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== [[StreetTalk:Metal FighterGear: AlphaGhost Babel]] ==

There is an ongoing move request. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 23:48, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

*You need to use the preview function more. Your last two edits to this article have been, to put it mildly, lacking. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 08:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

**Sorry. I was half asleep when I made those edits. But you didn't have to rub it in my face either. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 16:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

== RegardingMetal theGear Poisoncanon articletimeline Rising ==

Although the main game and the Bladewolf DLC took place during 2018, the Sam DLC was strongly implied to have taken place two years before the events of the main game (as it details how Sam got involved with Desperado and World Marshall's Operation Tecumseh, which Sam's final recording to Bladewolf specifically mentioned was being planned for two years), meaning 2016. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 16:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

:The setting of the Jetstream chapter is never exactly stated in-game though and Sam could've joined Senator Armstrong at any point between those two years when Operation Tecumseh. Putting 2016 on that timeline just reeks of [[original research]]. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 18:19, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

::Actually, Sam's exact words were "Two years I've been working towards this [Operation Tecumseh], and on the last day blondie [Raiden] has me doubting the whole thing." That implies that he had joined up two years prior to the events of the game. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle McHairybug|talk]]) 01:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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I disagree with your reasons for moving them as info from said article comes from official info by capcom, and that the only two statements regarding merging it with the [[List of Final Fight characters]] were in fact against the motion. Said List should (in my opinion) be reserved for characters that serve little to no actual significance in the storyline save for quick tidbits or their weight in the actual games, not a character that has appeared in three separate games and was set up to appear in a fourth, and whose storyline is tied up with several other Street Fighter related characters such as Hugo and Cody. I've opted to undo your redirect once again, but will give Danny Lilithborne a shout about the article given he's primarily the one that seems to have some final say on the articles as a whole, and see if he agrees with your standpoint. I ask that you at least be patient, or at least come up with some concrete reasoning as to crowd an already very crowded page with some extra info on this character. Thanks for your time and patience, I look forward to your response.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 06:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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:To put it quite bluntly (as with most Street Fighter/Final Fight-related articles), that Poison article sucks. It's mostly an in-universe biography of the character, accompanied by a self-contradictory debate on whether the character has a penis or not and a useless trivia section. Aside from a few leads, it ignores the fact that Poison was mostly just a video game character who went from being a common enemy character in a popular side-scrolling beat-em-up, to a playable character in an obscure and unpopular fighting game, to merely an NPC in the Street Fighter III series. She's not really that revelant of a character outside Capcom fandom. The write-up in the [[List of Final Fight characters]] pretty much says the same thing in less than two paragraps. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 07:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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::Well let's see....rewriting that so it's out-of-universe was actually not very hard at all. Hey, I'm half awake and I was able to do it. Cleared up some of the fan contradiction in the Controversy section and fomatted it a bit more to be more of an article rather than a footnote. The main problem with the character and controversy is, if you had read about some, the fact that capcom loves to contradict themselves over the matter to either just stir up the water or because Capcom USA and Capcom Japan get their wires crossed. You also overlooked the entire fact that this happens to be the only character of this nature in Capcom's Street Fighter canon (especially since Roxy is now changed to being female in the last story revision), and while that's not a big matter for me I'm pretty sure that's significant for someone. Now, with all that taken care of and information there actually factual from capcom's own design info as researched by Tiamat, I think that's it mainly other than waiting out for your second merge proposal and seeing who agrees with it if anyone and going from there.

== Game Gear ==

As it stands, if anything needs cleanup and some splitting about, it's the oversized List of FF chars, which is a pain to wade through and already creating warnings due to size when one goes to edit it.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 15:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow. I haven't been part of what was then called the Computers and video games (CVG) for probably at least eight years by now. My views on [[WP:PRIMARY]] and page moves have changed a lot since then - see, for instance, that my original example of using [[Nintendo GameCube]] isn't valid anymore since it is now simply at [[GameCube]]. Also back then there were raging wars about Lost Levels vs. SMB2 Japan and of course the oft-resurrected Genesis vs. Mega Drive, to the point where someone (bwhahaha) actually moved it to Sega Mega Drive/Genesis. [[User:Hbdragon88|hbdragon88]] ([[User talk:Hbdragon88|talk]]) 07:05, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

:I really only called you out since you were involved in the previous page move discussion, since I felt it was the right thing to do to ask for your input to see if you're still interested. At any rate, I'm surprised the page hasn't been moved already, given how it has a consensus in favor of the page move. Most of my edits have been regarding official naming conventions regarding gaming and computing platforms, as I told another editor. I generally tend to prefer official conventions. I always thought it was odd that the [[Nintendo GameCube]] page was moved to [[GameCube]]. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 07:35, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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:::I only did the Final Fight list because they were too many stub-like Final Fight character articles that basically just reiterate what little plot the game, providing only a brief one/two-phrase description of the character. It's more of a temporary fix than a permanent solution. Honestly, there's not much you can say about Carlos, Dean, Lucia, Kyle and all the other Final Fight characters appearing in the sequels outside of the games themselves. The only notable characters are the ones appearing multiple games, and almost all of them just happens to be from the original ''Final Fight'' (the most popular installment). Basically they need to be merge with with their proper article as opposed to being maintained in an overcrowded list. Affter doing that, I'll probably dismantle the list.

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:::As for Roxy being female now, I think that may had been more of a mistranslation from whoever translated the CCC profiles than a genuine story revision.[[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 02:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Welcome to the problem of capcom retcons: what they say one time may not be true down the line, and you have something else stated another time. There's really nothing at this point coming after that that's canon counteracting what was said in CCC that Roxy is male. The fact that she's also stated there to disprove of Poison's crossdressing makes it further likely it was a retcon and not a goof (that had to be one heck of a mistranslation, and if it wasn't and she is a man, there's no solid explaination for her crossdressing if she disproves of it soundly O_o). When you get into "this or that may be mistranslated"...you get problems galore. Basically IMHO it's best to stick with "it is this" until they come back around and state otherwise.

::::As for the Final Fight article, a few bits of that could easily be split off for their own article, but not many. Specifically talking about the Andore and both Belgers (combine their bits into one article). Rolento's troops could be spliced into his own article, and everyone else moved to their respective games they came from in that one. Dean and Lucia have jack to support themselves as solo articles other than they were support characters. Carlos...I'd recommend leaving as while he was a support character, he does have a bit more ties to the other FF characters moreso than the previous two (hell, some SF3 characters have less bio info than him). Kyle wins out only because he's a game's lead protagonist, as it stands that article could be expanded a lot for him easily. So way I see it, only the two FF3 support characters are really the dead weight and as it stands forgotten by capcom at this point entirely. What do you think?--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 03:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

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:I'm pretty sure the Super Famicom Final Fight manual says that Roxy is indeed a cross dressing buddy of Poison and states something that Roxy doesn't really like being a cross dresser himself, but merely does it out of his admiration for Poison. But since I don't have manual myself right now, I'll refrain from writing that right now. I'm surprised they even gave Roxy a backstory, considering she's the only palette/head-swap enemy to have one.

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:I don't really consider biographical data and character connections to be concrete enough to sustain a stand-alone character. If you're familiar with Capcom (not just Street Fighter, but also Mega Man and Resident Evil), you'll know that many of their back stories are filled with superfluous character connections. In Resident Evil, you have the rivarly between HUNK and Nicholai, as well as Alexia and Birkin, and the friendship between Leon and Kevin, even though none of those characters ever appeared in a game together. Anyway, Carlos' connection to Guy is mostly just trivia and if you remove it from his back story, it doesn't really affect the gameplay of ''Final Fight 2'' that much. Andore and Hugo could be merged, since they're essentially the same character with differet names. Kyle, again there's not much you can say about him to sustain a stand-alone article without reiterating the plot. I rewrote [[Maki (Final Fight)]] to suit a real world's perspective. It really irked me that her appearance in the GBA Alpha 3 was given precedence over CvS2, even though the only reason why she was in Alpha 3 was because of CvsS2. Tell me what you think.

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: BTW, what do you think of the presence of [[Shinkiro]]'s artwork in ''Street Fighter'' articles? I really like his art style, but I don't think it's suitable since he's mostly associated with [[SNK]] anyway (even though he's with Capcom now). [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 04:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

== "Mega Drive" based on region published ==

::Yeah you might ultimately have a point there about Carlos in the long run. Guess there it bugs me Maki only gets a page solely because of her token appearance in CvS2 and SFA3 MAX which really amounted to squat. Kyle, the only problem I have is he's stuck with the fate of being the protag of the game, but still he really doesn't *do* anything outside of the plot like you said, and it's doubtable we'll be seeing him again. Andore and Hugo...you might have a problem there. The Andore bit in the list covers all family members, and at least one of them is still hanging around Metro City as shown in streetwise (what Hugo's article never really explains is while he's obviously of the Andore family, he may not actually be one of the family members you fight. He sure as heck doesn't act like Andore Jr. in FFR). So I'd still say give the Andore's their own full article covering all the family members save for Hugo in one fell swoop and just add a "see also" regarding Hugo's relation.

As mentioned prior, and because I don't want to get over the [[WP:3RR|three revert rule]] on this, the name that is inserted into the infobox and generally the text comes down to the kind of English, British, American, Australian or other cases, which is again defined by the region of the developer. [[3D Realms]], in this case, is and was based in the [[United States]], wherefore it comes to [[American English]] and with that also to "Sega Genesis" rather than "Sega Mega Drive". That it was exclusive to Brazil for about two decades takes no influence on the name. Again, in order to not break the three revert rule, please roll back the edit yourself. Cheers, [[User:Lordtobi|<span style="font-family: Impact;">Lordtobi</span>]] ([[User talk:Lordtobi|<span style="color: #B0B0B0;">&#9993;</span>]]) 18:16, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

::I agree though, Shinkiro's artwork doesn't belong in these articles. He really doesn't make the characters look like their capcom artworks, and has some obsession with making faces even female resemble George Clooney. They should be swapped out for more suitable images.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 05:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

:Did 3D Realms actually developed the MD/GEN version in-house? I always got the impression it was outsourced. At any rate, the game was only sold and made specifically for the Brazilian market, so I feel it should be referred as a Mega Drive game and not a Genesis game, considering only the Brazilian version was officially licensed by Sega, whereas the "worldwide" release was unlicensed and made a few decades after the fact. Even the game's internal code (having access to the ROM file myself) only makes reference to the Mega Drive. It's the same reason why we call ''[[Star Tropics]]'' an NES game and not a Famicom one, even though it was Japanese developed. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 16:36, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

::All versions of Duke3D were technically developed by 3D Realms, merely ported by others. According to [http://www.mobygames.com/game/genesis/duke-nukem-3d_/credits the credits], it was apparently ported by Tec Toy, but since it was not a different version, thus not an original development as considered by that exact guideline, we will have to go by that it was developed in the US {{small|and just ported in Brazil}}. Take, for example, ''[[Bram Stoker's Dracula (video game)|Bram Stoker's Dracula]]'', which had a bunch of different platform-specific versions developed. Due to technical limitations at the time, there was no or limited porting, and therefore the infobox {{para|developer}} field does not look that well, but is entierly correct. The reason ''StarTropics'' does not use Famicom is [should be] based off concensus as "Japanese English" does not exist, and article editors would have to discuss and decide wether to use NES or Famicom. I'm not sure if there is a specific guideline on that, as I am not editing Japanese games often, so looks around in the infobox guidelines or on the [[WT:VG]] talk pages. ''StarTropics'' does, however, seem to not have that much of a cleaned-up infobox either, as it gives us dates for the Virtual Consoles releases, which are prohibited by the "emulated" guideline of the same page. [[User:Lordtobi|<span style="font-family: Impact;">Lordtobi</span>]] ([[User talk:Lordtobi|<span style="color: #B0B0B0;">&#9993;</span>]]) 16:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

:You're arguing semantics regarding over who developed the Mega Drive version of ''Duke Nukem 3D''. At any rate, 3D Realms doesn't seem to have any direct involvement with the development of MD version besides licensing the rights to TecToy to produce it. Regardless of the actual developer (original or conversion-wise), my point is that it was a Brazil-exclusive for many years and the recent worldwide Genesis version is pretty much a glorified repro (it still has the TecToy branding in the code if I'm not mistaken). I feel it really should be identified as a Mega Drive game, since that was how the Genesis was called in Brazil, or at least a Mega Drive/Genesis game, but I digress. I'll just leave the article as it is until further notice. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 05:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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== Japanese box arts of ''Dragon Quest'' Famicom series ==

:It's not so much Shinkiro's style itself that bothers me. Shinkiro is one of my favorite video game artists as a matter of fact. It's just that his style is identified as "SNK Groove" in the game than "Capcom Groove" and I much rather use official art from the Street Fighter games to represent Street Fighter characters anyway.

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This [[:File:Famicom Dragon Quest packaging (front).jpg|Japanese front cover]] is no longer worth including since the Japanese ''Dragon Quest IV'' front cover is deleted. Shall I remove it from the article and then request speedy deletion? --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 04:31, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Also, what about [[:File:Famicom Dragon Quest II packaging (front).jpg]] and [[:File:Famicom Dragon Quest III packaging (front).jpg]]? --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 04:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

:Anyway, I don't see any point of giving Andores and Hugo seperate articles. Again there's not much you can say about the Andores as whole other than they're just basically palette-swap of the same guy. Likewise, there's not much you can say about Hugo by himself, other than he's based on a ''Final Fight'' character. But together, you have one concise article.

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:: Pinging [[User:Explicit|Explicit]] about the FFD results on the DQ4 Japanese box art. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 10:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

:: Also, the images are [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 June 12#Front covers of first three Dragon Quest/Dragon Warrior games|put at FFD]]. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 11:04, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

The [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 June 13#Box arts of Dragon Quest V|box arts of ''Dragon Quest V'']] are under discussion at FFD. So is the [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 June 13#File:SnatcherPCEbox.jpg|PC Engine re-release]] of [[Snatcher]]. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 07:48, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

::Yeah, just read Tiamat's guide a bit closer about the Hugo Andore, so I think I'll agree with you that the Andores should be merged with that article. Given Hugo's the prominent one of the bunch, it'd be better to just make his family a subsection like Rolento's troops should be a subsection of his article. I'll also add I have an unholy hatred for Streetwise at this point. Maki, well, the article might be able to be expanded somewhat with the right work, I really think one should hold off on merging it looking at it closer. With that resolved, I'm still going to disagree with merging the Poison article. Are we at least in agreement there that one gets to stay? Also, what about the suggested Belger solo article? Does it sound like a good idea to you?--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 08:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

:::Okay, how's it In-Universe now?--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 04:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Jonny, shall we revisit the DQ/DW issue? I see your passion to have the Famicom cover arts included, but I don't know how you communicate with others. I'll try to contact the administrator who deleted those images on your behalf... Otherwise, you can contact that person yourself? [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 19:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

::::Because it spends too much time reiterating the character's entire backstory along with the plot of the game with little or no mention of her role as a character in the game and covers the games in chronological order, as opposed to an actual real-world order (SF3 came first, not FF Revenge). Just mentioning each games' title as a lead in a paragraph isn't enough. If you want to see some example articles on how to write a good out-of-universe article, see [[Sonic the Hedgehog (character)|Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Solid Snake]][[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 05:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

:Sure, but the last time I tried to argue for using the JP cover artwork on the Dragon Quest 1-4 articles on WP:VG didn't go very well. To be honest, I don't think the other editors would've cared that much about the changed cover artwork or even noticed the change if a certain "1337 gamer" didn't act so pedantic over guidelines and kept reverting my changes, forcing me to bring the topic to them in the first place. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 08:32, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

:::::Here's a better idea: how about instead of slapping in-universe, cleanup or whatever else your heart desires, and instead lending a hand in actually tidying up what you might see as problematic a lot more. You want it fixed, lend a hand. Heck, I have NO CLUE what else to remove from the Street Fighter 2010 article without reducing it to a stub: there isn't squat for it with your ideals, and at this point I've practically rewritten the whole thing (hell, when I first found it it still said Kevin was Ken). Removing last names from articles just because you don't deem them as common is not lending a hand with anything, nor is it correct: if you want uniformity like that, hit EVERY movie character that has never had their last name stated on film, every other video game character that has not had a full name stated, and go from there. I tried collaborating with you, you didn't respond, I went ahead with what I thought was the best recourse and some of the things you suggested. Now as a result you gripe for example about the Streetwise article being too long. You might as well reduce every article here on a character's gameplay with footnotes on how they were in the story because quite basically that seems to be the only direction all this is heading and I'm getting more than a little tired of playing rewrite-it-and-wait-to-see-if-the-guy-agrees with you.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 05:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

:: Do you want to talk to the administrator, {{noping|Explicit}}, who deleted the images per FFD? Or shall I? [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 11:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

::::I appologize for the blowup...I've been trying to get that article to at least be somewhat concrete for a bit now and it's just exhausting to have to guess around a lot. I see what needs to be done to rewrite the Poison and Belger articles, but you might be on your own about some of the others: either be more direct and help clean up what bothers you or the tags are meaningless. Oh, and I am adamant about those names. See my reasoning on the Ken Masters discussion page Please.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 05:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

::: If you can convince Explicit that would be great, because I really have no idea what to write to him other than it makes no sense to use one title for the page and another title for packaging art on the infobox. On a related note, I think the DQ7 cover artwork might also need replacing [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 07:23, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Actually, the results would be the same. [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 117#Packaging art on Dragon Quest-related articles|The previous discussion]] proves that the result would be the same. The consensus would stick to covers that are meant for English-speaking countries. I did request a relisting at Explicit's page, but then I rescinded the request. You can campaign a rule change if you want. We have been discussing multiple versions of the video game at the [[WT:WPVG#What cover and screenshots to use when multiple versions of a game exist]], especially Japan-only original version and localized rereleases. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 19:41, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

:You're right. You need to settle down there. No need to get all personal in here. Many of these video game characters have enough backstory to maintain stand-alone articles. But Wikipedia's standards states that backstory/plot summaries should be kept to a minimum and that fictional characters should be viewed from a real world perspective. Anyway, let's clear up each topic point by point.

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*About full names as article's titles - It wasn't my idea, but rather enforced by another user. There's a discussion going on about it in the series' talk page. But from my understanding, common names are preferred. To use a real person's example, [[Madonna (entertainer)|Madonna]]'s real name is Madonna Ciccone. But the article's name is Madonna, not Madonna Ciccone. The Final Fantasy characters often have their full names promoted in merchandises and instruction manuals (and even in the end credits). There doesn't seem to be a standarized naming convetion for video games.

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*About the ''[[Street Fighter 2010]]'' article. It's not so much what needs to be removed, but rather what needs to be added as well. It centers too much around the plot of the game and doesn't even include a gameplay section. Not to much the article seems to center primarily around the Japanese version of the game, rather than the English localization. Regardless of which version is the "true" one, chances are that an English speaking gamer is gonna play the version of the game where the character is named "Ken" and not "Kevin".

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*The ''Final Fight'' articles really need a good cleanup, each of them. For example, not every character needs its own sub-section. Just make an extensive sub-section listing everyone and if you can't do that, spin-off a separate game-specific character lists. A good example would be [[List of Metal Gear Solid characters]].

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There's more, but I'll discuss them in their individual talk pages for the future. Right now, I'm cleaning up the ''Resident Evil'' characters articles. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 06:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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Okay, sorry to bug you again, but I *think* I've got the Poison article down now...and oddly enough it actually made it larger because I forgot to add some things o.O' This ultimately is everything that can possibly be said about the character that is factual though.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 07:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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== Satoshi Tajiri / Tsunekazu Ishihara ==

:It's a good start. It still needs a bit of improvement/cleaning up, but otherwise it's a bit more informative than the previous version of the article. You might want to suggest a peer review for the article and see what others have to say.[[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 08:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

::Already requested. I probably wait and see where this one goes from here before I bother with the other articles. Mind if the in-universe tag gets removed now or want to keep it there?--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 08:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that the image I placed in the [[Satoshi Tajiri]] article was not, in fact, of Tajiri. A search on Google Images brings up photos of Ishihara when searching "satoshi tajiri", and the image file in question is misleadingly titled "File:Satoshi-tajiri.jpg". I apologise for the mistake. I've made a request on Wikimedia Commons that the name be changed. Cheers! –'''''[[User:MatthewHoobin|<span style="color:#0640e0; text-shadow:#66ff66 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Matthew</span>]]''''' - <span style="font-size:80%">([[User_talk:MatthewHoobin|talk]])</span> 01:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

:::Do so if you wish. It's no longer too in-universe at least. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 08:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

::::A minor thing that's been bugging me about these articles for a bit. Can you dig up any citations for the following or at least state points where they're mentioned so I can whip one up?

*Just where in Mighty Final Fight it states Poison Kiss is Poison's sister

*Where "Horace" is mentioned for Belger in Streetwise

*Where Black is mentioned to be "Marshal Black"

I'm guessing you were the one to add the last two to the List of FF chars, problem is for these 3 bits I can't find anything online or in what I have that states that stuff (at least that I can see in what I have...too much stuff x.X') Anyway, not needing an immediate reply, just gimme a shout when you get the time.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 18:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

*It seems to be a mistake that was propagated by English-language websites since they have a bad habit of not fact-checking their sources (mostly due to language barrier), so they end up spreading misinformation as a result. At any rate, googling the Satoshi Tajiri's proper Japanese name (田尻 智) will end up showing the actual person in most of the image results. I'm thinking of using this [https://www.facebook.com/gamefreak.official/posts/859843447475652 recent photograph] from the official Game Freak facebook that was posted last February for the article, but I'm not sure in what fair-use rationale it fits in. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 01:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

::I'm not sure about that either, but you could probably get an answer [[Wikipedia talk:Image use policy|here]]. I'd enjoy doing it myself, but you should have the credit for uploading an accurate image. –'''''[[User:MatthewHoobin|<span style="color:#0640e0; text-shadow:#66ff66 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Matthew</span>]]''''' - <span style="font-size:80%">([[User_talk:MatthewHoobin|talk]])</span> 22:21, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

*According to [http://www.geocities.co.jp/AnimeComic-Ink/8883/StreetFighter/Top.html Street Fighter Retsuden] and the [http://www.geocities.jp/redcyclone0601/ Red Cyclone] (both well-known Japanese fan-sites), they state that Poison Kiss from Mighty Final Fight is not the same character as Poison. I'm guessing their sources must be the Japanese instruction manuals for the game. The characters from Mighty all had completely different names from their adult counterparts too (i.e: Gale instead of Bred, Tequila of El Gado, ect.). While I don't like to rely on secondary sources like Tiamat's FAQ or fansites, it's better than nothing I presumed.

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*I had no friggin idea where Belger's full name (I haven't gotten around to playing Streetwise yet) and Black's rank came from . They were added by someone else. For that matter, I don't even know where the Morgan from Lucia Morgan came from. At the very least I do know Rolento's full name from the Zero 2 Secret File and Maki has been referred as Genryusai Maki in a strategy guide, but those full names never been mentioned elsewhere.[[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 20:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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::The vs series (marvel vs and capcom/snk vs) are not considered canon, so that's why it was out of order in terms of the article (it was under Non-Canon Appearances, which is true). Your original draft lacked quite a bit of info, namely her storyline in SFA3 MAX (while Double Upper is indeed made by Crawfish, the appearance in MAX is by capcom and canon, much like Ingrid and whatnot despite how little it makes sense...), design change bits were left out between games, and other things which would have made the article to someone 'not in the know' very confusing and possibly uninformative. I *do* agree however that I wrote some sections too in-universe and plan to rewrite those bit and add the gameplay section, so I added an in-universe tag to the article. I really don't plan to leave that as is that's for certain.

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::The Dean and Lucia articles are going to be merged with the original FF3 page though, as will Carlos's for FF2: I've dug pretty deep and all I've managed to find was scraps, so those two will be kaput. Just explaining where I'm going with the Maki article so it actually has some purpose on Wikipedia.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 04:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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:::Canon schamon. You're putting a bit too much priority on her fictional storyline and other bits of trivia and not enough on her role as a video game character. True, she does have a storyline in Alpha 3 MAX, but that's besides the point. Without the existance [[Capcom vs. SNK 2]], she wouldn't had been in the portable versions of Alpha 3 in the first place and I think the article should reflect on this fact, rather than marginalizing her appearance in that game because of its canonity.

::::Good point, but there are ways to express that her CvS2 appearance led to the one in SFA3 MAX without just completely disregarding that part. I'll try and add something to that in a short bit here to reflect that.

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:::Besides, keeping track of Street Fighter canon seems to be a futile attempt anyway. The games only follow a loose continuity according Capcom, which why there seems to be some many "retcons". Most of them are not genuine retcons, but merely inconsistencies between games (i.e: the whole Rolento being in Mad Gear thing in FFight2).

::::Capcom has too many cooks over one pot. SFA2 was made by one bunch, FF2 another. Still with retcons there's a simple rule: whatever game that's part of the actual storyline that came next can override stuff from the first. This is how Charlie doesn't actually get killed until SFA3, or similar events: one just precedes over the other. The canon is the official storyline for this stuff, and if friggin MK folks can maintain it (holy COW are there a lot of retcons there), so can we.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 05:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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:::This is why these should follow a real world order than an in-universe order.[[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 04:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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GAH! Don't even bring up the Mortal Kombat articles. Those are examples of the kind of articles we should '''avoid''', rather than follow. Most of it are a convoluted inuniverse mess and doesn't even cover the real world tangentially. Look at [[Johnny Cage]] and [[Noob Saibot]]. Does it mention anywhere that the only reason for Johnny Cage's omission in MK3 was due to the firing of the actor who played him? Does it mention that Noob Saibot was originally conceived as a separate character before being revealed to be the Older Sub-Zero?

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Now look at [[Solid Snake]]. It provides a conprehensive real world perspective, covering the progress of the character with only small bits of plot summaries, including [[Snake's Revenge]]. Notice than even though Snake's Revenge is not a canonical game, it's in the main body of the article because its existence led to the creation of Metal Gear 2. That's the kind of idea I want to convey in the Maki article. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 05:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

:Haha, I was joking, relax. Hm though...putting Capcom Vs SNK 2's appearance up above SFA3 would make some sense given it does factor in like you say. (Usually non-canon appearances like that one manga amount to a hill of beans in the long run, but this one make sense). Alright, I'll rewrite that.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 05:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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**Isn't the interview I provided in the external links section enough? That's an officially published news source where they discuss his work. If the [[Hal Warren|fertilizer salesman]] who made ''[[Manos: The Hands of Fate]]'' gets his own Wikipedia article, then I think that someone who made two of Capcom's popular game franchise deserves one too. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 16:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

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== Please eliminate the bullet points in the Konami article ==

== Oy ==

Look, I understand that the article looks unreadable to you, but you have to get rid of the bullet points. They are not the format for articles. Either you find a way to turn then into paragraph, or I'll deal with the edit myself. [[User:Iftekharahmed96|Iftekharahmed96]] ([[User talk:Iftekharahmed96|talk]]) 09:23, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Since you decided I apparently didn't know what I was doing and moved the Firebrand article back, guess I should fill you in. Red Arremer seems to actually be the exact race of the little buggers. Firebrand as far as I can tell was just the name of one of the critters, and I planned to rewrite the article to reflect it was about that one, and make the info about Red Arremer's secondary much like some of the Darkstalkers char pages contain info on their races (though by god does all of that need a rewrite). Also, wikipedia uses the US names for such things as far as I've been informed, and the only case where the exact character wasn't reffered to as Firebrand in a US game was SvC: Chaos, and that game wasn't even by Capcom which really makes it a little iffy to count towards this.

The point of writing an article in prose is so that you don't list every minute detail of a subject, but instead summarize the most interesting or relevant bits of information. But you didn't actually do that, you instead removed the bullet points, but the information is still organized in a list format (i.e. "January 1986 - This happened.", "February 21, 1987 - This subsidiary of the company named in '''bold font''' was established."), only now it's all thrown in into a bunch of long paragraphs. You're supposed to rewrite the information so that the transition from one piece of data to the next feels a lot more natural and understandable (e.g. "During the 1980's, Konami started publishing video game software for the MSX and NES platforms. Then in the 1990's they made games for the Super NES, PC Engine and Genesis").

Just explaining this so I can make sure you're fine with what I had planned before I move ahead with it. Oh, and sorry about the Namco/Temco thing regarding the image...it was in the wee hours of the morning, and my mind was shot: I honestly did mean to put Temco :P--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 03:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to remove the bullet-points from the article, but you're free to change it back to your liking if you want to (I'm not going to revert your changes again, since you seem to feel strongly enough about it to come to my talk page and ask me to change it for you on the subject line). At any rate, if you're not going to rewrite the text like you said you would, I might do it myself sometime during the week, if not tonight. Let me know what you think. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 20:21, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

:Uh no. First of all, as you already know, the name Firebrand was only used in the English localizations of the ''Gargoyle's Quest'' games and the translation refers to him as a "gargoyle" (for censorship reasons) rather than a "Red Arremer". The idea that Firebrand being a specifically named Red Arremer is just [[fanwankery]], which has no room here.

:I completely understand your argument, and it's a valid one. It is clearer in bullet points, however, that's just not the ideal format for Wikipedia. Konami is a well known Japanese video game developer and publisher, and having it all in bullet point is really awkward compared to articles like [[Sega]], [[Square Enix]], [[Capcom]] and [[Bandai Namco]]. I'll leave you to reformatting in paragraphs, the sooner it's accomplished, the better. [[User:Iftekharahmed96|Iftekharahmed96]] ([[User talk:Iftekharahmed96|talk]]) 11:24, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

:The credits of ''Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts'' refers to him by Red Arremer [http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/snes/b/supg.htm], as does ''Capcom Classics Collection'' and ''SVC Chaos'' as you said (although I do remember that prototype versions of the game used the Firebrand name). They only changed his name for the ''Gargoyle's Quest'' games. In the case of an inconsistency, the more common or popular name is preferred and ''Gargoyle's Quest'' games are only tangential to the ''Ghost 'n Goblins'' series. It's the same reason why we have an article named [[Sodom (Street Fighter)|Sodom]] instead of "Katana (Street Fighter)". [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 04:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

:: Fair enough. At any rate, most of the information on the history section seems to had been copied verbatim from an old version of the company's official corporate history page([https://web.archive.org/web/20110518073605/http://www.konami.co.jp/en/corporate/history/index.html specifically this one]), since a lot of the items listed aren't present in the current version. A serious rewrite is in order. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 20:33, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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::First off the Sodom change was one done by Capcom down the line themselves. You're overlooking the fact we still use M. Bison for the dictator, Balrog for the Boxer, and Vega for the assassin, instead of the japanese naming convention. The name as of yet has not been retconned to Red Arremer, and I could easily cite the fact that he retained the name for three games while there were still little beasties in the GnG games called Red Arremers in the credits. If it isn't a name, wouldn't they have just called them all Firebrand in those games instead? I'm going with the flat out logic here and saying that isn't an incosistency despite your point of view. There isn't anything stating otherwise (though if Capcom re-releases these games in one of their collections with the name as Red Arrermer, I will personally fix it and eat my humble pie in peace, but as it stands we have to go with what we know for fact atm :\)--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 04:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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:::Actually, the Sodom change was because Nintendo enforced the removal of any biblical references (not to mention the name Sodom is closely tied to sodomy), but that's besides the point.

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:::He kept his original name in the ''Ghost 'n Goblins'' series (up until ''Ultimate'' anyway), but was changed to Firebrand in the English localization of a spinoff trilogy that's barely half as revelant as his original appearance. As far as Capcom is concerned, he was an enemy character in ''Ghosts 'n Goblins'' first and the protagonist of ''Gargoyle's Quest'' second. If he got his name changed to Firebrand in the Ghosts 'n Goblins games, then you would've a case. But as it stands, that isn't the case at all. Since Red Arremer is his more common name, then the article's name should reflect that. To cite another example, it's the reason why we have [[Princess Peach]] as the article's primary name instead of [[Princess Toadstool]].

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:::The English localization of ''Gargoyle's Quest'' doesn't negate the possibility of Firebrand being a specifically named "Red Arremer" like you said, but it DOESN'T support it either. You're just basically putting original research/fanwankery into the article by saying that "Firebrand is a specifically named Red Arremer".

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:::And for the record, STOP referring to every piece of name change or inconsistency as a "retcon". There is a big difference between the two.[[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 05:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

::::I actually meant Capcom called him Sodom in the SFA games, putting an end to the Katana stuff. And might I point out that name changes tend to occur frequently in some games (ExDeath -> X-Death -> Exdeath) and wikipedia adapted for each name. WHen information about something changes, that's a retcon, though it's best to make sure it's mentioned in more than one spot frequently enough (which is why Red Devil isn't sticking) or comes straight from the horse's mouth. The thing that gets me though is that he had that name for ''three whole games'' but I'm fairly certain the character was called Red Arremer in the SNES port of Ghouls 'n Ghosts, something which I will have to check. But I'm pretty certain Red Arremer is the name of the race itself (explaining the ranks like Ace while we're at it) and that the R.A. in the Gargoyle's quest games is one particular one.

::::Either way, I'm going to do some more research on this...you're right that there isn't enough to support it either way, so I'll be as certain as possible pretty much.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 05:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Minor thing btw: your example with Peach kinda tanks out for this one here, because Peach is now the official US name, not Toadstool any longer. No such instance exists here.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 05:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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:::::True, Red Arremer is the name of a fictional race of demons in the GnG games, but it is also the name of the individual character in the Japanese versions of the Gargoyle's Quest games. It's the same reason why there's a bunch of Yoshis in the Mario games and then one specific Yoshi who is close friends with Mario. Like you said, they did renamed the character "Firebrand" in the English Gargoyle's Quest, but not once did they referred to him as "Firebrand, the Red Arremer" in the games.

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:::::A retcon is NOT a name change by the way. A retcon is an intentional change in a previously published story often done to FIX an inconsistency. Inconsistent name changes between translations are not deliberate and often the result of the translator of one version being unaware of a previously existing translation or simply because they preferred one way to transliterate a name over another (it's the reason why Ryu Hayabusa's father from [[Ninja Gaiden]] is referred as Joe in the Xbox Ninja Gaiden and why they called Ryu's lover Aileen instead of Irene in the Dead or Alive backstory). I'm pretty sure whoever localized the ending credits of ''Super GnG'' overlooked the fact they changed Red Arremer's name to Firebrand in Gargoyle's Quest (because they did change Samael's name to Sardius, so it's not as if everyone kept their original name either).[[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 16:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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::::::True, true, which is why keeping track of all this is a pain.

::::::Although, I did find something interesting in [http://www.world-of-nintendo.com/manuals/super_nes/demons_crest.shtml this transcript of the Demon's Crest manual]. It has the character's name Firebrand, but he is referred to as "the Red Demon" (note the capitals and ''the'') on page 7 of the manual, and in many cases in the manual's text is "red demon", which wouldn't bug me except they called the Arremers "Red Devils" in Ultimate GnG, which would be a change to coincide with this a bit. I'm going to dig a bit deeper, but this does give the point a bit more standing I'd hope.

::::::Sorry too if I'm being a pain in the ass about this stuff, I just would prefer the record be straight for good and all that good jazz rather than having folks be misinformed one way or another.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 13:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::Well here's this too: the [http://www.world-of-nintendo.com/manuals/game_boy/gargoyles_quest.shtml Gargoyle's Quest manual transcript], which says "Red Gargoyle" in it with the appropriate capitals, though [http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/manuals/gargoyl2.txt the manual for GQII] is kinda useless in that regard save for saying he's a gargoyle named Firebrand. Still, this should be enough proof here that it's a actual name, right?--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 13:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Just a nudge as I'm still waiting for your response on this stuff before I move forward with anything.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] 16:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

== Fist of the Blue Sky: Separate pages for Characters, Manga and Episodes ==

Are you willing and/or able to create separate pages for Characters, Manga list and Episodes List? I propose to provide episode summaries ([[User:Ozflashman/sandbox#Fist_of_the_Blue_Sky|in Sandbox]] and ready to be posted) which will make the page unreasonably long.[[User:Ozflashman|Ozflashman]] ([[User talk:Ozflashman|talk]]) 03:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

::::::::I still say leave it as Red Arremer. Those evidences are not sufficient enough. If you still want to argue about it, just take it to [[WP:RM]]. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 16:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:Sorry for the late reply. I haven't been keeping up with the happenings surrounding the new ''Souten no Ken'', so I don't know what happens beyond the original Bunch manga. If I'm not mistaken, the anime version of ''Regenesis'' deviates quite a bit from the manga. Anyway, you're free to split the article yourself if you think it's necessary. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 03:51, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

:I haven't split an article before and feel a bit unsure about it. Could you do it or point me to some instructions? [[User:Ozflashman|Ozflashman]] ([[User talk:Ozflashman|talk]]) 12:57, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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::Except for the fact that it's '''NOT INCORRECT'''. Ansatsuken IS NOT a proper martial name. It's a generic term referring any martial arts made for killing. Event the [[ansatsuken]] article mentions. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 05:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

:::The statistics section should list what Capcom has for the martial art, not [[WP:OR|fan's interpretations of what they say]]. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 06:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

::::And what's YOUR source that Ansatsuken is the officially recognized name of the martial arts style used by Akuma? If anything, YOU'RE the one adding fancruft. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 06:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::As you said yourself, "Ansatsuken" is a general term for martial arts designed to kill. As it is perfectly generic, it's appropriate to list; I'm not claiming Ansatsuken is a particular style. "Assassination arts taught by Goutetsu", on the other hand, isn't listed anywhere and is fancruft. The only valid compromise here would be leaving the fighting style off entirely, which is seemingly the way things are leading due to the ridiculous arguments against using Tiamat's well-done documentation. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 01:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::My main problem is that simply listing "Ansatsuken" is completely misleading, since it's more of a categorization than a specific style. Gen's style is also an Ansatsuken (Soryu and Kiryu), but it's not the same Ansatsuken as Akuma's style.</br>Either way, the article is in need of a complete rewrite (i.e: covering the character from an OOU perspective) instead of arguing whether it's Ansatsuken or Goutetsu-style Ansatsuken. Tiamat's guide might be well documented and covered, but it's not a completely reliable source as far as [[WP:V]] is concerned and we don't need a plot guide for every character. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 02:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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== Big Boss' naming section ==

Isn't that section a bit unnecessary? I mean, in a previous section we have Kojima pointing out about how Naked Snake decided to use the title of Big Boss until Peace Walker (though it was retconned in Ground Zeroes as he is once again called Snake). It might be better if those section happened to related more with real world information instead like the reason why Solid Snake's is named David and his Pliskin alias or almost most Raiden's names. Cheers.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 14:33, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

:That's exactly my intention. I'm under the impression most people misunderstand the reason why Big Boss was still called Snake in ''Peace Walker'' and ''Ground Zeroes''. He is basically treated more like a different incarnation of Snake rather than being a character by his own right, hence why most of the promotional material and the games themselves just labels him "Snake".(such as when Big Boss is introduced in ''Ground Zeroes'', where they introduce him as "Snake: The hero once known as Big Boss" or something to that effect). Even within ''The Phantom Pain'', with its body double/self-insert twist, they make very little attempt to distinguish the two incarnations of the characters, with the leaked script for the game often referring to the original Big Boss as "the real Snake." [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 00:16, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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==Sharp Nintendo Television==

Hi Jonny2x4, I just noticed {{Diff2|920194264|this edit}} that you'd made and I had a question about it. Are you certain that the term "game television" is a licensed product name and that it isn't just a descriptive term? I ask because the term sounds so generic that I would be very surprised if it could support a trademark.

If we wanted to include this expression, my gut instinct would be to change the article from this:

*The Sharp Nintendo Television (often described as [...]) is a television produced by Sharp Corporation.

to

*"The Sharp Nintendo Television (often described as [...]) is a <u>game</u> television produced by Sharp Corporation."

Would that be a good idea? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:23, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

:The "Sharp Nintendo Television" is just a nickname, since the actual product doesn't have any Nintendo-branding despite being an officially-licensed product. The service manual simply calls it the [https://console5.com/wiki/File:Sharp_Service_Manual_-_Game_Television_-_Model_19SV111.pdf Game Television] and the [https://i.imgur.com/ijWbwCv.jpg bundle controllers] have "Game Television" marking instead of the actual Nintnedo logo, despite being otherwise identical to the standard NES-004 controllers ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoTSTfGmILE&feature=youtu.be&t=84 they even have the same parts number]). Even the actual television just says "Game Television" on the [https://www.neoteo.com/sharp-nintendo-television/ front]. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 16:52, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

::Ah OK, I think I see. Thanks for the links. Do you know if there are any secondary RSes that use that term or is it only seen in the primary sources? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:39, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

:::If it's secondary sources you're looking for, there's this [https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/05/16/video-showcases-sharp-39-s-failed-nintendo-television.aspx Game Informer] article if that's enough for a reference. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] ([[User talk:Jonny2x4#top|talk]]) 01:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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