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== Natalensis is now a species on its own ==
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:IUCN now shows [https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/13300572/13300582 "Central African python" (''P. sebae'')] and [https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/13300560/13300564 "Southern African Rock Python" (''P. natalensis'')] as two separate species. So does ITIS. ITIS has marked the subspecies names as invalid and the two species-level names as valid. —⁠ ⁠[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 00:37, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
== Is this an apex predator? ==
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== Requested move 5 June 2022 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' Uncontroversial. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> — ''Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung'', ''[[User:Mellohi!|mello]]'''''[[User talk:Mellohi!|hi!]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Mellohi!|投稿]]) 17:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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* [[:African rock python]] → {{no redirect|Central African rock python}}
* [[:Southern rock python]] → {{no redirect|Southern African rock python}}
– or ''{{-r|Python sebae}}'' and ''{{-r|Python natalensis}}''. ITIS and IUCN show these as separate species with the suggested article names as the primary common names. ITIS has marked the subspecies-level names as invalid and the two species-level names as valid. The {{-r|Southern rock python}} article already includes "African" in the boldfaced common name in its opening sentence.
: '''Support'''. I don't see Central African rock python at ITIS, only at the IUCN. Reptile database uses Southern African rock python but not Central African rock python. However, before the species split, the two subspecies were commonly known as the Southern and Central African rock python (e.g. [https://africawildtrails.com/danger-zone-the-african-rock-python/ here], [https://www.petmd.com/reptile/species/african-rock-python here] and [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Central+African+rock+python%22&client=firefox-b-d&channel=trow5&sxsrf=ALiCzsYoR-2AxCoATe-71kRH1aVwrleGtA%3A1654580983574&ei=9-aeYurJIsehgQbJy7moDw&ved=0ahUKEwiqoZy-0pr4AhXHUMAKHcllDvUQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=%22Central+African+rock+python%22&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBggAEB4QFjoHCAAQRxCwAzoKCAAQRxCwAxDJAzoECCMQJzoFCC4QgARKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQkwdYvRZgphxoAXABeACAAW6IAacCkgEDMS4ymAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz others]), so the IUCN is just using the common names of the subspecies for the same snakes at species level in accord with the revised taxonomy. I see know reason not to follow the IUCN. — <span style="font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> [[User:Jts1882|Jts1882]] |[[User talk:Jts1882| talk]] </span> 06:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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{{done}} [[User:DrVogel|Dr. Vogel]] ([[User talk:DrVogel|talk]]) 17:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
==Removed items==
Removed these items, as they will refer to ''Python natalensis'', not ''Python sebae'', or are uncertain:
*[[:File:Python's picnic - Flickr - mango atchar.jpg|thumb|right|Constricting a pregnant goat]] [in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe]
*[[:File:Adult Female Python sebae 1.33aspect.jpg|thumb|right|Captive female]] - no provenance, so uncertain (is it identifiable?)
* In 1979 in [[Waterberg District Municipality|Waterberg District]], Limpopo Province (then Northern Transvaal), South Africa, a {{cvt|4.5|m|ft}} Central African rock python killed a 13-year-old boy.<ref name=ark9/> The victim died due to suffocation and internal injuries; his body was released by the python after intervention by an adult man some 20 minutes after the attack began.<ref name=ark9/> The victim's head was covered in saliva, and scientists thought "it could have easily succeeded in swallowing" the {{cvt|1.3|m|ft}}, {{Convert|45|kg}} boy had it not been interrupted.<ref name=ark9/>
* In 2002 near [[Durban]], South Africa, a 10-year-old boy was reportedly swallowed by a Central African rock python over a three-hour period, as seven other children stayed hidden in a mango tree.<ref name=flanagan/><ref name=ayoob>{{ cite news | title=Boy quiet as snake swallows him | date=23 November 2002 | work=News24 | publisher=24.com | last=Ayoob | first=Zoobair | url=http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Boy-quiet-as-snake-swallows-him-20021123 }}</ref> The animal was not captured and the story could not be verified, although detailed descriptions of the snake's markings and predation technique were reported to have seemed credible to a local snake park operator.<ref name=flanagan>{{cite news | title=Hunt for giant snake that ate 10-year-old Durban boy whole | last=Flanagan | first=Jane | ___location=Johannesburg | date=24 November 2002 | work=The Telegraph | publisher=Telegraph Media Group Limited | url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/1414171/Hunt-for-giant-snake-that-ate-10-year-old-Durban-boy-whole.html }}</ref>
The attacks by pet pythons at various locations also need to be checked for identification, particularly if they preceed widespread knowledge of there being two species of rock pythons. - [[User:MPF|MPF]] ([[User talk:MPF|talk]]) 22:37, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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