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On this page, the deletion or merging of '''[[Help:Template|templates]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Lua|modules]]''', with a few [[#What not to propose for discussion here|exceptions]], is discussed.
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This page is for deleting things in the [[Wikipedia:Template namespace|Template namespace]], which is used for reusable boilerplate messages and article series boxes. Deletion of these may be appropriate if the template:
 
==How to use this page==
* is not helpful or noteworthy;
===<span id="NOT"></span> What ''not'' to propose for discussion here===
* is redundant with [[Wikipedia:Categorization|categories]], [[Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists)|lists]], or other mechanisms;
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* or is simply unused.
The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the [[WP:Template namespace|template namespace]] and [[WP:Lua|module namespace]] should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:
 
; Stub templates
For guidelines on acceptable boilerplate messages, see [[Wikipedia:Template namespace]].<br />
: Stub templates and categories should be listed at [[WP:CFD|Categories for discussion]], as these templates are merely containers for their categories, ''unless'' the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
For guidelines on acceptable article series boxes, see [[Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes]].
; Userboxes
: Userboxes should be listed at [[WP:MFD|Miscellany for deletion]], regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
; Speedy deletion candidates
: If the template clearly satisfies a [[WP:CSD|criterion for speedy deletion]], tag it with a [[:Category:Speedy deletion templates|speedy deletion template]]. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{t|Db-author}}. See also [[WP:T5]].
; Policy or guideline templates
: Templates that are associated with particular [[WP:PAG|Wikipedia policies or guidelines]], such as the [[:Category:Speedy deletion templates|speedy deletion templates]], cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
; Template redirects
: List all redirects at [[WP:RFD|Redirects for discussion]].
; Moving and renaming a template
: Use [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|Requested moves]].
 
===<span class="anchor" id="REASONS"></span> Reasons to delete a template===
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# The template violates some part of the [[WP:TMP|template namespace guidelines]], and can't be altered to be in compliance.
# The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
# The template is not used, either directly or by [[WP:SUBST|template substitution]] (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), {{Strong|and has no likelihood of {{em|being}} used}}.
# The template violates a policy such as [[WP:NPOV|Neutral point of view]] or [[WP:CIVIL|Civility]] and it can't be fixed through normal editing.
 
Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, [[WP:WPT|WikiProject Templates]] may be able to help.
==Terms==
Templates are somewhat of a Wikibackwater and template editors employ certain unusual terms:
 
Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.
* A '''Template''' is a piece of reusable text in the "Template" namespace.
* A '''tfd''' is a template proposed for deletion, or the proposal for deletion itself. This is analagous to a '''vfd''' for an ordinary main namespace article.
* A '''blank''' template is one that contains no text; that is, Somebody has deleted its content. However, the template still exists; it is merely blank, or empty of content.
* TheTemplate (for example) is '''instanced''' or '''included in''' other templates or articles when, in their sources, the wiki markup '''<nowiki>{{TheTemplate}}</nowiki>''' appears. Conventional wikilinks of the form <nowiki>[[Template:TheTemplate]]</nowiki> are generally unused, but never constitute an instance of TheTemplate.
* An '''orphan''' is a template which is never instanced (outside of any debate about itself, or on its own Talk page).
* '''"Orphaning"''' is the process of removing all instances of a given template -- that is, its wiki markup is removed wherever it appears.
* '''Fully orphaned''' is a rhetorical intensifier of '''orphaned''', with no semantic value. Links to a template from ''this'' page or any Talk page are usually not removed during orphaning.
* A '''deleted''' template no longer exists. All references to it, including instances (as do references to any non-existent page), become redlinks. Note that only orphaned templates should ever be deleted.
 
==Process=Listing (stages)a template===
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{{Strong|To list a template for deletion or merging, follow the three-step process below.}} Do {{em|not}} include the "Template:" prefix in any of the steps.
 
If you have never nominated a template for deletion or used [[WP:Twinkle|Twinkle]] before, you might want to do it manually to avoid making mistakes. For more experienced editors, using Twinkle is recommended, as it automates some of these steps. (After navigating to the template you want to nominate, click its dropdown menu in the top right of the page: TW [[File:OOjs UI icon caretDown.svg|15px|link=]], and then select "XFD".)
Templates proposed for deletion go through a multistage process. This process is reflected in the following '''main''' sections on ''this'' page:
{| class="wikitable" style="clear: both;"
*Discussion
|- id="Step I"
*Holding cell
! scope="row" style="background-color: #ffff99;" | Step 1
*Deletions to log
Tag the template
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | '''Paste one of the following notices to the top of the template page:'''
* '''For deletion:''' {{Tlxs|Tfd}}
* For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{Tlxs|Tfd|2=type=sidebar}}
* For deletion of an inline template: {{Tlxs|Tfd|2=type=inline}} and don't add a newline after the notice.
* '''For merging:''' {{Tlxs|Tfm|{{var|{{Gray|name of other template}}}}}}
* For merging an inline template: {{Tlxs|Tfm|2=type=inline|3={{var|{{Gray|name of other template to be merged}}}}}} and don't add a newline after the notice.
* To delete a [[Help:Module|module]] or a different type of template, see {{section link|Template:Template for discussion#Display on articles}}
 
'''Note:'''
Each stage is explained under ''this'' section. Please don't list '''any''' templates under ''this'' section.
* If the template is [[Wikipedia:Page protection|protected]], request that the TfD notice be added on the template's talk page using the {{Tlx|editprotected}} template, to catch the attention of [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrators]] or [[Wikipedia:Template editors|template editors]].
* If the template is designed to be [[WP:SUBST|substituted]], add {{tag|noinclude}} around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template. Example: <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki><nowiki>{{subst:Tfd}}</nowiki><nowiki></noinclude></nowiki></code>
* Use an edit summary like<br /><code>Nominated for deletion/merging; see <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#</nowiki>Template:{{var|{{Gray|name of template}}}}<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code>
* Before saving your edit, preview the page to ensure the TfD notice is displayed properly.
 
<hr style="margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" />
===Discussion (stage)===
 
; Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "[[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 August 14#American films by decade|American films by decade templates]]"). Tag every template with {{Tlxs|Tfd|2=heading={{var|{{Gray|discussion title}}}}}} or {{Tlxs|Tfm|{{var|{{Gray|name of other template}}}}|3=heading={{var|{{Gray|discussion title}}}}}} instead of the versions given above, replacing <code>{{var|discussion title}}</code> with the title you chose (but still not changing the <code>PAGENAME</code> code).
Subsections are organized:
; Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, paste {{Tlx|Catfd|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}}} to the top of any categories that could be deleted as a result of the TfD, replacing <code>{{var|template name}}</code> with the name of the nominated template. (If you instead nominated multiple templates, use the meaningful title you chose earlier: {{Tlx|Catfd|2=header={{var|{{Gray|title of nomination}}}}}}.)
; TemplateStyles pages: If you are nominating [[WP:TemplateStyles|TemplateStyles]] pages, these templates won't work. Instead, paste this CSS comment to the top of the page:
:<code>/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: <nowiki>https://</nowiki>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{CURRENTYEAR}}_{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}_{{CURRENTDAY}}#Template:{{var|{{Gray|template_name}}}}.css */</code>
 
|- id="Step II"
*By date
! scope="row" style="background-color: #ffcc00;" | Step 2
**By template-proposed-for-deletion name
List the template
| style="padding: 0.75em;" | {{Clickable button|Edit today's TfD log|url={{fullurl:Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{CURRENTYEAR}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}|action=edit&section=1}}|class=mw-ui-progressive}} '''and paste the following text to the top of the list''':
 
* '''For deletion:''' {{Tlxs|Tfd2|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}|text{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|Why you think the template should be deleted.}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}
====<nowiki>{{tfd}}</nowiki> (substage)====
* '''For merging:''' {{Tlxs|Tfm2|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|other template's name}}}}|text{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|Why you think the templates should be merged.}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}
 
If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{tlx|Oldtfdlist|{{var|{{Gray|previous TfD without square brackets}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|result of previous TfD}}}}}} in the {{para|text}} field immediately before your rationale (or alternatively at the very end, after the last <code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>).
To propose that a template be deleted, insert the text <nowiki>{{tfd}}</nowiki> to the top of the template. This adds the following message:
 
Use an edit summary such as <code>Adding deletion/merger nomination of <nowiki>[[</nowiki>Template:{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code>.
{{tfd}}
 
<hr style="margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" />
The message should be placed inside the box when adding it to series box templates, to make clear what is being proposed for deletion.
 
; Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple templates, paste the following code instead. You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters <code>|</code>). Use the same meaningful title that you chose in Step 1.
'''Do not blank''' templates to list them here; but if the template is already blank, then don't add <nowiki>{{tfd}}</nowiki> to the already-blank template; add it to the blank template's Talk page instead.
:* Multiple templates for deletion: {{Tlxs|Tfd2|{{var|{{Gray|template name 1}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|template name 2 ...}}}}|title{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|meaningful title}}}}|text{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|Why you think the templates should be deleted.}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}
:* Multiple templates for merging: {{Tlxs|Tfm2|{{var|{{Gray|template name 1}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|template name 2 ...}}}}|with{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|main template (optional)}}}}|title{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|meaningful title}}}}|text{{=}}{{var|{{Gray|Why you think the templates should be merged.}}}} <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}
:** If there is a template you want the other templates to be merged into, you can optionally specify it using {{para|with}}.
; Related categories: If this template deletion proposal involves a category populated solely by templates, paste this code in the {{para|text}} field of the <code><nowiki>{{Tfd2}}</nowiki></code> template, before your rationale: {{Tlxs|Catfd2|{{var|{{Gray|category name}}}}}}
|- id="Step III"
! scope="row" style="background-color: orange" | Step 3
Notify users
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | Notify the creator of the template, the main contributors, and (if you're proposing a merger) the creator of the other template. (To find them, look in the [[Help:Page history|page history]] or [[Help:Talk page|talk page]] of the template.) To do this, paste one of the following in their user talk pages:
 
* '''For deletion:''' {{Tlxs|Tfd notice|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}}} <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>
Templates should not be orphaned prior to listing.
* '''For merging:''' {{Tlxs|Tfm notice|{{var|{{Gray|template name}}}}|{{var|{{Gray|other template's name}}}}}} <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>
* '''Multiple templates:''' There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination. In these cases, write a personal message.
 
If you see any [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Directory|WikiProjects]] banners ([[Template:WikiProject banner shell/testcases#Template|they look like this]]) at the top of the template's talk page, you can let them know about the discussion. Most WikiProjects are subscribed to [[Wikipedia:Article alerts|Article alerts]], which means they are automatically notified. If you think they have not been notified, you can paste the same message in the projects' talk pages, or use [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Compact|Deletion sorting lists]]. Note that Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects.
====New listing (substage)====
|}
 
Consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination notice is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.
Templates newly proposed for deletion should be put under [[#{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}|today's date]] at the '''''bottom of the "Discussion" section'''''.
 
=== After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors ===
A suggested format for new listings is available with the template [[Template:New TFD]]. This will insert a new subsection with predefined areas for discussion and voting on the proposed deletion. ''Usage:''
While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD, nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with [[WP:CANVASS|Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing]].
 
To encourage participation by less experienced editors, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|criterion]] that it meets.
<nowiki>{{subst:New TFD|TemplateProposedForDeletion|InitialComment}}</nowiki>
 
* '''Notifying related WikiProjects:''' [[WP:WikiProject|WikiProjects]] are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tls|Tfd notice}} for this. Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's ''[[WP:AALERTS|Article Alerts]]'' automatically, if they are [[Wikipedia:Article_alerts/Subscription_list|subscribed to the system]]. For instance, tagging a template with {{tl|WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts]].
====Discussion and vote (substage)====
* '''Notifying main contributors:''' While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the creator and any main contributors of the template and its talk page that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the [[Help:Page history|page history]] or [[Help:Talk page|talk page]].
 
At this point, no further action is necessary on your part. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone other than you will either close the discussion or, if needed, "[[WP:RELIST|relist]]" it for another seven days of discussion. If the nomination is successful, it will be moved to the [[WP:TFDH|Holding Cell]] until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.
The following votes are permissible; add under the appropriate section: '''"Keep"''', '''"Delete"''', or '''"Other"'''.
 
*'''Keep'''.
 
*'''Delete'''.
 
*If you are not voting "Delete" or "Keep", add your comment under the template's '''"Other"''' subsection. '''"Convert to category"''' is an example of another vote. A template for which consensus prevails to "Convert to category" will be deleted and all pages which reference the template will be added to an appropriately-named category.
 
*If you comment at all, please ''give a reason'' how the template under consideration either does or does not meet Wikipedia standards, as referenced at the top of ''this'' page. Comments such as "I like it," or "I find it useful," while potentially true, generally do not fulfill this requirement.
 
====Outcome (substage)====
 
'''Seven days''' after a template has been listed on ''this'' page, an outcome of the discussion-and-vote stage may have been reached.
 
*If a consensus has been reached in favor of deletion, the template is eligible for deletion. Also, if the proposal has been made without objection, the template is eligible for deletion. '''''Action: Remove to "To orphan".'''''
 
*If a consensus has been reached that the template be kept, the process is ''over''. There is much of this sort of work to be done in the depths of the Wikimachinery; let's expend our efforts wisely. '''''Action: Remove'''''
 
*If a consensus has been reached in favor of "conversion to a category", the template will be deleted and all pages which reference the template will be added to an appropriately-named category. '''''Action: Remove to "convert to category".'''''
 
*It is also possible that no concensus has been reached. '''''Action: Remove the template from ''this'' page entirely. Copy the entire discussion to the template's Talk page.''''' ("Disputed" subsection deprecated.) Absent concensus, the disputed template is kept.
 
In any case, template subsections are removed from the Discussions section, by date, when they are '''7 days''' old.
 
===Holding cell (stage)===
 
Depending on the outcome of the discussion and voting period, templates are removed from Discussions to an appropriate subsection of the Holding cell. Once here, specific maintenance tasks must be performed. Unless otherwise noted, any member can do this necessary work.
 
*'''To orphan:''' Templates in this section must be orphaned. This entails examination of the "What links here" page for the template, visiting each listed page, and editing it to remove the soon-to-be-deleted template. When this is complete, the template should be moved to "Ready to delete".
 
*'''To convert to category:''' The content of such templates must be "poured out" into a [[Wikipedia:Category|category]] and all pages which reference it altered. This requires an understanding of both templates and Wikipedia categories. When this is complete, the template should be moved to "Ready to delete".
 
*'''Ready to delete:''' Templates in this subsection await the attention of an admin, who will perform the actual deletion. Note that only fully orphaned templates belong here.
 
*'''On hold for technical reasons:''' This is a temporary subsection needed because of a [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive2#Deletion bugs|bug in the Wikipedia software]]; if it is discovered that a fully orphaned template cannot be deleted, it is temporarily placed here.
 
===Deletions to log (stage)===
 
An admin who performs an actual template deletion may move the deleted template to the Deletions to log section.
 
Archived discussions are logged per the instructions at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log]], and are located at [[/Log/Deleted]] and [[/Log/Not deleted]].
 
This is the final point in this process. (Whew!)
 
===Reintroduction===
 
If a template survives a proposal for deletion, please do not reintroduce it for a period of one month, unless it has been substantially edited in the interval (and probably not then). We have enough work to do and ''must'' move on, avoiding dead-end controversy. {{01}}
 
 
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==Discussion==
Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the [[WP:deletion policy|deletion policy]] and explain your reasoning.
''Add new proposals for template deletion at the bottom of'' '''''this''''' ''section.''
 
People will sometimes also recommend '''[[Wikipedia:Template substitution|subst]]''', '''subst and delete''', or similar. This means they think the template text should be "[[Hard coding|hard-coded]]" into the articles that are currently using it. Depending on the content, the template itself may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be [[Wikipedia:History merging|history-merged]] with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.
===March 3===
 
Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions]].
====[[Template:Great little trains Wales]]====
This template is redundant and can be replaced with the more complete [[Template:British heritage railways]]. ([[User:Our Phellap|Our Phellap]] 01:09, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC))
*And [[Template:British heritage railways]] can, in its turn, be replaced with categories such as [[:Category:Heritage and private railways in England]], [[:Category:Heritage and private railways in Wales]], and [[:Category:Heritage and private railways in Scotland]], just like [[Template:Cities of são paulo]] is being replaced by a category and [[Template:Chancellors]] should be replaced by several categories. Good navigational templates exist either to present some sort of uniform "previous article"/"next article" mechanism in an ordered series of articles, or to provide some sort of toolbar of overview articles in a broad subject. These templates do neither. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 04:00, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - the title of the template implies POV, but keeping [[Template:British heritage railways]] seems justified. [[User:Fawcett5|Fawcett5]] 03:19, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - 'Great little trains' is actually the popular name for the narrow-guage railways being referred to, not a comment upon them. There's quite a few such railways scattered through Wales and are quite famous; I see no reason why they should not have a seperate category. [[User:Dan100|Dan100]] 12:47, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
**We're discussing deleting the ''template'', not the category, here. Did you mistakenly think that you were in [[WP:CFD]]? &#9786; [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 15:51, 2005 Mar 14 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]] ([[User talk:Xiong|talk]]) 03:29, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Smaller template more manageable. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 06:05, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
 
=== Closing discussion ===
Administrators should read the [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Closing instructions|closing instructions]] before closing a nomination. Note that [[WP:XFDcloser]] semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.
 
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== Current discussions ==
====[[Template:British heritage railways]]====
{{Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{ #time: Y F j }}}}
A monstrosity. Convert to category. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 02:53, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{ #time: Y F j | -1 days }}}}
*'''Delete'''. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 02:53, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{ #time: Y F j | -2 days }}}}
* Delete - quite hideous, and would work equally well as a category. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 02:55, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{ #time: Y F j | -3 days }}}}
*OW MY EYES. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 02:55, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{ #time: Y F j | -4 days }}}}
*<s>'''delete'''</s> or totally rework to have links to lists of them. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 02:57, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{ #time: Y F j | -5 days }}}}
**Which I've done; '''keep''' in its revised form. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 03:04, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{ #time: Y F j | -6 days }}}}
***Unfortunately all the links on the template now link to different sections of the same page, which defeats the purpose of using a template in the first place. [[User:Silsor|silsor]] 03:06, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/{{ #time: Y F j | -7 days }}}}
****When someone gets around to splitting it (as has already been done for two links), the links can be changed. In theory those pages should include more than just a list, but also some text about the commons features. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 09:49, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
* Convert to several categories, for the reason given in the discussion of [[Template:Great little trains Wales]]. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 11:47, 2005 Mar 4 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - although the template is large it is very useful. It allows you to go any any other article on a british heritage railway immediately, whereas using several different categories makes this a major hassle. ([[User:Our Phellap|Our Phellap]] 17:04, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC))
**A mere two mouse clicks (click on the category name to go to the English/Welsh/Scottish/Manx/whatever category page, click on the railway article name in the list there to go to the article) instead of one. I find the assertion that that is a "major hassle" unpersuasive. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 11:21, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)
***May I suggest then that if the template is deleted, a link to [[List of British heritage and private railways]] etc. be added under a "See also" section ([[User:Our Phellap|Our Phellap]] 02:03, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC))
***Or four clicks: e.g. one to go to the Welsh category, one to the British category, one to the English category and then one to the railway. --[[User:Henrygb|Henrygb]] 15:54, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Comment - my version is at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:British_heritage_railways&oldid=10768356] - it's been made big again. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 02:59, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Far too big for a sensible navigation template; it dwarfs most of the articles it is applied to. -- [[User:Chris j wood|Chris j wood]] 01:08, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' Large templates are ''always'' more useful than categories. Categories only list in alphabetical order; templates can list in chronological order or in order of priority, etc. The longer the list, the more important it is got the it in the right order. So huge lists like this are better served by templates. And having all the links on every page is more convenient than having to go to another page to find them. The bigger the template, the more useful it is. [[User:Miss Pippa|Miss Pippa]] 09:54, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**My response is the same to this copy&paste-in vote here as it was above. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 16:37, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[User:G-Man|G-Man]] 21:44, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Could this template be made smaller by using smaller text? [[User:Susvolans|Susvolans]] [[User talk:Susvolans|(pigs can fly)]] 17:08, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
** Ive tried compressing the text, what do you think? [[User:G-Man|G-Man]] 23:45, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*** Yes that looks better. In defence of the comment above that the template dwarfs most articles - that is only because they are stubs at the moment. Once they are all expanded this will not be the case. ([[User:Our Phellap|Our Phellap]] 23:50, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC))
*'''Convert to Category''' &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]] ([[User talk:Xiong|talk]]) 03:31, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' I agree with Our Phellap's comment above on the matter of stubs. In addition, to split it up among its constituent parts would complicate the issue: XXX is a United Kingdom heritage railway, part of a national network. Many publications list them all as tourist attractions. [[User:Peter Shearan|Peter Shearan]] 08:12, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Convert to Category''' Not pretty... [[User:80.42.43.168|80.42.43.168]] 12:03, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' This template is a useful navigational aid. Deleting it will not aid navigation. [[User:217.43.150.43|217.43.150.43]] 00:55, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''/convert to category or reduce to a usable size. 900px+ width widens page even at 1024x768. [[User:Mrwojo|Mrwojo]] 20:22, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**The width parameter can easily be removed so that its maximum width will be limited by the screen resolution a person uses. ([[User:Our Phellap|Our Phellap]] 22:20, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC))
***This has now been done. ([[User:Our Phellap|Our Phellap]] 22:23, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC))
 
===March 4===
 
====[[Wikipedia:VfD criteria templates]]====
:[[Template:Vfd-or]], [[Template:Vfd-vp]], [[Template:Vfd-sp]], [[Template:Vfd-int]], [[Template:Vfd-pov]], [[Template:Vfd-pe]], [[Template:Vfd-list]], [[Template:Vfd-tg]], [[Template:Vfd-dir]], [[Template:Vfd-uv]], [[Template:Vfd-pn]], [[Template:Vfd-vn]], [[Template:Vfd-rec]], [[Template:Vfd-dd]], [[Template:Vfd-band]]
*'''All related deletion templates''' are currently under discussion at [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Policy consensus/Deletion criterion boxes]]. Specifically, that page discusses whether said templates should be used on VfD discussions. If the outcome of that discussion is that they should not, it would only make sense if all these templates are deleted.
*In a week time, 31 people have expressed strong opinions against using these criteria boxes on VfD, and not a single person has spoken up in their support. Consensus seems to be that they are annoying, diverting from the real discussion, and responsible for substantial page size increase. Since they are not going to be used on VfD, and by design cannot be used anywhere else, they should probably all be deleted. [[User:Radiant!|Radiant!]] 18:26, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' them all! [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 07:24, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' all, per [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Policy consensus/Deletion criterion boxes]]. Note that <nowiki>{{tfd}}</nowiki> has only just now been applied to the templates. &mdash;[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 07:55, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', looking at the votes, it looks like consensus is overwhelmingly against these boxes. If they're not allowed to be used on VFD, then it only makes sense to just get rid of them completely. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 14:15, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
* I will "dustbin" these in a couple of days; I'd do it now, but the notice has only been on them since Mar 16. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 13:00, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''COMMENT''': These boxes should be subst'd to the pages they were on. The VFD folks can remove them from there if necessary (I believe they can remove them on sight), but we shouldn't interfere with VFD. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 06:15, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
=== March 11 ===
 
====[[Template:Picneed]]====
This misguided template was created in conjunction with [[:Category:Articles that need pictures]]. Created by [[User:SamuraiClinton]], a user who is creating a significant amount of cleanup work for other editors. We already have [[Wikipedia:Requested pictures]], which makes this template/category combo redundant. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 02:36, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. I see nothing wrong with having 2 alternate templates for the same request. I also like this template too.
**According to the History, the entry above ("Keep. I see nothing wrong...") was added by [[User:SamuraiClinton]]. [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 03:14, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)
*Entirely redundant, given <nowiki>{{reqimage}}</nowiki>. '''Delete'''. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 10:49, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)
 
This template has been redirected to [[Template:reqimg|reqimg]]; so don't vote anymore. Problem has been solved. --[[User:SamuraiClinton|GoofyGuy]] 23:34, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
*That solved nothing. [[Template:reqimg|reqimg]] is as bad as [[Template:Picneed|picneed]]. It has something or other in it that is broken (the <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> doesn't do whatever it is supposed to do). The template as is is too chatty and self-refernential. If there is any appropriate use, it belongs on the talk page not cluttering up the article with meta-instructions to editors. Delete both. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 02:33, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
 
*I agree; reqimg is unnecessary. I add tfd to that template and start new thread for its deletion. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]] ([[User talk:Xiong|talk]]) 03:58, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)
* '''Keep, and redirect''' to <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:reqimage|reqimage]]}}. . -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 19:32, 2005 Mar 17 (UTC)
 
====China and Taiwan related geo-stubs (slight return)====
A short update to last month's hotly contended debate about China-geo-stub and Taiwan-geo-stub. After considerable discussion here, at cfd, and at WP:WSS, the following compromise was reached on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting as regards the geo-stub categories relating to the two entities referred to as China. The former China-geo-stub template has been kept, but considerably altered to reflect its new destination category, and a new template [[Template:Taiwan-geo-stub]] has been created.
* [[Template:Taiwan-geo-stub]] -> [[:Category: Republic of China (Taiwan) geography stubs]]
* [[Template:China-geo-stub]] -> [[:Category: Mainland China geography stubs]]
* [[:Category:Mainland China geography stubs]] and [[:Category:Hong Kong geography stubs]] both to be subcategories of [[:Category:People's Republic of China geography stubs]]
China-''related'' and Taiwan-''related'' stubs are still to be dealt with. [[User:Grutness| Grutness]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Grutness|hello?]]</sup> [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 07:59, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
**Don't move - quite clearly no adjustment is required unless we wish to take a stance against China's recent non-secession act - which as we are NPOV, we don't, [[User:Jguk|jguk]] 13:05, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Erm... don't move what? If you mean the geo-stubs, it's too late - that's all been dealt with. If you mean the non-geographic items, politics are just part of the problem. The histories of the two, erm, places are so intertwined that it's often difficult to work out which is the better reference category. Another problem is that removing the geo-stubs from Taiwan-stub has left the category nearly empty. As far as the politics is concerned, personally I'd prefer no move, too, but the use of the word "Taiwan" upsets and/or unnerves some people. For the time being, as-is/where-is seems to be good, but nsooner or later someone is bound to start kicking up a fuss. [[User:Grutness| Grutness]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Grutness|hello?]]</sup> [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 01:51, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
 
 
===March 12===
 
 
 
====[[Template:SevenLiberalArtsAndAstrology]], [[Template:AstrologyAndAlchemy]], [[Template:NumerologyAndAstrology]], [[Template:AstrologyAndClassicalElements]], [[Template:AstrologicalSignKeywords]]====
 
These five templates were being used to create "shared sections" on multiple articles with the same content. In the case of SevenLiberalArtsAndAstrology, I felt the contents were small enough and generic enough that I simply pasted it directly into the articles in question ([[liberal arts]] and [[astrology]]). AstrologyAndAlchemy, NumerologyAndAstrology and AstrologyAndClassicalElements I turned into articles in their own right ([[astrology and alchemy]], [[Astrology and numerology]] and [[astrology and the classical elements]]), with stub sections and links to them in the articles that they formerly appeared in. And finally, I just moved the content of AstrologicalSignKeywords into [[astrological sign]], since it seemed less appropriate in the other articles it was appearing in ([[zodiac]] and [[astrology]]). Now all of the content is held in article pages rather than templates, which IMO aren't appropriate for this sort of thing. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan]] 07:24, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
*Delete - No indeed. Templates aren't supposed to be used to masquerade as article content in the main article space - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 00:41, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Ditto [[User:Fawcett5|Fawcett5]] 23:49, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
 
 
===March 14===
 
 
 
====[[Template:CAMInfobox]]====
 
Not an infobox at all. This amounts to providing four links to definitions and classifies articles, only without the interlinking offered by a category system. The "infobox" just needlessly clutters the articles. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 14:59, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
*'''This nomination is in bad faith'''. [[Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point|Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point]]. [[User:Susvolans|Susvolans]] [[User talk:Susvolans|(pigs can fly)]] 15:44, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Er, I really don't see that it is. What it is is nominating a blight of a template, one whose lone supporter has a habit of also reinserting it in articles as the HTML. Could you please explain why you think this nomination is disruption to make a point? - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 17:05, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Delete. Whether it's a template or written out by hand in HTML, it (1) fails the criteria for the reasons given (2) has precisely one fan on the entire wiki, who obsessively reinserts it and claims that removing it is a personal attack on him (despite the "[[Wikipedia:Ownership of articles|no article ownership]]" policy). - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 17:05, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep'''. Provides useful information. [[User:Pwqn|Pwqn]] 19:41, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**What information is provided that cannot be provided less intrusively by a category system? [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 19:57, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
***This is an ''[[Wikipedia:Infobox|infobox]]''not an ''article series''. Infoboxes are not redundant with categories. [[User:Pwqn|Pwqn]] 20:47, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
****In general, yes. This is because infoboxes usually contain information such as the length of an album, or the genus of a species. This infobox, however, just contains category information. What aspect of this infobox, to your mind, would not be just as well served by a category? [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 00:17, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The information presented by the template can be better presented through categories and/or plain article text. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 00:46, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
 
===March 15===
 
====[[Template:Reqimg]]====
 
This template tries to make a general need specific. Many pages need images; these are, almost universally, the ones that have few images. Readers like to look at pictures, even avid bookworms. Even gratuitous graphics help to relieve the eye and are not superfluous.
 
No template is required on pages that contain insufficient images; the lack of images is immediately and glaringly obvious to all editors with any skill in graphics arts or any inclination to add such images. It is redundant and distracting to call attention to any one individual article by means of ''this'' template.
 
I have marked this template for deletion. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]] ([[User talk:Xiong|talk]]) 07:22, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)
 
*'''delete'''. There should only be one template for pages listed at [[Wikipedia:Requested pictures]]. The most commonly used one is [[Template:Reqimage]] (which also has the most appropriate name as well). Even that template should be rewritten it so that it is designed to go on the article's talk page instead of the article's main page, and then all the current uses of the template should be moved to talk pages. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 08:06, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*For the same reasons given to delete the accompanying [[:Category:Articles that need pictures]] (namely, it's painfully redundant), this template should go away. --[[User:IMeowbot|iMb]]~[[User talk:IMeowbot|Mw]] 07:54, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' (except as outlined below). There are two reasons listed above for deleting: (1) it's obvious which articles need pictures, so no template is necessary (Xiong, iMeowbot); (2) a template is necessary, but only one, and we already have {{tl|reqimage}} (BlankVerse). (1) As to reason 1, I agree, but I think that this discussion should be about {{tl|reqimage}} also; as long as {{tl|reqimage}} isn't listed here, I'm voting "keep" on {{tl|reqimg}}. (For that matter, the stub templates would also belong on tfd by the logic of reason 1.) (2) I absolutely disagree with reason 2, though: (a) There's nothing wrong with two templates; what does it hurt? And (b) this one serves a different purpose from {{tl|reqimage}}, as is obvious from reading their text.[[User:Msh210|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:msh210|msh210]] 14:26, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep, and redirect''' to <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:reqimage|reqimage]]}}. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 19:07, 2005 Mar 17 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' The template is broken as is. And redundant even if it did work. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 01:40, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete or redirect'''. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 01:22, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Photo-request]]====
 
Here is yet another template for Wikipedia articles missing pictures. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 08:06, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Delete'''. Of course. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 08:25, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. We only need one such template. This one's a little better than some, but others already do the job this has been aimed at. It feeds into a stub category too (which it shouldn't - these articles aren't stubs). [[User:Grutness| Grutness]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Grutness|hello?]]</sup> [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 11:16, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]] ([[User talk:Xiong|talk]]) 15:18, 2005 Mar 17 (UTC)
*'''Redirect''' to <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:reqimage|reqimage]]}}. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 19:05, 2005 Mar 17 (UTC)
*'''Delete or redirect'''. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 01:23, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
 
===[[March 17]]===
 
====[[Template:Verylarge]]====
 
Perhaps a worthy attempt by an anonymous user to move out a bit of text that is used on two different categories ([[:Category:Stub]] and [[:Category:Substubs]]), however, those two bits are actually different and they can't really be merged and genericized. I've moved the content back and so [[Template:Verylarge]] is obsolete.
 
Namespace pollution ("very large") notwithstanding, even...
 
--[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>&#91;shallot&#93;</small></small>]] 11:25, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
I've edited it quite a bit, so it applies to any too large or too rapidly growing category. Votes should be on the template as emended; Joy, do you still vote to delete?[[User:Msh210|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:msh210|msh210]] 14:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep'''.[[User:Msh210|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:msh210|msh210]] 14:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
It's okay now, but you still don't have a cause for it, there are no pages using it. :) Please don't change the aforementioned two categories, they're better as they are now. And the name is still too generic for this narrow purpose (it should be named "catverylarge" if it's just for categories). --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>&#91;shallot&#93;</small></small>]] 17:13, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:Well, no one's used it yet, of course; in effect, I've just created it. But I've added it now to [[WP:TM]], so people migt start using it now. &mdash;msh210 22:55, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep'''! Brilliant! This is exactly what I was looking for. I'm glad someone's made this. Don't worry - it will be used very soon! [[User:Grutness| Grutness]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Grutness|hello?]]</sup> [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 00:05, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep'''. Looks good. It would be helpful to include a link to some discussion or article about very large categories if there is one that touches on the technical problems, human problems, and multiple solutions related to very large categories. You've included one solution, re-categorizing to existing sub-categories; another is the creation of new sub-categories where the existing ones do not suffice, and the splitting of the large category into two or more sub-categories of the parent category. Too much to put on a template message, but fodder for discussion on a guidelines page. Thank you for your effort in making this. [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 00:42, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep'''. Surprised that a template like this didn't already exist. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 01:25, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
 
===[[March 18]]===
 
====[[Template:Stanford]]====
In the [[Stanford University]] article, I replaced the reference to this template with the general university template [[Template:Infobox University2]]. Seeing as how that article was the only one using this template (doesn't seem like a good idea to have a template for just one article), I propose the deletion of this template. [[User:MementoVivere|MementoVivere]] 12:13, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' not needed--[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 23:27, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', what's wrong with the normal infobox? -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 06:17, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
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==Holding Cell==
''Move templates'' '''''here''''' ''to prepare to delete'' '''''if''''' ''process guidelines are met.''
 
===To orphan===
 
These templates need to be deleted, but may still be in use on some pages. Somebody (it doesn't need to be an admin, anyone can do it) should remove them from pages so that they can be deleted.
 
====[[Template:Sejm Marshals]]====
* Is this really to be deleted? It has no {TfD] tag, and a large number of pages link to it. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 20:01, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
** There certainly wasn't a consensus to delete, so whoever moved it to the holding cell needs a spanking. I've put the discussion on the template talk page. (The '''Divide''' has been done already) &mdash; [[User:MikeX|MikeX]] [[User Talk:MikeX|(talk)]] 20:51, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
*<s>Since the "divide" in effect created other templates, this one is no longer needed. orphan and delete it.--[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 06:42, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)</s>
*actually, the divide has not been done already. it needs to be done. --[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 02:25, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
==== [[Template:1]], [[Template:2]], [[Template:3]], [[Template:4]], [[Template:5]], [[Template:6]] ====
These are no longer necessary in MediaWiki 1.4, since it doesn't interpret the <nowiki>{{1}}</nowiki> inside {{{1}}} as a template. [[User:Goplat|Goplat]] 07:04, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete all''' -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 16:02, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)
* '''Delete all''' -- [[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 10:24, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete all''' --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:11, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)
** I went to delete these, and a zillion things use them (well, I only checked 1, 2, and 6, but even 6 has a good number, so I'm sure the rest must too). So, waiting for them to be depopulated. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 17:43, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
*** Those are false-positives. Those pages/templates haven't been edited since the MediaWiki upgrade, so there is a leftover "link" to these templates. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 18:47, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)
*** Ah, got it. I wonder if doing a cache flush (with "&action=purge") will update the links table. I wonder if any pages use these templates for other reasons, or are we sure that all the link entries are these false-positives? [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 16:54, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
**** No, you have to do a "null-edit" to each article (open it, then save without making changes) to refresh the links. I used to have a bot that could do that... :) -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 17:45, 2005 Feb 3 (UTC)
**** Right, that bug (and all the related ones - categories have a similar set) is really a PITA. The right fix is that extra links table, though, so until someone tackles adding that we'll have to live with the consequences. I did look idly through part of the lists of linked articles (ignoring templates), and all the handful I found using any of these templates were the results of errors, so I'd ''guess'' it is safe to go ahead and delete them. Certainly, anything that is using them for real will blow up, because the TfD notice will screw up the syntax. So, I'd say, let's just be lazy and take the easiest way of all out - just wait a while and see if anyone reports any errors, and if not, zap. There's no urgency to get rid of them, I don't think. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 20:11, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 
===To convert to category===
 
:empty
 
===Ready to delete===
 
Templates for which consensus to delete has been reached, been orphaned, and the discussion logged, can be listed here for an admin to delete.
 
*
 
===On hold for technical reasons===
 
This is a temporary subsection needed because of a [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive2#Deletion bugs|bug in the Wikipedia software]]; fully orphaned templates which cannot be deleted are collected here.
 
*[[Template:CompactTOC (external links)]]
** Clear [[User:BlankVerse|BlankVerse]] 09:46, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
** Has block-compressed versions in history, delete on hold. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 16:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
***There's a [[Template:Pending deletion]] for these. -[[User:Aranel|Aranel]] ("<font color="#ba0000"><u>Sarah</u></font>") 17:38, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
*[[Template:CompactTOC (see also)]]
** Also clear, but also on delete hold. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 16:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
*[[Template:CompactTOCallplustwo2]]
** Ditto. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 16:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
*[[Template:Aboutwikipedia]]
** This can't be deleted at present due to a software flaw. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 01:52, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
** Same block-compressed issue as the ones above. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 02:39, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
*[[Template:Bookshelf]]- block-compressed revisions. I have rmv'd all linking pages and logged it (preemptively). -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 23:35, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
*[[Template:Cowstub]], block-compressed da da da. I've subst'd it on to (all?) of the pages it was on, because IIRC it wasn't ever used seriously. It's on a bunch of BJAODN pages, and I think it does belong there, and should be preserved. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 19:35, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
*[[Template:CompactTOCwithnumbers2]]- has been logged as deleted because the pending deletion sign has been placed on top of it. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 14:29, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
* [[Template:A]], block-compressed mumble. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 18:44, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
===Disputed (deprecated)===
 
''This subsection is deprecated. If the outcome of a proposal for deletion does not result in a clear concensus, the debate may continue on the template's Talk page -- not here.''
 
====[[Template:Deletebecauseoncommons]]====
(and redirect at [[Template:dbc]])
 
''Summary: 2 Delete, 1 Keep ~ [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 8 March''
 
(Logged at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted/Archive/Feb05]])
 
We already have two templates which handle both aspects of this one. [[Template:NowCommons]] documents that the image is at Commons, and [[Template:ifd]] marks those images which are up for deletion. Compare [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Tears.jpg&diff=next&oldid=10263251 here] where I replaced use of this template with the appropriate ones. There is no special reason to combine these two ideas into a single template. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 20:48, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep''' - it should be encouraged to upload files to commons under the same name, to avoid having to change the articles. And there's no reason {{tl|NowCommons}} shouldn't be like this one (which I created not knowing of NowCommons's existence, if it existed at the time). --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 22:18, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
** I ''agree'', but we already have templates to handle this. This one is redundant with those established ones. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 02:29, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC)
** Why should we encourage people to keep the same name? A lot of images here are titled in CamelCase; and there's no reason not to fix it when the opportunity arises. I always replace bad names with good when pushing to the Commons. [[User:Dbenbenn|dbenbenn]] | [[User talk:Dbenbenn|talk]] 14:09, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', redundant - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 13:07, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
*I don't care - I just wanted to mention that there's a category associated with these which ought to go away too if the template does. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 05:21, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Replace''' it with <nowiki>{{NowCommons}} <br/> {{ifd}}</nowiki> or redirect to NowCommons. {{User:Alphax/sig}} 01:27, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. I have several images I've uploaded to en, and now reuploaded to Commons. I want to delete the en versions so the Commons versions show through, but I ''hate'' having that {{template|ifd}} on there. It's just temporary, but there's no reason that viewers should see that notice. (I also find it a bit silly that even when I am the creator and uploader of the en image, then upload to Commons, I still can't request speedy deletion even though no images in articles will be broken.) Adding {{template|NowCommons}} doesn't help much because unless someone knows what Commons is, it doesn't really explain. If I were a random visitor and clicked on an image to get the larger one, I would not understand why this apparently good image was up for deletion, and even a casual editor might not understand. If I can't get my images deleted speedily, I would at least like the deletion notice to clearly explain that it is because there is now a redundant copy and there is no problem with the image ''per se''. [[User:SPUI]] saw me struggling and was kind enough to point this out to me. This is not just a combination of those two templates, in my opinion. &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker]] [[User talk:Knowledge Seeker|&#2470;]] 08:59, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Note that this is ''not'' a problem for images which are uploaded under different names to Commons; in that case, the other templates work fine. A casual viewer to the article would see the new Commons image if he followed the link and would be unaware of the old local version which was up for deletion. Anyone who came to the old image would have come specifically seeking that image, and the {{template|NowCommons}} and {{template|ifd}} would be more than sufficient. But in the event that you actually think the original name is perfectly adequate and want to move to Commons, while the image is in IFD the article viewers will see the deletion notice, and I don't think the two-template combination is adequate. &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker]] [[User talk:Knowledge Seeker|&#2470;]] 21:53, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
==Deletions to log==
''Deleted templates which have not yet been logged; remove from'' '''''this''''' ''page entirely when logged.''
 
===March 2===
 
====[[Template:A]], [[Template:CapA|CapA]], [[Template:E|E]], [[Template:I|I]], [[Template:O|O]], [[Template:U|U]], [[Template:Shravakayana|Shravakayana]]====
(and redirects [[MediaWiki:A]], [[MediaWiki:CapA|CapA]], [[MediaWiki:E|E]], [[MediaWiki:I|I]], [[MediaWiki:O|O]], [[MediaWiki:U|U]], [[MediaWiki:Shravakayana|Shravakayana]]) More unused accented character templates. In September most of these were replaced with a notice saying they're deprecated. [[User:Goplat|Goplat]] 00:58, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete all'''. Sorry folks, you all had your days of glory. I miss you being there to share my joy as I put in those accented characters, but it's time to let go. It's time to move on. You, brother templates, will always have a special place in my heart; but now it's time to let your children take over. It's time for the circle of life to perform its rituals, and us to cherish the memories. You have brought such prettiness to articles throughout wikipedia, and for that, I am grateful. It is now time for you to officially pass the torch on to your children, and hope to be remembered lovingly by Wikipedians worldwide. I love you all!!! -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 14:33, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
===March 3===
 
====[[Template:GDFL]]====
 
Clearly a malicious template created for people who list their images as GFDL but make a typo. The anon's only edit was to create this. The trouble is, there are a selection of pages ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Template%3AGDFL]) which appear to, effectively, licence their images under this mythical GFDL. Much as I would like to [[be bold]], in this instance, I feel a little cautious about the legal basis for such a move. [[User:Smoddy|Smoddy]] [[User talk:Smoddy|(t)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Smoddy|(e)]] 20:56, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
*The legal implications of adding text to this template, or of turning it into a redirect to <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>, are unclear. I think that the only safe course of action is to '''Delete'''. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 11:34, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)
*If What Links Here is complete and accurate for templates these days, subst it into the places where it's currently used and then '''redirect'''. Talk messages to the uploaders would probably well-received, too. &mdash;[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 13:21, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
*Leave it as a redirect, perhaps with a note pointing out the typo. [[User:Chamaeleon|''Chamaeleon'']] 13:56, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' or '''redirect''' - if redirected, protect it so that this can't happen again. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 02:30, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
 
:::I have made this typo myself; it's natural. A protected redirect is correct. However, the legal status of pages licensed using ''this'' template ''before'' the redirect was put in place is uncertain.
 
:::In general, licensing templates should be protected as soon as they are created, and never again edited for any reason. Or, if such is possible, the engine should automatically protect every licensing template upon the first use. This leads naturally to the (very sensible IMHO) idea of a '''Licensing template:''' namespace.
 
::*A Licensing template is functionally different from all other templates in that it has legal effect at the moment in which it is first included by reference in a text. It can '''''never''''' be changed thereafter except:
::** via the arduous process of manually pasting in the complete, original template text in place of every such citation (which is just plain silly); or
::** by '''unanimous consent''' of every person who ever used it (which is sillier).
 
:::Where do I go to create a new namespace (and automatic protection rule)? &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]] ([[User talk:Xiong|talk]]) 03:45, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)
 
I see that this template has been redirected to GFDL, and the redirect has been protected, so I think that wraps it up. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 23:33, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
=== March 11 ===
 
====[[Template:WGS84]]====
Obsolete and unused, replaced by [[Template_talk:Coor_dms]] family. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 12:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Wgs NW]]====
Obsolete and unused, replaced by [[Template_talk:Coor_dms]] family. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 12:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Wgs NE]]====
Obsolete and unused, replaced by [[Template_talk:Coor_dms]] family. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 12:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Wgs SW]]====
Obsolete and unused, replaced by [[Template_talk:Coor_dms]] family. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 12:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Wgs SE]]====
Obsolete and unused, replaced by [[Template_talk:Coor_dms]] family. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 12:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
== Old discussions ==
====[[Template:Coordinate d]]====
{{#invoke:XfD old|transclude}}
Obsolete and unused, replaced by [[Template_talk:Coor_dms]] family. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 12:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
====[[Template:Coordinate dm]]====
Obsolete and unused, replaced by [[Template_talk:Coor_dms]] family. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 12:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
== Completed discussions ==
*'''Delete all''' (from WGS84, ending here). -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|&#9997;]] 04:46, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A list of completed discussions that still require action taken on the template(s) — for example, a merge between two infoboxes — can be found at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell|the "Holding Cell"]].
 
For an index of all old and archived discussions, see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/Archives]].
 
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