and you can remove those junk sources about screening preview announcements.

:In the meantime, you should at least wikilink the names of actors who have Wikipedia articles.

:Also, move it to Draft space. That way if someone tries to create an article on that film, the wiki software will detect that there's already a draft about it. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 21:49, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== Withdrawing an AFC ==

== Attempting to resolve an [[WP:Edit Warring|edit war]] in the Criticism section of [[Democracy Now!]] over "[[Talk:Democracy_Now!#The_criticism_section_has_piss_poor_sourcing.|poor sourcing]]" ==

Sorry, I have one more question, separate from the above: Is it possible to withdraw an AFC? The more I think about it the more I don't think there's currently enough for [[Draft:Cyber fashion]] to be a mainspace article yet and I'm not really that fond of it compared to my other two AFC drafts. [[User:Serilly|<span style="color:hotpink;">⋆˚꩜｡ '''serilly!''' (he/him)</span>]] ([[User talk:Serilly|talk]]) 21:27, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I've made it practice to watch certain pages which seem to be subject to frequent controversy, but as a relatively new editor (less than 500 edits), I'm unsure how to respond to an edit war, given that I don't want to join in and get banned, and given that I can't actually tell which side is right. I'm also unsure what counts as a reliable source and a neutral point of view.&nbsp;[[User:Talib1101|Talib1101]] ([[User talk:Talib1101|talk]]) 01:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:You can simply remove the "Review waiting" template at the top. Or you can review it yourself and decline it, which makes sense in an odd sort of way, but still seems weird, like me as an admin blocking myself. Or I can decline it for you if you want. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 21:41, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

To clarify, this is a request for [[Wikipedia:Third_opinion|third opinion]]s. [[User:Talib1101|Talib1101]] ([[User talk:Talib1101|talk]]) 01:37, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

: Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Talib1101}}. Like many articles on American politics, debates can get pretty heated and you are wise not to engage unless familiar with Wikipedia policies. If you "can't tell which side is right", that's probably because the editors in question have a difference of opinion, not of fact. Talk Pages are supposed to be used to discuss how to improve an article but sometimes editors forget to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] and end up making personal attacks: which you certainly should not engage in. Take some time to read [[WP:RSPS|about reliable sources we often use]] and [[WP:NPOV|about the sort of neutral writing style that works well here]]. Happy editing..... [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

== I think Qianball doesn't exist in China; it may only exist in Denmark. Does anyone know the Chinese name of Qianball? ==

== Question about an article declined ==

I searched [[Qianball]] on both the international internet and the [[Internet in China|Chinese internet]] in different languages. However, none of the websites revealed their origin. Qianlong is the name of the Qianlong Emperor, and China 100% don't have the sport named 乾隆球. I can't find any Chinese sources with talk about Qianball.

{{courtesy link|Draft:Praise Matemavi}}<br>

I wrote an article about Dr. Praise Matemavi the first female Zimbabwean transplant surgeon which was denied despite me having a lot of references and citations. This article is very similar to others in the same category, therefore I do not see why it was denied. I don't know if there is bias of some sort there but I wanted to get another opinion and what I can do to improve it. The first African woman to be trained in a challenging discipline of liver, small bowel, pancreas and kidney transplant as well as hepatobiliary surgery I think is notable for a page. Thank you for your help.&nbsp;[[User:Fadzi02|Fadzi02]] ([[User talk:Fadzi02|talk]]) 02:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:African born, but practicing in the U.S., which reduces notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:53, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::{{reply|Fadzi02}} There are too many poor sources in there, mostly university publications (institutions that have some connection to the subject, and are therefore not independent). See [[Wikipedia:Golden rule]] for an overview of what is required. What three sources in that list do you consider the most significant and reliable? ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 06:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

{{Collapse top| the thing I searched using Chinese }}

::{{reply|David notMD}} Thank you very much. That makes sense to me. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fadzi02|Fadzi02]] ([[User talk:Fadzi02#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fadzi02|contribs]]) </span>

Chinese has 312 words called "Qian", which are those below.

== Inbox recovery ==

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My inbox has disappeared again, not generally a bad thing when guest posting, but in this case I was in the middle of a conversation. Is there a way I can recover it on my own or do I need to seek assistance from a mod? I tried ctrl+f for recover, restore, undelete, etc. but found no matches, even hit the "check the deletion log" button after hitting the talk button that takes you to your inbox while active and it just said "No matching items in log", any assistance would be helpful, thanks.&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:2CC6:D432:1C1A:FA7|2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:2CC6:D432:1C1A:FA7]] ([[User talk:2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:2CC6:D432:1C1A:FA7|talk]]) 02:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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:Welcome to the Teahouse. The most likely reason is that your IP address changed, and all the messages are on the talk page of the previous IP used. I would register for an account if you're expecting to carry a conversation with someone for a long period of time. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 02:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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::I guess that makes sense. But the nice thing about guest posting is that I can just go back to lurking whenever I want and no one will bother me over it, and let's be real here I've already given my e-mail address to too many sites, and the last thing I need is another source of spam, thanks for explaining things anyway though. [[Special:Contributions/2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:50F9:F2:32EE:A4|2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:50F9:F2:32EE:A4]] ([[User talk:2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:50F9:F2:32EE:A4|talk]]) 02:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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:::You don't need an email to create an account on here, though it does give you the option of recovering your password in the event that you lose it. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 03:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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::::I have been an active editor for 12 years and an administrator for four years, with an active email link. I get Wiikpedia related emails infrequently, and have never once received any Wikipedia-related spam. I am easy to communicate with right here on Wikipedia. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 06:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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:::::Well that's good to know. I'm going to be busy for a few weeks here, but when I have time again I may give it a try. [[Special:Contributions/2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:6D47:E399:D0D4:5571|2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:6D47:E399:D0D4:5571]] ([[User talk:2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:6D47:E399:D0D4:5571|talk]]) 12:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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== Sethji (Zee TV) ==

{{FYI|Title added by [[User:Qwerfjkl|Qwerfjkl]] {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|User talk:Qwerfjkl|([[User talk:Qwerfjkl#top|talk]])|([[User talk:Qwerfjkl|talk]])}} 12:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC) }}I have made some changes in the credits on the page of Sethji (Zee TV). Those changes are not being displayed. What is the procedure for accepting edit changes by Wikipedia?

&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/49.36.121.119|49.36.121.119]] ([[User talk:49.36.121.119|talk]]) 02:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

: Here's the edit you made: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sethji_(TV_series)&diff=prev&oldid=1036192661]. One of the changes is visable. The other is hidden because the infobox does not have a field called "Concept". [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 03:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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== How to "find" vandalism? ==

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I can't search anything close to Qianball.

I know this question sounds wrong but where do vandalism reverters find vandalism?&nbsp;'''''[[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]]'''''[[User talk:Excellenc1|📞]] 03:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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:[[Wikipedia:Vandalism#How_to_spot_vandalism]] [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 06:31, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Hello, {{u|Excellenc1}}. I recommend adding every article that interests you to your [[WP:WATCHLIST|watchlist]], and check your watchlist frequently. Learn who the productive experienced editors are in the topic areas you follow, and ignore their edits because the risk of vandalism is low. Learn to look for something suspicious in edit summaries. For example, sometimes you will see an edit summary that says, "Fix typo" and you see that the edit added a lot of characters. View the diff. It might be vandalism with a lying edit summary. Not all IP editors are vandals, and not all redlinked accounts are vandals. But the likelihood of vandalism is increased somewhat, so it is reasonable to view the diffs if you have the time. Do not be quick to conclude "vandalism!" because an incorrect edit made in good faith is not vandalism. As time goes by, experience will inform your "spidey sense" or your ability to detect something that "looks fishy". Look into those edits, revert when necessary, warn when appropriate, and report to [[Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism]] when the problem is repeated and ongoing. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 06:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

The closest thing that has a ball is the 九轉乾坤鼎 Nine-Turn Qiánkūn Cauldron, which is a home decorative gold ball cauldron, or 金嵌珍珠天球儀 Gold-inlaid pearl celestial globe, which was crafted by the Imperial Household Department at [[Qianlong]].

== Notability for Talitha (Malaysian Musician) ==

🤔 [[Special:Contributions/223.122.220.239|223.122.220.239]] ([[User talk:223.122.220.239|talk]]) 22:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

An enthusiastic and promising editor wants to create a page for Talitha and reached out for feedback on notability. I have provided my feedback but I have limited expertise with Malaysian sources. Can someone look at our discussion and give a more conclusive advise [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nomadicghumakkad#Draft_to_be_created_(Talitha)]? Tagging them here [[User:MarkieC07|MarkieC07]]. Thanks!&nbsp;[[User:Nomadicghumakkad|Nomadicghumakkad]] ([[User talk:Nomadicghumakkad|talk]]) 03:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:So what? [[User:HQIQ|<span style="color:green;">'''''HQIQ'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:HQIQ|talk]]) 22:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I am [[User:MarkieC07|MarkieC07]] from Malaysia. As [[User:Nomadicghumakkad|Nomadicghumakkad]] had mentioned, I'm interested to create a Wikipedia page for Talitha, a Malaysian artist. Hence, I would appreciate if any reviewing editors/advocates could provide some advice regarding the notability and reliability of the sources mentioned in this discussion with me and [[User:Nomadicghumakkad|Nomadicghumakkad]]. Looking forward to meeting all of you guys here. Cheers, [[User:MarkieC07|MarkieC07]] ([[User talk:MarkieC07|talk]]) 16:37, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qianball (2nd nomination)|Sent to AfD]]. [[User:ChildrenWillListen|<span style="color:green">Children</span> <span style="color:purple">Will</span> <span style="color:red">Listen</span>]] ([[User talk:ChildrenWillListen|🐄 talk]], [[Special:Contributions/ChildrenWillListen|🫘 contribs]]) 02:38, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:Qianball in chinese is probably 錢球 (qiánqiú), which literally means coin ball. [[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 11:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::I had searched "錢球" and listed "錢球" as one of the 312 qians I searched. I can’t find any relevant. Only peoples’ names, plants’ names, products’ names, [[Moneyball]], [[Ballon d'Or]], and books. [[Special:Contributions/223.122.208.105|223.122.208.105]] ([[User talk:223.122.208.105|talk]]) 14:10, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:::Did more research, it could be 前球 (front ball) [[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 14:23, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:::: Where can I find information about the 前球? I couldn't find any relevant information now or before. [[Special:Contributions/223.122.208.105|223.122.208.105]] ([[User talk:223.122.208.105|talk]]) 18:34, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::You can search on Google, Blibli (if your chinese), Youtube. [[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 22:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Suggestions for / Assistance with article ==

== Why is Wikipedia like this? ==

Hello all,

Articles with no citations exist on Wikipedia but a draft with 13 (previously 11) citations gets declined for unreliability. If I had not followed the AfC procedure, [[Draft:The Good Burger|this draft]] would have been an article much before, without being deleted (I have seen many articles without proper citations, or citing just one source over and over). Why is this so? (P.S.: Sorry if I am [[WP:SHOUT|shouting]]) &nbsp;'''''[[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]]'''''[[User talk:Excellenc1|📞]] 04:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:Because drafting didn't exist until 2011 and was not made a requirement until 2018. Our standards and enforcement thereof have only toughened over the years. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] ^{<small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Jéské Couriano]]</small>} 04:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::{{u|Jéské Couriano}}, can you please provide a link to the "requirement" to use draft space? I write new articles fairly often and have never once used draft space. I work in my own sandbox subpages and move the articles to main space when I think they are well-referenced and ready. And not a single one of the 104 articles I have written has been deleted. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 05:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::{{reply|Cullen328}} There is no such requirement that I know of. The closest thing we have that comes to a "requirement" is [[WP:COI]], which recommends that editors with a conflict of interest submit their drafts via [[WP:AFC]], and that ''implies'' the use of draft space, but a personal sandbox or a user sub-page can be used also. In fact, AFC is really the only actual venue Wikipedia offers for editors with a COI to get something published here. Experienced editors like you and me write articles directly in main space, although I have put things in draft space from time to time when I can't improve something further and I think it's a notable topic but my draft isn't yet ready for prime time, [[Draft:Mark Cheverton]] being one example.

:::For new editors, I highly recommend they draft new articles anywhere ''but'' main article space, because they can take their time learning how to do things without worrying about someone coming along and deleting it. It's strongly recommended, but not a requirement. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 06:46, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::::Hello, {{u|Anachronist}}. Are you saying that when Jéské Couriano wrote {{tpq|and was not made a requirement until 2018}}, Jéské Couriano didn't say there was a requirement imposed in 2018? That is hard to understand. As for writing articles directly in main space, I have never done that. I write articles in my sandbox space until I am completely confident that I have a well-referenced, halfway decent article, and then I move it to main space, open to any good faith editor to improve. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 07:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::::I think we had an edit conflict, where I replaced the assertion to which you just responded. Anyway, yes, I've done the same thing starting from my sandbox, but for some articles I have found myself using "Preview" as my sandbox while writing an article in main space. I recall once it took me most of a day to get an article written, and it was all done by previewing it until I was satisfied that it was worthy of publication. For others, I'll preview it until I have a satisfactory deletion-proof stub, and then expand it. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 07:23, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

As I've worked on the [[2025 Malian protests]] page, I've realized that constraining the article to the crackdown on political participation and free expression in the country is failing to capture the whole picture of what's currently happening, particularly in regards to the country's recent difficulties with [[JNIM]] and other jihadist groups, as well as infighting within the military junta (though I've added context on that situation regardless, the reasoning for which can be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=1306952388 here]), which is necessarily constraining accurate reporting, as all of these elements are heavily interlinked. I'd appreciate any assistance or insight that anyone could provide on how to improve upon this. Perhaps moving the page to a different namesake to ease constraints on its subject matter? Regardless, I'm unfortunately not in a particularly good position to be researching and reporting on this topic entirely on my own. Any help that others of similar academic interest could provide would be greatly appreciated. A quick review of grammar/wordiness would also be appreciated. I'll look forward to seeing your edits on the page!

:{{U|Excellenc1}}, if you are shouting, then you are doing so in a very reasonable and civilized way. Simply, Wikipedia encompasses a huge amount of junk. Of course, this has all been perpetrated by people who are less informed, lazier or stupider than editors like myself -- except that from time to time it has been perpetrated by ''me'', personally, as {{U|TheTechnician27}} recently [[User_talk:TheTechnician27#Flubs|pointed out]] to my considerable embarrassment. I thereupon improved it, but it's still pretty bad. Here's one (not by me) that I happened to encounter just today: [[Tulane University School of Liberal Arts]], which, effectively, is a portrait of this School by the School itself. My gut response is to send hundreds or thousands of such things to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]], and let those who think the articles could be worthwhile do the work that somebody should have done in the first place: ''referencing''. But most annoyingly, it's instead the job of the would-be nominator to look for sources. No offence intended to the Tulane University School of Liberal Arts, but it's not a subject that interests me enough for me to want to poll Duckduckgo for reliable sources. And so I just ignore such stuff (usually). -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks in advance,

::Another factor is that new articles created in main-space by "normal" editors are "patrolled"; they are flagged automatically, and checked by special editors who can assess them. Long-term editors may be declared "auto-patrolled", which means their articles are automatically tagged as checked/approved without anyone actually doing any checking or approving. The checking process means that a new article is subject to more scrutiny than an article that has been lingering here for a decade, and which can slip under the radar. On discovering a badly-referenced article, some editors might nominate it for deletion, but others might feel the basic text is (probably) correct, and well-written, in which case they're more likely to decorate it with <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> tags and hope someone (else) does the work of finding some references ("cn" stands for "citation needed"). Personally, I'm a novice editor who's created two articles directly in main-space, both translations from German WP with additions, and I did it that way because I didn't know about the draft system; I'd probably do it again if I'm fairly confident the article's alright, because I've heard horror stories of AfC articles getting no attention for 18 months, while both of the articles I wrote were patrolled in a very helpful and constructive way within 24 hours. But yes, main-space is a place where failure to reference is likely to be jumped on, and new articles more so than old! [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 09:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

[[User:CSGinger14|CSGinger14]] ([[User talk:CSGinger14|talk]]) 00:56, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:CSGinger14|CSGinger14]] While [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mali]] is defunct, one of the people on the list is the evil genius known as {{ping|Dr. Blofeld}}. Maybe you can convince them to collaborate, if you tell them it is a devious scheme that leads to world domination. But be careful, they are dangerously insane and insanely dangerous! [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 02:20, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|Excellenc1}}, because not many editors (myself included) are willing to fight their way through thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of dross making the effort to look for sources to improve them or delete them. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

== Requesting a soft review of draft article ==

So in a nutshell:

* Old articles tend to lack citations as the draft system wasn't there to approve them ({{u|Jéské Couriano}}'s answer).

* Not all old articles, many users checked themselves and that was apt. {{u|Cullen328}}'s response.)

* There are many drops of ink in this ocean and they are very slowly cleaned. ({{u|Elemimele}}, {{u|Hoary}} and {{u|ColinFine}}'s answer).

(Sorry if I am not supposed to call you directly by your username but instead add a title before (like user, editor, Mr./Ms./Mrs. etc.) and I also apologize if my interpretation is wrong.) '''''[[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]]'''''[[User talk:Excellenc1|📞]] 17:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Excellenc1}} It's not just that the draft system didn't exist, the policies that govern how articles are written didn't exist either. [[WP:What Wikipedia is not]] wasn't created until late 2001, nearly a year after the project started. [[WP:Verifiability]], the requirement that articles be sourced, was first drafted in 2003. [[WP:BLP]] wasn't created untill 2005, in response to the [[Seigenthaler biography incident]]. [[WP:Notability]] wasn't written down as a policy until 2006. Even when these were written down we didn't get serious about enforcing them until about 2010 ish. There were literally millions of pages that were created in the early 2000's that would not be accepted today, but with 6 million articles and only a few thousand active editors it is going to take decades to clean up everything - bear in mind that not every unsourced stub needs deletion - a lot of them are about notable subjects but are just terribly written. [[WP:WikiProject Sweep]] is currently trying to organise a task force to sort through a load of these early pages. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 17:45, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I would appreciate a quick “soft review” of [[Draft:Gerald P. Curatola]] before I resubmit it at AfC.

:And calling people by their username is normal, {{U|Excellenc1}}. I would say it's quite unusual to use titles and honorifics in online forums in English, except perhaps by people from India. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

The draft has been revised to ensure neutral tone, all claims are cited to independent sources (Forbes, Miami Herald, Vogue, New York Post, Purist, Yahoo), and institutional recognition is supported with NYU Nexus PDFs and the ICD directory.

== Noticeboards, what to do when not enough editors are involved? ==

Does the sourcing and style now look sufficient to meet AfC standards?

Greetings! I openend a section on July 17th, @[[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RFC_Tghat.com]] whether a source was reliable or not, however last comment dates back to 18 July. There doesn't seem to be a consensus yet. Only 4 editors(excluding myself) responded, two expressing concern, and two in favour. I'm kind of new using noticeboards, does someone propose something? Or is it just waiting for others? I'm asking here, because Noticeboard doesn't seem to have clear cut procedure for this, {{tq|or did i overlook something?}} Thanks&nbsp;[[User:Dawit S Gondaria|Dawit S Gondaria]] ([[User talk:Dawit S Gondaria|talk]]) 05:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your guidance.

[[User:GCNYdentist|GCNYdentist]] ([[User talk:GCNYdentist|talk]]) 05:44, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's not that uncommon that a WP-discussion ends (at least for the time being) without "result". I think there was some sort of scientific study on it, actually. However, [[WP:APPNOTE]] can help. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 06:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:The draft needs all of its claims sourced if it is to be accepedt at AfC. [[User:Sushidude21!|Sushidude21!]] ([[User talk:Sushidude21!|talk]]) 06:48, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== Questions for Removing the Caution on the top of Our Wiki-page ==

:Hi @[[User:GCNYdentist|GCNYdentist]],

:After a quick review of the article, I have several thoughts. Firstly, you need to be able to cite material within the article itself, not simply provide a section that essentially serves as a way of justifying the page's creation. Information must be taken from the articles and referenced within the content of the page. Information on how to go about this can be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources here]. Additionally, though it requires far more investment and effort to explore the consensus reached by the site's users on matters of reliable sourcing, I would not imagine that many of the references used here would meet most editors definition of reputability. [[Vogue]], Southhampton Press, [[Forbes]], and the [[Miami Herald]] certainly do, but most others did not inspire confidence in me after a quick google search. [[Goop (company)|Goop]] sits in the middle, but I suspect many editors would view it in a similar manner to the reputability of publications such as [[The Daily Mail]].

:The mere fact of keeping the article balanced and encyclopedic doesn't discount the fact that it may not qualify under the English Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] guidelines, see [[Notability in the English Wikipedia]] for more details on this. A good (but, importantly, incomprehensive) rule of thumb is that if the source you're citing doesn't have a Wikipedia page of its own, it would not generally qualify as a reliable source. This might not necessarily apply in the case of highly esoteric journals or industry specific releases, but I'm not sure that this can really be said of several of the websites you've cited within the article. This is obviously made harder by the fact that there's a serious conflict of interest present. Without going into much further detail in an effort to respect [[WP:OPCAD]], I imagine that it is harder for you to view criticism of the subject's appearance in various publications from a neutral perspective; please see [[WP:PROUD]] for further explanation of this point. I've left several biographies of various persons in the medical field (both living and dead) to assist you in understanding how best to go about writing in a style more suitable to Wikipedia and its protocols. I wish you all the best, but I suspect you may want to consider whether or not it's best to publish the page at this point in time.

:[[Jessica Rickert]] / [[Ambroise Paré]] / [[Philipp Bozzini]]

:All the best, [[User:CSGinger14|CSGinger14]] ([[User talk:CSGinger14|talk]]) 06:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like [[wp:LLM|LLM]], which is inappropriate. [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]} 08:20, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for the detailed feedback. I understand the concerns raised about sourcing and style. To address them:

::* I am revising the draft so that every claim is supported by an inline citation within the text, not just in a list at the end.

::* I will limit references to independent, reliable publications such as ''Forbes'', the ''Miami Herald'', ''Vogue'', the ''New York Post'', ''The Purist'', and ''Yahoo News'', while removing lower-quality or non-independent sources.

::* I acknowledge the conflict of interest and will continue to follow WP:COI and WP:BLP by proposing changes on the Talk page for review by uninvolved editors.

::* The draft has been restructured into standard sections (Lead, Early life, Career, Publications, Patents, Media appearances) and rewritten in neutral encyclopedic tone.

::I appreciate the examples provided of medical biographies and will use them as models. The focus will be on verifiable, independent coverage that addresses notability under WP:GNG.

::Respectfully,

::[[User:GCNYdentist|GCNYdentist]] ([[User talk:GCNYdentist|talk]]) 01:36, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you all for the feedback. While I understand the concerns raised, I will address them:

:::* Inline citations – I am revising so that every claim is supported directly in the text.

:::* Source quality – I will keep references to independent, reliable publications (Forbes, Miami Herald, Vogue, New York Post, The Purist, Yahoo News) and remove lower-quality or non-independent sources.

:::* Neutral style – I have rewritten the draft into standard sections (Lead, Early life, Career, Publications, Patents, Media appearances) in an encyclopedic tone.

:::* Patents and academic role – These are cited to official USPTO/Google Patents and the NYU faculty profile.

:::* Conflict of interest – I acknowledge the COI and will continue to propose changes on the article’s Talk page for review by uninvolved editors.

:::* LLM concerns – I understand the caution. To avoid any appearance of LLM-style text, I am rewriting with verifiable sources only and focusing on neutral, fact-based prose.

:::My goal is to improve the existing live article [[Gerry Curatola]] with a neutral, verifiable version. A complete draft will be available in [[User:GCNYdentist/Curatola-rewrite]] for review on the Talk page.

:::Respectfully,

:::[[User:GCNYdentist|GCNYdentist]] ([[User talk:GCNYdentist|talk]]) 02:49, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Please don't start a second draft; make improvements to the existing version. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 08:35, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Help with a new submission ==

1. I want to know what is the "subject" in the Phase "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (August 2012)" and how to improve it and remove the caution? (from [[RIB_Software]])

Hi, I submitted a new article on V K Palanisamy Gounder ([[Draft:V. K. Palanisamy Gounder]]) but it was rejected. The two references I submitted are well researched. [[User:Murugavelms|Murugavelms]] ([[User talk:Murugavelms|talk]]) 10:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

2. I wonder what would happen if the article contained a lot of buzzwords?

How do I remove this warning？

（This article appears to contain a large number of buzzwords. (January 2018) from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIB_Software）&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/103.99.75.85|103.99.75.85]] ([[User talk:103.99.75.85|talk]]) 06:40, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Murugavelms|Murugavelms]] Your [[Draft:V. K. Palanisamy Gounder]] had only two sources, so large part of the content, including his philanthropy and his date of death, had nothing to allow readers to [[WP:verify]] what was written. You would need to fix this and attend to the comments of the reviewer before the draft could be accepted. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:The statement means that a company representative, or otherwise someone with a conflict of interest, has made substantive edits to the article. The article should be cleaned up to remove promotional content and buzzwords before the tag is removed. If the article comes across as a company brochure, with details that aren't relevant to readers, then it needs cleaning up. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 06:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Thank you for your kind comments. This page on the forgotten V K Palanisamy Gounder is the first attempt to get additional valid references to him by crowd sourcing. His primary project the Parambikulam Aliyar Project (well represented in Tamil YouTube videos) is an engineering marvel. I have addressed some of the issues and resubmitted. [[User:Murugavelms|Murugavelms]] ([[User talk:Murugavelms|talk]]) 06:48, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::That article actually says "RIB's iTWO is a cloud-based Big Data BIM 5D enterprise solution" which may be the most vapid string of obfuscating jargon that I have seen in a long time. Whoever writes in that fashion has ''absolutely no idea'' how to write a neutral encyclopedia article, which would explain that gobbledygook if it actually means anything. It must have been written by a paid junior PR person of some type. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 07:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:There's certainly far too much detail about the dam in an article about Gounder, @[[User:Murugavelms|Murugavelms]]. The way the section on the Dam is laid out is one reason for me thinking that this is LLM generated. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:12, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::The article was created in 2013 by an editor who did no other successful editing, then at times expanded by three other editors who only edited this article. And now an IP ask about why there is a tag "...on the top of Our Wiki-page." So, the answer is because multiple editors of this article are suspected of having a close connection to the subject, probably paid, but none ever declared their connection. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Thank you for the kind response. His primary project the Parambikulam Aliyar Project (well represented in Tamil YouTube videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuzzXTIaQZI , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ZAiAYnAyg) is an engineering marvel - but everything is in Tamil. I have addressed some of the issues and resubmitted. The idea is to get a stub approved and more information crowdsourced. My first submission on Jamal Ara was initially rejected (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Ara ) as there was very little I could gather - but once the stub was approved a lot of material has been added. [[User:Murugavelms|Murugavelms]] ([[User talk:Murugavelms|talk]]) 06:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Furthermore, the crucial part of the article - what [[RIB Software]] does - has no references. All the refs are for history and financial dealings. Notability has not been established. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:28, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Murugavelms|Murugavelms]] According to Jamal Ara's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamal_Ara&action=history&offset=&limit=500 revision history] your version was declined and it remained in draft form until several other editors worked on it and it was moved to mainspace more than a year later. You could take the same approach now, leaving the current draft where it is and maybe asking others in relevant Wikiprojects to expand it. Drafts are only deleted if not edited for 6 months. One thing is sure: articles for creation reviewers will not accept drafts unless they clearly demonstrate how the subject is [[WP:NBIO|notable]] based on what is actually written, not what might be later "crowdsourced". [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:27, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you for describing how Jamal Ara's page got approved. I have provided several references from Govt and *Major Indian English* newspaper sites on the individual's notability - statues and memorial halls recognizing Palanisamy's contribution have been inaugurated by the Govt. Please see below (Like Jamal Ara, he was forgotten) :

::::1) https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2025/Aug/12/cm-stalin-inaugurates-statues-memorial-halls-in-pollachi

::::2) https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Coimbatore/projects-to-honour-stalwarts-of-parambikulam-aliyar-project/article36442924.ece

::::3) https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/coimbatore/oct-7-will-be-observed-as-parambikulam-aliyar-project-day-says-stalin/articleshow/94716510.cms

::::4) The Indian Govt. maintained website gives a clear, brief biography : https://amritkaal.nic.in/district-reopsitory-detail.htm?19794

::::Most are in the local language (Tamil) - which is kind of difficult to locate.

::::All I'm hoping is to get the stub online with these. Thanks again. [[User:Murugavelms|Murugavelms]] ([[User talk:Murugavelms|talk]]) 16:06, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::The Times of India is not a reliable source. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 17:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::On this specific point of a reliable source - I concur with @[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] assessment. I will try to get more evidence of this forgotten man who envisioned the concept by hiking/riding elephants deep into the dense forests, planned and with political maneuvering got this engineering marvel completed (Please see & visit if visiting India : https://leelamusings.blogspot.com/2017/11/parambikulam-aliyar-project-eigth.html). [[User:Murugavelms|Murugavelms]] ([[User talk:Murugavelms|talk]]) 02:05, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== HelpSearch creating an articlevisual ==

Is there a way for the letters to go from black to grey when searching? For example, putting "Wi" in the search bar would make "'''Wi'''kipedia", but grey. I've looked through Preferences but can't find anything. <big><span style="color:green;">[[User:Ddellas|dom]]</span></big> 11:12, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

I am trying to create a wikipedia page for my company. I had submitted an article but was declined. I need to know what can be improved and what else is required for an article to be accepted. Would require help for the same.&nbsp;[[User:Analytics 123|Analytics 123]] ([[User talk:Analytics 123|talk]]) 06:45, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:If you're referring to [[Draft:Unomer]], it comes across as a marketing web page. It doesn't explain why the company would be considered notable, it's full of lists of inline external links that violate the [[WP:NOTDIRECTORY]] policy, it has no inline citations except to a couple of LinkedIn profiles. It gives a strong impression that you are attempting to use Wikipedia as a publicity platform (violating [[WP:NOTPROMOTION]] policy) rather than conveying content about a notable topic.

:Please read [[Wikipedia:Golden rule]] to get an idea of what is expected. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 06:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::{{u|Analytics 123}}, your draft includes these two unreferenced sentences, {{tpq|Unomer helps the market researchers, brand managers and consumer insight leaders to reach the tough segment through the right targeting. Creating surveys that are interactive, these are then distributed with our app partners who embed the same as an advertisement or banner on their UI or channel.}} That passage violates all three of Wikipedia's core content policies, [[WP:V|Verifiability]], the [[WP:NPOV|Neutral picture of view]], and [[WP:OR|No original research]]. This is the exact opposite of good encyclopedia article writing. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 07:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

: If you are writing about your company, you need to read about [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]], and make the mandatory declaration of [[WP:paid editing|paid editing]]. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 07:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:[[Autocomplete]]: that happens for me (in the form of a drop-down list), in the desktop view on my laptop. Are you using mobile web, or an app? What device? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:04, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

==About Veronika Matyunina==

::Mobile web on a Macbook <big><span style="color:green;">[[User:Ddellas|dom]]</span></big> 14:45, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== Creating a page for an artist ==

Hello, I'm Adam Daniel by original name ,whom my Ukrainian Slavic name is Lyubomyr Bilyovych, and my Croatian Slavic name is Berislav Ismailović, I'm from Malaysia and I'm 16 years old this year. I would like to tell you something about Veronika Matyunina:

How do I create a new page for an established artist with whom I have a COI?

Do you know that Veronika Matyunina is a Ukrainian table tennis player and athlete, and I like her very much. I actually created Wikipedia pages about her in other languages following Ukrainian, and I even have created the page about her in the Chinese and Simple English Wikipedia. For the page titled Veronika Matyunina, in the English Wikipedia, could you please let it be published and be clear and same as the Ukrainian Wikipedia page Матюніна Вероніка in a very short time and it's not more than a month? I like her very much. I'm even going to create pages in other languages about her. She is only 15 years old, young than me. Her age is even close to me though 9 months 3 days she's behind me.

I have been doing the link gathering. I'd prefer not write the page give my conflict and I also want it to be a real reference page because I did not get my library degree for nothing :)

ThankMany thanks in advance. you&nbsp;[[User:Adamdaniel864AllysonDombey|Adamdaniel864AllysonDombey]] ([[User talk:Adamdaniel864AllysonDombey|talk]]) 0717:0138, 30 JulyAugust 20212025 (UTC)

:Hello, @[[User:AllysonDombey|AllysonDombey]], and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

:{{U|Adamdaniel864}}, do you have a question about editing that wasn't answered in your earlier thread [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1118#Creation_of_the_page_Veronika_Matyunina_and_admitting_it_into_the_English_Wikipedia_as_a_page]]? If so, please ask it. Meanwhile, most of us like this or that person very much, but I neither presume that you'd be interested in who it is that I like nor expect that an article will materialize about a person because I like her. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:A [[WP:COI|COI]] does not prevent you from creating a draft and submitting it for review via the [[WP:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]] process, as long as you declare your COI; and frankly, that's the only way you are likely to get such an article created.

: You need to read the answer to your previous question at [[WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1118#Creation of the page Veronika Matyunina and admitting it into the English Wikipedia as a page]], add the necessary [[WP:REFB|references]], and submit the draft for review. Note also that [[WP:there is no deadline|there is no deadline]]. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 07:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:Having said that, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}

::Courtesy: [[Draft:Veronika Matyunina]], no references, not submitted to AfC. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:If you do decide to go ahead with this, whether now or after getting some experience with editing Wikipedia, remember that:

:* Absolutely nothing you know about the artist is relevant to an article about them unless it is [[WP:V|verifiable]] from a reliable published source; and

:* Very little that the artist says or wants to say about themselves, or that their associates or institutions say about them, is relevant unless it is verifiable from a [[WP:IS|source wholly unconnected with them]].

:It follows that by far the most efficient way of creating an article is to find some sources and verify that most of them meet all the criteria in [[WP:42]], before even creating a draft, let alone writing any text.

:You may notice as well, that I have not referred to a "page" but an "article". While an article is one kind of page, I recommend thinking of it as an article about the artist, not a page for them, as this may help you to keep to a [[WP:neutral point of view|neutral point of view]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:55, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you. I totally get the spending time on the platform but I have a typing disability so my time is quite limited, so Ill do what I can.

::Is there a place I submit a list of links and draft article and look for an editor who would be interested in taking it forward? [[User:AllysonDombey|AllysonDombey]] ([[User talk:AllysonDombey|talk]]) 18:02, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::You are most unlikely to find anyone to do this work for you, you will need to submit a draft using the [[WP:AFC]] process. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 18:09, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::::ok great. that's all I need to know. [[User:AllysonDombey|AllysonDombey]] ([[User talk:AllysonDombey|talk]]) 18:12, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::you can place them down at [[User talk:Waning Star|my talk page]], and i'll see what I can do. [[User:Waning Star|Waning Star]] ([[User talk:Waning Star|talk]]) 18:09, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== Top and bottom arrows ==

== Requesting to change the title of an existing page ==

I do not think these were always there, but maybe I just did not notice them before. There is a top and bottom arrow which floats around on my screen on this teahouse page, but not all pages. Is there a way that I can turn that off? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 20:20, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

What is the procedure to change the title of an existing Wikipedia page if it can confuse the readers of another page that has the same name? Case in point, The Wikipedia page of Sega's [[Dreamcast|The Dreamcast]] gaming console, which has a direct name conflict with 'Dreamcast', a Virtual Events Platform based in India. Kindly let me know how to go about doing it, as there is no 'Move' functionality on the page, & efforts to rename the title & the inside text of the page have been disapproved.

:yes as an editor of 19 years here, I'd like to know how to be rid of them too, they always partially obscure the last entry. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 20:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

[[User:DCFrontlines|DCFrontlines]] ([[User talk:DCFrontlines|talk]]) 08:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:DCFrontlines|DCFrontlines]] ([[User talk:DCFrontlines|talk]]) 08:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Exactly. Would be great if you learn something new (if it is possible to remove them at all), after almost two decades! [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 21:12, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Iljhgtn}} Add this to {{yourcss}}

:::<syntaxhighlight lang="css">

#skip-to-top-button, #skip-to-bottom-button {display: none;}

</syntaxhighlight>

:::[[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:14, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you I think that worked. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 21:17, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::@[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] try it. I think this was a quick and easy fix. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 21:17, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::I don't think they used to obscure the last entry, until a week or two ago. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:50, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::I did not notice this being a problem until just recently. But they did in fact obscure the last entry, partially, for me until I implemented @[[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]]'s solution which worked. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 21:51, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Iljhgtn}} {{ping|Theroadislong}} {{ping|PrimeHunter}} {{ping|ColinFine}} For those who half-like the buttons, try

:::<syntaxhighlight lang="css">

#skip-to-top-button, #skip-to-bottom-button {opacity: 0.5;}

</syntaxhighlight>

:::in {{yourcss}}. [[User:Bazza_7|Bazza&nbsp;<span style="color:grey">7</span>]] ([[User_talk:Bazza_7|talk]]) 13:03, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Requesting "soft review" ==

:You can use a hat note to direct readers to the other article (assuming it actually exists). Example: <code><nowiki>{{About|USE1||PAGE2}}</nowiki></code> would appear as follows:

:{{About|USE1||PAGE2}}

:See [[Wikipedia:Hatnote]]. [[User:Zudo|Zudo]] ([[User talk:Zudo|talk]]) 08:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

: If an article about the other subject is produced (perhaps by getting a draft approved), the disambiguation can be handled at that time. The reason that you can't see the [[WP:move|move]] functionality is that your account is not [[WP:autoconfirmed|autoconfirmed]], so you don't have the experience to perform a move. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 08:31, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm probably not going to go through the AFC process for [[Draft:Toontown Rewritten]] since the subject very obviously passes [[WP:GNG]] and [[WP:NGAME]], but I'd really appreciate it if anyone wouldn't mind looking over the draft at the moment, as I'm still unsure on my wording, particularly in the tone environment. Thanks! [[User:Serilly|<span style="color:hotpink;">⋆˚꩜｡ '''serilly!''' (he/him)</span>]] ([[User talk:Serilly|talk]]) 01:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Article got declined - Please Help ==

:Really nice job. I found the writing compelling and engaging without feeling like anything was being promoted to me. I would have liked to see more on Disney's reaction but it looks like the sources say there isn't really any. Sources are good. If you submitted it for review, I'd give it more than a "soft review" but I'm quite sure I'd approve it rather than decline it. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 05:35, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi,

::I might have to go through AFC either way since it turns out [[Toontown Rewritten]] is a redirect lol. [[User:Serilly|<span style="color:hotpink;">⋆˚꩜｡ '''serilly!''' (he/him)</span>]] ([[User talk:Serilly|talk]]) 12:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

I need suggestion on an article which got declined, I tried to fix but not working.

:::Hello, @[[User:Serilly|Serilly]]. Not necessarily - you can request it at [[WP:RM]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:13, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Please help me by suggesting what to correct on this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Reetha_Ramudoo

::::Oh, well, I did anyways but this is good to know for the future, thanks! It can be hard to navigate Wikipedia sometimes haha [[User:Serilly|<span style="color:hotpink;">⋆˚꩜｡ '''serilly!''' (he/him)</span>]] ([[User talk:Serilly|talk]]) 16:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Social media as a source for articles ==

Q : Is the article getting declined because of adding movie title links on Career ? <br>

Q : I have added a reference link of e-newspaper, Is e-newspaper aren't acceptable ?

Hello users, could social media be cited as sources in these articles? If not, then can you please explain on why is social media not a reliable source? Additionally, are there any examples of social media not being a reliable source, and what are the appropriate usage? Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/75.39.165.140|75.39.165.140]] ([[User talk:75.39.165.140|talk]]) 04:44, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks & Regards&nbsp;[[User:KeechB|KeechB]] ([[User talk:KeechB|talk]]) 12:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:Simply put, we don't cite user generated content because there is no assurance of fact checking and accuracy. [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] explains what a reliable source is, and [[Wikipedia:Golden Rule]] provides a brief overview of what kind of sources are preferred. We can cite social media only to verify what someone writes on social media. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 05:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{U|KeechB}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. 1. It's reasonable to Wikilink to articles about a person's works; but you give no reference to support the claim that she was involved in those films, and our articles about them do not mention her. Unless you can find a reliably published source for her connection with those movies, then don't mention them in the article about her. And, though it's not a reason for declining the draft, it would be better if it said what her role was in those films, rather than the vague "launched" - I'm guessing from the previous paragraph that what you mean is that her company distributed them in Malaysia, and I don't see why that is encyclopaedic: thousands of films get distributed in hundreds of countries by thousands of companies: so what? 2. there's nothing necessarily wrong with an e-newspaper. There are three requirements for a source to contribute to establishing [[WP:notability|notability]] first, that it be [[WP:RS|reliably published]] - it doesn't matter what media, whether online or not, what language; but is it published by someone with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control? Secondly, is it [[WP:IS|independent]] of the subject? The Deccan Chronicle citations are merely reporting her words, and so are not independent of her. Non-independent sources can be used for certain limited purpose (see [[WP:SPS]]) but do not contribute to establishing notability. And third, they must contain [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]] of the subject. Sources with passing mentions may be used for supporting specific statements in an article, but do not contribute to establishing notability.

:I notice that your five citations are actually to only two sources: the first two are the same article, which is mostly an interview; the other three are all to the same short article, which is pretty clearly based on a press release.

:Creating an article is one of the most difficult tasks there is for an experienced editor: I liken it to starting work as a builder's apprentice and trying to build a house on your first day. What makes it so difficult is the bits that ordinary people don't see: in this case, finding the sources. If you don't survey the ground and build your foundations before you start building your house, it will probably fall down and your work will be wasted. If you don't find the reliable, independent sources before you start writing, your draft will probably not be accepted and your work will be wasted.

:I suggest you find three articles, published in reliable sources, where people unconnected with her have written about her at some length, and write your draft around these. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Generally, social media is not reliable, but there may be exceptions, such as tweets by government agencies(e.g. NTSB, RAIB etc). Forums are not reliable sources, but may be useful as sources of reliable sources (e.g. news stories). [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 07:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Reverting my Contributions ==

== ساعدوني انا في خطر بسبب عائلتي ==

This article in Wikipedia was poorly written : [[Front-end web development]], So I myself who is a Front-end developer added some information to the page which makes it clear that what exactly is Front-end web development, also I added an Roadmap image which is my own property which gives a clear idea about front end development.

Now a user named [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] started reverting my contribution and he is doing this from last two days. I warned him many for not repeating that but keeps on reverting my changes and instead he warned me back. I checked his talk page and found out that he has been doing all this with a lot of people without giving proper reasons.

Please help and take a look at this matter its very annoying as he keep on repeating this behavior. Thank You&nbsp;[[User:Hacker8679|Hacker8679]] ([[User talk:Hacker8679|talk]]) 12:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Hacker8679}}, please read [[WP:BRD]]. You '''b'''oldly made an edit, and another editor '''r'''everted it. You should then have '''d'''iscussed it on the article's talk page. Instead you engaged in an edit was with two other editors, were [[User talk:Hacker8679|warned]] for edit-warring, continued to edit-war, and got yourself blocked for a week. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 15:05, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Count is now three editors who have reverted you, and one (MrOllie) who has initiated a '''d'''iscussion on the Talk page. Go there. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 17:46, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

انا اتعرض للتعنيف من عائلتي واخواني الكبار اتعرض للضرب والتحرش منهم عمري 18 لا يمكنني فعل اي شي لا امتلك حتى مال اقرر الهروب ان علمو ربما يقتلوني اتمنى ان يساعدني احد اسكن في بغداد هم عائلة مسلمة بكن انا اريد ان امون مسيحية ان علمو ربما يقتلوني اتمنى احد ان ينقذني اتعرض للتعنيف! [[Special:Contributions/5.62.146.103|5.62.146.103]] ([[User talk:5.62.146.103|talk]]) 05:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Edits on the Page [[Tim Southee]] ==

:أنا آسف جدًا لسماع أنك تمر بهذه الظروف الصعبة. ويكيبيديا ليست المكان المناسب للحصول على مساعدة طبية أو طارئة، ولكن من المهم جدًا أن تتواصل مع أشخاص يمكنهم مساعدتك فورًا. إذا كنت في خطر مباشر، الرجاء الاتصال بخدمات الطوارئ في بلدك. يمكنك أيضًا زيارة https://findahelpline.com للعثور على خط مساعدة في العراق أو قريب منك. من فضلك اعتني بنفسك وأبحث عن دعم آمن خارج ويكيبيديا. [[User:Thilio|Thilio]]^{[[User talk:Thilio|<span class="robot-signature"><span class="robot-text" style="color:green;">R O B O T</span></span><span class="robot-emoji">🤖</span> <span style="color:#00008B;">talk</span>]]} 05:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi Wikipedians, I have recently edited Cricketer [[Tim Southee|Tim Southee's article]] and have added info on his performances in the [[2019 Cricket World Cup|Cricket world cup 2019]]. I would like someone to check them and let me know if anything needs to be done. Thanks in advance!!!!&nbsp;[[User:Jocelin Andrea|Jocelin Andrea]] ([[User talk:Jocelin Andrea|talk]]) 13:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Why speak in other languages? Is it Farsi or Arabic? [[User:FatCatInTheMemeHat|<span style="color:green;">'''''FatCatInTheMemeHat'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:FatCatInTheMemeHat|talk]]) 10:48, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:FatCatInTheMemeHat|FatCatInTheMemeHat]] Welcome to Teahouse....... I replied in Arabic because the editor posted their message in Arabic and may not understand English well. I wanted to make sure they understood the safety resources provided.... and yes is Arabic not Farsi. [[User:Thilio|Thilio]]^{[[User talk:Thilio|<span class="robot-signature"><span class="robot-text" style="color:green;">R O B O T</span></span><span class="robot-emoji">🤖</span> <span style="color:#00008B;">talk</span>]]} 11:10, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Thilio|Thilio]] oh. I speak Farsi, [[User:FatCatInTheMemeHat|<span style="color:green;">'''''FatCatInTheMemeHat'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:FatCatInTheMemeHat|talk]]) 11:10, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== DisneylandPromotional Tune ==

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:[[P&T]]?--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|^{feed me}]] 16:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Please and thanks [[Special:Contributions/92.236.253.249|92.236.253.249]] ([[User talk:92.236.253.249|talk]]) 16:47, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{courtesy link|Draft:General Petroleum GmbH}}

== Requesting updates to law firm page ==

:Hi @[[User:Rollno007|Rollno007]]: firstly, your draft has been ''declined'', not rejected; decline means you're allowed to resubmit after addressing the decline reasons, whereas rejection would mean the end of the road.

:Secondly, my decline was not for "promotional tune" (or even tone), it was for complete lack of evidence that this subject is in any way [[WP:notable|notable]] per [[WP:NCORP]].

:The earlier decline was because the reviewer felt that the draft had been composed using AI. It is true that ''one of'' the hallmarks of AI-generated text is 'promotional tone', but there are many others (as explained in the decline notice), and this draft wasn't specifically declined for promotional tone.

:As for any other articles that may be out there, this is the so-called [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] argument, which is a fallacy. A common, and perhaps even understandable one, but a fallacy all the same. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 07:19, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Aggressive IPs ==

Hello! I'm an employee of [[Thompson_Coburn|Thompson Coburn LLP]] and would love the assistance of Wikipedia editors in making a few updates to our page. In July 2021 we opened a new office in New York. [https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/thompson-coburn-makes-new-york-debut-with-midsize-merger-2021-06-23/ Reuters news story]

1) Could the info box at the top be changed to "7" offices?

2) In the first sentence, could New York be added to the list of offices and the total headcount be changed to "more than 400" (Source: https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2021/06/23/new-york-firm-and-thompson-coburn-to-merge-eyeing-benefits-of-scale/?slreturn=20210630104006)

Thank you!

Allison&nbsp;[[User:Spencecomms|Spencecomms]] ([[User talk:Spencecomms|talk]]) 14:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Spencecomms}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please make this request on the article talk page, [[Talk:Thompson Coburn]], in the form of an [[WP:ER|edit request]](click for instructions). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::{{u|Spencecomms}} thank you for doing things properly, and declaring your conflict of interest, and for transferring the requested edit to the talk page of the article. I have made the edit as it seemed uncontroversial and it is best that WP is accurate. Nevertheless, the reference you've used is in a source that's not ideally accessible to an every-day reader (requires registering to a site that permits only one article-read per month). If you have a better reference, it would no doubt be appreciated. [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 17:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::{{u|Elemimele}} Thank you very much for your assistance. Here is another reference that I believe should be accessible to all readers that also has the "more than 400" attorneys information, if you'd like to sub it in. <ref>{{cite web |title=Thompson Coburn Acquires Hahn & Hessen, Enters N.Y. Legal Market |url=https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/thompson-coburn-acquires-hahn-hessen-enters-n-y-legal-market |publisher=Bloomberg}}</ref> Thank you again! [[User:Spencecomms|Spencecomms]] ([[User talk:Spencecomms|talk]]) 17:40, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

{{reftalk}}

Can someone please help. I am being aggressively vandalized by IP's on my TP and otherwise. I have already reported them, but just see my talk page. It was literally spinning. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 07:50, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== AfD discussions ==

:Looks like it might have stopped... [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 07:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Is there a guideline, policy, or even an essay discouraging an AfD nominator from responding to other editors in the deletion discussion? I've come across multiple instances where I've been told it looks really bad, but in almost all cases the user in question has been previously flagged for a policy or guideline violation or their account is relatively new. I've read through a few policies and guidelines relevant to AfDs but I can't find anything discouraging this kind of discussion. Once or twice I've had editors claim I'm not following [[WP:CIVILITY]] guidelines, but I'm asking specifically about whether making comments in an AfD after the nomination is bad or not.&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 16:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Never mind, it has most definitely NOT stopped. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 07:55, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

: {{re|TipsyElephant}} At [[WP:AFD]] it says "Nomination already implies that the nominator recommends deletion (unless indicated otherwise), and nominators should refrain from repeating this." [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 16:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::Report this at [[WP:AIV]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 08:29, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

: {{re|TipsyElephant}} I'm not sure if this applies to what your asking, but it might also be worth having a read of [[WP:BLUDGEON]]. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 16:46, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Thank you {{u|RudolfRed}} and {{u|192.76.8.91}}. I'll keep these in mind. If an editor brings up a point I hadn't considered but still believe is faulty is it appropriate to edit my original rationale? [[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 16:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::{{re|TipsyElephant}} You can add additional stuff to the deletion rationale, but it should be done in a way that it is clear to anyone reading the discussion that it was added after the discussion was started, for example you might add an additional comment underneath the nomination. You shouldn't change the original statement after other people have responded to it as it makes their comments meaningless or difficult to follow. If you do need to correct an error in the nom statement you should strike out the mistake with <nowiki><s></s></nowiki> tags, rather than deleting it. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 17:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::::{{u|TipsyElephant}}, do not edit your original rationale except to strike out errors. If another editor asks you a question, answer it. If another editor make a good point, concede the point. If another editor is wrong factually, gently point that out. But it is bad form for an AfD nominator to try to refute every "Keep" opinion. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 17:03, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::::Just as [[User:Cullen328]] has said. But also be aware that people who don't want to discuss and merely want to drive-by "[[WP:NOTAVOTE|vote]]", will often try to use BLUDGEON to try to prevent having to support their assertion. AfD is a discussion page, not a voting page. But in all, be Civil, and be prudent. as the others said, and try to [[WP:AGF]] as much as you can. And be prepared to explain and discuss should you be asked to as well. I hope this helps : ) - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 19:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

== Undeletion ==

== Jewish Lithuanian history on Hasidic Judaism in Lithuania ==

When proded pages have expired, deleted, then undeleted, are they undeleted or moved to draftspace? [[User:Logoshimpo|Logoshimpo]] ([[User talk:Logoshimpo|talk]]) 10:19, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello; I just put the [[Template:Jewish Lithuanian history|Jewish Lithuanian history template]] on the article [[Hasidic Judaism in Lithuania]], but I want the template's section "Groups" to remain expanded, as this is the section that includes that Hasidic Judaism article. I want to know how this can be done. Thank you,&nbsp;[[User:Charlie Smith FDTB|Charlie Smith FDTB]] ([[User talk:Charlie Smith FDTB|talk]]) 17:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:Hello, {{U|Charlie Smith FDTB}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks to me as if this can be done, but it will need an edit to the Template. If you look at {{tl|Sidebar with collapsible lists}}, it says there is an option <code>|expanded=</code>, but that needs as a value the name of the particular list. But as far as I can see {{tl|Jewish Lithuanian history}} doesn't define the <code>name</code> parameters for its lists. I think you'll need to edit that template to add (eg)

list1name=groups

:and then you'll be able to add

expanded=groups

:to the call in the article. (I'd have tried it myself if it had just required a change to the article, but I don't want to play about with editing a template). --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Okay, thank you very much, [[User:Charlie Smith FDTB|Charlie Smith FDTB]] ([[User talk:Charlie Smith FDTB|talk]]) 22:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:In which context? [[User:FatCatInTheMemeHat|<span style="color:green;">'''''FatCatInTheMemeHat'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:FatCatInTheMemeHat|talk]]) 10:49, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Need help with Tone ==

::I'm wondering about the policy. [[User:Logoshimpo|Logoshimpo]] ([[User talk:Logoshimpo|talk]]) 11:17, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

{{Moved discussion from|Wikipedia talk:Teahouse#Need help with Tone| —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 17:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)}}

:::The default policy is to restore to article space. Someone may consider the page is unsuitable as an article and move to draft space, but that is not default expectation. Another common outcome after a prod reversal is that someone will nominate the page for [[WP:AFD]]. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 11:44, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::::To follow up on FatCatInTheMemeHat's question: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hi_Tech_Expressions&action=edit&redlink=1] was undeleted into draftspace. Does this answer your question: [[User:FatCatInTheMemeHat]]? [[User:Logoshimpo|Logoshimpo]] ([[User talk:Logoshimpo|talk]]) 11:57, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== More citiation needed deletion ==

{{courtesy link|Draft:Amir Ghavidel}}<br>

Hello. I have submitted my draft for Amir Ghavidel for quite some time, and it has been reworked many times. It got rejected again today for having a praising tone for the subject. And I know that my close relationship with the subject does not help it either. So, I butchered the article again and cut many parts. The way I read it, I am not talking up the subject after these new changes.

Hi everyone,

I would appreciate it if anyone can take a look at it, so I won't take my and anyone else's time on this. It won't take much of your time with its humble 3 paragraphs.

I’ve been working on improving the article [[Big Ass Lake]] (Nova Scotia). The article currently has the [[Help:Maintenance template removal|<nowiki>{{More citiation needed}}</nowiki>]] tag at the top, but I believe it may now be outdated.

Thanks Wikipedia community.[[User:Ngm 7|Ngm 7]] ([[User talk:Ngm 7|talk]]) 17:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:To be specific, today's action was a Declined (4th), not a Rejection. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 17:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

The article has:

:: {{re|David notMD}} Thank you for the correction. I'm not quite familiar with the lingo.[[User:Ngm 7|Ngm 7]] ([[User talk:Ngm 7|talk]]) 17:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::Rejection more severe/final. I did a bit of clean-up toward neutral tone. Are their any potential sources other than IBDb to confirm his accomplishments as film director, screenwriter, etc.? [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::: {{re|David notMD}} That's very kind of you. Thank you. For the Iranian Cinema, it is mainly the Iranian Movie Database which has been listed as reference. There are other articles as well (some referenced) but mostly in the Persian language. This one is on BBC for example: https://www.bbc.com/persian/iran/2009/11/091110_na_pj_ghavidel_cinema [[User:Ngm 7|Ngm 7]] ([[User talk:Ngm 7|talk]]) 18:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::: {{re|David notMD}} On the last BBC link, it says and I'm merely translating (not promoting) "Even though Ghavidel's name was not mentioned a lot in the artistic cinema of Iran, but his power of filmmaking is undeniable, and the fact that he made a film such as "Sardar-e Jangal" demonstrates his dominance and skill in directing large-scale cinematic projects". I didn't cite it, cause the writer of the article has a praising tone. [[User:Ngm 7|Ngm 7]] ([[User talk:Ngm 7|talk]]) 18:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::::Hello, {{U|Ngm 7}}. It's fine to quote a favorable evaluation of the subject as long as 1) you make it clear that it is a quotation, and cite the source; 2) the source is genuinely independent of the subject (not a colleague or an employer, for example) and 3) if there are equally prominent independent sources that are negative, you cite them as well. (You don't necessarily need to quote them, but should make clear that there are other views than the one you quoted). --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:::::: Thank you {{U| ColinFine}}. I will keep that in mind.[[User:Ngm 7|Ngm 7]] ([[User talk:Ngm 7|talk]]) 19:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

21 reliable citations across 8 sections (Excluding See also, Reference, External links) and 747 words (Including infobox, see also, reference, etc..)

== What's the correct procedure for minor CoI changes that cannot be referenced properly because they're too minor to interest secondary sources? ==

Every section has at least one reliable inline citation, and all major claims are verifiable.

This is something that happens quite a lot, I think: we have an article on a clearly notable company or institution, which says it has three divisions and 2400 staff, referenced to something sensible. Then it restructures itself into four divisions and ends up with 2250 staff. Even the local newspapers are more excited about a newly-discovered cannabis farm in someone's attic than a rather dull internal restructuring of the national institute for mushroom research, so the change goes unreported. Up pops an employee, declaring their CoI, and in possession of a press-release confirming the change. What do we do? If we don't accept edits like this, on the reasonable grounds that the proposer has a conflict of interest and the reference isn't independent, then we end up with an inaccurate article. But if we do, we're accepting double-standards on references and edits. What's the right thing to do?&nbsp;[[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 17:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:I think this is a matter of [[WP:SPS|SPS]]s, {{U|Elemimele}}. While the number of employees ''could'' be controversial, in most cases it is not, and we can accept eg their own website, including a press-release that they've put up on their website. If it's never been published anywhere, that's a different matter, though. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Thanks, {{u|ColinFine}}, that makes sense. [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 22:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Would it be reasonable to remove the <nowiki>{{More citiations needed}}</nowiki> template now, or do editors feel it should remain until further improvements are made? [[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 11:38, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== My articles keep getting rejected for very vague reasons and it doesn't seem constructive ==

{{Moved discussion from|Wikipedia talk:Teahouse#My articles keep getting rejected for very vague reasons and it doesn't seem constructive| &#8213;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:gray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 21:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)}}

: If "all major claims are verifiable" does that mean some other claims are not? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:56, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|Draft:Transgender Rights in Wales}}

::Thanks Andy—what i meant is that all claims in the article are backed by inline citations, and every section has at least one reliable source. None of the statements are unsourced; i just wanted to emphasize that the key information (history, geography, wildlife, etc.) is fully verifiable. [[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 12:10, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:::Then yes, you can remove it. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:57, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Mixup in article associations ==

Hello, I have recently had two articles declined and sent back to me to edit again. The first few times there was genuine feedback that I implemented, however, now all I am getting are very vague or unelaborated declinings that seem very out of place? My draft on Transgender rights in Wales (currently pending again) was rejected for not using a formal register, however, I really feel I was using a formal register. I think it's very strange that it got rejected for this reason, as I have enough reliable sources and content to qualify for a page, a previous rejector noting this and advising on more elaboration the first time. I have extensive UK qualifications (A levels and above) in English Language so I'm well aware of what constitutes a formal register - this recent rejection, it just seems off and out of place (especially when much of my article includes quotes from Uk legislation, which is the one of the most formal registers possible I feel. Re: my other pending draft on discrimination against transgender men, I think that one just hasn't been seen yet, which is okay.

Can anyone shed light on why my draft may have been rejected and provide useful feedback on how to improve it?

Thank you

(edit: my apologies, my dumb ass posted this in the wrong place. Don't wikipedia and sleep deprived)

[[User:Transandrosupport|Vulture (a.k.a. Transandrosupport)]] ([[User talk:Transandrosupport|talk]]) 21:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|Transandrosupport}}. The latest reviewer, {{u|Bilorv}}, left some very detailed and constructive feedback on your talk page. Bilorv most certainly did not reject your draft. They were encouraging and asked for some specific changes. Have you read what Bilorv wrote? [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 21:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::Hello {{u|Cullen}} - I just read that now and yeah, it isn't discouraging this time. The last reviewer straight up didn't leave a reason hence I was quite irked. I'm unfortunately in the middle of a lot of Uni work but I hope to amend the article as much as I can tonight. Thank you for all your patience <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Transandrosupport|Transandrosupport]] ([[User talk:Transandrosupport#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Transandrosupport|contribs]]) 22:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC)</span>

:::I'd just like to add to this, {{U|Transandrosupport}}, that the responses you're receiving in the big pink templates have default wording, but the comments are handwritten. The decline you're talking about is someone clicking "essay" as the decline reason, and I agree with that decline reason. The implication is not supposed to be that you're unable to write in a formal register, but that the draft doesn't read with the tone of a Wikipedia article. Phrases like "The reception has been broadly positive from the LGBTQ+ community in Wales, though many still note that there is a long way to go" are perfectly fine in other contexts (maybe a university essay), but on Wikipedia the aim is to have no opinionated voice—no insertion of our own opinions and no uncritical repetition of biased sources. ''PinkNews'' is just one tabloid-ish news source so it can't really be used to describe the whole scope of the LGBT+ response to such a broad plan.

:::For what it's worth, I know of at least one outstanding editor who failed GCSE English and has been the most major writer of some of our best-quality articles, so writing in a Wikipedia style is not so much a matter of having formal qualifications, but learning from feedback and others' works.

:::I'm planning to re-review the draft you've submitted sometime in the next 18 hours, depending on real life factors. Before this month, your maximum wait time for a draft would be five months, because of a critical shortage of reviewers, but a concentrated effort of thousands of volunteer labour hours over July has helped us nearly clear our months-long backlog of several thousand drafts. If a draft doesn't get a response, that just means no-one has had the time and energy to assess it yet. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 23:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello there, I noticed today that some articles have been associated with my username, even though I didn't write them or know anything about them. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrtnGslr#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Diffusion_Fundamentals_(May_25)] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrtnGslr#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Diffusion_Fundamentals_(October_20)]. Both comments are about the same page called "Diffusion Fundamentals".

== [[Draft:Anthon Bosch]] ==

I wonder if this is connected with my account being renamed from "Martin Geisler" to "MrtnGslr"? Any help would be appreciated, thanks! [[User:MrtnGslr|MrtnGslr]] ([[User talk:MrtnGslr|talk]]) 11:54, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

I am really unable to understand why Wikipedia won't accept this Draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anthon_Bosch

:@[[User:Explicit|Explicit]] See above. I can't see the deleted article. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 14:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

He is a professional snowboarder and an [https://olympics.com/en/video/going-up-ride-the-big-air-slope-with-anthon-bosch Olympian]. He clearly passes [[WP:SPORTBASIC]] & [[WP:NOLYMPICS]] as he has played on various [https://www.fis-ski.com/DB/general/athlete-biography.html?sectorcode=sb&competitorid=194169&type=result major leagues]. If there is no specific criteria for snowboarders, then there should be one created. It's not a barely played sport.

::I can't figure it out either. It might have something to do with the script [[WP:AFCH]], as the notices came from AFC reviewers. The deletion notice by {{U|FireflyBot}} correctly went to {{np|Martin Geisler}} only. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 14:50, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Is an international professional player not notable enough? What can be done? This group seems to be inactive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Skiing_and_Snowboarding [[User:DyingLightquests|DyingLightquests]] ([[User talk:DyingLightquests|talk]]) 00:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:DyingLightquests|DyingLightquests]] ([[User talk:DyingLightquests|talk]]) 00:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:::{{ping|MrtnGslr}} The draft was created by [[User:Martin Geisler]] who hasn't created a user page so it still shows the old move from your first rename. That may have confused the script which was used to post the messages. [[MediaWiki:Gadget-afchelper.js/core.js#L-1337]] says "Notifies a user. Follows redirects". There is no redirect here but the user page says it was moved without leaving a redirect so the script may have thought that was good enough. I haven't looked into the implementation. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:31, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:[[User:DyingLightquests|DyingLightquests]], I think the problem is in the sources. Most of them I have never heard of, except for olympics.com. Try to find better sources. I don't know too much else, pinging [[User:DoubleGrazing]] and [[User:Tamingimpala]]. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]]) 00:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

::::Thanks all for investigating! I will go clean up the confusing posts. [[User:MrtnGslr|MrtnGslr]] ([[User talk:MrtnGslr|talk]]) 21:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::[[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] I have seen many many pages with only a few references and they are usually tagged as [[Wikipedia:Stub#Basic_information|Stubs]]. The Olympics and FSI are enough! Just because the media giants didn't cover him doesn't mean he is a nobody. He is literally the first person to represent the African continent in Winter Olympic. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DyingLightquests|DyingLightquests]] ([[User talk:DyingLightquests#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DyingLightquests|contribs]]) </span>

== <nowiki>[[File:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> ==

:::Thanks for pinging me, {{u|Sungodtemple}}. Hi {{re|DyingLightquests}} happy to account for my decision. The way I see it:

:::*This person is ''not'' an Olympian, as they haven't yet competed at the (forthcoming 2022) games, which is what [[WP:NOLYMPICS]] requires; that may well change in approximately six months' time, and in that sense this could be just a case of [[WP:TOOSOON]] — then again, ''anything'' could change, and lest we forget, Wikipedia is not a [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]].

:::*Being a 'professional international player' is indeed accepted for some sports as a notability criterion, but as pointed out already, there are no specific criteria for snowboarding. Therefore we have to rely on the general [[WP:GNG]] notability rules, which require significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable secondary sources.

:::*As for being 'the first person to X', that doesn't in itself guarantee notability, although it may provide grounds for significant coverage in secondary sources, which in turn often will. If such coverage has been generated, please cite it in the draft.

:::*Finally, there may well exist other articles on Wikipedia 'with only a few references', but that is an argument for improving the referencing on them, not for accepting this draft with insufficient references.

:::Hope this helps, --[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:48, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

::::[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] How can I create a notability criteria for snowboarding? [[User:DyingLightquests|DyingLightquests]] ([[User talk:DyingLightquests|talk]]) 07:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:::::{{u|DyingLightquests}} Creating a specific notability requirement for snowboarders would not override the requirements of the more general notability guidelines- you would still need significant coverage in independent reliable sources, which you don't have at present. Is there a particular need you have for a speedy movement of this draft to the encyclopedia? In a few short months, if he appears in the Olympics, he will merit an article. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:37, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

::::::One would think there'd be a [[WP:NSKIING]] at [[WP:NSPORT]], but no. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]]@[[User:DyingLightquests|DyingLightquests]] Here's a few decent sources I found (as in they all have WP-articles): [https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/6671839][https://www.news24.com/sport/OtherSport/South-Africa/ultimate-ears-winter-whip-snowboard-and-ski-festival-a-huge-success-20190801][https://citizen.co.za/sport/2161642/snow-sports-in-africa-better-believe-it/]. [https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/anthon-bosch-of-russia-competes-in-the-mens-snowboard-big-news-photo/1307091730 However, the internet also reveals he's actually Russian] ;-) [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Is this intentional behaviour? Is linking to an image in the title of a talk page topic allowed when the image is being discussed? I created a talk page comment about a particular file and was surprised to discover that it was displayed as the title of the section. [[User:Stockhausenfan|Stockhausenfan]] ([[User talk:Stockhausenfan|talk]]) 14:08, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Edits on Page: [[Tim Southee]] ==

:I have no idea what pages exactly mention this, but what I know is that, I did not know this was possible till now, because nobody does it due to how it makes talk pages harder to navigate. One time, someone used a template as a title, which hurt my eyes. Basically, please avoid doing that. [[User:AlphaBetaGamma|AlphaBetaGamma]] <small> ([[User talk:AlphaBetaGamma|Talk/report any mistakes here]]) </small> 14:41, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, I have asked this question already, but I would like someone to check the Article of Cricketer Tim Southee's stats of the Cricket world cup 2019 which I have added yesterday. I would like to know if anything needs to be changed, Thank you!&nbsp;[[User:Jocelin Andrea|Jocelin Andrea]] ([[User talk:Jocelin Andrea|talk]]) 01:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DB_Aviation&diff=prev&oldid=1308794009 The error] was using <code><nowiki>[[File:Example.jpg]]</nowiki></code>, which shows a full-sized image and not <code><nowiki>[[File:Example.jpg|thumb]]</nowiki></code>, which shows a "thumbnail".

:You said {{Tq|1="for [an image] to be used on Wikipedia it needs to be public ___domain"}} This is incorrect, See [[WP:Image use policy]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:56, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Stockhausenfan}} The error in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DB_Aviation&diff=prev&oldid=1308792128] was that you didn't add a colon in front. <code><nowiki>[[File:E175 Landing at John Wayne.jpg]]</nowiki></code> is the syntax to display a file and it does so everywhere including section headings. <code><nowiki>[[:File:E175 Landing at John Wayne.jpg]]</nowiki></code> with a colon in front produces the link [[:File:E175 Landing at John Wayne.jpg]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:39, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

::@[[User:Stockhausenfan|Stockhausenfan]] It may be worth mentioning that it isn't a good idea to Wikilink any section heading, whether to a file or an article. The problem is that readers using mobile devices have to click on your section heading to open it for reading and can end up at the link rather than within the section. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:22, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Helparticle onfor WikiProjectEspacio creationGallery ==

Hello, I’m working on the draft article for Espacio Gallery ([[Draft:Espacio Gallery]]). It was declined for tone and sourcing, and I’d appreciate any advice or help from experienced editors on how to improve it. Could someone assist in rewriting or guiding me to make it more suitable for Wikipedia? Thank you! [[User:Artcuratorgh|Artcuratorgh]] ([[User talk:Artcuratorgh|talk]]) 14:13, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I've created a new project [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian Civil Servants]]. Please help me to complete the process. Thanks --[[User:Shaji issac|Shaji issac]] ([[User talk:Shaji issac|talk]]) 03:43, 31 July 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Shaji issac|Shaji issac]] ([[User talk:Shaji issac|talk]]) 03:43, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:Firstly, if you are working for or on behalf of the gallery, you {{smallcaps|must}} comply with [[WP:PAID]].

== Comparison images ==

:Your article can only be published if it meets the criteria set out in [[WP:NCORP]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @[[User:Artcuratorgh|Artcuratorgh]], and welcome to the Teahouse. Just looking at the titles and publishers of your sources, it does not look to me as if even one of them will meet the triple criteria of being [[WP:RS|reliably published]] (most blogs aren't), [[WP:IS|independent of the Gallery]], and containing [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]] ''of the gallery'', not just of particular exhibitions. Unless you can find several sources that meet all the criteria in [[WP:42]], you will not be able to establish that it meets Wikipeia's criteria for [[WP:notability|notability]].

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:21, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== TacticalGramma Article ==

Sorry, I am in a hurry so this question is short and may be hard to understand. I want to upload a comparison images, but one side is not mine and the other is mine. What should I do?&nbsp;[[User:Kuro the black dog|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,0,0,0.6)">Kuro</span>]]・([[User talk:Kuro the black dog|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,0,0,0.6)">Kuro's talk page</span>]]) 04:04, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Kuro the black dog}}, where is the "not mine" image? What is its copyright status? [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 07:36, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

::I was a bit confused at first, but this image comes from a Wiki hosted by Shoutwiki, which seems to be powered by MediaWiki ([http://lumines.shoutwiki.com/wiki/File:SHININ-L1.png link to image]). Also, sorry about forgetting to sign a signature. [[User:Kuro the black dog|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,0,0,0.6)">Kuro</span>]]・([[User talk:Kuro the black dog|<span style="color:red;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,0,0,0.6)">Kuro's talk page</span>]]) 08:05, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm seeking an experienced editor to help create a draft article about gaming celebrity TacticalGramma AKA Michelle Statham. [[User:Borderrite|Borderrite]] ([[User talk:Borderrite|talk]]) 16:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== My edits are getting deleted for very strange reason ==

:@[[User:Borderrite|Borderrite]] I found a [https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=TacticalGramma couple of usable sources] but I've no interested in creating the draft. I recommend you read [[Help:Your first article]] and [[WP:BACKWARDS]] but really you need to build some experience by editing existing articles before you tackle the much harder task of writing one from scratch. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:37, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hlo there!, I am newbie to Wikipedia, I have recently made an edit but it was removed by mentioning that it's an SPAM by someone called [[User:ItsSkV08]]

( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1036371374 )

It doesn't seems to me like an valid reason for deletion. Help me to figure out if I am wrong (sorry for my english).&nbsp;[[User:Xi Xing Ping|Xi Xing Ping]] ([[User talk:Xi Xing Ping|talk]]) 04:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Xi Xing Ping}} Hello, and welcome-- the pdf link you provided includes IP , and not opening, you can reverse my edit with correction in source or use other reliable sources, see [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:CITE]]… Thanks.~ [[User:ItsSkV08|ItsSkV08]] ([[User talk:ItsSkV08|talk]]) 04:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

== Computer History ==

== Where to suggest an article topic ==

Could anyone tell me if its allowed to write an article about the evolution of computers based on my own experience, from the time of punchcards (1965 ca) to .modern day pc's and servers. Ofcourse backedup with original veryfiable data? Comments highly welcome. [[User:Harold Foppele|Harold Foppele]] ([[User talk:Harold Foppele|talk]]) 17:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi Teahouse Hosts

:@[[User:Harold Foppele|Harold Foppele]] Welcome to the Teahouse. Articles should be based on what [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] say, not on personal experience. Also we already have extensive articles on the [[History of computing]]. I suggest you focus on improving those. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|^{feed me}]] 18:04, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Where would be the best place to leave a suggestion for article creation on an Australian woman diplomat and academic? I have been reading about Coral Bell, who seems like someone who would likely meet notability guidelines, and might be in under-represented categories in WP as well, e.g. Australian subjects; Women diplomats. I had thought she could well have a WP article already, but no. There is an article on the [[Coral Bell School of Asia Pacific Affairs]] which, apart from mentioning it was renamed for her in 2015, is silent on her work and career.

:Welcome back to the Teahouse, {{u|Harold Foppele}}. I'm not completely sure what you have in mind when you mention original verifiable data, but articles should be based on published sources, not an editor's interpretation of original data (which would be [[WP:OR|original research]]). Your own experience of a topic can be a good guide when you're looking for reliable, published sources to base article content on, but articles shouldn't contain anything that can't be fully verified with references to published sources. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 18:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:Yes you can do that since you mentioned {{tq|"Ofcourse backedup with original veryfiable data?"}} I'm not sure what you mean by that but if you have the original Verifiable data what you need is to know some of these important guidelines like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability Notability], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability Verifiability], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view Neutral Point of View (NPOV)] let me add also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research No original research] et cetera. And your article must rely on published verifiable information not just solely your personal experience. We have huge articles about computers history like [[History of supercomputing]], [[History of computing]], et cetera et cetera. I suggest you to go have fun improving them.[[User:Thilio|Thilio]]^{[[User talk:Thilio|<span class="robot-signature"><span class="robot-text" style="color:green;">R O B O T</span></span><span class="robot-emoji">🤖</span> <span style="color:#00008B;">talk</span>]]} 18:41, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:You may find it better to use an [[WP:Alternative outlets|alternative outlet]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:39, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== sad :( ==

What would you recommend? I thought of dropping a note on [[WP:WikiProject Women]], [[WP:WikiProject Women in Red]] or [[WP:WikiProject Australia]] but I am not sure of the protocol, or if suggestions like these would be welcome: I am aware that many WikiProjects have more than enough work already.

{{Courtesy link|Draft:Dr. George Washington Galloway}}

I could help with sourcing if that is of any use. There are a few initial refs to start, just on a very quick look around.

* News item<ref>{{cite news |last1=Conley Tyler |first1=Melissa |title=The 'accidental academic' who strove to stop armageddon |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-31/coral-bell-the-accidental-academic-wanted-stop-armageddon/100334542 |work=www.abc.net.au |date=30 July 2021 |language=en-AU}}</ref>

* Book of essays<ref>{{cite book |last1=Ball |first1=Desmond |editor1-last=Ball |editor1-first=Desmond |editor2-last=Lee |editor2-first=Sheryn |title=Power and International Relations: Essays in honour of Coral Bell |date=2014 |publisher=ANU Press, The Australian National University |___location=Canberra, Australia |url=http://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/p303831/pdf/2.-From-External-Affairs-to-Academia-Coral%E2%80%99s-Encounter-with-the-KGB%E2%80%99s-Spy-Ring-in-Australia.pdf |chapter=From External Affairs to Academia: Coral’s Encounter with the KGB’s Spy Ring in Australia}}</ref>

* Report of speech by [[Julie Bishop]], then Minister for Foreign Affairs<ref>{{cite news |title=Recognising a foreign affairs pioneer |url=https://reporter.anu.edu.au/recognising-foreign-affairs-pioneer |work=ANU Reporter |issue=2 |volume=46 |language=en}}</ref>

Hello everyone, i've created a wiki page for my grandfather for my dad's birthday, and it's been marked for speedy deletion. Can someone help sooner than later? [[User:JLG2029|JLG2029]] ([[User talk:JLG2029|talk]]) 19:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Any suggestions appreciated.

{{reflist-talk}}&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/49.177.69.7|49.177.69.7]] ([[User talk:49.177.69.7|talk]]) 04:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:We take an ''objective'' view as to whether a subject warrants a Wikipedia article. Your grandfather may meet [[WP:GNG|those requirements]], but your draft does not show this. You need more sources that do, and ''every'' statement in the article needs to be cited.

== Vernacular name/Common name of Tuberose ==

: Some of the text in your draft is either copied or [[WP:PARAPHRASE|closely paraphrased]] from the one source you do cite; that is not allowed.

:You also {{smallcaps|must}} comply with [[WP:COI|our CoI policy]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:Have you looked at the website [[WikiTree]]? That may be a better place to write about a family member than here on Wikipedia, which has strict notability standards. [[:User:Wizzito|<span class="tmpl-colored-link " style="color: hotpink; text-decoration: inherit;">wizzito</span>]] &#124; [[:User talk:Wizzito|<span class="tmpl-colored-link " style="color: navyc; text-decoration: inherit;">say hello!</span>]] 20:03, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== Main Page ==

Tuberose is commonly known as Rajanigandha or Nishigandha in Asian countries. However, I didn't find any other_names parameter in speciesbox template but present in drugbox and chembox. Should I include its other name directly under some heading `== Common names ==` of [[Agave_amica|Tuberose]] or is there some parameter for including vernacular name/common name in speciesbox. Adding common name in synonym parameter shouldn't be done right? [[User:Machinexa|Machinexa]] ([[User talk:Machinexa|talk]]) 05:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Machinexa|Machinexa]] ([[User talk:Machinexa|talk]]) 05:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Machinexa}}, this is English-language Wikipedia, so generally only English-language names for subjects should be listed. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 07:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I accidentally removed all photos on the Main Page a couple of days ago. My fault, but I can't figure out how I did it so that I can fix it. I meant to hide a photo that I was tired of seeing on the main page, but all photos are gone on Main Page. How do I fix it? Thank you so much. I'll never try that again!! I apologize! I hope this is the right place to ask such a question.

== Log out ==

Cindy Thomas [[User:Ctterminator|Ctterminator]] ([[User talk:Ctterminator|talk]]) 21:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

I currently can not log on to my account, so I am using a I.P but every edit I made get reverted and I told to not edit anymore it seams to started because I my a few edits to my old talk page [[User:Fanoflionking]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/92.236.253.249|92.236.253.249]] ([[User talk:92.236.253.249|talk]]) 06:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

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::To be more clear: you didn't alter the Main Page. You only altered ''how the Main Page is viewed on your own machine''. Only admins have edit access for the Main Page, and we know how to avoid that sort of mistake (or, worst case scenario, how to fix it in seconds). So.., don't worry, you did nothing that would require an apology. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 00:16, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

::I am using Chrome on a Dell laptop. And I find that all photos have been removed, not just the main page. I right clicked on a photo and chose something on the list that appeared, maybe it was "hide". When I right click now, I don't see an option like "unhide". [[User:Ctterminator|Ctterminator]] ([[User talk:Ctterminator|talk]]) 00:52, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:::[[Help:Options to hide an image]] may be useful - both in understanding what you did, and how to undo it. Good luck. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 01:27, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== Duplicate References on page templates ==

== How do I determine if something is worth an article or not? ==

Hello, I was working on [[Draft:Russian occupation of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast|this page]] and I noticed in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Russian_occupation_of_Dnipropetrovsk_Oblast&diff=prev&oldid=1308849110 this edit] that I tried to re use citations that were based on the template at the bottom of the page but I couldn’t so I just re pasted the links and put in new citations because I didn’t know what to do. The problem is that created duplicate references because I couldn’t re-use citations from the bottom of the page template. I was also using visual editor, what do I do? [[User:8bit12man|8bit12man]] ([[User talk:8bit12man|talk]]) 21:24, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi there. As a kid I used to play with these specific-branded marble runs called "Techno Gears Marble Mania", and the company that manufactured them is called "The Learning Journey International", which I've been thinking of making an article about, as they certainly have a lot to them than the marble sets and have received numerous awards. Because of the latter, I suspect that if I give it a thorough look, the company as a whole will be mentioned by multiple reliable sources. The problem is, I don't have interest in their other products, so I don't think I'd be able to commit to a full article about them, and I'm not sure if anyone else here really knows what this company is. Is it worth creating?&nbsp;<big><span style='font-family: "Gill Kayo P OT", sans-serif'>[[User:Zeke Essiestudy|Zeke Essiestudy]]</span><span style='font-family: "Gill Sans WGL", sans-serif'> ([[User talk:Zeke Essiestudy#top|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Zeke Essiestudy|contributions]])</span></big> 06:49, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:8bit12man|8bit12man]] Welcome to Teahouse & thank you for your contribution to [[Draft:Russian occupation of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast]]. For you to avoid adding duplicate references in the future please use “Show preview” or “Show changes” before publishing so you can review your edits. Since the page is currently in Draft space feel free to continue working on it remove the duplicates etc. Once you addressed all the issues you can simply resubmit it or move it back to the mainspace. Happy editing! [[User:Thilio|Thilio]]^{[[User talk:Thilio|<span class="robot-signature"><span class="robot-text" style="color:green;">R O B O T</span></span><span class="robot-emoji">🤖</span> <span style="color:#00008B;">talk</span>]]} 23:47, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Zeke Essiestudy|Zeke Essiestudy]] I'll give you my opinion. An article doesn't have to be "full" or "complete" to survive mainspace, but it must "float" on it's own from the start per [[WP:GNG]] and in this case [[WP:NORG]]. See this example I moved to articlespace: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marlowe_portrait&oldid=909918346]. Not "full", but it didn't fail [[WP:GNG]] either. It improved as time passed. So, if you can find a few more good sources like [https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/12/16/phoenix-couple-turns-educational-toy-company-into-23-m-powerhouse/741353001/][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2GCUfozMZM] (less local is even better), I say go for it. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:04, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

::How do I solve the issue of duplicate references it won’t let me reuse the citations on the template [[User:8bit12man|8bit12man]] ([[User talk:8bit12man|talk]]) 01:20, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== Collapsing Comments Claiming LLM ==

== mmmmmmmmm ==

Just wondering if anyone has any advice on what to do if people are collapsing comments claiming LLM in an active RFC? [[User:Sombodystolemyname|Sombodystolemyname]] ([[User talk:Sombodystolemyname|talk]]) 01:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

i love tea :)&nbsp;[[User:1aloe|1aloe]] ([[User talk:1aloe|talk]]) 06:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:Collapsing them is per the [[WP:AITALK]] guideline. What (conceptually) do you want to do? For example, do you object to their collapsing it? Do you wish to make a comment in the discussion that is a response to part of the collapsed comment? Do you think the comment should be deleted altogether? [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 02:49, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

::I don't believe that they are LLM and that they are collapsing them to effectively remove things they don't like from the discussion. [[User:Sombodystolemyname|Sombodystolemyname]] ([[User talk:Sombodystolemyname|talk]]) 03:49, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:::They are obviously AI, do you think people can’t tell?

:::Part of collapsing them is to get you all to stop using the hallucination machine to misquote policies, and read them for yourselves. That will help stop wasting everyone’s time. [[User:MilesVorkosigan|MilesVorkosigan]] ([[User talk:MilesVorkosigan|talk]]) 04:01, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

::::This is the relevant policy. Perhaps it would be worth reading?

::::{{tq|Comments that are obviously generated by a large language model (LLM) or similar AI technology may be struck or collapsed with {{tl|Collapse AI top}}.Please see Wikipedia:Large language models for why we do this.}} [[User:MilesVorkosigan|MilesVorkosigan]] ([[User talk:MilesVorkosigan|talk]]) 04:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:I would recommend ignoring it. People obviously don't want to spend their time and energy debating an LLM. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 04:47, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== 2025 United States–Venezuela conflict ==

== Requesting Image of a living person bio from the person? (is this permitted?) ==

Hello everyone! I’m not sure if this is the perfect place to bring this up, but before creating an article about the conflict between the United States and Venezuela, I’d love to get the community’s thoughts. From what I’ve seen, there seems to be enough verifiable information to treat this as a significant conflict, considering [https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/19/americas/venezuela-maduro-militia-us-military-deployment-intl-latam troop movements], [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/why-is-the-u-s-deploying-war-ships-to-south-america-4-things-to-know deploying of military equipment], and other key background details that help understand the situation as it develops. This isn’t a one-off event; it’s drawing sustained attention from global media. My plan would be to structure the article similarly to other ongoing conflicts, such as the [[2025 India–Pakistan conflict]]. Does this topic seem appropriate for a new article, and would you have any advice for approaching it? Thanks in advance. [[User:Igallards7|Igallards7]] ([[User talk:Igallards7|talk]]) 01:54, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

I have recently worked on these page and others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukanya_Krishnan and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Markopolos It would be helpful to add a photo to these notable people. I have no relationship of any kind with these subjects, is it permissible per Wikipedia policies (WP:COI or othewise) to contact the people to request they submit a photo with CC BY-SA 4.0 permissions?&nbsp;[[User:CosmicNotes|CosmicNotes]] ([[User talk:CosmicNotes|talk]]) 09:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

:I don't know much about the topic but since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=2025+United+States%E2%80%93Venezuela+conflict&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns1728=1&ns1729=1 a search within Wikipedia turns up nothing] I think you can create such page. <b>🐲[[User:Jothefiredragon|Jothefiredragon]]🔥[[User talk:Jothefiredragon|talk]]🧨[[Special:Contributions/Jothefiredragon|contributions]]✨[[special:log/user:Jothefiredragon|log]]🐉</b> 02:08, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:CosmicNotes|CosmicNotes]] You can ask. Note that ''the copyrightholder'', usually the photographer, should upload it ''themselves'': '''[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard here]'''. Also that you can't guarantee the pic will actually be used, but if it's the "best"/only one available it probably will be. Preferably the pic should be (uptil now) unpublished elsewhere, that can make things easier. I'd make it clear that you're asking as an independent netizen, not as some sort of "official WP-rep." [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 09:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

::::Thanks, {{u|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}}, that makes sense. Could you clarify which person holds the copyright? The person taking the photo or the subject in the photo? Assuming the person the has the copyright would be the one that needs to upload it. And is it permissible for me to then put the photo on the page once it is accepted as an approved image? Just trying ensure I follow proper procedures, as to date I have not done anything with photos, just text edits. [[User:CosmicNotes|CosmicNotes]] ([[User talk:CosmicNotes|talk]]) 09:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)