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== [[ESEA Meetup]] proposal CentralNotice banner ==
Hi, everyone. I'd like to ask for assistance in setting up a CentralNotice campaign for a survey being disseminated to gauge interest in a 2015 [[ESEA Meetup|meetup of East and Southeast Asian Wikipedians]] being worked on by Wikimedia Taiwan, Wikimedia Indonesia and Wikimedia Philippines.
Here are the parameters for the banner:
* Link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ZXkethl3-fQUcmzJYUEmpvFJBsL05ucHCKmco-tOQ2I/viewform
* Duration: from December 10th to 31st, 2014
* Audience: for all '''logged-in users''' in the following countries: Brunei, Burma/Myanmar, Cambodia, China, East Timor, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Japan, North Korea (if this is possible), South Korea, Laos, Macau, Malaysia, Mongolia, the Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand and Vietnam
* Coverage: all projects
* Text:
**'''English''' (default): You are invited to answer a survey on a potential meeting of East and Southeast Asian Wikipedians in 2015. <!--PLEASE PUT TRANSLATIONS BELOW THE ENGLISH TEXT.-->
**'''Acehnese''': Neutulông jaweuëb teunanyöng (lam bahsa Inggréh) bhaih reuncana Duëk Pakat Wikipèdia Asia Timu ngön Tunggara thôn 2015.
**'''Chinese''': 2015年東亞與東南亞維基區域會議籌備中，歡迎於12月31日前填寫此份問卷（英文）提供籌備參考。
**'''Khmer''': សូមចូលរួមបំពេញកម្រងសំណួរដែលស្ដីអំពីការជួបជុំនៃវិគីភីឌានៅតំបន់អាស៊ីបូព៌ានិងអាស៊ីអាគ្នេយ៍។
**'''Indonesian''': Anda diundang untuk mengisi survei (berbahasa Inggris) mengenai kemungkinan penyelenggaraan "Pertemuan Wikipediawan Asia Timur & Asia Tenggara" di tahun 2015.
**'''Japanese''': 2015年に東アジア・東南アジアのウィキメディア地域会議を検討中です。この参考とするため、12月31日までにアンケートにご協力ください。
**'''Javanese''': Panjenengan katuran ngisi surve (nganggo basa Inggris) ngenani angkah sapatemon para Wikipediawan saka tlatah Asia Kidul Wetan lan Asia Wetan ing taun 2015.
**'''Korean''': 2015년에 개최를 준비 중인 동아시아 & 동남아시아 사용자 모임에 대한 설문 조사에 응답해 주세요.
**'''Malay''': Anda dijemput untuk menjawab sebuah kaji selidik (dalam bahasa Inggeris) mengenai bakal mesyuarat Ahli Wikipedia Asia Timur dan Tenggara pada tahun 2015.
**'''Minangkabau''': Dunsanak kasadonyo diimbau untuak maisi survei (baso Inggirih) manganai kamungkinan diadoannyo Patamuan Wikipediawan Asia Timur jo Asia Tenggara di taun 2015.
**'''Spanish''': Usted está invitado para responder un cuestionario (en inglés) con respecto a un encuentro propuesto para 2015 para los wikipedistas en Asia Oriental y Sudeste Asiático.
**'''Sundanese''': Anjeun diulem pikeun ngawaler surpéy (dina basa Inggris) ngeunaan rencana panglawungan Wikipédiawan Asia Tenggara jeung Asia Wétan taun 2015.
**'''Tagalog''': Inaanyayahan po kayong sumagot ng isang kuwestiyonaryo (sa Ingles) ukol sa minumungkahing pagtitipon ng mga Wikipedista sa Silangan at Timog-silangang Asya ngayong 2015.
* Image: [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg|Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg]]
We've been asking around other Wikipedians to prepare banner text in other languages (Korean, Japanese, Khmer, Malay, etc.), and we hope to get translations before the banners are up, but otherwise, we hope that they can be updated accordingly when they come. Thanks again! :) --[[User:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>Sky Harbor</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>talk</b></font>]])</sup> 07:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:For Indonesian please change it into this "**'''Indonesian''': Anda diundang untuk mengisi survei (berbahasa Inggris) mengenai kemungkinan penyelenggaraan "East & Southeast Asia Wikipedians Meetup" di tahun 2015." it's not Inggeris but Inggris.--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;">[[User:Aldnonymous|AldNon]]</font><sup>[[User_talk:Aldnonymous|Ucallin?☎]]</sup> 08:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
::Done. --[[User:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>Sky Harbor</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>talk</b></font>]])</sup> 09:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Sky Harbor, I've added Javanese language version above. I hope you don't mind. Thanks, [[User:Naval Scene|XoXo]] ([[User talk:Naval Scene|talk]]) 12:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Added ko, but not creating centralnotice as I am not familiar with CN tools. (ps. AFAIK, N. Korea doesn't have external internet connection except for the servants of the Kim Dynasty.) — [[User talk:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 18:19, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:{{u|-revi}}, would you know anyone who would be willing to set up the campaign? I'd ask {{u|PiRSquared}} if he's willing to set this one up again for me (since he set up the last CN banner campaign I requested for), but I'm fine with anyone setting this up so long as they're up. :) (Also, I wonder what's the likelihood of someone from North Korea actually coming to this meeting if they see the banner. Remote, but you never know. :P) --[[User:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>Sky Harbor</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>talk</b></font>]])</sup> 03:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:: The Chinese version is strange, it needs to add the date, please change it into "2015年東亞與東南亞維基區域會議籌備中，歡迎於12月31日前填寫此份問卷（英文）提供籌備參考。". Thank you. --[[User:Shangkuanlc|Liang]]([[Wikimedia_Taiwan|WMTW]]) ([[User talk:Shangkuanlc|talk]]) 07:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Done, but you know that this is just a slightly modified version of the original banner on the Chinese Wikipedia, right? :P --[[User:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>Sky Harbor</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>talk</b></font>]])</sup> 09:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
::I'd ask {{ping|Glaisher|p=}}. — [[User talk:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 13:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Hi. I'm currently on vacation and do not have access to a decent internet connection (barely able to check my mail) so can't do a cn while Im here. :( Sorry.. let's just hope that {{ping|PiRSquared17}} or another user is able to do this. [[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 15:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:::: Hi. May I help? What needs to be done exactly? :-) Best regards. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 07:33, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
::::: Creating [[Special:CentralNotice]] per [[Help:CentralNotice]]? — [[User talk:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 07:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::: Yup, thought so. I'll see what I can do. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 11:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::: Campaign created with the languages and all the countries posted above (NK included). I'll try to set the banners. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 12:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
{{unindent|:::::::}} {{ok}}. I have created the [//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNotice&method=listNoticeDetail¬ice=ESEA+Meetup campaign] <s>and the [//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/ESEA_meetup banner] (very simple as my knowledge of CSS is very limited)</s>. I had to change the message adding a "click here" message for the link. Until all this can be reviewed I advice against performing translations, because if the programming of this is wrong, all will go to waste. So '''please await until somebody more CN-savy can have a look at this'''. Campaign is obviously not yet activated. Thanks. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 13:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
: I'm working on the banner again. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 20:25, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:: {{ok}} - banner created again. Please [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Centralnotice-tgroup-ESEA_meetup&filter= add the translations]]. Best regards. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 20:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Okay, done. Copied all the translations over to Special:Translate, and we'll continue securing other translations. Muito obrigado, {{u|MarcoAurelio}}! :) --[[User:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>Sky Harbor</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>talk</b></font>]])</sup> 00:33, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
* Couple comments {{u|MarcoAurelio}} pinged me to review:
** It is fundraising time but I don't 'think' they are planning to be up in the region. I've sent them a message though to be sure.
** Is it possible to split the message into 2 lines? This could be done with either a new message or just placing a <nowiki> <br /> </nowiki> break in the middle of each translation. When it's one long line like this it makes the text harder to use on smaller screens because it can wrap weirdly.
** Because the link goes to google docs (which people may not expect and doesn't follow our privacy policy) we need to give them a bit of a warning. I'll ask legal quickly in the morning but I think it should be fine with a little note at the end of the link saying it goes to google. [[User:Jalexander-WMF|Jalexander]]--[[:w:Wikimedia Foundation|WMF]] 03:20, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Hi [[User:Jalexander-WMF|Jalexander]]. About the message splitting, for the Indonesian languages - Acehnese, Indonesian, Javanese, Malay, Minangkabau, & Sundanese - the split can be made after the closing parenthesis. Thanks, [[User:Naval Scene|XoXo]] ([[User talk:Naval Scene|talk]]) 04:41, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
::::I don't remember the issue of a form being a Google Docs document being a problem in the past though. The last Wikimedia Philippines CentralNotice campaign was for a thesis questionnaire made using our Google Apps service and disseminated in this manner, so I'm confused now as to why we're "scrutinizing", if you will, the link being shared through this campaign if a Wikimedia affiliate's Google Apps service was used to make the form. --[[User:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>Sky Harbor</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>talk</b></font>]])</sup> 01:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::::: {{u|Sky Harbor}} To be honest, it's probably the very bad "no one noticed" reason, not that it wasn't an issue then too :-/. I did talk to legal and they agree we need to have a warning on the banner, it's fine to link to google we just need people to know that. [[User:Jalexander-WMF|Jalexander]]--[[:w:Wikimedia Foundation|WMF]] 01:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::: Thanks for you assistance, [[User:Jalexander-WMF|Jalexander]]! [[User:Naval Scene|XoXo]] ([[User talk:Naval Scene|talk]]) 10:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Sky Harbor}} Do you still need this? If needed, I could make the banner with a notice but would need the text to use for that (and translations of it). --[[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 18:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, {{u|Glaisher}}, we still need the banner. The text is the text immediately above this conversation; {{u|MarcoAurelio}} made a campaign but it hasn't shown up yet, so perhaps that might need to be fixed. --[[User:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>Sky Harbor</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Sky Harbor|<font color="#0066ff" ><b>talk</b></font>]])</sup> 02:58, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
::: Both, campaign and banner were created, but I didn't activated them because I requested James to have a look at those first. If updates are needed, they can be done on the already existing ESEA_meetup campaign/banner. Thanks. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 13:42, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
::::I've created a new banner [[Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/ESEA_meetup_survey|here]] ([//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Random&banner=ESEA_meetup_survey&force=1 preview]) as it's much easier to work on a new one. However, it has additional text as James suggested and needs translations. Direct translation link: [//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Centralnotice-tgroup-ESEA_meetup_survey&action=translate] I haven't imported the previous translations so that needs to be done again too; it would be nice if someone else could copy them over to translate :). I could publish them then. Fundraising banners shouldn't be a problem because this is a logged-in only banner. Let me know if there is any other issue. Best regards, --[[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 16:32, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
== Required attributions of OpenStreetMap missing in slippy maps of French Wikipedia ==
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See '''[[Requests for comment/Required attributions of OpenStreetMap missing in slippy maps of French Wikipedia|the Requests for comment]]''' subpage. [[User:Verdy p|verdy_p]] ([[User talk:Verdy p|talk]]) 16:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
:What does this have to do with Meta-Wiki? --[[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 17:00, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
:: Don't reply here please, I've linked the specific subpage for this issue, '''use it!''' [[User:Verdy p|verdy_p]] ([[User talk:Verdy p|talk]]) 18:36, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Actually, this entire issue is unrelated to Meta-Wiki, and should be discussed on frwiki. <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">Snowolf</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small></sup></b></i> 18:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Verdy_p}} I fixed it in fr-wiki, see your pings there. The attribution was already there, just obscured by CSS. I fixed the CSS. [[User:PiRSquared17|PiRSquared17]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|talk]]) 18:42, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
::::: ???? Nothing has changed, there's nothing visible in the history of the gadget, nothing when refreshing the pages. Really you did not submit your change, you just copied the existing code. [[User:Verdy p|verdy_p]] ([[User talk:Verdy p|talk]]) 18:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|verdy_p}} you need an fr-wiki admin to change the gadget. I've done as much as I can. I'm not a steward so I can't help you. But my version fixes the attribution problem [[User:PiRSquared17|PiRSquared17]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|talk]]) 19:11, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
*This is now finally done (it was a two line CSS fix). See updates on the "rfc" or the frwiki thread. <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">Snowolf</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small></sup></b></i> 20:12, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
*: A really dirty fix ! The map is still truncated on the right; the IFRAME has an unpredictable and not needed (grey) border (varying across browsers, also truncated on the bottom and right); the top white area (for dragging the pannel and containing the "Masquer" link) is really huge (10%) when it could be just 1.5em... See my comments on the talk page of the gadget... Visibly the correctors don't know that using BOTH sizing/positioning AND borders/paddings together on the same element does not work well. Nobody sizes an IFRAME on the net with 100% while also keeping its borders/paddings; And Apparently you don't know clearly why a (legacy) IFRAME does not work like regular HTML elements (it does not honor basic CSS attributes and notably not "right" and "bottom") and that they have default sizes and unpredictable default borders across browsers; the fixers don't know what is "box-sizing" (in HTML5/CSS3) and how it is related to differences across browsers (IE quirk modes) or why it could be useful for HTML5 (but it is still not portable with many existing browsers, so we need to avoid mixing borders/paddings with sizing/positioning on the same HTML element, even legacy ones). [[User:Verdy p|verdy_p]] ([[User talk:Verdy p|talk]]) 21:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
*::The fix restores attribution. If you do not like the fix, talk to the maintainer of the gadget and propose a different fix to '''them'''. This is a frwiki matter, end of the story so go discuss it on frwiki with frwiki people. Meta-Wiki has nothing to do with this and multiple people have advised you of this in multiple venues. <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">Snowolf</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small></sup></b></i> 21:10, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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*: Not multiple people, only you,. And the LCA has thanked me about submitting them the issue which was certainly not specific to French Wikipedia ! They will monitor all similar issues oin any other wiki or server hosted by the Foundation. All other wikis are advized now. It was a good thing to alert them to avoid repeating the same issue (or similar issues that could arize with preinstalled gadgets and extensions to use third-party data). Even if this concerned just Wikipedia, there was still a very important second party which is the copyright owner (the OSM Foundation which has important signed agreements with the WMF with common projects, operated in servers hosted by the WMF or by the OSMF). That legal issue could not be ignored. [[User:Verdy p|verdy_p]] ([[User talk:Verdy p|talk]]) 05:52, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
:::So? There's nothing to do with that on '''Meta-Wiki''', '''HERE'''. Here is a place for help about '''Meta-Wiki''', not any other projects. — [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 19:08, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
== Please fix ASAP ==
Please replace "http://" =>"//" (in the CSS) in [[Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/WMIL_Wikidictionary_Course_Banner]] as it cause security warning. [[User:ערן|eranroz]] ([[User talk:ערן|talk]]) 19:54, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
:{{reply to|ערן}}. Okay, think I fixed it. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 20:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
== Cannot view abuse log ==
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There is nothing to do with Meta-Wiki sysops and bureaucrats about this issue. If someone want to propose change on software, do it on appropriate forum. (It is clear that here is not appropriate.) — [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 18:50, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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When a user tries to access the abuse log while they are blocked/autoblocked/globally blocked, they cannot view it. Instead, they get an error that says they are blocked from editing pages.
What does this mean? [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CC2E:EFB0:74A7:E1BB:F6F1:4AE1|2602:306:CC2E:EFB0:74A7:E1BB:F6F1:4AE1]] 01:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:This is intentional and by design: blocked users cannot view the abuse log.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 07:04, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::How ridiculous, they can just log out. --<small>[[User:MF-Warburg|MF-W]]</small> 04:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
::: Global config for AF for this is:
:::<syntaxhighlight lang="php">$wgGroupPermissions['*']['abusefilter-view'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['abusefilter-log'] = true;</syntaxhighlight>
::: This can be changed for Meta if there's community consensus for it, though. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 12:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
"Security through obscurity" is a dumb and discredited idea. The logs should be visible to everyone. "Free as in freedom" software is built on the idea of sharing. Information should be shared with everyone, including people who dislike. We shouldn't compromise freedom just to keep an "enemy" away. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] ([[User talk:Michaeldsuarez|talk]]) 14:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
:And then the blocked user will circumvent what-stopping-them/filter? Example: There are LTA who like adding spam pages so much that local sysop need to add regex for the words, then he logged out and see that word is ''blacklisted'', then he change the wording just by one alphabet. VOILA, he's now back.--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;">[[User:Aldnonymous|AldNon]]</font><sup>[[User_talk:Aldnonymous|Ucallin?☎]]</sup> 15:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
::The preferred solution to software issues is to improve the software, not hide the bugs and flaws. If a filter is being "beaten", then it needs to be improved, not hidden. Hiding hinders progress. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] ([[User talk:Michaeldsuarez|talk]]) 18:40, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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== Help ==
Hi. I want to revert vandal edits from {{vandal|82.9.4.141}} but the rollback link doesn't work for such a page. I admit I'm a bit lost figuring out what to do. Any ideas/advice? Thanks. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 15:29, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
:It's in the translation software; you may have to delete the numbered subpage (and grant yourself TA if needed). --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 15:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
::As you figured out correctly, [[Translations:Privacy policy/57/eml]] needed to be deleted. -[[User:Barras|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''Barras'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Barras|<span style="color:red; font-family:Bookman Old Style">'''talk'''</span>]] 15:38, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
::[//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Privacy_policy/eml&diff=prev&oldid=10859311 Fixed]. TA is not needed here. In these cases, we have to delete the page in Translations: namespace (which you had already done) and then null edit the translatable page manually. There's a bug about the translatable page not being updated when translation units are deleted. --[[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 15:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
::which is [[phab:T41415]] [[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 15:45, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
::: Thanks all. Will remember the null edit, until the bug is fixed. Best regards. -- <tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 22:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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