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== Home page ==

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Why is there no [[Wikifunctions]], [[Incubator Wiki|Incubator]], etc.. on the [[Main Page|homepage]]? [[Wikinews]] already have Wikifunctions in its homepage.[[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 11:46, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:There were discussions of this in 2023 and 2024 at {{slink|Template talk:Wikipedia's sister projects#Add Wikifunctions or not?}}, which did not get consensus for the addition. [[User:Jlwoodwa|jlwoodwa]] ([[User talk:Jlwoodwa|talk]]) 19:31, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

::But Commons, Wikiquote, Wikispecies, and Wikinews has Wikifunctions, and even Incubator in Meta-Wiki and Wikidata. [[User:Versions111|Versions111]] ([[User talk:Versions111|talk]]) 19:59, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

:::If there's a discussion and consensus isn't reached, then that's that. No point arguing about it. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color:var(--color-base, #202122);">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 21:29, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

::::Nonsense. The last discussion was 18 months ago, when it was said "one hold up being that funct appears to be in pre-release still?"

::::That is no longer the case. The conclusion in that discussion was "Not done for now", because no consensus was reached. Even if it had been, [[Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change|consensus can change]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:34, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:::If you have read the previous discussions, and you have a new point to make beyond what's already been said, then you can start a new discussion. However, I doubt that "other projects do it this way" will be enough on its own; each project has its own practices, and there is no requirement for consistency, especially not without knowing {{em|why}} those other projects made that decision. [[User:Jlwoodwa|jlwoodwa]] ([[User talk:Jlwoodwa|talk]]) 21:43, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

== Did you know ==

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How do i add a fact? My fact is: That Byran Charnley’s kaleidoscope cats likely didn’t show his decent into madness because we don’t know what order they were painted in? '''(Boeing747Pilot) [[User:Boeing747Pilot |Boeing747Pilot]] ([[User talk:Boeing747Pilot|talk]])''' 13:13, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Boeing747Pilot|Boeing747Pilot]] The purpose of the Did You Know section is to highlight new content. So it features new articles, recently expanded articles, and articles that have recently been recognized as being high quality ([[WP:GA|"Good articles]]). In order to highlight that fact about [[Byran Charnley]] and his [[Kaleidoscope cats]], you would first need to write an article about him or the paintings. Then, you could [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Create new nomination|nominate]] the article. [[Wikipedia:Did you know]] provides a lot more information about the process. ~ ''[[User:ONUnicorn|<span style="color:#0cc">ONUnicorn</span>]]''^{([[User talk:ONUnicorn|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn|Contribs]])}<small>[[WP:P&amp;S|problem solving]]</small> 13:41, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Just click the little + button next to the edit this page tab.

::Now I see we do have an article about [[Bryan Charnley]] - that's the correct spelling. It also looks like the ''Kaleidoscope Cats'' were painted by Louis Wain, not Charnley, although they influenced him. We have an article about [[Louis Wain]]. Louis Wain is currently rated as B class; Bryan Charnley is rated as a stub. Expanding and improving those articles would be the path to getting something in DYK. ~ ''[[User:ONUnicorn|<span style="color:#0cc">ONUnicorn</span>]]''^{([[User talk:ONUnicorn|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn|Contribs]])}<small>[[WP:P&amp;S|problem solving]]</small> 13:55, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

:::Ok good to know. I have been editing for a while and would love to see a fact on the main page. '''(Boeing747Pilot) [[User:Boeing747Pilot |Boeing747Pilot]] ([[User talk:Boeing747Pilot|talk]])''' 14:58, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

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::::I also should work and have my fact be a little better considering i learned about this from a shady source. '''(Boeing747Pilot) [[User:Boeing747Pilot |Boeing747Pilot]] ([[User talk:Boeing747Pilot|talk]])''' 15:01, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

== Today's FA ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ecclesiastical_heraldry&action=history] Is it just me or has no one really vandalized Today's FA in the 2+ hours it has been up on the Main Page?? '''[[User:Nishkid64|<span style="background:#009;color:#7FFF00">Nish</span><span style="background:cyan;color:#009">kid</span>]][[User talk:Nishkid64|<span style="background:orange;color:navy blue">64</span>]]''' 02:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:It is cascade protected, from [[Main Page/Tomorrow]]. I am not exactly sure how yet, I am trying to fix it. [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]} 02:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

::I fixed it. Someone vandalized tomorrow's POTD ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:POTD_protected/2007-02-05&diff=105447610&oldid=105134913]) and transcluded it there. —<span style="font: small-caps 14px times; color: red;">[[User:Mets501|Mets501]] ([[User talk:Mets501|talk]])</span> 02:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Yep, that is it. That was some smart vandalism. I think the cascade message should mention ''what'' the line of the cascade is (all the parent pages). [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]} 02:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

::::I knew it was too good to be true. The only time that we didn't have vandalism to the FA for a few hours was back on [[Christmas]] hehe. '''[[User:Nishkid64|<span style="background:#009;color:#7FFF00">Nish</span><span style="background:cyan;color:#009">kid</span>]][[User talk:Nishkid64|<span style="background:orange;color:navy blue">64</span>]]''' 02:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::I wonder where the vandals were... :-) | [[User:AO|<font face="Papyrus" color="Black" size="1">'''A'''</font><font face="Papyrus" color="DarkSlateGray">ndonic</font><font face="Papyrus" color="Black" size="1">'''O'''</font>]] ^{<font color="DarkSlateGray">[[User talk:AO|''Talk'']]</font> · <font color="DarkSlateGray">[[User:AO/My Autograph Book|''Sign Here'']]</font>} 13:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::: Getting ready for [[Super Bowl XLI|this]]? --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 14:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Wow! 30 seconds of commercials are worth USD2.6 million! | [[User:AO|<font face="Papyrus" color="Black" size="1">'''A'''</font><font face="Papyrus" color="DarkSlateGray">ndonic</font><font face="Papyrus" color="Black" size="1">'''O'''</font>]] ^{<font color="DarkSlateGray">[[User talk:AO|''Talk'']]</font> · <font color="DarkSlateGray">[[User:AO/My Autograph Book|''Sign Here'']]</font>} 21:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

*Looks like it happened again: Somebody is vandalizing the unprotected POTD template, transcluding the TFA article, before it appears on [[Main Page/Tomorrow]] at 0:00 UTC. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:POTD_protected/2007-02-06&diff=105682436&oldid=105134960] Just by disabling cascade protection here will not solve the problem by itself, because the vandal will wait an extra day just before it goes on [[Main Page]] itself. '''''The only way to solve this issue is to protect all TFA, SA, and POTD templates and images ''manually''.''''' [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 05:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:Uh, no. The vandal won't be able to wait a day because the template will be protected while it is on Main Page/Tomorrow, and it will be protected while on the main page. No chance to vandalise in between those two times. The protection should be continuous, for two whole days. The key is to check the appearance and page history of the templates present on Main Page/Tomorrow, correct any vandalism, and then clear the content as "OK to go" for the Main Page the next day. I suggested setting up this system, but no-one ran with the idea. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 18:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

::Based on your comment Carcharoth, perhaps I did not make it clear the "larger vandalism issue", which caused [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] to make [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page/Tomorrow&diff=105683964&oldid=101225984 this comment] while disabling the cascade protection on [[Main Page/Tomorrow]]. Here, the vandal trancludes an article onto one of the unprotected main page templates at 23:59 UTC, seconds before it falls under [[Main Page/Tomorrow]]. Once the clock strikes 0:00 UTC, not only does the main page template automatically goes under the cascade protection, but also the article that the vandal added as well. This is the problem that Raul654 is talking about.

::But, maybe I should rephrase my previous suggestion in that the rotating TFA, SA, and POTD templates and images should be ''checked'' manually, not necessarily ''protected'' manually (although protecting manually with an expiry date would add an extra barrier). The basic solution that I was mostly thinking about is for someone to check at a random time, rather than solely rely on the automatic predetermined time of 0:00 UTC, where a vandal can have an opportunity to act seconds before. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 20:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Oh, I get it now. The vandal got ''today's'' featured article cascade-protected by sticking it into a template about to appear on Main Page/Tomorrow. The potential for vandals to do this kind of thing was actually mentioned at the time all this was discussed, so it is not anything new. I assumed that vandalism to a template about to go onto Main Page/Tomorrow would not show on the Main Page until it went onto the Main Page. But still, undoing cascade protection doesn't avoid the problem. It just means that, unless manually protected and manually checked, the same thing happens just before a template goes on the Main Page. The problem is having cascade protection hit Main Page/Tomorrow at a '''predicatable''' time. If one person had the job of, at an unpredictable time, visually checking Main Page/Tomorrow, and checking the recent edits to all templates there, and then applying the cascading protection to Main Page/Tomorrow, that would be enough to get round this problem, I think. Rather than reverting to manual protection on all templates. Again, it goes back to what I said in the original discussion - human eyes are still needed to watch the pages. The cascading protection just makes blanket protections easier (one protection instead of several) and ensures nothing is missed, but it can't actually do the checking that a human needs to do. (1) Check; (2) Cascade-protect; (3) When the template leave the main page, cascade-protection automatically lifted (unless they were already protected).

:::For more on the human oversight still needed in systems like this, see here:

:::*[[Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/ProtectionBot#Please don't forget that human oversight is still needed]].

:::In particular, what I wrote here: ''"having a box ticked to confirm that someone had checked the page. If this is not done, you can end up with everyone or no-one checking the page. By sod's law, and as people get bored doing this check, the one time no-one checks will be when the page (through one of its templates) is in a vandalised state. Everyone is away at various times, so you can't rely on a single person to carry out this single check. The reason an admin is needed to check the box (or turn a big red light green), is that if anyone can 'tick the box', then a vandal will do it. I suggest the sequence should go: (1) ProtectionBot protects all templates etc. on 'Tomorrow' at the beginning of a day. (2) An admin makes a change to a protected page (call it the checkpage) that indicates that the 'Tomorrow' page has been checked by a human, and indicates to others that this change has been done. (3) ProtectionBot checks the checkpage and if the change hasn't been made that indicates a human has checked the page, e-mails the admins on its list. (4) At the end of the day, ProtectionBot changes the checkpage back to its "unchecked" status. Put this checkpage on a ProtectionBot subpage if need be, and then transclude as a little red/green light at the top right of Main Page/Tomorrow. Does this sound workable or too complicated?" - Carcharoth 16:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)''

:::So I ask again, can a system like this be installed, so a little red light appears somewhere (WP:AN for example), that can be turned green by admins who have carried out the check? It would still need an adminbot unfortunately as the checkpage itself needs protecting, and needs to be automatically reset at the switchover point, unless a .js workaround can be done again. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 23:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== Main Page decision ==

So what exactly was the decision of the move? [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 16:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:It was rejected. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 16:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

::Rejected or no consensus was reached? [[User:203.109.240.93|203.109.240.93]] 22:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Well since no one could ever agree on where the move should go in the first place, and then when weighed up the benefits of a move were very small if non existent, I'd say it was more of a non-starter. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 12:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Will you ask that the next time he says 'rejected', too? — [[User:Ceejayoz|ceejayoz]] ^{<font color="darkred">[[User_talk:Ceejayoz|talk]]</font>} 17:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::::Eh, you thinkin' of the right RM? Everyone agreed it would go to Portal:Main Page, unlike another move. -- [[User:Chris is me|Chris]] [[Special:Contributions/Chris is me|is]] [[User talk:Chris is me|me]] <sub>[[User:Chris is me/sig/key|(u/c/t)]]<sub> 05:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::Most people who cared agreed on that ___location, but even in the last days of the last RM there was still debate about ___location. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 17:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== Super Bowl XLI ==

Since this is one of the largest sporting events around the world (at least TV wise), shouldn't it be mentioned on the front page today? I think it should. --[[User:RobNS|RobNS]] 20:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

::It will, once it happens. [[User:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''ffm'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''yes?'''</font>]]} 20:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:::And this appearance will be controversial. I wonder, RobNS, by what criteria you deem the Super Bowl to be "one of the largest sporting events around the world (at least TV wise)". --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 20:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

::::Well, I'm no expert, but I read/heard in the media that close to 200 countries are braodcasting the event, including Russia and the PRC (see our own wiki site on this here [[Super Bowl XLI]]). I suspect the vast majority of viewers are not really (Amercian) football fans, but this is a total show, with celebrities, etc. It's an event. At any rate it's not that big a deal to me, but it really should at least be mentioned.--[[User:RobNS|RobNS]] 20:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::Anyway, this does not belong on here anyway. This request belongs on [[WP:ITNMP]]. [[User:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''ffm'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''yes?'''</font>]]} 20:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::It's been added, well done people!--[[User:RobNS|RobNS]] 01:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

This news is not relevent for half of the world (non US part of the world), why it is on Main page!!

[[User:Mayur.thakare|spacejuncky]] 09:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:Hahaha, just as what I've expected. I expect a deluge of U.S. bias accusantions on this page shortly, lol. --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 12:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

To [[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] : I never meant the bias u are accusing me for, I just wanted to say that news should target most of the audience, worldwide. You have US Portal for that or there should be some portal which lists sports news.

::I disagree spacejuncky, I live in India, where most people haven't even heard of American football, let alone played it; yet the Super Bowl XLI was reported here, and lots of people saw it. --<span class="user-sig user-Shreshth91">May the Force be with you! [[User:Shreshth91|Shr]]e[[User talk:Shreshth91|shth91]]</span> 12:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:::I think there's a tendency among Americans (myself included) to think that the Super Bowl is watched by pretty much the entire world with the same intensity as in the United States. Sometimes we get fed statistics that it's watched by X billion people, which I recall reading somewhere isn't really accurate. Regardless, few Americans come here and complain when sporting events they've never heard of are mentioned on the front page. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 14:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

::::At least we're balancing it out with something on the Italian Football Association. --[[User:216.110.205.5|216.110.205.5]] 16:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::I wouldn't call that balancing. The violence resulting in the death of a police officer has caused the indefinite suspension of all football in Italy & high level government meetings. This isn't just about football anymore and was fairly major news (not just in sports). [[User:203.109.240.93|203.109.240.93]] 11:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Why is this mentioned? It's hardly relevant outside the US and at most gets 200 million viewers. The World Cup Final has over a billion if I recall correctly. I'm American btw (odd, but I hate American football and call what most here call soccer, football)--[[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] 02:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

: The NFL Network said on its Super Bowl broadcast that 1 billion people tuned in (yeah right...). And I'm guessing more people cared bout the Super Bowl than the Guinea news blurb that appeared a few days ago. --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 06:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the fact that it's the single most watched televised event nearly always every year (I think MASH beat it out once...) kinda makes it important. Somehow, I don't get the impression we'd have complaints if it weren't American... '''''<font color="darkblue">[[User:DoomsDay349|Dooms]]</font><font color="lightblue">[[User talk:DoomsDay349|Day349]]</font>''''' 02:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:Not true - we get complaints either way. Cast your mind back to the World Cup and the International Cricket. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 17:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, it was half a week ago. Can we at least move it down the list from the top? I mean, really, isn't the IPCC report still more significant than the fact that the Colts won? Hello? - [[User:BeardedPhysicist|BeardedPhysicist]] 23:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:On top of the Wikipedia's "Talk:Main_Page": ''"In the news" items are listed as they are added – there is no subjective order.'' --[[User:J. Nguyen|J. Nguyen]] 01:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== typo ==

the posting abot super bowl XLI says :stadiumin" instead of "stadium in"--[[User:Swainstonation|^{<font color="Red">''The''</font>}]][[User talk:Swainstonation|^{<font color="Blue">''Nation''</font>}]] 03:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:Was fixed. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']]&nbsp;&bull; 03:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:This post does not belong here. It belongs at [[WP:ERRORS]]. [[User:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''ffm'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''yes?'''</font>]]} 16:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== What happened to the iranian scientist in the news? ==

He's gone for some reason. Why so? [[User:Zazaban|Zazaban]] 04:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:The item was unverifiable and not encyclopaedic. Wikipedia is not Wikinews. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 12:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== Werdnabot ==

Somebody broke the Werdnabot template for this page - someone who knows how to fix it, please do. —[[User:Vanderdecken|Vanderdecken]]∴ <b>[[User talk:Vanderdecken|∫]][[Special:Emailuser/Vanderdecken|ξ]][[Special:Contributions/Vanderdecken|φ]]</b> 10:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:Fixed --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 12:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== Link to Frisian Wikipedia ==

Why there isn't a link to the Frisian Wikipedia? Frisian is the closest related language with English. I think the Frisian Wikipedia should get a link on the English Wikipedia.[[User:86.83.58.168|86.83.58.168]] 12:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:There's many many other languages that are linked from en.wp. - too many to have all on the main page directly. The largest are linked directly from the bottom of the main page, less larger are linked from the left box and the complete list is avalable from two links at the bottom of both those lists. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 12:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== TOC ==

Is it just me, or did the table of contents disappear? It was, after all, useful. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 12:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:It's just you.. you've gone crazy! ;) - No, seriously it will return very soon, we're working on a neater header layout for this page. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 13:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::There you go. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 13:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Thanks. What is neater in the header layout now? The archive box font is smaller and the previous one was in my opinion more elegant. Thanks for the table of contents, although it's kinda strange having to scroll through it the way it is now. I'm complaining, I know. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 16:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::::I don't know about you, but I like it this way. Maybe we need to make [[Talk:Main Page Alternates]] to appease individual user's preferences like we have the main page. <!--Kidding!--> [[User:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''ffm'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''yes?'''</font>]]} 16:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::It's okay, I mean, it serves its purpose. Maybe it's me, I'm somewhat grumpy and sleepy today, I had to endure an almost-all-night car ride from Germany. Anyhow, there are some main page alternatives around here and there, and forking a talk page is not really necessary, if I understood your intentions correctly. Cheers. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 17:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Can we please, please, please get rid of the stupid extra scroll bar on the TOC, ''please''? I realize that form-over-content types are going to say that it results in a more consistent appearance, but that's no excuse for making people use two separate scroll bars to see the end of the TOC, especially since the whole point of having one is ''to skip downward more easily than scrolling''. More easily, not thrice as difficult. If the preceding is not clear: I hate that. <tt style="color:#161;">''Gavia immer''<small> ([[User:Gavia immer|u]]|[[User talk:Gavia immer|t]])</small></tt> 17:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:I came up with the scrollbar idea (attack this &rarr;[[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]^{[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]} &#167;&larr; guy), due to concerns, which I will link to below. You can see my initial vision for the TOC at [[User:Gracenotes/Sandbox]], and Monotonehell's comments to [[User talk:Gracenotes|my talk page]], and mine [[User talk:Monotonehell|to his]]. It was deemed to be the best solution to the problem: namely, the ridiculously varying length of the Main Page TOC. I used [[Cascading Style Sheets|CSS]]'s "overflow" feature, and the extra scrollbar is far from the rule; it's the sad exception, which I've tried and failed to get rid of... I'll see if I can make a CSS hack, though, unpretty as they may be. [[User:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">Grace</font><font color="#000">notes</font>]]^{[[User talk:Gracenotes|<font color="#960">T</font>]]} &#167; 00:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::Nah, it's ugly and prevents you from seeing the links to most recent discussion without scrolling the thing. I say nix it. [[User talk:Zocky|Zocky]] | [[User:Zocky/Picture Popups|picture popups]] 02:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::Agree with Zocky that it is annoying since most of time I want to see what the latest discussion is. [[User:Evil Monkey|Evil Monkey]] - [[User talk:Evil Monkey|Hello]] 03:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

You're all heathens. HEATHENS! I tell's ya! LOL Okay if people hate it we can switch it back to a 3 page long TOC. I happen to think Gracenote's solution is very elegant. There's no extra scrolling. You scroll the TOC and then click. Instead of scrolling the main slider and click. ? --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 08:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it'd be best if it had no scrollbar, and was also floated to the right and upwards to slot into the free space there (looks odd where it is now). [[User:84.71.158.191|84.71.158.191]] 09:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:Forethought tells us that the slot with the free space under the archives wont be free in the future as the archive list continues to grow, as it has in the past. Unless we want to reorganise that some how? --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 11:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::I do not know how often the talk archive is accessed, but I think I have an idea. The last 20, 30 or so pages of the archive would be directly accessible from this box, and the older achives would be accessible from another separate page dedicated to harbouring the older pages. So basically there'd be a 'older talk' link and links to 30 or whatever latest pages of the archive the way it is now, what do you say Monotonehell? --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 15:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes that's the kind of thing I had in mind. It's just that I'm scared of the archive box now that it's all automated. ;) --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 17:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::::Hmm... *scratches head of self* I kinda understand this. Dreadful things, automations. But I will support you spiritually, however know very, very little about changing the code of archive boxes. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 18:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image with no source on the main page ==

The image [[:Image:Dolphinsmiamistadm.png]] is on the main page, and has been for over 24 hours. It has no real source. It lists the French Wikipedia as a source, and the French Wikipedia lists NASA, but does not provide a link. It is extremely unlikely that this image comes from NASA; it is much more likely that the image comes from Google Earth or a similar source. I don't believe this is a free image, and see no evidence that it is. It shouldn't stay on Wikipedia at all, and it certainly shouldn't be on the main page. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] ^{([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Special:Random|random]])} 13:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:Chances are it's from [[NASA World Wind]]. I'll redownload the software and check myself in a few minutes. [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] ^{[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]}⁄_{[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]} <small>&bull;&nbsp;13:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)</small>

::In fact, I don't need to. Look at the description line on the Commons page: ''3 août 2006 à 22:24 . . Betp . . 1024×722 (1 119 631 octets) (nasa world wind 1.3.5).'' It clearly states that it's from the World Wind project, and [[Dolphin Stadium]] gives sufficient details to locate it yourself. Updating the licence tag to be more specific, though. [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] ^{[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]}⁄_{[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]} <small>&bull;&nbsp;13:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)</small>

* I'll be glad when it's gone, too, since it keeps tricking me into thinking it's a [[microchip]]. :) --[[User:TotoBaggins|TotoBaggins]] 04:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

**I hear that. This image is really unsuitable for the main page. Very poor quality and practically zero encyclopedic value with regard to the Super Bowl. Whoops...sig <font style="background:#b22222;">'''[[User:JHMM13|<font style="color:white;font-size:105%">JHMM13</font>]]'''&nbsp;</font>[[Image:Lion of Venice.jpg|26px|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 08:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'll be. I guess it ''is'' free then. Glad to hear it. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] ^{([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Special:Random|random]])} 17:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== Archive box ==

Can anyone confirm that the new archive box is working in IE? My copy is doing some very strange things that I don't believe are right. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 13:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:It works fine for me in Internet Explorer. What "strange things" do you see? '''[[User:Nishkid64|<span style="background:#009;color:#7FFF00">Nish</span><span style="background:cyan;color:#009">kid</span>]][[User talk:Nishkid64|<span style="background:orange;color:navy blue">64</span>]]''' 15:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:That's good, thanks. All the fonts are twice as big, for no good reason! Stupid IE being stupid again I guess. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 16:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::This user recomends [[Mozilla Firefox]]. [[User:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''ffm'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''yes?'''</font>]]} 20:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::This IP reccomends that Monotonehell created the design using Firefox and is merely testing it in the majority browser. [[User:84.71.158.191|84.71.158.191]] 07:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::::The IP wins! Firefoxman would receive a complementary beating for being incorrect, but since Firefox was mentioned the "escape without beating" clause is invoked! lol I use Firefox all the time but I'm forced to test *twitch* my web designs in IE *twitch* and then downgrade them so that they work in *twitch* IE before I publish them for clients. *twitch* I hate IE. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 08:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::Imagine having to design and update monobook. That should make you feel lucky. [[User:84.71.158.191|84.71.158.191]] 09:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::There is a reason why I've kept right away from participating in that ;) --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 11:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

==Lisa Nowak==

Newsworhty? Yes. One of the five or six most newsworthy items in the world at this moment no. I would say Ryan O'Neal's arrest was more notable. [[User:84.64.231.230|84.64.231.230]] 19:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

That was me sorry forgot to log in [[User:Jimmmmmmmmm|Jimmmmmmmmm]] 19:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think its newsworthy either. Should be removed ASAP. [[User:Leotolstoy|Leotolstoy]] 19:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:This does not belong here! Go to [[WP:ERRORS]] instead. [[User:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''ffm'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''yes?'''</font>]]} 20:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::"Please only post error reports regarding what is currently on the main page here." This doesn't really seem like an error report. [[User talk:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] 20:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Quite true, although [[Template talk:In the news]] would probably be the best place.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] ^{([[User talk:Fyre2387|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fyre2387|contribs]])} 05:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== bias? ==

how come some fa article, in the main page for long time, than some other fa article stay for short amount of time only? is there are discrimination on certain topic or what?, or theres some special criteria to stay longer on main page.--[[User:Tearfate|Tearfate]] 14:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:Nope, it is changed every day at 00:00 UTC. About 8 or 9pm EST. [[User:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''ffm'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Firefoxman|<font color="#8C8C8C">'''yes?'''</font>]]} 14:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

*All featured articles stay for exactly one day. —'''[[User:Dark Shikari|<font color="#0000bb">Da<font color="#000066">rk<font color="#000022">•S</font>hik</font>ari</font>]]'''^{[[User talk:Dark Shikari|[T]]]} 14:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== News ==

Is there no new news in world.after super bowl?[[User talk:Yousaf465]]

:Wikipedia is not a news service. There's not been any suitable suggestions for ITN since... [[WP:ITN/C]] If you have any suggestions, read the criteria and make some. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 17:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The news is never updated. It will show the same thing for about a week. [[User:Randomfrenchie|Randomfrenchie]] 22:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:It doesn't get updated by magic. ITN relies on people making suggestions at [[WP:ITN/C]]. Quit complaining and help. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 23:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:True. Go kill some president, and make sure you can create an article about it and suggest it before you get caught. Kidding.--[[User:Cloviz|cloviz]] 01:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Misspelling on main page ==

I don't think "relict" is a word. [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] 02:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)