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Why are we linking to [[crontab]] which is a redirect to [[cron]]? My edit to reflect this reality was reverted; does this make sense to anyone else? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] ([[User talk:Aquatiki|talk]]) 12:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
: This is about Unix ''commands'', not Unix ''programs''. The command used to interact with cron is
:: I see: because we type <code>crontab</code>, and this navbox is listing "things we type." Gotcha. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] ([[User talk:Aquatiki|talk]]) 05:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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:Well, read back through the talk page - some editors would like to add something, but have not proposed a better solution based on [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] which demonstrate that the feature is considered ''standard'' (but there's been no mass discussion and negotiation). [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 22:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
::{{re|Tedickey}} Strictly speaking templates aren't subject to the [[WP:Policies and guidelines]]. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 10:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
== Rename the template ==
{{diff2|1121065978|1121065659|Nov 10, 2022, 09:12}} - ''«revert - changes don't match the topic's guidelines»''
{{diff2|1044739699|1044736301|Sep 16, 2021, 20:49}} - ''«revert - not an improvement»''
{{diff2|992916291|992851401|Dec 7, 2020, 20:06}} - ''«revert - not part of the topic»''
{{diff2|884298554|884296973|Feb 20, 2019, 19:49}} - ''«revert - off-topic»''
{{diff2|864639726|864633532|Oct 18, 2018, 14:39}} - ''«revert - not topical»''
{{diff2|855807562|855733888|Aug 21, 2018, 24:06}} - ''«revert - not relevant to topic as presented»''
{{diff2|846604219|846566596|Jun 19, 2018, 19:55}} - ''«trim - not topical»''
{{diff2|845883142|845845619|Jun 14, 2018, 19:42}} - ''«revert - not related to this topic»''
{{diff2|840449116|840413832|May 9, 2018, 23:31}} - ''«revert - offtopic»''
:{{re|Tedickey}} Volume of problems. The template title is confusing. It's evident that it's not the first time you revert useful contributions. This may eventually amount to [[WP:OWN]]ing. Given that this template is specific to Single Unix Specification 2008 (SUS2008) I propose to rename this template to '''«Unix SUS2008 utilities»''' in order to avoid confusion OR I propose convert this template to general Unix utilities list and drop requirement limiting the list to SUS2008 utilities otherwise. Any objections?
<span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 10:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:Sure - I generally revert things where other editors choose to make up their own facts. So we're here on that basis. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 21:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|Tedickey}} But what about suggestion? It's obvious that people are coming to edit this template because they are confused and think it's general template for unix utils. It's time to change this. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 09:41, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:If you chose to develop a relevant topic, there's a template for that, which you may have noticed at the top of several topics. Developing the topic would be work (since as you may have noticed, '''none''' of the above provide a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], rather referring to ''personal experience'' [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 10:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|tedickey}} [[WP:RS]] is not required here. I simply propose to rename this template and stop pretending like it's generalized template for all unix commands. As we have seen it's been confusing editors over the last few years. It's serious issue given that you are preventing them from contributions. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 10:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:You might consider reworking your comments so that they're not a personal attack. Also, it would be helpful if you considered how to provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to support your suggestion. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 09:18, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|Tedickey}} To rename template I don't need [[WP:RS]]. You can go to [[WP:ANI/I]] if you think this is a personal attack. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 15:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
::I see that you did anyway, but find nothing you said there that is useful. Your personal attacks on this page violate [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] policy, by accusing me twice of preventing others from contributing to Wikipedia, while ignoring my suggestion to develop a related topic to your own liking. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 15:38, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
*'''3O Comment''' - I'm commenting due to a request at [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]]. From my understanding, the disagreement seems to be over whether the template's current title matches the scope of the article. The list of diffs show removal of things that may or may not be proper Unix commands, but (I read through the entire talk page to get a better idea of the issue) they are removed because they are not ''standard''. I agree that the current situation is a problem; either the criteria for inclusion should be relaxed or the name changed to reflect the criteria. If an agreement on this matter can't be reached, perhaps an RM done via [[WP:RMCM]] would be warranted to make it clear that it's only a template for standards-compliant commands. Also [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]], if you could [[Wikipedia:Indentation|indent your comments]] properly it would make it more clear what comments you are replying to. - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 20:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::Sure: renaming to "Standard Unix commands" for example would address about half of the previous complaints, but '''do''' take the time to read them -- for the other half, they wouldn't be satisfied with that. My suggestion to use a redirect template for the non-standard but "conventional" programs has not been addressed in the above comments [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 20:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::I think moving it to "Standard Unix commands" would be a good solution, even if it doesn't solve every complaint (nothing ever does), it would be an improvement and make it more clear what the purpose of the template was. [[User:Alexander_Davronov]] do you have an issue with such a move? - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 20:38, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::::{{re|Aoidh}} Thanks for 3O but it's too broad and won't fix the issue. Editors will continue to edit meanwhile {{u|tedickey}} would routinely insist criteria of [[Single_UNIX_Specification|SUS2008]] tools isn't met. There were only 4 (four) versions of [[Single UNIX Specification]] over the last two decades so renaming the template into the latest (2008) major version isn't a big deal. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
=== Requested move 20 November 2022 ===
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''
The result of the move request was: '''Not moved.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Mattdaviesfsic|Mattdaviesfsic]] ([[User talk:Mattdaviesfsic|talk]]) 09:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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[[:Template:Unix commands]] → {{no redirect|Template:Single Unix Specification commands}} – Given the numerous past discussion and disputes, and a specific criteria set up for the template requiring it to comply with the list of Shell & Utilities of the [[Single Unix Specification]] it's reasonable to rename this template to a proposed name and have a conforming title in the template itself. Any objections? <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:21, 20 November 2022 (UTC) <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:21, 20 November 2022 (UTC) <small>— '''''Relisting.''''' — ''Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung'', ''[[User:Mellohi!|mello]]'''''[[User talk:Mellohi!|hi!]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Mellohi!|投稿]]) 18:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)</small> <small>— '''''Relisting.''''' [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 20:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)</small>
*'''Weak oppose'''. Seems like a solution looking for a problem. Either way though, the proper capitalization of the proposed name would actually be [[Template:Single UNIX Specification commands]]. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
*:Noting that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Unix_commands&diff=1124550397&oldid=1124418325 this edit] happened after my comment. The originally propose title the nominator suggested was [[Template:Single Unix Specification Commands]] (capital "C" in "Commands"). [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
*::{{re|Steel1943}} A minor issue. I'm going to fix this when request succeed. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 11:13, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' since template names are not visible in articles and no good explanation was given for why this longer more convoluted name would help. If there are previous discussions that make this more clear, why aren't they linked? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:02, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*:{{re|Dicklyon}} See the previous discussion above. Basically every discussion on this page is about this issue. You can also read the doc of the template. In short, the template was set-up by author to a include specific Unix-spec commands but bears a general name. Renaming should fix this confusion. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 11:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
*::So it's already limited to the Single Unix Specification? And that's the only system entitled to use the Unix trademark? I don't see why we'd need to change the template title then. But I'll withdraw my "oppose" if I see more reasoned support. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 01:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dicklyon}} Template names are visible in articles. There are many single unix specs and this template is set up for one specific. This is not reflected in the title. The title makes you think it's general template for all the unix commands in the universe. Read the previous discussion. If your opposition is mostly superficial you should take it down by a <s>strikethrough</s>. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' I agree in part with the 'solution looking for a problem', but have another concern. These commands are typically not limited to the "Single UNIX Specification" or even UNIX as such, even though that is a defining parameter for inclusion. Though less informative on surface, might be useful to consider [[:Template:Universal SUS Commands]] or [[:Template:Universal SUS Programs]]; these emphasize the universality of the command set, which is one key feature of the set. --User:Ceyockey (<small>''[[User talk:Ceyockey|talk to me]]''</small>) 00:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
*:{{re|Ceyockey}} This is contrary to documentation of the template. It strictly prohibits any commands outside of the Single Unix spec. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
*::I'm not saying it should include commands outside the SUS, but those commands are found ''in other systems too'', meaning they are not limited to the SUS though they are defined by their presence in the SUS. --User:Ceyockey (<small>''[[User talk:Ceyockey|talk to me]]''</small>) 01:10, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
*:::The falsy title still makes people to think it's a general template. This should be fixed once and for all. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
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