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====Category:Garden writers====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''keep'''. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] ♬ [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 14:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:All of the following categories are underpopulated and overly specific. They share a common "parent": [[:Category:Garden writers]] (yes, I realize categories aren't hierarchal). By upmerging all 4, the parent would be large enough to justify its existence.
::*[[:Category:American garden writers]] - 7 articles
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::*[[:Category:English garden writers]] - 5 articles
:'''Upmerge all.''' [[User:Thadius856|thadius856]]<sub>[[User talk:Thadius856|talk]]|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports|airports]]|[[Wikipedia:Neutrality Project|neutrality]]</sub> 00:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*Concur with that. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><
*'''Keep all''' The smallest of these three categories has three times the number of categories it needs to justify its existence. [[User:Cloachland|Cloachland]] 18:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Like thousands of other small categories these categories are essential to ensure that articles can be reached from all the appropriate parent categories without those categories being cluttered up. For example there are 16 articles here which should accessible via [[:Category:Gardening in the United Kingdom]] and [[:category:British non-fiction writers]] but I don't think that occurred to the nominator, and experience shows that many people wouldn't think laterally enough to add those categories when categorising a new article. If we have good subcategories it doesn't matter that most users don't seem to think laterally because once articles have filtered through to the precise subcategory from whichever general category they are placed in to start with they are automatically accessible via all the relevant higher level categories. [[User:Osomec|Osomec]] 22:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Each country has its own tradition of gardening. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 15:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Andrew Lloyd Webber musicals stars ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] ♬ [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 14:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|Andrew Lloyd Webber musicals stars}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Delete''' as improper ''performer by performance'' categorization, or '''Merge''' to the parent [[:Category:Musical theatre actors]]. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 23:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Merge into [[:Category:Musical theatre actors]]''' - Categorizing actors by performance is not feasible; it leads to an unreadable mass of category links on individual categories. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 23:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' There is no need to merge as the articles are all in the appropriate national subcategory of [[:Category:Musical theatre actors]] already. [[User:Cloachland|Cloachland]] 18:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - this is actor by performance of particular composers ... this is overcategorization. --[[User:Lquilter|lquilter]] 04:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Greater Buffalo shopping malls ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge'''. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 18:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC) <br/>
:[[:Category:Greater Buffalo shopping malls]] into [[:Category:Shopping malls in New York]]
*'''Merge''', I couldn't find any other categories related to "Greater Buffalo", just Buffalo, NY - and including only the malls in Buffalo wouldn't make this category worthwhile. I suggest moving these articles up to the state category. --[[User:Vossanova|Vossanova]] <sup>[[User talk:Vossanova|o<]]</sup> 21:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Politicians who participated in professional sports ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] ♬ [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 14:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|Politicians who participated in professional sports}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Delete''' This category is for people who are only coincidentally connected, and it is the sort of category that leads to articles being in an excessive number of categories. [[User:Nathanian|Nathanian]] 19:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete''' - possibly speedy as recreated content. Didn't we delete "athlete-politicians" or "politician-athletes" not too long ago? [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 20:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Classifying people by the cross-sections of multiple careers could lead to a messy, complex category tree. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 23:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as categorisation by coincidence. [[User:Osomec|Osomec]] 22:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - per Dr. S. And also because this is essentially re-creation of the athlete/politician categories, as Otto4711 points out. --[[User:Lquilter|lquilter]] 04:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
*As the creator of this category, I disagree with its deletion but I understand the points against it. I am sorry I did not realize that this category used to exist under a different name. However, if this category should be deleted, the other sub-categories in the Celebrity politicians category should be deleted, and the articles merged into that category. [[User:Academic Challenger|Academic Challenger]] 07:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Chicago actors ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename'''. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 18:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC) <br/>
:'''Propose renaming [[:Category:Chicago actors]]''' to [[:Category:Actors from Chicago]]
*{{{3|'''Rename''' or '''Merge''' or '''Delete''' - any of the three would be fine with me, actually. Rename to avoid ambiguity that it's for actors who have appeared in the musical or film versions of ''Chicago'', or '''Merge''' to [[:Category: Illinois actors]] or '''Delete''' as overcategorization. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 19:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete''' vague category. It might mean the musical. [[User:Doczilla|Doczilla]] 05:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge to Illinois actors''' I'm not convinced that subdividing actors by city is necessary in this case. But I'd be ok with merging into Illinois actors. [[User:Dugwiki|Dugwiki]] 21:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom for clarity of meaning. [[User:Tim!|Tim!]] 10:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename'''. Seems like the correct action. The intent of the category would be clear. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 06:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Abberley2|Abberley2]] 10:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Peanuts people ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] ♬ [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 14:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|Peanuts people}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Delete''' - ambiguously named vague category that as near as I can gather is to collect people associated in some way with the comic strip Peanuts, perhaps those who appeared in [[You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown]]? Hard to tell. Improper categorization of ''performer by performance'', c.f. [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_21#Category:Hairspray_actors|Hairspray actors]] (deleted). [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] 19:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete''' - Categories that loosely associate people with something become too ad hoc to be useful for organization. If renamed to be more specific, it leads into the infeasibility of identifying people by their specific projects. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 23:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' vague category. With that name, it could include everyone from Charles Schultz to Jimmy Carter. [[User:Doczilla|Doczilla]] 05:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' or rename to [[:Category:Peanuts (comic strip) people]]. [[User:Tim!|Tim!]] 10:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Wimstead|Wimstead]] 18:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - This category doesn't make sense at all, and isn't explained anywhere. [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] 05:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Featured sound nominations]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''keep'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''''Merge / Redirect''' into [[:Category:Wikipedia featured sound candidates]].'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 17:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom [[User:ST47|ST47]]<small>[[User talk:ST47|Talk]]</small> 19:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', see Noclip's explanation below (at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion#Category:Featured_picture_nominations]]). This is a similar case. --[[User:KFP|KFP]] <small>([[User talk:KFP|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/KFP|contribs]])</small> 17:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Wikipedia featured sound nominations]] then. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 00:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' per Noclip, possible rename. Please actually look at the differences in these categories before you vote, folks.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 18:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Featured picture nominations]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''keep'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''''Merge / Redirect''' into [[:Category:Wikipedia featured picture candidates]].'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 17:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''Merge/Redirect''' per nom. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 18:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom [[User:ST47|ST47]]<small>[[User talk:ST47|Talk]]</small> 19:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' [[:Category:Wikipedia featured picture candidates]] is for the images themselves while [[:Category:Featured picture nominations]] is for the nomination pages. This category enables us to keep track of orphaned nominations and can facilitate running FPC via a DynamicPageList if it's ever installed, something that is impossible using [[:Category:Wikipedia featured picture candidates]]. Most importantly, this category permanently archives all nominations while images are only in C:WFPC while they are in the discussion phase. [[User:Noclip|Noclip]] 20:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Wikipedia featured picture nominations]] then. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 00:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' per Noclip, possible rename. Please actually look at the differences in these categories before you vote, folks.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 18:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:College men's basketball]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''no consensus'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 17:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''''Merge''' into [[:Category:College basketball]], or '''Keep'''.'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 16:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''Merge''' or '''Rename''' as Men's College basketball or College basketball (men's) and '''Reverse Merge''' as well as create women's cat as well. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 18:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and create separate categories for men and women. The men and the women play in two different sets of competitions. [[User:Nathanian|Nathanian]] 19:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*Even though I have created hundreds of split categories underneath this one, I've always believed that it's better for them to be unisex categories. It's the only sport where this occurs; skiers and boxers and runners all mix by gender, even though they don't compete against each other per se. But though I '''support the merge''', it has to be agreed that we're going to do this for all the subcategories, or it's worthless.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''': The problem with having separate men's and women's categories is that most team articles are about the men's and women's teams, meaning they'll just be in both categories anyway. [[User:Oren0|Oren0]] 18:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Fraternal twins ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 18:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC) <br/>
:{{lc|Fraternal twins}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Delete''' This characteristic has nothing to do with encyclopedic achievements, so the category is just clutter. In case anyone asks why I haven't nominated the other categories of twins, they all seem to relate to encyclopedic attributes in some way, even [[:Category:Identical twins]], which contains many joint articles, largely as a reflection of the fact that identical twins often work together in the entertainment industry. [[User:Honbicot|Honbicot]] 15:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Comment''' - A couple of the people who are listed (e.g. [[Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen]]) are twins who work jointly. However, some of the other people (notably [[Alanis Morissette]] and [[Kofi Annan]]) are people whose work has nothing to do with their twin. Could the category be purged of all articles of individual fraternal twins to leave only the pairs? Will this be a long-term solution to the application of this category? [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 19:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
**Alanis Morrissette and Kofi Annan are twins? I wouldn't have picked that one! ;) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
***They are fraternal twins. That is why they look different from each other. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 23:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
****If Alanis is Kofi's ''sister by another mister'' and Kofi is Ananis' ''brother from another mother'', then they are twins because time travel separated them at birth into different time periods? [[User:70.51.11.102|70.51.11.102]] 06:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep'''. This is often a very significant fact about persons in relation to their careers, involvement in activities and other issues. The category could be potentially modified to include certains paramaters (a la [[:Category:Science fiction fans]]), but an outright deletion seems like an incomplete solution.--<big><
*'''Delete''' These articles about about individuals not sets of twins and in most cases there is no reason for anyone to care if these people have a twin, or a brother with six toes or whatever. [[User:Nathanian|Nathanian]] 19:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep but redefine''' - This category serves a purpose for the four or five articles on pairs of twins who work together (e.g. [[Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen]]), but it should not include articles on single twins whose work does not involve the other twin (e.g. [[John Elway]] and [[Scarlett Johansson]], [[Alanis Morissette]] and [[Kofi Annan]]). Severe pruning is in order, but the category should be kept. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 00:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - possibly listify. [[User:70.51.11.102|70.51.11.102]] 06:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Listify and delete''', a cat like this is too open to incorrect usage. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><
*'''Delete''' per nom. Pruning will only work for a short time. [[User:Cloachland|Cloachland]] 18:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' membership is purely coincidental. [[User:Abberley2|Abberley2]] 10:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><span style="color:#DD0000;">><span style="color:#FF6600;">R<span style="color:#FF9900;">a<span style="color:#FFCC00;">d<span style="color:#FFEE00;">i</span>a</span>n</span>t</span><</span></b>]]. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 00:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Stuff accumulating cells ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename''' to [[:Category:Sequestering cells]] as more correct than 'accumulating'. We have other similar subcategories of [[:Category:Cells by function]]. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 18:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC) <br/>
:'''Propose renaming [[:Category:Stuff accumulating cells]]''' to [[:Category:Accumulating cells]]
*{{{3|'''Rename''', name is unencyclopedic. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 14:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
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*'''Delete.''' The proposed rename doesn't fit. [[User:Doczilla|Doczilla]] 05:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' "Sequestration" is the term for "stuff-accumulating"... not sure if Sequestering cells is worth a separate category though. [[User:Aelffin|Aelffin]] 18:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Current Extreme Canadian Championship Wrestling roster ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''listify and delete'''. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 18:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC) <br/>
:{{lc|Current Extreme Canadian Championship Wrestling roster}}<br/>
{{{3|'''Listify and delete''' per how other rosters are setup. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] 07:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete and listify''' All other wrestling promotions have a list for their current roster, not a category. —[[User talk:Mikedk9109|<
*'''Delete/listify''' In addition to above comment, note that normally categories should normally not be restricted to "current status". So rather than a "current roster" category, you would have "current and former members". This eliminates the need to continually update a category as people enter and leave it. Once they're included, they're included for life. [[User:Dugwiki|Dugwiki]] 17:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete/listify''' Agreed with all said. [[User:Suriel1981|Suriel1981]] 23:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Greek Revival buildings]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''no consensus'''. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 17:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''''Merge / Redirect''' into [[:Category:Greek Revival architecture]], or '''Keep'''.'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 07:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom, no need to have both. [[User:ST47|ST47]]<small>[[User talk:ST47|Talk]]</small> 11:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge'''. Redundant. [[User:Coemgenus|Coemgenus]] 15:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' obvious duplicate and redundant. No need for this second category. —[[User talk:Mikedk9109|<
*'''Keep''' and populate. I could see this as being the subcat for buildings, while the cat for the architecture could also have subcats on archetects and articles on the style as a whole. [[User:Youngamerican| ''<
*'''Keep''' per [[User:Youngamerican| ''<
*'''Merge''' - [[:Category:Greek Revival buildings]] is a duplicate. Other categories on architectural styles do not separate buildings from other structures, so maintaining a separate category for buildings does not seem appropriate right now. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 13:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]]. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 15:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' or '''Reverse Merge'''. Both categories only have buildings so [[:Category:Greek Revival buildings]] would be the correct tile based on [[:Category:Buildings and structures]]. There is nothing about architecture in either category except for the main article. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 06:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Full Impact Pro alumni ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. The Full Impact Pro article was deleted as an uncontested {{[[Template:prod|prod]]}}. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] ♬ [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 14:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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{{{3|An alumni page for a small indy fed isn't that notable. Considering there isn't even a roster cat or list page, an alumni cat doesn't need toe exist either. Notable alumni can be listed on the Full Impact Pro article. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] 06:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Delete''' No need to have a category for alumni that isn't even a list already. The alumni should be listed on the main article. —[[User talk:Mikedk9109|<
*'''Delete''' Should at best be on the FIP main article [[User:MPJ-DK|MPJ-DK]] 09:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' [[User:Suriel1981|Suriel1981]] 23:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Arkansas Visual Artists]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 06:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''''Delete''', contains only a single vanity page.'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 06:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' empty, or '''move''' to [[:Category:Arkansas visual artists]] [[User:ST47|ST47]]<small>[[User talk:ST47|Talk]]</small> 11:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', unless there's something to put in it. [[User:Coemgenus|Coemgenus]] 14:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 18:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:VMI Cadets football coaches ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename'''. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 18:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC) <br/>
:'''Propose renaming [[:Category:VMI Cadets football coaches]]''' to [[:Category:VMI Keydets football coaches]]
*{{{3|'''Rename'''. This school spells its nickname "Keydets", not the normal "Cadets". See the school's official athletics site at [http://www.vmikeydets.com vmikeydets.com]. [[User:Dale Arnett|Dale Arnett]] 05:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Rename''' To match the actual name of the school. —[[User talk:Mikedk9109|<
**'''Comment:''' While there is no officially defined standard for college sports program categories, the ''de facto'' standard is to use a shortened name of the school, generally that used by US national sports media, instead of the full name. Sports media in the US universally use ''VMI'' instead of ''Virginia Military Institute'' (or even ''Virginia Military''), ''Georgia Tech'' instead of ''Georgia Institute of Technology'', ''Virginia Tech'' instead of ''Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University'', ''Kentucky'' instead of ''University of Kentucky'', et al. — [[User:Dale Arnett|Dale Arnett]] 02:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 18:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Works of Graham Greene]] to [[:Category:Books by Graham Greene]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''keep'''. [[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 06:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
(moved from speedy) :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<span style="color:#CC9900"><sup>(Talk Page)</sup></span>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<span style="color:#CC9900"><sub>(Desk)</sub></span>]] 09:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Some of these items are short stories. If agreeable, how about creating [[:Category:Books by Graham Greene]] and [[:Category:Short stories by Graham Greene]] to go ''under'' [[:Category:Works of Graham Greene]]? [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
*'''Oppose''' per [[User:Pegship|Pegship]]
*'''Comment'''. I don't have an opinion on this one, but why is it "Works OF" and "Books BY"? Certainly "Works by (X)" would be fine, right?--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 01:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
**That's one of those things I couldn't determine a consensus on, during my perusal of the "Books by" nominations. "Works by" would certainly be just as acceptable, I think. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
*'''Comment''' from nominator. Hmmm, so why are these categories both in [[:Category:Books by author]] then. I get the point about plays and short stories and maybe I will get these split out before any move of books rather than after which was my intention. Maybe I just didn't make that clear! :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<span style="color:#CC9900"><sup>(Talk Page)</sup></span>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<span style="color:#CC9900"><sub>(Desk)</sub></span>]] 09:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Works of Ray Bradbury]] to [[:Category:Books by Ray Bradbury]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''keep'''. [[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 06:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
(moved from speedy) :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<span style="color:#CC9900"><sup>(Talk Page)</sup></span>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<span style="color:#CC9900"><sub>(Desk)</sub></span>]] 09:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
*<s>Better :) No problems this time. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
**Hah. Nearly fooled me. This is identical to the last proposal, and '''opposable''' for the same reason - short stories aren't books. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small
*'''Oppose''' for the same reason as Mr. Greene's category, and I propose the same solution. Cheers, [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
*'''Oppose''' Bradbury is as well-known for short stories and plays as he is books. In fact he might be more well-known for those than for his books.--[[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]] 06:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]]. [[User:Coemgenus|Coemgenus]] 14:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' from nominator. Hmmm, so why are these categories both in [[:Category:Books by author]] then. I get the point about plays and short stories and maybe I will get these split out before any move of books rather than after which was my intention. Maybe I just didn't make that clear! :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<span style="color:#CC9900"><sup>(Talk Page)</sup></span>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<span style="color:#CC9900"><sub>(Desk)</sub></span>]] 09:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
:I honestly don't know. Possibly there's a systemic bias, in society in general too, toward thinking literary-works=books. The short story has been in decline the last 20 or 30 years, but that's a whole other discussion.--[[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]] 11:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Ohio State University professors]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge''' into [[:Category:Ohio State University faculty]]. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 17:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''''Merge''' into [[:Category:Ohio State University faculty]], convention of [[:Category:Faculty by university in the United States]].'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|Prove It]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 03:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per convention. [[User:Coemgenus|Coemgenus]] 14:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per nom., per convention. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 18:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:They're great! Anyway, I'm cool with the idea to merge this. Cheers, --[[User:24.154.173.243|24.154.173.243]] 03:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
::Fine by me as well to combine these entries with the faculty page. Best, --[[User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles]] 00:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Organizations by city ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''merge and redirect'''. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 18:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC) <br/>
:[[:Category:Organizations by city]] into [[:Category:Organisations by city]]
*'''Merge''', into the longer established and more populated [[:category:Organisations by city]] and keep a '''redirect''' or the same duplication may recur. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 03:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge/redirect''' per nom. [[User:Cloachland|Cloachland]] 18:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge/redirect''' per nom. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 01:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Reverse merge''' - this nomination contradicts [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations#Organization not Organisation]]. Likewise, there are [[:Category:Organizations by Geography]], [[:Category:Organizations by country]], etc. --[[User:Vossanova|Vossanova]] <sup>[[User talk:Vossanova|o<]]</sup> 19:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge/redirect''' per nom. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations#Organization not Organisation]] cannot over-rule the policy on variations of English. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 00:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
**And what policy would that be? --[[User:Vossanova|Vossanova]] <sup>[[User talk:Vossanova|o<]]</sup> 15:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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==== Category:Whampoa graduates ====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''rename''' to [[:Category:Whampoa Military Academy alumni]]. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 18:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
:'''Propose renaming [[:Category:Whampoa graduates]]''' to [[:Category:Whampoa Military Academy alumni]]
*{{{3|'''Rename'''. Use full name to avoid confusion (I thought this might have something to do with [[Hutchinson Whampoa]]) and switch to "alumni" for the usual reason, ie the need to be able to categorise people who attended an institution but did not graduate. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 03:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)}}}
*'''Rename''' Category names should almost always match the name of their associated main article, which in this case is [[Whampoa Military Academy]]. [[User:Dugwiki|Dugwiki]] 17:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' - The new category name is much clearer and follows the established conventions. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 19:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Lands with Arctic islands]] to [[:Category:Countries with Arctic islands]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?!"</span>]] 18:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC) <br/>
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:'''Delete''' per above. - [[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] 19:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - This seems like categorization based on geographic trivia. This would be inane to do elsewhere in Wikipedia. Imagine "Countries with Mediterranean Islands" or "Countries with Atlantic Ocean islands". This should be deleted. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 00:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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====[[:Category:Organizations by Kind]]→[[:Category:Organizations by kind]]====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete''' (they're all empty anyway, and thus qualify under CSD C1). --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] ♬ [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 09:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
(moved from speedy) correct case. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small style="color:green;"> (tis herself)</small>]] 04:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
**'''Delete''' Empty and badly named - all organisations are of one "kind" or another. [[User:AshbyJnr|AshbyJnr]] 16:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
***'''Rename''' This is part of brand new organizations category scheme and will be populated as the project moves forward. [[User:Oldsoul|Oldsoul]] [[User:Oldsoul|Oldsoul]] 06:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
**'''Delete''' this is a confusing name. If there is a clear idea behind this category and equally clear name should be found. [[User:Carina22|Carina22]] 13:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Organizations by Ideology]]→[[:Category:Organizations by ideology]]; correct case. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**'''Delete''' if it remains empty. [[User:AshbyJnr|AshbyJnr]] 16:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
***'''Rename''' This is part of brand new organizations category scheme and will be populated as the project moves forward. [[User:Oldsoul|Oldsoul]] [[User:Oldsoul|Oldsoul]] 06:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Organizations by Field]]→[[:Category:Organizations by field]]; correct case. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**'''Rename''' This is part of brand new organizations category scheme and will be populated as the project moves forward. [[User:Oldsoul|Oldsoul]] [[User:Oldsoul|Oldsoul]] 06:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
**'''Delete''' This one isn't clear either. [[User:Carina22|Carina22]] 13:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*[[:Category:Organizations by Geography]]→[[:Category:Organizations by geography]]; per naming convention. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**'''Rename''' This is part of brand new organizations category scheme and will be populated as the project moves forward. [[User:Oldsoul|Oldsoul]] [[User:Oldsoul|Oldsoul]] 06:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
***'''Please note''': My original proposal was [[:Category:Organizations by Geography]]→[[:Category:Organizations by ___location]]; if you must edit my post, please use strikeouts to avoid confusion. Thanks. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
*'''Delete''', confusing scheme. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><
*'''Delete all''' Confusing and apparently abandoned scheme. [[User:Cloachland|Cloachland]] 18:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' These categories are part of an illegitimate attempt to impose "ize" in defiance of the agreed policy on variants of English. [[User:Olborne|Olborne]] 00:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
**I'm sorry, but you're still not pointing this "policy" out. Where was it agreed that we use Commonwealth/British English for everything? --[[User:Vossanova|Vossanova]] <sup>[[User talk:Vossanova|o<]]</sup> 15:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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====Category:Non-English Blackpool F.C. managers====
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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete''' (articles are already in [[:Category:Blackpool F.C. managers]]). --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] ♬ [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 10:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
:{{lc|Non-English Blackpool F.C. managers}}<br>
Is this category really necessary? --[[User:Badmotorfinger|Badmotorfinger]] 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' No, I don't think that it is. Overcategorisation. --[[User:Xdamr|<span style="font-family: Times"><span style="font-size:140%">X</span><span style="font-size:110%">damr</span></span>]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Xdamr|talk]]</sup> 01:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Why does it matter if the manager is non-english? It isnt a [[WP:OC#Non-defining_or_trivial_characteristic|defining characteristic]]. No need to go this far in-depth to categorize. —[[User talk:Mikedk9109|<
*'''Merge''' to [[:Category:Blackpool F.C. managers]] - overcat. ~ [[User:BigrTex|<
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*'''Delete''', over-specific non-defining categorisation. [[User:Qwghlm|Qwghlm]] 16:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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*'''Merge''' as above. While I don't feel there's any negative connotations implied by the reference to non-Englishness, it's clearly overcategorisation for the sake of it [[User:ChrisTheDude|ChrisTheDude]] 08:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', there is nothing to merge here. [[User:Punkmorten|Punkmorten]] 17:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', as there is nothing to merge. All the articles are aleady in [[:Category:Blackpool F.C. managers]]. - [[User:Daemonic Kangaroo|Daemonic Kangaroo]] 17:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as long as all the articles are in the [[:Category:Blackpool F.C. managers]], then there is no need for this further category. '''[[User:Asics|<span style="font-family:impact;"><span style="background:black;color:aqua">Asics </span>]]'''<small>[[User talk:Asics|<span style="background:black;color:aqua">talk </span>]]</small> 18:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. lol at this category, sorry. One might as well have [[:Category:Blackpool F.C. managers from Wigan]]. [[User:Alii h|aLii]] 10:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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