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== List of American suffragists by state ==
Hi Fram! I just reverted one of your edits and will be reverting a few more. I appreciate you putting the smaller lists inline for the list of American suffragists by state, but it's not going to work in the long run. I am doing a long-term project where I am listing all suffragists by either state or national level. Many of the suffragists on the national page need to go to the smaller pages. These lists, like the one for NY will get very long very quickly. Please leave individual state lists as stand-alone. Thank you! :) [[User:Megalibrarygirl|Megalibrarygirl]] ([[User talk:Megalibrarygirl|talk]]) 20:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:The right thing would then have been to split them again ''in the long run'', at the time when the length of a state list overwhelmed the general page. Not what you did now. I'll not revert as it is rather tiring to go against so insisting on the need for separate pages for some reason, but it really is not the right way to deal with these things. Please don't create other one-person lists. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
== CfD nomination at {{Section link| Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 3#Early Austria disestablishment categories }} ==
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== Draft:Post-resignation violence against Hindus in Bangladesh, 2024 ==
[[User:ZeetBaralWiki|ZeetBaralWiki]] ([[User talk:ZeetBaralWiki|talk]]) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Fram.
You told 'While this topic deserves an article, it shouldn't be this one. A blatantly one-sided, very badly sourced instead of a neutral, factual one where the sources actually reference the paragraphs they follow instead of being seemingly randomly inserted'
I have checked the references. There are many mistakes in them. I am removing those and inserting the correct references. How the government is viewing the matter, what steps they have taken, what international organizations and countries have commented—I can mention these with references. Also, I can include the opinions of those who are attacking. I think that will make it impartial and unbiased. Will I proceed with the article - [[Draft:Post-resignation violence against Hindus in Bangladesh, 2024|Post-resignation violence against Hindus in Bangladesh, 2024]]? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ZeetBaralWiki|ZeetBaralWiki]] ([[User talk:ZeetBaralWiki#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ZeetBaralWiki|contribs]]) 16:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You are copying sentences and paragraphs straight from the sources. This is a copyright violation and not allowed on Wikipedia. You need to write the article in your own words, summarizing the sources. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 06:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|ZeetBaralWiki}}, this is a very important topic that needs to be covered properly. If you engage in copyright violations or any other significant policy violations, that will only delay the coverage of this topic on Wikipedia. So please be careful to follow Wikipedia's [[WP:PAG|policies and guidelines]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
== Canines Cushing-syndrome ==
The reason for that mess of a title is that the editor was paid to use AI to translate an article with 0 incentive to anything more than get it past AfC. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 19:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:Ah yes, I know of that problematic project, recently I have taken one of their creations to AfD for being unscientific, outdated, and completely unchecked by the translator. Sounds like easy money for them! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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== My style of writing ==
Hi Fram, I just dropped you a lengthy explanation on why I use technical complex wordings to exaggerate the content articles as I also think of the fact that it is paramount important for me to convert the stub class article into a start class article by capitalizing on my strength in the form of writing. I also take inspiration from English literature subject where I have learnt the basic literary techniques like metaphors, similes, euphemism, paradox and I also take note of some of the prominent writers works such as [[Maya Angelou]], [[Cat Stevens]], [[Edward Lowbury]], [[Gabriel Okara]], [[Jacques Prevert]], [[Gabriela Mistral]], [[Yasmine Gooneratne]], [[Sonali Deraniyagala]] and [[Wisława Szymborska]] on how they captured the plight of daily life situations through their exceptional writing framework. In addition to listening to cricket commentary, I have also given so much emphasis to the prominent notable literary works of the some of the highly talented writers as I have mentioned earlier. I also ended up writing an article about [[Barnewall Two-way Model]] few months ago which I in fact learnt as part of my [[behavioral finance]] module in Business Management. I literally referred to all the notes and tutes and compiled a fresh article right from the scratch and presented it a one step destination so that it can be used as an education tool by others to get a basic idea of what that model is all about. [[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 17:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
:<small>I think, in terms of technique, you might want to think about ''[[Finnegans Wake]]'' :D [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<b style="color:#7a0427;">SerialNumber</b>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129|<b style="color:#17662c;">54129</b>]]'' 17:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
::I've taken a look at [[Barnewall Two-way Model]] as not only your writing ''style'' is a problem, but the contents of that article were frankly dreadful. Things like "Passive investors do not have the bargaining ability to make crucial decisions as they work under bosses on a contractual basis and are obliged to comply with the terms and conditions set by their employers. " or "However, there is no guarantee that passive investors can have the ability to enhance their level of independence, and they will not be able to make their own decisions as they always have to depend on what their superiors instruct and act accordingly." are not supported by the sources ''at all''. Never mind the nonsense of "Generally it is perceived and assumed that people who have fewer economic resources and especially those who have little to no access to even basic facilities tend to become passive investors." People with no access to basic facilities are not the people discussed by the model or the sources... I will keep an eye on your new creations and may request removal of your user rights as I don't think you are the kind of editor who should be autopatrolled or who should be reviewing new pages or pending changes. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
::::This is an eye opener for me as my article has been termed as delusional and my writing pattern lacks the basic common sense. I admit my mistakes and I take the responsibility for it. I thought of always applying whatever I studied at school or college level to full effect in practical aspects and as a result I decided to execute my knowledge prowess through such encyclopediac articles. I am always keen on enhancing knowledge and to share the same with others without expecting anything in return. Maybe I was overexcited and pumped up whenever I get an opportunity to use my knowledge to the best of my efforts. I also admit the fact that my style of writing has also been influenced with the advent of college semester report writing, assignments as we are expected to give an in-depth analysis on explaining a particular segment to gain more marks and also to top the rankings like first class honours etc. My knack of writing is clearly evident with how you are making suggestions on the necessity to trim down unnecessary wordings and to ensure a neutral point of view. I am always eager to apply whatever knowledge I have at my disposal which can benefit me and others and that is why I feel maybe I have exaggerated my style of writing. Hopefully I can turn things around to stay alive and remain upbeat about the weight of expectations on me. Hopefully I can see a glimmer of hope and possibly see light at the end of the tunnel. I strive with the emphasis on improving myself and I guarantee that I can make a resilient comeback and become an inevitable Wikipedia editor. [[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 15:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
== Orders of magnitude ==
You nominated the article "[[Orders of magnitude (angular frequency)]]" for deletion. Why? Why is this article any less desirable than all the other articles titled "Orders of magnitude (quantity)"? [[User:Solomonfromfinland|Solomonfromfinland]] ([[User talk:Solomonfromfinland|talk]]) 09:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
:[[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. I have no idea if the other ones are better or deserve deletion or redirecting as well, but the one you created is, like I said, a random selection of examples, not based on an overarching source. An article which exists only of examples is not an encyclopedic article. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
== Deleting page Baron of the Bachuil ==
Fram, I noticed that you deleted the premier baron of the realm page that I created it's the oldest extant title of nobility. Rather than outright deletion, I believe it would have been more constructive to start a discussion about any concerns you had (as you have often poked at me), particularly given the historic significance of the title and the numerous sources included in the article. I've observed that we've had several interactions in the past, and it seems like you might be closely monitoring my contributions. I can't help but feel that this might be causing unnecessary friction between us. I would appreciate it if we could focus on constructive dialogue moving forward, rather than actions that could be seen as disruptive. [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 15:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
:First, you should not have created the text someone else created as your own in mainspace, such copy-paste moves are not allowed. Secondly, the first source in the article, claimed to be checkec today, was a weird commercial casino page, not a reliable source at all, where the source was vaguely related to the pahe subject but not to the facts it sourced at all. You are an experienced editor, you should do better. And no, I wasn't "closely monitoring your contributions", I saw the page among the new pages which I was checking. The page was created at 13:33, 22 August 2024, I also edited a page created at 14:19, 22 August 2024, one from 14:03, 22 August 2024, one from 14:46, 22 August 2024, one from 11:22, 22 August 2024, ... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
::Plumber and I collaborated on the article, and he asked me to publish it. I wasn’t aware that this approach violated any specific rules, but I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. I'll review the sources with Plumber to ensure they meet Wikipedia's standards, and we'll work together to address any issues so we can move forward with getting the article live. [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 15:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
:Oh, and moving a page to draft is not "deleting" a page, it's making sure that it isn't in the mainspace when the sourcing is so dubious. It hasn't been in the mainspace since 2001, a few more days or weeks won't hurt. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
::I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 15:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
:(edit confmict)Finally, even without the sourcing issus, it is really not a good article. It starts with some general vague text about 1556, instead of kdiscussing the history of the actual barony, which is claimed in the infobox to be from the 9th century. Reading the article doesn't really inform readers about the barony, which should be the purpose after all. It's a jumble of largely unrelated paragraphs, e.g. suddenly talking about " In a 1951 ruling, the Lord Lyon found that the Coarbs of St Moluag had existed for centuries without acknowledging any secular authority or hierarchical structure." without any indication what this is about or why this is important. It's a lot more informative to read the existing article on [[Clan Livingstone]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
::While I concur regarding the absence of the history section, I do not consider the text in question (which is a dedicated section) to be vague. Initially, it elucidates the essence of baronial allodial fiefdoms in Scotland, where the holders are barons ''par la grâce de Dieu'' (by the Grace of God), owing to the allodial nature of their fiefs and their refusal to acknowledge any superiors.
::Moreover, I contend that the title stands as one of the oldest in the introduction. To reinforce this claim, I cite an instance where the Duke of Argyll addressed the Baron as "my lord", highlighting the antiquity of the barony and its significant seniority (allodial in origin, predating Scottish feudalism). I have appropriately attributed this information to credible sources.
::Furthermore, the ruling by Lord Lyon is not arbitrary but grounded in specific findings. He observed that the Coarb of St. Moluag (Baron of the Bachuil) recognised no higher authority, as their fief is allodial, affirming the Livingstones' status. The concluding paragraph underscores the heraldic privileges linked with an allodial barony, which the Livingstones possess, thereby solidifying their position as barons "by the Grace of God".
::Regarding the mention of the King of Scots, I included it solely to offer additional context (the King of Scots filled a high king position, not superior among equals, emphasising the allodial aspect in medieval Scotland). It merely serves as a starting point for the actual content. However, I agree that the Duke of Argyll's inclusion in the section is irrelevant though. [[User:Daniel Plumber|Daniel Plumber]] ([[User talk:Daniel Plumber|talk]]) 07:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::It also helps if you link to the sources you use wherever possible (e.g. [https://journals.socantscot.org/index.php/psas/article/view/8229/8197 this]), and please try to write in your own words instead of closely paraphrasing, like you did here (see how e.g. the aside "- which itself was a developed form of tribalism in Western Europe -" compares to the similar aside in the source "—which we shall see was, inWestern Europe at any rate, itself a developed form of tribalism—"). See [[Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Alright, thanks for the advice. [[User:Daniel Plumber|Daniel Plumber]] ([[User talk:Daniel Plumber|talk]]) 09:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of windmills in Friesland (T–V)]]==
Hello, Fram,
I just noticed that this bundled nomination is not formatted correctly. This will result in our editing tool, XFDcloser, taking action on the article in the title and ignoring the other articles you meant to include. You can't just arrange the articles in a list, they have to have the proper formatting to be a real bundled nomination that will allow XFDcloser to take action on all of the articles. Luckily, the necessary changes aren't complicated. Just go review, the [[WP:AFD]] section on nominating multiple articles and follow the instructions there to redo your list of articles to be considered. It should only take a few minutes but it will save the eventual discussion closer a lot of headaches if you take care of this prior to closure. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 05:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
:Here's what a correctly formatted bundled nomination looks like: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korea Jesus Presbyterian Church]]. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 05:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
::Done, can't recall having seen this before when I did multi-noms. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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== Missing something ==
{{tq|The title is claimed to be exactly years old}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fram-20240902164700-Need_Guidance_on_Bias_and_Admin_Issues_in_Baronage_Guidelines_Discussion] [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 04:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:numlock issues. From 1624, so exactly 400 years old! At least, that's what the infobox says... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 06:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Fram,
I wanted to extend an olive branch and reach out directly. I know we’ve had our differences in various discussions, and things may have escalated more than they should. My intention is always to contribute constructively, and although we may not always agree, I’m hoping we can find some common ground moving forward. I’m committed to improving my contributions and continuing to learn. I’d really like to turn this into a more collaborative relationship.
Thank you for considering this, and I hope we can move forward positively.
Best regards,
Kellycrak88 [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 16:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
:I have no problem with you wanting to edit constructively, and have stated in my ANi post explicitly that you are a good-faith editor. But I do hope that in the future, you will try to learn from issues you encounter, and keep your promises of being more careful and going slower, instead of just continuing in the same vein, which was what lead me to the ANI report. Articles should be factually correct, well sourced, neutral, free from copyright violations, and essentially about their title subject, not a vehicle to add loads of unrelated information or to focus on one tiny aspect only. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 06:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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== Hostility on [[Baidwan sept of Jat-Sikh lineage]] ==
Hi Fram, you mentioned getting hostility and claims of vandalism at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baidwan sept of Jat-Sikh lineage]], do you mean the edit summary the sockpuppet gave you in the edit summary when they reverted you? Or did you also get something somewhere else? Might be an unaccounted for sock if so. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 18:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:The edit summaries (most of them were machine generated it seems, but a few were accusations of COI, move vandalism, ...). BTW, thank you for not letting my oppose stop you from working together like here, I've always tried to forget whoever supported or opposed me in particular discussions (even RFAs) as to not let that cloud later actions or interactions, and it's nice to see others act the same. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 18:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::Always. (Honestly, I'm glad you voted as you did. A well-earned oppose from someone you respect is a badge of honour.) -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 19:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:::And it's more realistic to be 99.5% perfect than to be 100% perfect! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Oh, and about the hostility, see [[User talk:Repulsive hegemony card]] (section "Answer Me !! My Lowkey opinion whats going on with you @[[User:Frost]] &[[User:Fram|Fram]]", direct link doesn't work. Top of the talk page says "humanist", but apparently not then... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
:Geez. I spent a while yesterday trying to figure out what was going on with all the page moves in their contribution history, but I decided I was too tired to work it out and gave up. Glad to see some admins have popped by in the meantime. Can't imagine they'll keep their talk page access for long. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 16:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
== Unreliable Sources- Appendix N ==
Hi,you've flagged the Appendix N article with unreliable sources. Please could you specify which sources so they can be investigated? [[Special:Contributions/46.208.1.154|46.208.1.154]] ([[User talk:46.208.1.154|talk]]) 14:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
:Blogs, fandom wiki, perhaps others (I haven't checked them all, but if there are fora, fan websites, personal websites from non-recognised experts, ... then these as well). [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for clarifying, Fram. How does it look to you now? I have removed the fandom wiki and one of the blog references. I left one blog reference in for the blog by games designer Martin Ralya in the "Legacy and cultural impact" section at the end as I thought it provided evidence of a notable person's involvement, but we can remove that as well if you think it is holding the article back from having the flag removed. [[User:Silverwood|Silverwood]] ([[User talk:Silverwood|talk]]) 15:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
:::I think [https://jeffro.wordpress.com/2015/10/12/appendix-n-survey-complete/ this] needs to go, and I don't see the value of [https://therpgpundit.blogspot.com/2014/10/screw-appendix-n.html this]. A link to a store[https://goodman-games.com/store/product/dungeon-crawl-classics-84-peril-on-the-purple-planet-pdf/] to make some point that this release is related to Appendix N, even though it nowhere says that, seems more like [[WP:OR]] than something worth including. Yes, the inspirations for D&D will inspire D&D, that seems rather logical. The Hugo Award nomination can be removed as well, as the article clearly notes that they are a mockery of the original process, making nominations virtually worthless or meaningless. I doubt that the inclusion of [https://sanctum.media/blog/ this] is warranted either, a random blog (of some quality). Otherwise feel free to remove the tag, it's just my opinion. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
::::These are all fair points. The release in question was a different RPG rather than D&D, and was directly inspired by Appendix N rather than by D&D, but your point is correct that the link does not support the claim, so it needs a better source or it should be removed. I will remove all of those links you have mentioned and will remove the relevant text unless I can find better sources before I consider removing the tag. It's for the best if people don't remove these kind of tags without getting input from a second editor first, so thanks for the input. [[User:Silverwood|Silverwood]] ([[User talk:Silverwood|talk]]) 17:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
== Question on reliability of a certain source ==
Hello again, I wanted to once again make some changes to the article for [[Contern]] this time adding stuff about the economy, and I stumbled across a source which looked useful, [https://luxtoday.lu/en/knowledge/contern-commune-in-luxembourg|this]. And while the data itself seems mostly sound and well sourced, one of the sections is literally directly copied from what I wrote in the article right here on wikipedia. So before using it I thought it would be best to ask you if that disqualifies the source from being usable, thanks [[User:N1TH Music|N1TH Music]] ([[User talk:N1TH Music|talk]]) 14:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
:It's hard to be certain, but it looks computer-generated to me. Something like "The town boasts great schools, like the Contern Um Ewent Primary School, " while noting further down that this is the only school, is bizarre if it was written by a human. Compared to e.g. [https://luxtoday.lu/en/knowledge/leudelange-commune-in-luxembourg] from the same site, I note e.g.
*"Contern presents the advantage of offering a pleasant rural environment, close to nature and removed from the hustle and bustle of the capital, yet conveniently located just a short distance away, with considerably more affordable prices."
:vs.
*"Leudelange presents an appealing residential option, offering a village-like ambiance away from the hustle of the capital yet conveniently close, and with significantly more affordable prices. "
:This reads to me as AI-generated text, superficially different but using the exact same, rather hollow phrases. And it is typical for AI texts to take part of their info from Wikipedia, which makes it unreliable (circular referencing). So I wouldn't consider it a reliable source, but try to track down where it got its information from and you may find good sources (e.g. the history section of the Leudelange AI page is translated and slightly summarized from [https://www.leudelange.lu/fr/commune-de-leudelange/blog/vie-sociale/2020/08/leudelange-et-son-histoire here]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
::So I should try to track down the original source of the data of median income if I wish add the information to the article? [[User:N1TH Music|N1TH Music]] ([[User talk:N1TH Music|talk]]) 15:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
:::If that is even necessary for a 4000-person community. Not every last detail needs to be included. But if you want to include it, yes, either get a reliable primary source for it, or a newspaper or so commenting on it. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Alright yes I've found the primary source. And on the topic of whether it's necessary, I understand there's not much point to adding so much information to an article about a small commune but surely if it's all correct, encyclopedic and well sourced then there's nothing detrimental about adding it if I so please, especially since editing wikipedia is merely a hobby for me afterall. But also I was inclined to add this information after hearing some friends of mine discussing which communes were the richest, so this seems to be pretty useful information. And wouldn't having articles which have loads of detailed information about every aspect of them as is the case for Contern or also say [[Siddington, Gloucestershire]] set a precedent that all articles about similar municipalities and towns should strive to be of similar quality. If in the future, all articles about parishes in England were written to the same standard as Siddington, that's beneficial for wikipedia no? [[User:N1TH Music|N1TH Music]] ([[User talk:N1TH Music|talk]]) 16:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Also one more thing, I've noticed Contern is still listed as a stub, when it obviously no longer is. How does one go about changing that? Thanks [[User:N1TH Music|N1TH Music]] ([[User talk:N1TH Music|talk]]) 20:59, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::I don't see it listed as a stub? Normally, near the bottom you would have a stub template (Luxembourg-stub or something similar), you can simply remove this once the article is no longer a stub. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::Well a while ago I removed the template there but on the talk page it still says the article has been evaluated as stub class on wikiproject:Luxembourg. I’m wondering as to how it can be reevaluated. [[User:N1TH Music|N1TH Music]] ([[User talk:N1TH Music|talk]]) 09:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I removed it. Evaluation is not really that important between stub and GA/FA, no one really cares if an article is C-class or B-class. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
== Declined speedy deletion ==
Hi Fram, I declined your [[WP:CSD#A3]] nomination for [[St. Mary's Cemetery (Washington, D.C.)]] because the page is not devoid of content, and meets the bare minimum standard for a stub. As a friendly reminder, "no content" as stated in A3 means "no content at all, in any form", which was not the case here. If you believe the topic lacks notability, please use a different deletion process. Thanks, <sup>[[User:ComplexRational|'''<span style="color:#0039a6">Complex</span>''']]</sup>/<sub>[[User talk:ComplexRational|'''<span style="color:#000000">Rational</span>''']]</sub> 14:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
:I just posted on your talk page, basically your interpretation of A3 is incorrect, as it also includes articles which have nothing ''but'' a rephrasing of the title, as was here the case. The title and the one sentence were quasi-identical. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
== De-PRODing [[2015 World Youth Championships in Athletics – Boys' high jump]] ==
Hi, thank you for doing a PROD of [[2015 World Youth Championships in Athletics – Boys' high jump]]. I took a look at the article, and I don't think the PROD was justified. Part of the [[WP:PRODNOM]] process is to consider [[WP:ATD|alternatives to deletion]] before nomination, which includes improving the page by editing it. I found several independent sources covering the competition in-depth, for example [https://worldathletics.org/competitions/world-athletics-u18-championships/news/cali-2015-boys-high-jump1][https://www.correre.it/mondiali-allievi-oro-di-sottile-nel-salto-in-alto/][https://uzathletics.uz/news/news_post/9th-iaaf-world-youth-championships-4-den][https://www.gazzetta.it/Atletica/19-07-2015/atletica-mondiali-allievi-colombia-sottile-salto-sull-oro-dell-alto-220-120618419170.shtml?refresh_ce-cp][https://www.atleticabergamo59.it/press/150720Gazzetta.pdf], so I added them to the article. Thanks, --[[User:Habst|Habst]] ([[User talk:Habst|talk]]) 14:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
:[https://uzathletics.uz/news/news_post/9th-iaaf-world-youth-championships-4-den This] is hardly "in-depth" coverage of the Boys' high jump competition though. And [https://worldathletics.org/competitions/world-athletics-u18-championships/news/cali-2015-boys-high-jump1 this] obviously isn't independent so doesn't help for notability either. The others are comparable to what we had at the linked other AfD, i.e. discussion of one competitor, not really a discussion of the competition. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks -- that's fine, I just think the appropriate venue for discussion of these differences is at AfD. The gazzetta.it and corriere.it coverage certainly discuss many competitors, including all the medalists which is the focus of the article. I can't perform machine translation of the newspaper scan but it looks like many competitors are discussed there as well. --[[User:Habst|Habst]] ([[User talk:Habst|talk]]) 15:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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== My formal apology regarding something you don't care about (or even remember) ==
[[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Stop Trying|Remember this]]? Yeah, sorry about that. 4 years ago from now I was fresh into 9th grade when I wrote this article. I was very upset that it was deleted because I thought it was very funny. In fact, when I got the notification I chose not to look at it, and haven't looked at it since to spare myself the embarrassment. I've chose to keep it swept under the rug, but now I've decided to finally just own up to it. Pinging {{u|Johnuniq}}, {{u|Bduke}}, {{u|Thy Pyrometer}}, {{u|SmokeyJoe}}, and {{u|Hut 8.5}} who all commented on the MfD. Not that this matters at all, I'm just doing it for my sake, so I can finally stop pretending like this didn't happen.
This is me self-trouting myself for creating such a stupid article in the first place. I apologize for making it, and wasting your time with lousy, 9th-grader humor. I'm certain the article was a hard read. I think the worst part of all for me was that I cracked jokes at the expense of others, which looking back I did quite a lot unfortunately. I try to lead my life with a high regard to humility. I'm a changed man. I am funny now, I swear. I'm also very humble now. Very. No barnstars, please.
4 years may not seem like much of an age difference, but maturity-wise for teens it definitely is, and I hope you could forgive me for such a blunder. I hope you all can see me in a new light? Beyond whatever this article was? Because at this point I don't even remember what the article looked like (and at this point I never do). [[User:Panini!|<span style="color:#F40">Panini!</span>]] <span style="color:#F40">•</span> [[User talk:Panini!|🥪]] 06:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
:Hey, no problem, happy editing! [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 07:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
== English Qaballa ==
The sources say "discovered". Again, if you want to change it to "invented", you need to supply a source. Please stop edit warring without sources. [[User:Skyerise|Skyerise]] ([[User talk:Skyerise|talk]]) 15:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
:I asked for a reliable source for "discovered", and you provided Cath Thompson, "an English Qaballist and Stellar Magickian of thirty-seven years experience"[https://www.occultlibrary.org/caththompson], neither an independent nor a reliable source. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:2010 establishments in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines]]==
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:::{{ping|BGerdemann (WMF)}} thank you for coming here and the apology, it's never easy coming someone where you (or your organisation) gets scolded. I'll not respond in the survey, but thank you anyway. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|BGerdemann (WMF)}} as somehow you have signed this, but haven't sent this? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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:::One would hope that they would look beyond mere edit count, but oh well... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Saw this accidentally. I did the survey, and one screen is all about why one hasn't run for admin. I am also a former admin, so this was annoying. Off-wiki, an admin who was selected to do the survey says the corresponding screen in the version they got was about whether they enjoy being an admin. WMF staffers are horribly, insultingly oblivious. In addition ... the survey I got asked me whether I had done moderation/admin work on other websites. And had a box to list them! {{pb}}Have you ever received an apology from the WMF for being desysopped and blocked? [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 22:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::I didn't even receive an apology for this invitation, never mind for the ban (quite an honour to be the only one ever to receive that kind of ban though). I don't expect one either, an explanation would be a nice start. That the survey is problematic doesn't come as a surprise, and the conclusions they will draw from it will not follow from the raw numbers at all, if it follows the habits they acquired over the years. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, they are so consistently incompetent, it's effectively part of their identity. That's shameful. I had hoped someone from the WMF would at least have apologised to you personally. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 09:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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== Speedy deletion nomination of Dawn's Landscape XL ==
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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged [[Dawn's Landscape XL]] for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a [[Wikipedia:Namespace|namespace]] that's not for articles.
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== Resubmitting drafts ==
Hi again Fram. I am posting this here rather than Safari's tp because it has nothing to do with their reviews. If you want to resubmit a draft on behalf of another user, you can use <nowiki>{{subst:submit|Creator's username}}</nowiki>, then accept (or even if you are not sure but think another review is warranted by another reviewer). The other option is to click the Resubmit button then change the User (u=) from your name to theirs. That way they will get the AfC communications rather than you. [[User:S0091|S0091]] ([[User talk:S0091|talk]]) 19:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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== @Fram taking up the battle vs SafariScribe ==
Hello @Fram - thank you for taking the battle for the newbies against SafariScribe. I received a rejection from SafariScriber a few days ago on [[Draft:Phil Rinaldi]] based on WP:CNG and possible promotional tone. The article is not promotional at all and I doubt that Rinaldi would be very happy to see it. However, it is about a important man who has flown under the radar for decades while controlling very large businesses (some with bad outcomes). I read your research thread on SafariScribe's talk page and feel that something is a bit off with the reviewer. I would like to get your opinion on my article if you have time. Best regards. Also I see that S0091 is in the mix above (I have history with the editor and respect his/her opinions). [[User:Refineryguycanada|Refineryguycanada]] ([[User talk:Refineryguycanada|talk]]) 14:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:I've raised the issue at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. I just read your post. I will hope for the best.
::Please do take a look at my Phil Rinaldi article and let me know if you think I have problems with it when you can. Best regards [[User:Refineryguycanada|Refineryguycanada]] ([[User talk:Refineryguycanada|talk]]) 17:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
== Capitalization campaign? ==
It's funny that you accuse me of a capitalization campaign. Mostly I'm going the other way, and being accused of a lowercasing campaign. In general, just trying to get it right, and to avoid piping through miscapitalized redirects such as [[Ij (digraph)]]. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 16:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:I know why you do it, and how you misuse "miscapitalization" (a lowercase character isn't a "miscapitalization" at all). And your campaign is ''about'' capitalization, whether uppercasing or lowercasing. You don't seem to have learned a lot from your previous blocks for all of this. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::It isn't even indicated as a miscapitalization (because, spoiler, it isn't), it is listed as an "other" capitalization, which you certainly should leave well alone. Aren't there enough actual errors on this website which you can focus on instead of this meaningless and annoying busybody work? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::It was tagged as a miscapitalization for a bit, until yesterday. Long enough for me to notice and do some fixes. The trouble is that the lowercase "ij" doesn't make a good article title as it comes out "Ij"; and piping is needed in any case, so there's no need to link the miscapitalized Ij. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 18:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::::No piping was or is needed, no idea why you keep repeating this. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 18:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Maybe [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ij_(digraph)&action=history this edit] will help. It at least makes the "other" somewhat more sensible. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 18:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::I've tried to explain the difference but it seems to fall on deaf ears. I regularly find myself fixing their usage of rcats for example. [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 13:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
"Don't edit war" would also be my advice to you. The point of fixing links to miscapitalized redirects such as [[Ij (digraph)]] is to get them off the report of linked miscapitalizations. When such a link is piped, it's completely pointless to not instead pipe directly through the article title. If we don't fix such things, the maintenance report can't be whittle down, so serves no purpose. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 18:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:It isn't a miscapitalized redirect, it is a different, valid capitalization. if you have some maintenance report that includes links which have no issue at all and don't need any maintenance, then change your report, don't change the mainspace. We have had this discussion in the past already, you are not doing maintenance, you are just doing utterly pointless, watchlist- and history-polluting edits. I would urge you to stop this. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 18:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
== Let me just add the sources, what kind of vandalising are you talking about? ==
These platforms and projects are real and matter to the local Yugoslav region, I am referencing proof and adding to the pages as more information as I can, allow me few days to make them shiny please. [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 15:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:There is zero evidence for any of this. None at all, for either the party or the radio. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::What evidence would you like? The party isn't a party per-se, it's an organisation with around 700 members and it wasn't, isn't and won't be registered in any political party registry. I never categorised it as a political party, you didn't let me finish the pages, thus I apologise for using the live pages as my sandbox - just helped me edit with more attention.
::On the radio, it existed since 2010 and I have full evidence regarding this. It had a Facebook page with around 8000 likes before it got removed for sharing Palestinian anti-zionist propaganda, like the ideologies of the organisations say, they're both left-wing and political.
::For Radio Yugoslavia, I have more than 1K of newsletter members, about the same for our music label, it's a whole structure that I was just starting to record here - finding it via normal Google searching won't return you anything back, thus I would once again apologise for using live pages as my sandbox, and please simply allow me to do it once more (this time I'll use references, historic articles, etc) and publish it during this week, and if you find it as a hoax or anything similar you're mentioning there, then feel free to remove them both and simply not have them exist here.
::Also, public appearance and presence online on pop-social media doesn't equal organisation legitimacy, just saying. At this very moment I have around ~100 listeners to the Radio Yugoslavia Jazz channel. This costs us money, and trying to get here will just help spread the word about the people who're curious in learning about one niche, but legit organisation from the region of Yugoslavia. [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 16:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::If there is zero evidence that this actually exists (and no, having a webpage which isn't even linked from anywhere else is not evidence of "existing"), the sources in the article are not about the subject, and the subject itself is highly unlikely (you are aware that Yugoslavia has been gone for 30 years?), and even the website is hardly active (half the pages are 404 errors), then why should we trust your word (as a 10-year editor who only registered last month?) that any of this is actually real and that somehow all those foreign ministries, embassies, ... know and care about your existence? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]], I see another admin has since deleted the page as a hoax. I don't think it's a hoax as we define them, so I think that particular action was wrong, but I don't think this article ever had much hope of being a Wikipedia article. You'd have to show that the topic was ''notable'' - ie, that secondary sources talk about it. This is the same thing that would satisfy Fram about it being a hoax, so in the end I suppose it doesn't much matter which criteria it was deleted under. If you don't have enough sources to meet the guidelines at [[WP:NCORP]], we can't have an article on the topic. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 16:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::No, that was trash words from my sandbox. I can reference everything, and about the website - I'm currently the only sysadmin so working everything step by step. Yugoslavia has been indeed gone for lots of decades, however this is an organisation which is active in the region of Yugoslavia, not the country.
::::Would it be okay for you to give me another chance where I don't get out of the sandbox, I appropriately reference everything as the projects and organisations have changed names, domains over the span of 1.5 decades, and simply publish everything on live pages as it should be, and then you decide if it's good or no?
::::Would appreciate it a lot. [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 16:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::The substack was created 4 days ago[https://radioyugoslavia.substack.com/]"Radio Yugoslavia Radio Yugoslavia is an international media organisation which is owned by the Communist Pirate Party of Yugoslavia, and broadcasts news, music, podcasts and more content in English language. By Andrijan · Launched 4 days ago". Everything points to something brand new, created as a joke. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Like I mentioned, I will reference everything as we've changed platforms several times. I'm gonna do it in my sandbox, reference everything like I should've the first time, include also several pages which proves our existence such as:
::::::https://ra.co/events/1307399 (just letting you know, 170 purchases on [[Resident Advisor]] aren't a low number, especially for the ___location)
::::::https://it.mk/najdete-makedonska-alternativna-muzika-vo-novata-prodavnitsata-na-podzemni-frekfentsii/
::::::Article about opening up the first digital music store in Macedonia, the most south country of the Yugoslav region back in 2012...
::::::Etc, etc. Sadly they were done under different domains, but as I said, we're restructuring now - we even have contributors that come from New York, USA that write music articles for us. [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 16:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::You're still going to need to find articles in mainstream sources that discuss the topic in order for it to meet [[WP:NCORP]]. Linking to a page about a rave or whatever isn't going to fulfil that. We mean things like newspaper articles. It looks like you're, well, underground. Underground things aren't typically able to meet the notability guidelines (see [[WP:42]]). -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 16:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::There is zero evidence that the brand new party (the article claimed October 2023, but the website is from October 2024, the radiostation is from a few days ago) has anything to do with these links, and even if the same people are behind it, so what? A party or organisation doesn't get credible or notable because 13 years ago the same people operated a music site or store. Your claims about being an organisation with CIA documents, 700 members, followers in embassies and foreign ministries, ... are all complete fabrications and fabulations as you haven't provided even one shred of evidence for any of these claims about the actual YCPP, not about ''different'' stuff. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::https://soundcloud.com/radioyugoslavia
::::::https://www.youtube.com/@radioyug
::::::2K followers here, removed every video as it was music and simply restarting it, that's all. Bit of difficult to find when searching online because there's still no presence as strong as 'Radio Yugoslavia' (we've run as 'frekvencii' which translates to frequencies in Yugoslav languages) but our first archive is on .info.tm ___domain ~ as I said, we were young back then and we grew together with our audience. Our audience staid, it's just our pop-social media got wrecked.
::::::https://web.archive.org/web/20121030083558/http://frekvencii.info.tm/
::::::There's also this, etc, etc.
::::::p.s. that's a mainstream source (it.mk) in Yugoslavia. The rave link I sent was simply to address the legitimacy and that this isn't any sort of hoax, you can see the logo and the prior name we used.
::::::Underground it was, but Radio Yugoslavia isn't underground anymore. It's why I came to Wikipedia. A regional page for Yugoslavia which is valid won't do any harm. [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 16:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::No, none of this helps show notability, sorry. We really could use some more editors working in Balkans topics in general, but I urge you to drop this one and to work on articles that already exist for now, until you get more used to how [[WP:N]] and [[WP:V]] work in practice. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 17:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Understood, sounds fair. Thank you both @[[User:Asilvering|Asilvering]] and @[[User:Fram|Fram]] for being calm with me and explaining where I'm wrong, I'm gonna be sure to slowly build the platform to the standards and seek press releases on some of our friendship organisation pages, just so we can have what's WP:N and WP:V in practise - in our Radio Yugoslavia practise, so one day it can be published.
::::::::Regarding edits, yes, I have written perhaps more than 50% of the Macedonian page of Josip Broz Tito under the Coolzrock username hahah. Those were times, like I said I haven't edited a thing for decades, so I apologise for just coming here and spamming - I shouldn't have left the sandbox in first place until I finished everything that's publicly available, but hey, it happens - It'll be time when it's good to go for the English Wiki.
::::::::Thanks again and see you around! [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 17:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::"press releases on some of our friendship organisation pages" won't help one bit to show [[WP:N|notability]], you need to read [[WP:RS]] to see what is needed. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::None of this is about the party or even mentions it? You seem to have a [[WP:COI]] with the musician Likvidator, who has a small following and posts on these channels (and a youtube channel with 2000 followers and 300 views total is dubious anyway). How would any of these links convince me that the claims you made in the article about the party are in any way believable? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::The party had a huge event on Facebook and Instagram, the Facebook event is lost because we got our page blocked. Here is for example Ontal with him tagging us, but it's just gone in thin air. I don't know if there's some archival tool for Facebook pages, the URL was /frekvencii. About Likvidator, that is my alter-ego I've been using since 2015 to make underground [[illbient]] music. Under the umbrella of Radio Yugoslavia, we have a music label called [https://milicija.bandcamp.com Milicija] (.org website in progress), where you'll find more techno and stuff there from my more known moniker DJ Bazootka and more artists from around the world.
::::::::The party was crashed by the cops last moment. The ___location wasn't published until the last hour, and we got axed by a member of BTKRSH that was responsible for reporting the police legally to the police. Yes, despite being called Illegal - it was only marketing of course, simple basic legal registration of such a huge event (back then for a rave) was a must, however what happened happened... it's now in the past.
::::::::There were even some memes floating back in the times about Rawrave even being a reality. Yeah... Hit me up on private if you're into techno, I'm gonna send you links of stories so you can see the locations/etc.
::::::::https://www.instagram.com/p/CKUXJQJLR9l/
::::::::Ahhh, those were good times. But learnt a lot, would do it xBillion times better now with all under my experience. [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 17:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::https://www.facebook.com/ontalmusic/posts/tonightrawrave-skopje-raves-illegal/2509863225770598/ [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 17:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Ah yeah, also, everyone from the line-up was a local underground DJ with exception of [[E-Saggila]], she was our only international guest, but she cancelled her whole tour like two weeks before the rave date. So yeah, it is what it is. Also, I must mention, I'm not any sorta DJ - I got on the lineup through an adventure, it shouldn't have never been me there, I was the organiser and backbones of this, I'm a producer mostly in the music sphere. I have no freaking clue how to DJ. [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 17:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::As I expected, again nothing about the YCPP, only about your music and radio station. Please stop posting links to things ''not'' even mentioning the party, never mind supporting the claim in the deleted article about it; it doesn't interest me one iota, and makes it only more obvious that your claims about the party were wishful thinking. Oh, and if you intend to continue to contribute here, please see [[WP:COI]]; it is best not to write about your own creations, organisations, work, ... in Wikipedia articles. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::The structure page isn't public so you can view it, however, it's YCPP/KPPJ > Radio Yugoslavia > Milicija + sublabels. Either way, I forgot I was proving the existence of the KPPJ/YCPP, I just dived into the talk.
::::::::::Have a nice day/night ahead, and see you around Wiki. [[User:NemorosusMens|NemorosusMens]] ([[User talk:NemorosusMens|talk]]) 17:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
== Re:quotes in question to Primefac ==
Hi Fram. Would you consider linking to the statements you're highlighting in your question to Primefac? I definitely recall reading them, but I didn't find {{tqq|as I was recused from the get-go I was not following the case}} when looking at the talk page of the decision or the proposed decision, on the questions page, or in his candidate statement (I did not search for the second quote). The context may be helpful to others as they consider your question and Primefac's response. Thanks for the consideration, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 17:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking, done. If there are other things I should link, just let me know. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
== [[Jorge Kurchan]] ==
Hi Fram,
I wanted to seek your opinion on whether this submission should be accepted at AfC given the current sourcing. Five citations are directly from the French Wikipedia, one from Google Scholar, and several others are authored by the subject. I would appreciate your perspective on this.
Regards. [[User:HitroMilanese|<b style="color:Green; font-family:Times New Roman">Hitro</b>]][[User Talk:HitroMilanese|<b style="color:#FF00FF; font-family:courier; font-size:small"> talk</b>]] 21:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:Moved back to draft, should obviously not have been accepted like that (notable subject though). [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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== Talk:Qaboos bin Said. ==
Hi Fram. It seems maybe there's canvassing going on in the Rfc. I don't know, but if you look at the history page of the instigator it could look like a SPA with prior experience here. Best regards [[User:Ip says|Ip says: Work Better yes.]] ([[User talk:Ip says|talk]]) 13:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hi IP says, while it's of course impossible to rule out canvassing, the people who have commented are experienced, long-term editors and I see no reason to believe that they were canvassed. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::I apologise for the inconvenience, thanks for looking at it. [[User:Ip says|Ip says: Work Better yes.]] ([[User talk:Ip says|talk]]) 13:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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== African English and AI (ANI) ==
Just a heads-up: A lot of the linguistic quirks associated with LLMs are also associated with English in Africa (most notably "delve" and Nigeria). Given who was on the other end of mturk and the various other low budget, mass action training platforms that underpinned the AI boom it makes sense... but also means that when the context is English speakers in Africa, word choice is a less suitable AI-indicator than usual. [[User:Twochutes|Twochutes]] ([[User talk:Twochutes|talk]]) 16:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:Could be, but it's not only the choice of words, it's also the use of many words to convey very little. In the end, it doesn't really matter. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::Agreed it's likely here nor there, simply an FYI! [[User:Twochutes|Twochutes]] ([[User talk:Twochutes|talk]]) 16:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
== Regarding Patsho ==
This topic has been already discussed last year. Regarding author, She is from Patsho village currently resides in Tuensang. Sports: self research includes. Could you please move back? I can work on this. [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 17:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:"self research" = [[WP:OR|original research]], which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. The author; the source doesn't mention Patsho, and the only source I could find gave a different village. The article needs lots of work before it is ready for the mainspace. And in general, ''please'' check all the weblinks of your sources, way too many don't work at all, in all your articles. E.g. in [[Lümuoking]], the first source gives me [https://www.indiagrowing.com/Topbet369/ this], in [[Ahangküha]] you have (besides Linkedin, which you really shouldn't use as a source) things like [https://wwwe.lib.cam.ac.uk/nagas/record/r68552.html/ this] error, [https://www.google.com/search?q=the+pangsha+letter&oq=the+pangsha+letter&aqs=chrome..69i57.11816j0j9&client=ms-android-vivo&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 this] Google search (link to the actual website please, not to Google search). [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::History of Patsho:
::Starting from Panso which is an exonym. You will find this in the books of ''The Pangsha letter'' or ''Through the unexplored mountains of Assam-Burma border''. Then there exist Pathso A, Pathso B, Panso Town. After some years ''Pathso Nokeng'' and ''Pathso'' came into being. later ''Ekhao'' was bifurcated from ''Pathso B''.
::The spelling of ''Patsho'' was evolved with the inception of ongoing ''Patsho Khiamniungan dictionary project''. If I am not mistaken we had discussed this already last year.
::Above all, it's a right thing to deliver what needs to be done on Wikipedia. I believe you did the same moving this Patsho page to draft space, if this does not meet Wikipedia standard. I gave my best on this article thinking its my own village. Still I couldn't make it. Let's others work on this and I am sure, they can make bring out the best. 🙏🏻 [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 17:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::Okay. I will check your concern on [[Lümuoking]] and [[Ahangküha]]. [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Hello Sir
:::I deleted all your concerns and resolved the issues on Sources. Please keep as it is for now. I will keep working constantly. Thank you. [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 00:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::No you didn't, I have no idea why you claim you did. I have no idea what "The nomenclature Patsho is a cryptogenic origin " means, I have no idea what you mean with "Friendliness especially towards outsiders or foreigners excel in the olden days." and the source for that doesn't work, and I stopped and readded the "rewrite needed" taf which you previously removed, as the article is a complete mess and needs complete checking and rewriting. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::And when you use sources like [https://wwwe.lib.cam.ac.uk/nagas/record/r74310.html this] please indicate on which page one can verify the information. I couldn't easily find anything about Paksho in there, but with a page number or numbers it would be more feasible to actually check. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Regarding "The nomenclature Patsho is a cryptogenic origin ", what I supposed to mean is that, till now have not found in any books or other sources who actually coined the term "Patsho". I tried asking villagers as many as possible but the result is still negative. That's the reason why I concluded "cryptogenic origin", like obscure/unknown. You may please rewrite the sentence accordingly. [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 19:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::One request, could you please not mind reverting an article on "Hokthie"? The exact word Hokthie can't be found in sources at the moment but that's what we actually called. It is written according to our dictionary so you may not find elsewhere. As you may have seen in picture too, that it's not exactly leggings? So better use Hokthie for now and shall we keep this article going if you don't mind? [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 19:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::If there are no sources for Hokthie, then it shouldn't have an article. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay then let's leave it. We can publish it when there is a source. [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 11:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::I now checked [https://pahar.in/pahar/Books%20and%20Articles/Indian%20Subcontinent/1938%20Explored%20Mountains%20of%20Assam-Burma%20Border%20by%20Haimendorf%20from%20GJv91%20s.pdf this] with the page number you gave. You use it to reference three statements; the one "Friendliness especially towards outsiders or foreigners excel in the olden days." is based on one writer who was welcomed, and described a feast they gave ''after the burning of a neighbouring village". An anecdote makes no rule, and burning villages is hardly excelling at friendliness. The second statement you reference is copied literally from the source, which is a [[WP:COPYVIO]] and not allowed. And the third, about the two exogamous clans Shiu and Lam: the source says there are 3, not 2 such clans, and doesn't name them. Like I said, the article needs complete checking and rewriting. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Regarding the clans please check [[https://www.google.com/search?q=tribal+affairs+shiu+and+lam+marriage&oq=tribal+affairs+shiu+and+lam+marriage+&aqs=chrome..69i57.18480j0j9&client=ms-android-vivo&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#vhid=zephyr:0&vssid=atritem-https://repository.tribal.gov.in/bitstream/123456789/75173/1/oral_history.pdf|this]]. Both the sources differs. But I support the two largest clans as we now live by this. ''Could you please help Sir, I cannot directly linked it as reference'', it just appear list of web pages.
:::::::I will delete the ''friendliness tag'' as I revisit the page. [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 11:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I instead rephrase the sentence that may seem more acceptable. Actually there were two people visiting the village together. One is the reference I have given and the other person is the one who is associated with "The Pangsha letter".(Google Search). If I am not mistaken, some sepoys? came along with them and a person to aid translation from other neighbouring community by the name ''Chingmak''?. If you are interested, you may find about the ''burning villages'' a bit more in detail here.
::::::::Above all, Thanks for helping me get to know Wikipedia more and more. [[User:ExfactoLexander|ExfactoLexander]] ([[User talk:ExfactoLexander|talk]]) 11:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== AfD ==
I have seen you nominated for deletion some wrestling articles. Just in case, the user also created other similar articles. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anthony_Pi%C3%B1eiro] [[User:HHH Pedrigree|HHH Pedrigree]] ([[User talk:HHH Pedrigree|talk]]) 22:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, I'll first wait and see how these two AfDs go! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== [[Alon Mindlin]] ==
I read your remark and added 8 articles about his contribution to chess; the reason I did not so before is because they are written in Hebrew, a ninth mentioning Mindlin is in Spanish. I am trying to find similar articles in English. [[User:Yoavd|Yoavd]] ([[User talk:Yoavd|talk]]) 02:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you. I can't access all of them and some are just passing mentions[https://www.ice.co.il/career/news/article/921325], but something like [https://www.calcalist.co.il/local_news/article/ryqs5itrn this] really has information about him and is great to use. While of course it would be easier if we had sources in English, this is not a requirement at all and articles may be completely based on non-English sources. It would be great if you could integrate some of these in the article as references, but that's just advice, not some obligation :-) Thank you! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== ANI ==
Do you want me to revdel that section in the meantime? I presume it's to do with the blocked editors. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 13:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:It's already suppressed, very swift work by the suppression team, thanks! And thank you Black Kite for the offer, would have been good otherwise. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:I already did, BK, and I believe it's been suppressed. Was under active discussion on the -en-revdel IRC channel. Thanks for reverting it, Fram. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|⚇]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|♔]] 13:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:: So my next question is; did Explicit see my final warning for his ''really'' nasty personal attack on Liz? Hmmm. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 13:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::You can always post it on his talk page. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::And if I recall correctly, it was not only a nasty PA but a badly sexist one at that. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::No problem, was a bit amazed it stayed up for so long, but apparently multiple editors were thinking the same as me at about the same time, e.g. [[User_talk:Explicit#You've_got_mail]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, honestly I was a bit too, I was working on redacting the usernames when I saw that you had just removed the thread (a more than reasonable call). I think the oversighters might restore the thread, with the sensitive info in question redacted. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|⚇]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|♔]] 13:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::[[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Liz_is_wheel_warring|Section has been restored, with the appropriate redactions]]. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|⚇]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|♔]] 13:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1962 establishments in Montenegro]]==
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A tag has been placed on [[:Category:1962 establishments in Montenegro]] indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a [[:Category:Disambiguation categories|disambiguation category]], a [[:Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories|category redirect]], under discussion at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]], or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under [[WP:CSD#C1|section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion]].
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may '''contest the nomination''' by [[:Category:1962 establishments in Montenegro|visiting the page]] and removing the speedy deletion tag. <!-- Template:Db-catempty-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 11:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
== The recent drought page split suggestions ==
What is reason under which the 1950s--1960s North American drought should be broken in two? And why doesn't Wikipedia treat the page as one? [[User:Tropical Storm Angela|<span style="color:purple">Angela Kate Maureen</span>]] [[User talk:Tropical Storm Angela|<span style="color:pink">Pears</span>]] 17:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:All the sources you list treat them as two separate events (or more precisely, deal with either the 1950s one, or the 1960s one), so why should we turn them into one? [[WP:SYNTH]] comes into play here, don't lump things together when reliable sources don't treat them as one. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
== Accidental recreation of [[Big and medium cats in Sindh]] ==
Hi Fram, it looks like I accidentally recreated an article I was editing it at while you moved it to draftspace. Then you draftified the duplicate, which has since been un-draftified by the creator, so now we have both [[Big and medium cats in Sindh]] and [[Draft:Wild felids in Sindh]]. One of them should be deleted (or history-merged?), the mainspace article has already been draftified and un-draftified once, and I'm not sure of the proper next steps. Does a CSD apply here? Does PROD apply here? Does this need AfD? I don't know, and I'm hoping you do. Thanks! --[[User:Rchard2scout|rchard2scout]] ([[User talk:Rchard2scout|talk]]) 07:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hi! [[Draft:Wild felids in Sindh]] needs to be hist-merged with [[Big and medium cats in Sindh]] (not a good title I think). While I'm no fan of the article, I think it would survive an AfD, so I just leave it alone... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, I've tagged it as such. --[[User:Rchard2scout|rchard2scout]] ([[User talk:Rchard2scout|talk]]) 08:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
== Speedy deletion declined: [[:Amar Hoskote]] ==
Hello Fram. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:Amar Hoskote]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I think we should let [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amar Hoskote]] run its course. {{reply to|Fram}} While this speedy decline is not specifically intended to annoy you, it may well have that effect. [[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 🦘 10:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC). Thank you. [[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 🦘 10:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:J'adoube.--[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 🦘 11:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1806 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine]]==
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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may '''contest the nomination''' by [[:Category:1806 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine|visiting the page]] and removing the speedy deletion tag. <!-- Template:Db-catempty-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 22:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
== [[Portal:Romani people]] ==
That's a weird history of recreation of the portal, or, rather, of pages that masquerade as a portal. Thank you for finding it. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 19:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
:I had it on my watchlist from a previous incarnation :-) [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 20:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
::The originator has been blocked as a sockpuppet of {{noping|HipHopVisionary}}. I will note in the MFD that it can be [[WP:G5|G5]]. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 01:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
:::It seems like half the problematic creations I come across turn out to be by socks... Thank you! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1998 establishments in the Cayman Islands]]==
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== Éitermillen ==
I’m genuinely surprised to see Eitermillen nominated for deletion. I though I had found enough sources. But I do know of more citations that could be used so I wish to ask, do you believe that there is any potential to establish notability or is it a lost cause in your mind because having once again reread [[WP:GEOLAND]] I Would have thought that it’s got the potential to be notable or am I missing something? Thanks [[User:N1TH Music|N1TH Music]] ([[User talk:N1TH Music|talk]]) 12:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:Do you have any sources that are actually discussing Eitermillen at some length. Do you have any source for your claims about it previously being Maulin Diderich, but now something else? Perhaps it isn't a lost cause, but the sources you used so far are not sufficient at all. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yeah that seem fair enough, in hindsight I do seem to be extrapolating the relaocation of the settlement. Like it’s clear that that is the case but yeah there are no sources which '''explicitly''' say so. Would it be possible to redirect or re-draftify it in the meantime whilst I try to search for more sources. [[User:N1TH Music|N1TH Music]] ([[User talk:N1TH Music|talk]]) 12:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Best to say that you agree to redirecting at the AfD so it's clear for everyone. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
== A cup of coffee for you! ==
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Thank you! Yes, they not only continue socking, but they continue making the same errors over and over again, including copyright violations. Usually by the time I spot them they have already received some warnings and got some pages draftified, even without the socking they would be a problematic editor. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
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== An extra set of eyes would be appreciated at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Friedjof]] ==
You reported the last sock making low quality German politican BLPs - does the account I noticed look like him? Citing the same site, making edits in the same niche three categories. [[User:Jellyfish|<small style="color:#0080FF;background:#EAEAFF;border:2px solid;border-radius:4px;padding:0 4px">jellyfish</small>]] [[User talk:Jellyfish|✉]] 21:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:2010s establishments in Timor-Leste]]==
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== CfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 1#Establishments in Iran, pre-1935|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 1 § Establishments in Iran, pre-1935]] ==
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Thank you! And likewise ;-) [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== IP block strikes again ==
{{unblock reviewed|accept=IPBE granted. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇]]</small></sup> 16:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)|See [[User talk:Fram/Archive 41#IP range block]], and the second unblock for one year lower in the same archive. I seem to be permanently stuck on this range, without much possibilities to influence this... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC) }} [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
{{ping|Jpgordon}} thanks!! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== CfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 4#Category:1727 establishments in Mongolia|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 4 § Category:1727 establishments in Mongolia]] ==
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== [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 21#Category:Portal-Class Comics articles of NA-importance|Category:Portal-Class Comics articles of NA-importance]] ==
Hi Fram. Were you planning to nominate other such categories for deletion, or was there something special about Comics portals? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:No, I have also nominated [[:Category:NA-Class amphibian and reptile articles of NA-importance]] and the much larger [[:Category:Category-Class United States articles of NA-importance]] already, and others may well follow when I come across them. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
::Would be more efficient to do a bulk nomination of all similar categories, no? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
== Qaboos ==
I have contributed to your RFC on Qaboos. But it would have been better not to start it. [[User:Cagliost|cagliost]] ([[User talk:Cagliost|talk]]) 11:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:It was removed before the RfC, with reference to the previous two RfCs. The only way to potentially get it included was a new RfC. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 11:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
== Wikiproject Black Metal as a task force of Wikiproject Metal ==
Hi, I'm ''Sparkle & Fade'', a member of [[WP:WikiProject Metal|WikiProject Metal]], and I saw you tagged [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Metal|WikiProject Black Metal]] as defunct recently. Considering the extreme lack of activity, I think it's perfectly reasonable to label it as defunct, but I'd like to propose merging it into WikiProject Metal as a [[WP:task force|task force]]. I think it would be reasonable considering Metal is already starting to slow down in terms of activity, and merging the Black Metal project into it could revitalize the project, at least to an extent. However, I'd appreciate your input on the subject, or whether or not it'd work. Thanks.{{break}}
:—[[User: Sparkle & Fade|''Sparkle and Fade'']] ([[User_talk:Sparkle & Fade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sparkle & Fade|contributions]]) 03:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Sparkle & Fade]], feel free to remove the defunct tag and try to revive it as a workgroup or taskfoce. While most such efforts sadly fail, there are always some good exceptions, and you can do no harm in trying. I have no opinion on whether there are enough editors willing to join the taskforce, my placement of the "defunct" tag had nothing to do with subject matter and just with lack of activity. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
== CfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 19#Natural disasters by year|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 19 § Natural disasters by year]] ==
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== Shobani Single ==
Dear @[[User:Fram|Fram]],
I’ve been closely monitoring the Shobani article you just edited on and have removed all unreliable citations. In their place, I’ve added several new, credible sources to reinforce the article's notability. These sources are from well-established publications, ensuring the content meets high standards of reliability.
I believe the article now clearly demonstrates Shobani's notability and is aligned with Wikipedia’s guidelines. Please let me know if you have any concerns.
Best,
@[[User:Kyledave2025|Kyledave2025]] [[User:Kyledave2025|Kyledave2025]] ([[User talk:Kyledave2025|talk]]) 09:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for reaching out to me. However, the article has multiple references to Instagram, the Shazam link to the top 50 doesn't contain Shobani, and the other sources seem legitimate but are just press releases or unreliable writing disguised as articles. [https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2024/12/09/khaleedthefirst-unveils-hoodaftrn-records-signs-dhor3z/] is breathless writing about a very minor achievement which "placed him alongside global icons like Taylor Swift", "shape the future of music", "become a powerhouse in the global music industry", "revolutionize the industry"... Album talks is a blog, and the article in The Nation is a typical error-riddled promo piece, starting from the title, "no. 21 on Shazam Global Chart": well, in one city, allegedly. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::I will check on all of this thanks again. [[User:Kyledave2025|Kyledave2025]] ([[User talk:Kyledave2025|talk]]) 10:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
== WikiProjects ==
WikiProject: How can I participate in the Geography Project? Thank you. Happy editing! ([[User:VVWiki8|VVWiki8]] ([[User talk:VVWiki8|talk]]) 15:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC))
:Hi! On [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography]], you can see a list of tasks they are working on, and you can add your name to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography#Project volunteers]]. If you have questions about the project, or about specific geography articles, you can discuss this at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::how are you? Thank you. But tell me to join the project by Sunday! Is it filling in geography articles? Or is there another condition? Thank you. Happy editing! ([[User:VVWiki8|VVWiki8]] ([[User talk:VVWiki8|talk]]) 16:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC))
:::I don't know what you mean by "tell me to join the project by Sunday", there is no deadline and no obligation to join a project. Their scope is improving all articles about geographical topics, creating articles about missing geographical topics, offering guidance or help on how to edit, structure, ... such articles... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, not until [[Sunday]], I'm confused. Are improving geography articles, fixing errors, getting help, and filling in gaps considered? What other [[WikiProjects]] are there? Thanks. Happy editing. ([[User:VVWiki8|VVWiki8]] ([[User talk:VVWiki8|talk]]) 16:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC))
:::::There are a few hundred active projects, you can find them through [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Directory]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Once again, thank you very much for your continued support. We wish there were more dedicated, loyal, truly patient, intelligent, and knowledgeable Wikipedians like you! Thank you. Happy editing! ([[User:VVWiki8|VVWiki8]] ([[User talk:VVWiki8|talk]]) 16:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC))
:::::::You're welcome! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you. Do you need help? If you need help, please write to me or my talk page! Thanks again. By the way, I would like to invite you to be friends. Please do not decline my invitation! ([[User:VVWiki8|VVWiki8]] ([[User talk:VVWiki8|talk]]) 16:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC))
==Copyright issues==
Hi! I have already fixed (or at least tried to) the copyright infringements on the pages that you pointed out ([[Georges Delolme]], [[Pedro Nolasco de Soto]], and [[Georges de Saint-Clair]]) by trimming, rephrasing, and synonyms. You specifically stated that Saint-Clair had "unattributed translations", so I added the template <nowiki>{{translated|fr|}}</nowiki>, which a bot has already moved to the talk page.
"Repeatedly been blocked for other issues", only twice, the first because of [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry|sockpuppetry]], which never happened again, and the second because someone '''wrongly''' assumed that I was using a bot to create pages.
Yes, I would like to avoid getting indefinitely blocked (Wiki is the sole purpose of my existence at this point), so I will be even more careful with copyright, and from now on, I will also start adding those <nowiki>{{translated|}}</nowiki> templates when necessary.
Kind regards. [[User:Barr Theo|Barr Theo]] ([[User talk:Barr Theo|talk]]) 06:16, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:I have responded on your talk page. Your claims ring rather hollow considering what you put in the mainspace after my message yesterday. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:42, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::I know I'm stepping on mighty tiny ice, that's why I wouldn't be stupid enough to create a page with copyright infringements. I simply moved [[Doroteo Elorriaga]] from draft to mainspace, after correcting the issue of this page, which was only "it needs more sources to establish notability". I did not realize that it already had copyrighted stuff (though I probably should have). So, when I said I would be more careful, I meant it. Wiki is my way of life, I can’t afford to lose it.
::"I fear that you will be indefinitely blocked from editing", I am assuming the reason why you fear this outcome is because you value my work in Wiki, or was that just a way of talking?
::King regards. [[User:Barr Theo|Barr Theo]] ([[User talk:Barr Theo|talk]]) 14:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
==2025 Special Honours==
I'm going to have to ask you to revert your edit to the 2025 Special Honours article. What's your personal scale for 'important' honours? The Imperial Service Medals listed are gazetted, which is more than any common medals and the standard measurement for significant awards, and have been listed on the special honours articles for quite some time so hardly a new addition. [[User:Takvaal|Takvaal]] was quite right with what he did by adding them. [[User:Nford24|Nford24]] ([[User Talk:Nford24|PE121 Personnel Request Form]]) 19:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:Important as in at the very least getting attention from independent sources, as happens with mbe´s, obe´s and so on. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 20:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
==Texas State Guard Achievement Medal==
Thanks for your notes on the [[Texas State Guard Achievement Medal]] article. I see what you mean on the sources. I moved the previous references to sources that were too closely associated with the subject to "External Links", and replaced them with reliable, independent, third-party sources. Does that look better?
[[User:Coronel Tejano|Coronel Tejano]] ([[User talk:Coronel Tejano|talk]]) 06:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
:Not really, I see no reliable sources which give any significant discussion of this award, only a repeat of the law or a commercial site describing what it looks like. What makes this award [[WP:N|notable]]?
== William ==
Is the proposed compromise I just made OK with you? I'm not trying to trap you into reverting, it's an honest attempt to compromise. If either you or Jimbo disagree I'll revert, so you don't get pinged for edit warring. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 19:24, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
:Fine by me. I think we should to include the Times source[https://www.thetimes.com/article/pea-is-for-positive-power-789w932q7g2] I found for the full name, and whichever source you or Jimbo or someone else thinks best for the dispute of it (not some source just saying that his name is William Adams, as that is common practice, omitting middle names like that happens for every celebrity). [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 19:31, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
== Public health article ==
Ok it's now entirely my own text--it's time to put back in main space. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 08:40, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
:Feel free! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:47, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
== Seizure of Shaun Allen's farm ==
Hi, you have moved this page to a draft - on the basis that "Criminal allegations against living people need much better sources than youtube, a forum which doesn't even mention journalist Mike White". The YouTube investigation took place long before Mike White started investigating the case. When Mike White did investigate, his piece was published in Noted.co.nz - which is now offline. However, I have still cited him on the article he wrote about wrongful convictions in Stuff in 2020.
Without access to Mike White's article in Noted, there is not much online about this case. Where does that leave us? [[User:Kiwimanic|Kiwimanic]] ([[User talk:Kiwimanic|talk]]) 10:11, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
:Without an article, I'm afraid. My edit summary referred to on the one hand two youtube clips on an obscure channel, and on the other hand a forum post on a cannabis site which didn't mention White, even though it was the reference for the White claims. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:47, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
::I will contact Mike White and ask him for a copy of his article. [[User:Kiwimanic|Kiwimanic]] ([[User talk:Kiwimanic|talk]]) 10:56, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
== Redirect ==
I saw this redirect [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planetary_parade&diff=prev&oldid=1272595585], but with due respect, I disagree. The original objective [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planetary_parade&oldid=1272515805] of the article was to focus on the 2025 Planetary Parade, which is hotly notable on its own, so I believe this topic deserves a standalone article. That said, I wouldn't mind the removal of the later additions. Best, – '''<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">[[User:Garudam|<span style="color: black;">'''Garuda'''</span>]]</span> '''<sup>[[User talk:Garudam|<span style="color: gray;">'''''Talk!'''''</span>]]</sup> 13:27, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
:An article on the 2025 planetary alignment (a term which seems to be more common and scientific than the "parade") may be feasible, but the article you had written on planetary alignments in general was inferior to the redirect target. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:54, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
::I agree, but the redirect target is completely different from this topic, so it doesn't serve the purpose. As for the inferior part, it can be addressed—I'll reframe the article. – '''<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">[[User:Garudam|<span style="color: black;">'''Garuda'''</span>]]</span> '''<sup>[[User talk:Garudam|<span style="color: gray;">'''''Talk!'''''</span>]]</sup> 14:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
== Vandalism? ==
Could you explain your revert of the article ''[[Hydnora africana]]'' on 09:28, 3 February 2025. The edit summary states "Rv vandalism" but none of the edits reverted appear, to me, to be vandalism. Some of the changes in your edit have re-introduced errors, for example:
*Multiple references to the same source
*[[MOS:CURLY]]
*Removal of italics from the the plant's name
It would appear that the description "vandalism" could be more appropriately applied to your edit. [[User:Maidenhair|Maidenhair]] ([[User talk:Maidenhair|talk]]) 12:38, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
:Your edits weren´t vandalism but collateral damage, the vandalism were the edits from the other editor I reverted and who had edited before and after you, making it hard to revert these separately. E.g. the paragraph starting with "however" was completely made up, despite the impressive looking source. Losing some layout improvements is a small price for the removal of completely favricated information. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:25, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
== commane ==
hey Fram, would you have any objection to the current redirect page [[Commane]] having a very small introduction for the root name Commán?
So it serves as a very short intro to the Ó Comáin page for the full details.
It would help with SEO for anyone googling Commane so they get to the Ó Comáin page.
Also if you agree, maybe I could also do this for the other variants? Thanks. [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 00:52, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of course I object, no idea why you can´t let it go. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 06:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::I see. I’m not here to push anything unnecessarily, and we won’t fall out over it.
::I'm just thinking of improving navigation for readers who are more likely to google "Commane" or one of its variants, rather than "Ó Comáin."
::The original page was renamed as you requested, but I think a short, neutral intro—similar to what exists for ''[[Cumin_(surname)]],'' ''[[Cowman (surname)]]'' and ''[[Cumings (surname)]]''—can help people find the right page. If there’s a particular issue with this approach, I’d be happy to collaborate.
::Thanks for your time. [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 13:04, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Those are disambiguation pages. We have no articles for multiple people named Commane, so we don´t have a page for Commane. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:27, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::::no, [[Cowman (disambiguation)]] is a disambiguation page - [[Cowman (surname)]] and the above links are surname pages [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 14:42, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::I see that the surname pages also like to wiktionary, in the same fashion we could also have a link to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/commane? [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 14:45, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::We have those surname pages ''because they function as disambiguation or navigation pages for people with that surname and with articles''. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:18, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::hence my original point for improving navigation, anyway have a think about it [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 15:41, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::There are no articles which need navigating to, the redirect does this perfectly. I´ld rather stop thinking about this and move on to other stuff. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 21:19, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::On the subject of "letting it go" (see your edit summary 14:32 today) it appears that you think that other editors should "let it go" if their view is different from yours but you never "let it go" if your view is different from theirs. Jimbo referred to {{xt|Fram's insistence, for which I can find no policy basis at all, not even a coherent case for it that is anything other than wanting to fight over it.}}
Policy does not prescribe the removal of the information you removed at 14:32, so why didn't you leave it in? [[Special:Contributions/156.61.250.249|156.61.250.249]] ([[User talk:156.61.250.249|talk]]) 16:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:Consensus at the talk page is clearly against you. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:58, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I don't see a consensus against providing this information. It was in the article continuously from inception on 21 May 2019 until it was removed without consensus on 3 August 2022 by a single-purpose account which edited for just 77 minutes. My guess is that the sole reason for the removal was that the information was not sourced. An editor added it back on 12 February 2023 and the following day it was removed, again on the ground that it was unsourced, by an editor who was later community banned for persistently removing sourced information. So the consensus at that time was that the information could be included provided it was sourced. Your comment to the editor responsible for the deletion was
{{talkquote|They got readded because you falsely claimed "Rm names of non-notables, unsourced" when the sources were there.}}
Once again, the consensus was to include the information provided it was sourced. Accordingly, the same day it was sourced and added back, only for the editor you criticised for removing sourced information to remove it again. There was then a talk page discussion on the issue - I and Escape Orbit supported the retention of the sourced information, you and the editor you criticised for removing sourced information supported its removal. There thus being no consensus to remove sourced information and the only objector (apart from yourself) having dropped his objection you are now in a minority of one. [[Special:Contributions/156.61.250.249|156.61.250.249]] ([[User talk:156.61.250.249|talk]]) 18:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:"the only objector (apart from yourself) having dropped his objection you are now in a minority of one." {{ping|Seasider53}} have you indeed dropped your objection? I see no evidence for this claim on the article or its talk page (to be clear, this is about [[Talk:Raymond Antrobus]], the IP just added this to an unrelated section). [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 18:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:Furthermore, {{user|Escape Orbit}} agreed to the year 1986, not to the use of company documents to add "November 1986". So that seems to be a second incorrect statement the IP made. Then, "an editor who was later community banned for persistently removing sourced information." no, they were banned for making personal attacks all the time. And the disagreement I had with Seasider was about the info on the children (or more specifically, the incorrect reason they gave for the removal, not so much the removal per se), not with the removal of the date. So it seems there isn't a lot of correct information in your post here. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 18:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::The most important point, which you are carefully avoiding mention of, is that '''nothing in policy prohibits the use of company documents to say that the subject was born in November 1986''' unless <font color="green">'''the subject himself objects'''</font>, and he doesn't. [[Special:Contributions/156.61.250.249|156.61.250.249]] ([[User talk:156.61.250.249|talk]]) 18:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think you’ve sealed your fate there. I fear the next episode of this show will be that you have an email from the subject saying it’s okay to include their full birthday. Consensus does appear to be against you. And to be clear, my edit summary of "Rm names of non-notables, unsourced" was correct because there were two changes I made in one edit. The unsourced part was further down in the diff, which I think not everybody saw. Maybe a semi-colon before the "unsourced" was needed, but we’re already dwelling on very minor things. [[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] ([[User talk:Seasider53|talk]]) 18:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::::And that edit summary was at the Paul Young article; don't know why it has been mentioned in this thread. [[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] ([[User talk:Seasider53|talk]]) 18:53, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} So you admit that without the email there is no policy violation whatsoever in writing "November 1986". [[Special:Contributions/156.61.250.249|156.61.250.249]] ([[User talk:156.61.250.249|talk]]) 18:56, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::Do you have a source for it other than the Companies House one? Hopefully one that wasn’t scraped from Wikipedia when the information was in the Antrobus article. We are talking about the Antrobus article now, right? [[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] ([[User talk:Seasider53|talk]]) 19:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::We know that the Companies House source was not scraped from Wikipedia, so instead of casting about for another source which ''might'' have been scraped from Wikipedia, why don't we just use the one we have? [[Special:Contributions/156.61.250.249|156.61.250.249]] ([[User talk:156.61.250.249|talk]]) 19:17, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Seems we've exhausted this conversation (on multiple pages now). [[User:Seasider53|Seasider53]] ([[User talk:Seasider53|talk]]) 23:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
== deleting an article ==
Reason for nominating to delete article of [[Asim Jawad]]? [[User:CaptShayan|CaptShayan]] ([[User talk:CaptShayan|talk]]) 12:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:Please read [[WP:N]]/[[WP:BIO]], and [[WP:BIO1E]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:03, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::Asim Jawad's death had enough media coverage in Bangladesh as all of the newspaper covered his death and it was broadcast on other medias too. I have provided enough sources for his article. Besides, he was a decorated officer thats why I feel his article shouldn't be deleted. [[User:CaptShayan|CaptShayan]] ([[User talk:CaptShayan|talk]]) 12:12, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably every military officer is a decorated officer, decorations are rather common in military circles (though some decorations are rare of course). And yes, all newspapers covered his death, that's [[WP:BIO1E]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:15, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Decorations are common yes but he has -
::::1. Sword of Honour (Awarded to best cadet of course)
::::2. Bangladesh Chief of Air Staff Certificate of Appreciation
::::3. India Chief of Air Staff Trophy for being the best in flying which was conducted by IAF, not BAF
::::Besides, he has also served in MONUSCO. I think these are enough to define an officer's worth for an article. Besides, before crashing he had an opportunity to eject but he rather chose to eject at a safe place which caused his death as he was late. If he ejected in right time he could have survived but it would kill hundreds of civilians, which also defines his bravery and patriotism. I think these reasons are enough to not delete his article. [[User:CaptShayan|CaptShayan]] ([[User talk:CaptShayan|talk]]) 12:21, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I disagree. In any case, this discussion belongs at the AfD, where others will give their opinions as well. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
== Charles (enslaved child) ==
I saw your edit summary on the page move, and wanted to point you to the citation leading to vol 6 of the Papers, page 486; the editors include in a long section of background information, and state "Erwin also detailed a slave purchase, with the idea of resale, from John Brahan, and another involving the purchase of a slave named Charles (b. 1793) from Dr. Benjamin Rawlings (d. 1825) of Sumner County." I just wanted to reassure you that the connection between "Rollings," and "old Rawlings," and Benjamin Rawlings was not my conclusion, but one made by professional Jackson scholars. Have a blessed day. [[User:Jengod|jengod]] ([[User talk:Jengod|talk]]) 14:31, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:The section where you made the connection sourced to Vol 1 and 2 though, where no such connection was made. Even here, I should recheck the now deleted article to see if the link is as obvious as you believe. Charles is a quite common name of course. ~~
::Thank you as always for your thoughtful feedback. Much appreciated. [[User:Jengod|jengod]] ([[User talk:Jengod|talk]]) 14:41, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
==Adding revised article==
on [[Dominic A. Pacyga]] with notes all fixed. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 02:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
:The awards section is way too close paraphrasing of the self-published [https://midlandauthors.org/bio-pacyga/], and the information about his parents and so on is not in the source given. I haven't checked the remainder. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:36, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
== PROD of [[Order of Saint Helena]] ==
Hi,
I am the creator of the article you PROD'd yesterday ([[Order of Saint Helena]]).
Your reasoning is very flawed here, as there are many other religious order that have fewer people in the United States but still have a page, such as [[Order of the Holy Cross]].
Doing a simple google search would show you that they have contributed significantly to the Episcopal Church's liturgy, which is displayed in the article.
Thanks.
Peace, [[User:Thorn6130|Thorn6130]]✝ ([[User talk:Thorn6130|talk, ask questions, dispute]]) Peace, [[User:Thorn6130|Thorn6130]]✝ ([[User talk:Thorn6130|talk, ask questions, dispute]]) 14:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
:They need to have received significant attention in [[WP:RS|''independent'' reliable sources]], not entries on pages or reviews by their own church. Publications by members don't simply give an y notability to the order, [[WP:NOTINHERITED]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:03, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::By that logic, any institution inside of a church would then not be reliable, since their own Church would often benefit from their efforts. I'm not talking about their individual publications, but rather the two primary liturgical publications. These are sold internationally, and the article now reflects that.
::Peace, [[User:Thorn6130|Thorn6130]]✝ ([[User talk:Thorn6130|talk, ask questions, dispute]]) 15:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
== Declined speedy deletion: [[Hümaşah Sultan (daughter of Murad III)]] ==
Hi there! I wanted to let you know that I have declined your [[WP:G4|G4 speedy deletion]] nomination of [[Hümaşah Sultan (daughter of Murad III)]]. In this case, the article was [[WP:G5|G5 speedy deleted]], so although it was technically subject to AfD, G4 does not apply because it was not deleted via community consensus. Let me know if you have any follow-up questions. Take care, [[User:Significa liberdade|Significa liberdade <small>(she/her)</small>]] ([[User talk:Significa liberdade|talk]]) 08:53, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:Don't worry, it will likely again be deleted via G5 anyway. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
== [[Sydney nurses anti-Israel remarks incident]] ==
I think that this deletion without discussion might be controversial. I'm sure you considered it. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 21:21, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:Agreed. Discussion is needed. This is a really inconsiderate decision on Fram's part. The article is very well sourced. Can you put it on discussion, Bearian? [[User:Yucalyptus|Yucalyptus]] ([[User talk:Yucalyptus|talk]]) 03:43, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
::It's just a ProD, not some "really inconsiderate discussion". I'll AfD it. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:50, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
== CfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 19#Decade establishments by country|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 19 § Decade establishments by country]] ==
<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the [[Wikipedia:Categorization|categorization]] guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 19#Decade establishments by country|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 19 § Decade establishments by country]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd mass notice--> Thank you. –[[User:Aidan721|Aidan721]] ([[User talk:Aidan721|talk]]) 17:47, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
== Draft article ==
I saw that you "moved page The Death of Film to Draft:The Death of Film without leaving a redirect (Article is completely based on primary sources, needs to be based on secondary sources instead)." There were entire spam paragraphs written about that in the articles [[Generative artificial intelligence]] and [[Artificial intelligence art]] on my watch lis, which I have now removed. I am letting you know so maybe you can find if they spammed it anywhere else and if so help remove it? I am about to leave for the weekend and not sure how much time I'll have to continue cleaning up this promotional spam. [[User:Asparagusstar|Asparagusstar]] ([[User talk:Asparagusstar|talk]]) 12:27, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:Done, thanks. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
::I actually want to caution you - I have a strong feeling that the article creator is the director himself and that they're editing with a goal to add themselves to Wikipedia as much as possible. I do think they are interested in their hometown as well, but at best this is a person making goodwill edits (that include themselves) who doesn't seem to have made any true attempt to learn notability guidelines and at worst, it's someone with an interest in their hometown but who is also hoping to use Wikipedia to promote themself. [[User:ReaderofthePack|ReaderofthePack]]<small>(formerly Tokyogirl79)</small>[[User talk:ReaderofthePack|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 16:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I know, they keep reverting my removal of their spam additions, despite the quite obvious COI they have (and after I dropped a COI warning). Perhaps they'll give up once they see their articles being deleted. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 16:41, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
::::I hadn't known you warned them - I did as well, so they're deliberately ignoring that - this might need to be escalated to COI/N. They look to have been warned about notability to varying degrees and they've ignored that as well. I'm not really on as much - do you want to add it there? [[User:ReaderofthePack|ReaderofthePack]]<small>(formerly Tokyogirl79)</small>[[User talk:ReaderofthePack|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 18:08, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::I wasn't aware of their earliest username - I'm going to open a COI/N discussion. [[User:ReaderofthePack|ReaderofthePack]]<small>(formerly Tokyogirl79)</small>[[User talk:ReaderofthePack|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 18:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I opened it [[Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#JECWV|here]]. I'll try to come on and monitor the discussion as best as I can, but can I ask for you to look into this as well? [[User:ReaderofthePack|ReaderofthePack]]<small>(formerly Tokyogirl79)</small>[[User talk:ReaderofthePack|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 18:39, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks, it seems to have had the desired result. Too bad that people can come away with such blatant lies until they are threatened with an indef block, but at least there is some progress now. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I'm glad that it had the desired effect. I'm a bit dismayed that an uninvolved editor got involved - but the situation really did look extremely suspicious so I'm not sorry for mentioning them at COI/N. Hopefully the uninvolved editor will come away with a new appreciation for not taking claims in a Wikipedia article at face value and give the Wiki Ed resources a perusal (along with the COI editor). To be fair, I do think the director thought they were the first but the issue with "I was first" is that it it's so overused (off and on Wikipedia) as a marketing gimmick that claiming to be first has lost all value unless it's reported in a place that is pretty authoritative. [[User:ReaderofthePack|ReaderofthePack]]<small>(formerly Tokyogirl79)</small>[[User talk:ReaderofthePack|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 16:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
== Non Chemist? ==
Hello,
Thanks for your efforts to revert vandalism edits done by that editor today, and notifying the community. After being unblocked, he started again doing that edits without any clear reason! He deleted again [[Wheere]]'s page and saying I am the founder :)
Am I the founder of [[Draft: Groupe Adéquat]] and all other organizations and subjects I will create pages about them too? I can't understand his intentions!
Also, can you please refer me to a french speaking reviewer to review my articles as I am not sure there are many here who have an idea about the press sources in France...
Best [[User:Jean-PierreCL|Jean-PierreCL]] ([[User talk:Jean-PierreCL|talk]]) 02:43, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:Hi, I answered at the Wheere AfD. I'll take a look at the ANI discussion again later, I don't think Nenchemist will be around for much longer with this approach but perhaps whatever happened since last night will change this. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:34, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
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== Heads Up for Short Description ==
Hi there @[[User:Fram|Fram]],
I hope you're well. I just wanted to give you a heads up regarding some articles I've edited. I know you mentioned that there was a typo in the short description for the [[Chimay]] article and that's why I was reverted, and that's fine. After reading the article, I realize I did in fact make an error so that's on me. However, if you want, there are other articles in the same category that might need fixing in terms of the short description (a similar problem based on your revert). It should not take a while; I think copying/pasting will resolve things quickly.
Again, just wanted to bring it to your attention in the event you run into the problem. Happy editing :) [[User:Losipov|Losipov]] ([[User talk:Losipov|talk]]) 23:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thank you! I raised the issue at [[Wikipedia talk:Short description#Autogenerated shortdescs for Belgian municipalities]], but it looks as if we will indeed need to use manual short descriptions for all Belgian municipalities... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:29, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
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== Any french-speaking reviewer? ==
Hello @[[User:Fram|Fram]],
I hope you are fine. Do you know any french-speaking reviewer or an editor who is familiar with french medias to review my drafts and articles. For example, I don't think that the editor, who reviewed this [[Draft:Groupe Adéquat|draft]], is able to do so! I don't understand the given reason:..if he really checked the sources:)
Thanks [[User:Jean-PierreCL|Jean-PierreCL]] ([[User talk:Jean-PierreCL|talk]]) 01:25, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:Always best to first contact the editor who declined it, to ask them for more concrete advice (e.g. which sources do they consider unreliable or not independent, what kind of source would they expect, and you can ask them if they are able to read French, though they are not obliged to respond). I don't know if there are sources which give more of an overview of the company, instead of the more "routine" announcements many of these sources bring. This is a common issue with even large companies (and this one is pretty large), if no one has written a more background type of source but all we have are more primary sources reporting an event when it happens (e.g. an acquisition), then it is hard to get an encyclopedic article which will be acceptable. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:42, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Fram|Fram]]
::Thank you for the helpful advice! You're right... journalists tend to cover companies mainly when there's a specific event. However, they often take the opportunity to include some background or historical context at that time.
::For that draft, I’ve found a few sources that might be acceptable:
::[https://www.leprogres.fr/economie/2015/06/16/adequat-vise-les-250-agences-a-court-terme Source 1] [https://www.brefeco.com/actualite/recrutement-interim/le-groupe-adequat-vise-le-milliard-deuros-en-2018 Source 2] [https://www.leprogres.fr/economie/2021/09/06/le-groupe-adequat-poursuit-sa-croissance-externe-au-quebec Source 3]
::What do you think? Thanks again for your guidance. it’s really appreciated! [[User:Jean-PierreCL|Jean-PierreCL]] ([[User talk:Jean-PierreCL|talk]]) 04:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
:::I can't access the first and third source, the second one is short but good. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:28, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Slavic shamanism]] ==
Your edit summary: "We wouldn't accept a description in words by someone without good sources, why should we accept it in paint?"
I had an edit conflict about this now and in the past. And from the discussion [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Images#Images_of_gods]] I see that I am not alone meeting this kind of problem. Since this is a repeated issue, I start thinking that [[MOS:Images]] requires an extra section about images of mythology, religion, and folklore, as well as other fantastic items. For example, nobody prevents me, Altenmann, draw my own image of [[Geralt of Rivia]] and litter [[The Witcher]] articles with it.
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== {{noping|WhistelUp}} ==
Would you mind checking their edits for further BLP biolations? Thanks. [[User:Deepfriedokra|-- Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 15:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
:I already removed the same accusations in the one other article they had edited (it was added by an IP, not by this account, but well...). [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:10, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. I could go revdel that. [[User:Deepfriedokra|-- Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 15:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Would probably be best. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:16, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
::::We've done due diligence. If the Indian courts come looking for anyone, it won't be us. [[User:Deepfriedokra|-- Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 15:20, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Unless we get a court case for trying to hide corruption that is :-) [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:31, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::I think the they're more interested in going after defamation, even when well sourced. Let the papers there expose the corruption. Not our job to smear people. [[User:Deepfriedokra|-- Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 15:34, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
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== Draftification of [[Paul Chambers (academic)]] ==
I see you've draftified [[Paul Chambers (academic)]] without discussion. This sort of behaviour, as I gather, sort of your thing, to the point where other editors have described it as "Framming"; see [[Wikipedia:Community response to the Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram]]. Please see my discussion with [[User:TarnishedPath]], where we have had a much more reasonable discussion.
I invite you to move it back, per that discussion. Please try to be more collegiate in future. — [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|talk]]) 10:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:The Anome|The Anome]], I don't know much about Mr Chambers, but are they an elected member or fellow of any prestigious academic societies? If they are then that would be an automatic [[WP:NACADEMIC]] pass and this discussion needn't continue. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b>]]''<sup>[[User talk:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b>]]</sup> 10:48, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The article was a BLP violation, draftification was the gentle option. And "framming" doesn't appear on that page nor any of the archives, so your personal attack isn't really working... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::See [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive317]]. I can dig out more if you'd like. I'll move the article to [[Prosecution of Paul Chambers]], thus satisfying the notability reequirements. — [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|talk]]) 11:24, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::So you repeat the personal attack from someone who had an ANI section about them opened by me as if this evidence of something, and somehow strengtens your position? And the issue isn't notability, it's [[WP:BLP]]. The title of the article doesn't magically negate that policy. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 11:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
== Third Opinion ==
Fram, I have sought a Third Opinion (3O) in the dispute between us on the page [[Beautiful captive woman]], as posted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Third_opinion&action=edit§ion=3&editintro=Wikipedia%3AThird+opinion%2FInstructions here].[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena|talk]]) 12:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
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== Unmarried sex ==
I recently RFD'd [[unmarried sex]], which is a redirect that you changed the target to. The discussion is [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 April 15|here]]. I pinged you but not everyone has these notifications enabled so I wanted to make sure you were aware of this. [[User:Clovermoss|<span style="color:darkorchid">Clovermoss</span><span style="color:green">🍀</span>]] [[User talk:Clovermoss|(talk)]] 00:39, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
==Your closure==
The discussion I raised was not simply over past behaviour, which was provided as background, but as you well know, present behaviour, which I requested be examined. I therefore consider your closure grossly insincere.[[User:Hallannata|Hallannata]] ([[User talk:Hallannata|talk]]) 10:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:Note that Hallannata has been blocked by a different admin for violating [[WP:SOCK]]. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 10:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:You had provided nothing at all about present behaviour, not a single diff, nada. I see you started a new section on ANI. I guess it won't take too long to see you blocked as [[WP:NOTHERE]], which you then can reframe as "old boys protecting BBB23" or something similar to your hearts' delight. If you have a case to make about present behaviour of BBB23, it was up to you to present it (not just the "background" from external sources) with diffs or present issues. It is not up to others to go search for evidence of your handwaving accusations. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:37, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, what a surprise... Thanks! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:37, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
==Investigate==
Hi Fram, you warned this user before, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMHD1234567890&diff=1268403080&oldid=1268007909][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMHD1234567890&diff=1268411345&oldid=1268403080] but I think they are create the same style of articles, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawanduz_Revolt][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Amadiya] could you take a look at them? [[User:Kajmer05|Kajmer05]] ([[User talk:Kajmer05|talk]]) 13:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:Thank you, I'll take a look. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:34, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! The user is constantly creating pov-pushing articles, for example, this article does not mention the PKK victory either. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northern_Iraq_(2023)] I looked at the sources for casualties. Turkish casualties are almost exaggerated and this is not the end. I don't know if ANI can be visited for this. [[User:Kajmer05|Kajmer05]] ([[User talk:Kajmer05|talk]]) 12:01, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll first see how the AfDs turn out, but ANI is certainly a possibility now or in the near future, and if you can show that next to the problematic articles they are also clear POV pushers then I think it might be best if you started an ANI discussion with enough diffs to show the problems. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Okay, Have a good day! [[User:Kajmer05|Kajmer05]] ([[User talk:Kajmer05|talk]]) 12:07, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
== Hi, I saw your message. ==
I did not think I was violating Wikipedia's policies about sources.  I promise I was I using a reliable source called [[Lambiek]] when it comes to influences.
[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/References|Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/References - Wikipedia]]
Was I using the source wrong? [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:The page listed in most cases many influences, of which you picked just a few, apparently the ones you like most or recognised (each time picking the same names from the list but ignoring the others), and sometimes you picked names even if they were listed as less important, or you added painters to a list of comics artists. There is nothing wrong with Lambiek, the problem is with how you used it. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::I just want my edits back, but it because of how other pages listed them. Like in [[Stephen Hillenburg]] list went from comic book artists to animators including one animation educator. [[Joe Murray (animator)|Joe Murray]] went from 2 painters to 2 cartoonists to 5 Golden Age-era animators. I was mostly picking the credible peoples, that's why. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:36, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::"I was mostly picking the credible peoples" = [[WP:OR]] / [[WP:POV]], no idea why you would consider some "credible" and some not credible, and why this would mean that some of them get picked every time and some get rejected every time. I see no reason to reinstate these edits. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::::It is mostly because of how famous they are and I do not want the articles to have too many listings. Can you check [[Stephen Hillenburg]]'s pages and [[Joe Murray (animator)|Joe Murray]]'s as well? [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:40, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I'm sorry if this was vandalism and cherrypicking. I promise not to do it again. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:41, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::But it doesn't matter how famous they are, if they aren't the most important influences (like you mostly claimed them to be). People don't necessarily get more inspired by a more famous artist than by a less famous one. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:42, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::I'm really sorry, and I mean it. I promise not to do it again. I wasn't trying to claim them to be. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:44, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I will take a break from editing. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:44, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I wanted to show you something to show proof.
::::::::[[Joe Murray (animator)|Joe Murray (animator) - Wikipedia]]
::::::::"Murray has cited [[Pablo Picasso]], [[Henri Matisse]], [[Walt Kelly]], [[Mark O'Hare]], [[Max Fleischer]], [[Jay Ward]], [[Tex Avery]], [[Bob Clampett]], and [[Chuck Jones]] as his main influences"[https://www.lambiek.net/artists/m/murray_joe.htm]
::::::::[[Stephen Hillenburg#Influences|Stephen Hillenburg - Wikipedia]]
::::::::"Hillenburg's graphic influences were [[George Herriman]], [[E. C. Segar]], [[Bill Watterson]], [[Dr. Seuss]], [[Max Fleischer]], [[Chuck Jones]], [[Tex Avery]], [[Bob Clampett]], [[Jay Ward]], [[Jules Engel]], [[Matt Groening]], [[Joe Murray (animator)|Joe Murray]] and [[John Kricfalusi]]; the latter was inspired to have many close-up shots in several SpongeBob episodes to have grotesque and extremely detailed drawings. He had also cited [[Charlie Chaplin]], [[Buster Keaton]], [[Laurel & Hardy]], [[The Three Stooges]], [[W.C. Fields]], [[Jerry Lewis]], [[Jacques Cousteau]], [[Jim Henson|Jim Henson's]] ''[[The Muppets]]'' and [[Paul Reubens]]' ''[[Pee-wee Herman]]'' for his comedic influences"[https://www.lambiek.net/artists/h/hillenburg_stephen.htm]
::::::::You see there will were some famous people and some that are not famous like Mark O'Hare, Jules Engel. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:43, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::I have no idea what this is supposedly proof of. I haven't even edited these pages. If you want me to show that my reverts of your edits were wrong, then you will need to show proof from these pages that I made a mistake. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:47, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I put it in quotations mark from both articles. Joe Murray had 2 painters, 2 cartoonists with 5 famous Golden Age animators. 1 of the cartoonists is not that recognizable beside working in SpongeBob and Camp Lazlo. Pablo Picasso is more famous than Henri Matisse.
::::::::::Stephen Hillenburg had 4 cartoonists, Jules Engel did not work in animation industry beside being educator and illustrator, 5 Golden Age animators again, John Kricfalusi, Joe Murray and Matt Groening. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:51, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I have no idea what this is supposedly proof of. I haven't even edited these pages. If you want me to show that my reverts of your edits were wrong, then you will need to show proof from these pages that I made a mistake. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:23, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::Can you read the page of Stephen Hillenburg? Here is why. 
::::::::::::On [https://www.lambiek.net/artists/h/hillenburg_stephen.htm Stephen Hillenburg - Lambiek Comiclopedia], It did not mention George Dunning, Richard Condie, Mike Kelley and even Nico Crama.
::::::::::::This is from his Wikipedia's article. [[Stephen Hillenburg#Influences|Stephen Hillenburg - Wikipedia]]. Check out both link.
::::::::::::"Hillenburg's graphic influences were [[George Herriman]], [[E. C. Segar]], [[Bill Watterson]], [[Dr. Seuss]], [[Max Fleischer]], [[Chuck Jones]], [[Tex Avery]], [[Bob Clampett]], [[Jay Ward]], [[Jules Engel]], [[Matt Groening]], [[Joe Murray (animator)|Joe Murray]] and [[John Kricfalusi]]; the latter was inspired to have many close-up shots in several SpongeBob episodes to have grotesque and extremely detailed drawings. He had also cited [[Charlie Chaplin]], [[Buster Keaton]], [[Laurel & Hardy]], [[The Three Stooges]], [[W.C. Fields]], [[Jerry Lewis]], [[Jacques Cousteau]], [[Jim Henson|Jim Henson's]] ''[[The Muppets]]'' and [[Paul Reubens]]' ''[[Pee-wee Herman]]'' for his comedic influences"[https://www.lambiek.net/artists/h/hillenburg_stephen.htm <nowiki>[26]</nowiki>] This is to prove it show how your revert of my edits was wrong because most are famous yet when you look on his Lambiek Comiclopedia's article, it did not mention Heinz Edelmann and painter Mike Kelley on his Wikpedia page at all. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 22:04, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You can´t prove that my reverts on all these pages were wrong by pointing to a different page I never edited. This us the third and final time I try to explain this basic concept to you. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 05:28, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I wanted to add this to Jason's article.
::::::::::::::[[Jason (cartoonist)|Jason (cartoonist) - Wikipedia]]
::::::::::::::Sources from [https://www.lambiek.net/artists/j/jason.htm Jason (John Arne Saeteröy) - Lambiek Comiclopedia]
::::::::::::::I do not want to cherry-pick again, but it did say he was inspired by Lewis Trondheim, Jim Woodring, and Tex Avery. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 05:25, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Part 1: Just curious, can this be a reason? Reasoning: There was too many to lists as the reason.
:::::::::::::::Part 2: This is proof your reverts of my edits was wrong or to show I was not cherry-picking on purpose.
:::::::::::::::On [[Massimo Mattioli]]'s page. I should have added the entire influences such as Tex Avery, George Herriman, Johnny Hart and Carl Barks.
:::::::::::::::On [[Peter Bagge]]'s page. I should have done this: Tex Avery and Bob Clampett as well as Mad artists such as Paul Coker, Jack Davis and Basil Wolverton. He later admires Dave Cooper, Joe Matt and Lorna Miller.
:::::::::::::::On [[William Wray (artist)|William Wray]]'s page, the reverts were wrong because it was in the source and also because who are the other artists?
:::::::::::::::I also thought the reverts on my edits were incorrect on [[Terry Gilliam]]'s page because it was in the sources and was not cherry-picking.
:::::::::::::::Your reverts on my edit on [[Jim Woodring]]'s page was wrong because I was fixing the grammar errors because some was not finished or even informal spelling.
:::::::::::::::I promise my edits on [[Frank Cho]]'s page is also accurate.
:::::::::::::::I also would add Winsor McCay, Charles M. Schulz and Paul Coker to the page of [[Bill Watterson]]'s if you put my edits back. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 03:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::I'll humour you and pick one example; how, from the long, long list of names in the Lambiek source, did you deduce that the ones ''you'' picked were his "main" influences, and not the others from the same source? As just one example, Lambiek says "His favorite book illustrators are Gustave Doré, Edward Gorey and John Tenniel", and you listed 2 of them, but not the third. What made you pick these two? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:50, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::What do you mean by "I'll humor you". It is well...I guess I should have added some more instead of just leaving them behind because it is hypocritical of me to just leave out some and yet there are some that should be mentioned that are famous or recongizable. I guess it was also not a good idea to just leave some just because one is famous or credible such as Tex Avery. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 14:46, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::"I'll humour you" as in you are yet again providing "proof" of absolutely nothing, but now at least you addressed articles I did revert you on, and not ones I didn't touch. I note that in my previous reply, I didn't actually say that the example I was talking about was Terry Gilliam, should have mentioned that. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:01, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::I was showing proofs that my edits were accurate and some reverts were wrong. But I am glad that you were able to see I was referring to the one that you did not touch. I did not see that on Terry Gilliam's Lambiek, but now I promise to never cherrypick. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 00:41, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::Is it okay if you can put my edit back? I did not see some people on some of their Lambiek's page because I did not see the link to click on. Plus I was showing proof that the reverts were a mistake. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 00:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::Please inform yourself on the meaning of the word "proof". You keep on using it, but seem to forget that a proof needs some solid evidence. Please stop pestering me. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:14, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::Sorry @[[User:Fram|Fram]]. I was not trying to annoy you. [[Special:Contributions/50.91.26.176|50.91.26.176]] ([[User talk:50.91.26.176|talk]]) 07:28, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
== Hi, Look at this. ==
Hi, i just created a page [[Mir Muhammad's conquest of East Anatolia]] can you look that, and try to know if it’s valid for Wikipedia, i verified every sources I put they all mentions this Conquest so i want you to understand that this page is sourced correctly. (Btw in the sources it clearly says Muhammad Rawanduz Revolt). [[User:MHD1234567890|MHD1234567890]] ([[User talk:MHD1234567890|talk]]) 20:05, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
:Without page numbers it is very hard to see which parts are supposedly supported by which source. I see that e.g. [https://books.google.fr/books?redir_esc=y&hl=fr&id=-tuPDAAAQBAJ&q=1833#v=snippet&q=1835&f=false this one] doesn't even mention 1835, and [https://www.proquest.com/docview/1535017531/B511EBEAD4CA4671PQ/3 this one] mentions 1835, but not as the (end) date of any conquest or period. So that's already 2 out of your 4 sources which don't support a key element. A third source[https://www.google.fr/books/edition/K%C3%BCrt_isyanlar%C4%B1/JypuBgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1] seems to have the same problem. The final source[https://books.google.fr/books?redir_esc=y&hl=fr&id=IXgnEAAAQBAJ&q=1835#v=snippet&q=1835&f=false] does include mentions of 1835, but at first glance not directly supporting the article. Please stop creating further articles until the current AfDs are finished at least, so you can see what the consensus is about your creations so far. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:22, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for the feedback. I would like to clarify why the time span 1833–1835 is accurate and supported across all four sources, even if some do not repeat the date 1835 explicitly.
::Source 1 (mentioning Amadiya, Zakho, Dohuk, Mardin, and Nuseibin): This shows that by 1833, Muhammad had expanded significantly westward. It establishes the starting point of the campaign, which is crucial.
::Source 2 (Taylor’s 1835 letter): Taylor refers to the unexpected success and ongoing influence of Muhammad Pasha, which reflects his continued dominance into 1835. It may not recount a specific conquest in that year, but it confirms that his control and campaign efforts persisted at least into 1835.
::Source 3 (Turkish source detailing Ottoman military campaigns): This clearly outlines how in 1834, major Ottoman forces under Reşid Pasha were sent to stop Mir Muhammad. The fact that these campaigns were in full force in spring 1834 and lasted into 1835 (as implied by the continued resistance and harsh measures) directly supports the article’s end date.
::Source 4 (Eppel, 2008): This is the most precise. It shows Muhammad’s conquests of key cities such as Erbil, Zakho, Duhok, Ranya, and Altun Kopru in 1834, and confirms that he defeated an Ottoman army that year. It also mentions administrative developments (minting coins, forming a diwan) which reflect ongoing authority and governance into 1835.
::So even if not all sources mention “1835” by name, the collective narrative clearly extends into that year, especially in light of administrative consolidation and continued resistance to Ottoman and Persian pressure. [[User:MHD1234567890|MHD1234567890]] ([[User talk:MHD1234567890|talk]]) 09:49, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
:::[[WP:OR]]/[[WP:SYNTH]]. I e.g. have no idea which source you actually mean by source 1 or 3, is one of them the Proquest source from Ghalib? That one doesnt' support what you claim to be in source 1 or in source 3... Anyway, this is at the admin noticeboard, I have no interest in discussing the minutiae of this article any further with you as it wastes way too much of my time trying to find out what it is you are claiming to see in the sources somewhere. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:00, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
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For your help with reverting some rogue edits I made, shows tou should never trust the category structure to give fully reliable results. Apologies for taking you away from your other work. I was trying to tidy up when my train arrived and |I know signal is then very patchy. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 17:47, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
:No problem, it's sometimes tricky! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:53, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
== Removal of 2025 CONIFA Asian football Cup ==
I noticed that you removed the article 2025 CONIFA Asian football Cup. Can you just tell me why? I understand that there is one source, but that is the only thing that they have released on the web and the only information I could find. [[User:Breck0530|Breck0530]] ([[User talk:Breck0530|talk]]) 18:06, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
:That is exactly why it is removed: at the moment it is not a [[WP:N|notable]] subject, and the essentials are already said in the main article anyway. For a separate article it needs to get significant attention in reliable, independent sources, not just announcements from the organisator or from participants. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 18:16, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
::I understand now, I will wait until there is more sources and coverage on this topic before I create the article then. [[User:Breck0530|Breck0530]] ([[User talk:Breck0530|talk]]) 18:21, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
== Nominate aricles for deleiton ==
Hi there since im not very good with this can you nominate following articles for deletion cause they are not notable enough and have very little good source: [[André Gusmão]], [[EssentiallySports]] and [[Rafael Alves (fighter)]]. Thanks [[User:DarkHorseMayhem|DarkHorseMayhem]] ([[User talk:DarkHorseMayhem|talk]]) 22:37, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
:I have no interest in MMA and don't know enough to see whether these are notable or not. I'll not start an AfD for them on that basis. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
::EssentiallySports is not MMA article [[User:DarkHorseMayhem|DarkHorseMayhem]] ([[User talk:DarkHorseMayhem|talk]]) 11:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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== Input on an article ==
Hi @[[User:Fram|Fram]], it would be great to have the input of a Dutch-speaker on the new sources being added to this article: [[Gerard van den Bergh]]. They're being added at a fast rate, and I can only read what they say by laboriously typing the text in to Google translate. [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 09:32, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
:Your reading and replies seem to be spot-on. If there is dispute about a particular source or if they finally can identify the one or two sources that give indepth attention, I can always take a closer look of course. I try to avoid Lugstubs and their AfDs otherwise. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. PS - you should do another RFA (if you still want to, of course). [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 10:33, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I would never pass though. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:36, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Eh, I was thinking 2019 was long enough ago that you could put it behind you, but I see there was drama last year as well. Maybe in a few more years then. [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 11:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:FOARP|FOARP]] I was also manually typing out the Delpher hits into Google Translate, and then I discovered you can expand the "text" bar on the right side of a source and it gives the OCR. [[User:JoelleJay|JoelleJay]] ([[User talk:JoelleJay|talk]]) 17:20, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
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== My user page ==
My user page was vandalized again. Can you revert the sock puppet's edit and lock my page? [[User:Mohammed07102007|Mohammed07102007]] ([[User talk:Mohammed07102007|talk]]) 04:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
:Edit was reverted already, and I don't have the necessary rights to protect pages. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 11:00, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
== Muckle ==
Is there enough resources for Muckle article to be on Wikipedia [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 08:16, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:I don't know, you wrote it, you should know if there are enough [[WP:RS]] for it or not. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::I think it’s good enough to be on here [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 08:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Not the one I draftified, no. The first sources is a website where anyone can post their stories, not a reliable source. And the second is an opinion piece, a personal reminiscence, again not a reliable source. Have you actually read [[WP:RS]]? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes but it was on the news as Muckle it’s reliable page I thought [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 08:23, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::https://www.amazon.com/Muckleball-Official-Robert-Dwight-Brown-ebook/dp/B00ZK8YUGC It’s in a book from 2015 [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 08:37, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Self-published book? How is that a reliable source or an indication of notability? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::There is a National Muckleball League not self published they posted the rules [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 08:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Also I didn’t know how to put that in reference [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 08:43, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there is a facebook group called "National Muckleball League", there doesn't seem to be much of an actual league though, or at the very least no one has given it any attention at all. And the writer of the book is the creator of the league, so yes, it is self-published. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can that book still be use just wondering [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 08:47, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Most games on Wikipedia that is hybrid sport isn’t noticeable on here just look Ming up on the guidelines list of hybrid sports [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 08:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
== List of hybrid Sports ==
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hybrid_sports I’m Not bullying looking at the list there is a lot of non related hybrid sports Freeflyball and such on here just stating a fact [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 13:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:I've removed a lot of them. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks I was trying to help I have heard of Muckleball game that’s why I was trying to help [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 13:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't doubt that you are trying to help, but so far the sources given are either unreliable (per the Wikipedia definition at [[WP:RS]]) or not about the same game. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:27, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ok I was trying to find the right definition then [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 13:28, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Look up Street Football (American) variations it should be there [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 13:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just wondering they do have keep away as a game on Wikipedia that is a form of bullying also [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
== Feedback wanted: Wikidata-inclusion in Wikipedia Watchlist and Recent Changes ==
Hello @[[User:Fram|Fram]], you recently commented on a discussion at [[w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_82#Wikidata_edits:_P-_and_Q-numbers|Village Pump (misc)/Wikidata edits: P- and Q-numbers]], a topic on changing the way information of Wikidata edits is shown on Wikipedia Watchlists / Recent Changes list.
Would you be willing to join a 45 minute ~ 1 hour interview with our UX researcher, to discuss this topic in a little more depth? We would like to gather feedback from a spectrum of Wikipedians, those both supportive and critical of Wikidata and it's usage in other projects.
The interview will be conducted in English and [[mediawikiwiki:WMDE_Engineering/Participate_in_UX_Activities#Compensation|compensation is available]]. If you would like to participate, please register your interest as a reply to this post and we will email you with further details. Thank you, - [[User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)|talk]]) 09:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks, but no. My preference is to abolish Wikidata for everything but interwiki links. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
== Draft moves ==
Hello. Could you please explain how to move articles to draft space without leaving a redirect? Thanks. [[User:Vanezi Astghik|Vanezi]] ([[User talk:Vanezi Astghik|talk]]) 06:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:You need the [[Wikipedia:Page mover]] right to be able to do this! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
== Tennis Articles Navops47 ==
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
# '''Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;'''
# '''Do not edit war even if you believe you are right Fram dont slap this notice on other users talk pages then carry on moving pages back because you believe your right practice what you preach first.'''
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's [[Help:Talk pages|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a reques Fram for help at an [[WP:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, it may be appropriate to [[WP:Requests for page protection|request temporary page protection]]. If you engage in an edit war, you '''may be [[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing. [[User:Navops47|Navops47]] ([[User talk:Navops47|talk]]) 10:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:"a reques Fram for help"? Why is so much of your editing so sloppy? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
== GeniVekaGV ==
Hi Fram, good to know you have also been in contact with [[User talk:GeniVekaGV]]. I have tried my best to advise them about the niche nature of their Albanian foreign relations articles and the lack of proper sources but they seem unwilling to listen to reason. GeniVekaGV has a habit of asking other users to create articles for them. They emailed me and other users. I also checked their talk page history and they have a habit of deleting messages. Not sure if we should refer them to [[WP:ANI]] or try diplomacy. [[User:Andykatib|Andykatib]] ([[User talk:Andykatib|talk]]) 11:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I received an email as well, haven't read it. I warned them that I would take them to ANI if the issues persist, let's give them a final chance perhaps? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 11:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Hi Fram, I agree. We will give them one more chance before going for the nuclear option. They have asked me to add political relations material on Albania's relations with Pacific states. I tried to explain that the sources they used in the articles did not mention Albania but they were stubborn. Might see if I can find reputable sources. Cheers. [[User:Andykatib|Andykatib]] ([[User talk:Andykatib|talk]]) 11:38, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
== Thanks ==
Hi Fram, just dropping by to say thanks for your work cleaning up articles and calling out problems at AfD, NPP, ERRORs and I am sure elsewhere. It is often thankless work, but does not go unnoticed or appreciated. All the best, [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 14:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Thank you! Yes, it often antagonises some people or ruffles some feathers, but I'm mostly used to that by now... [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
== Title naming ==
Hello a question if their are three tennis tournaments called the [[Border Championships]] one was in South Africa, another not yet created in England and one in Scotland how would you title the latter two? [[User:Navops47|Navops47]] ([[User talk:Navops47|talk]]) 05:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:[[Border Championships (England)]] and [[Border Championships (Scotland)]] probably? Seems the easiest. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
::Noted and thanks [[User:Navops47|Navops47]] ([[User talk:Navops47|talk]]) 02:44, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
==[[Pendleton Tool Company]]==
I went to redirect this page and I see there was an entry there previously. Could you please move what was there to draft space so I can have a look? The subject is discussed in the history section of [[Proto (tools)]]. Thanks. [[User:FloridaArmy|FloridaArmy]] ([[User talk:FloridaArmy|talk]]) 15:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:You will have to ask at [[WP:REFUND]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
== Copypatrol? ==
Hey Fram, given your interest in New Page patrolling and such, would you ever consider using [https://copypatrol.wmcloud.org/en Copypatrol?] It's what Me, Diannaa and company use when patrolling for copyvio issues. [[User:Moneytrees|Moneytrees🏝️]][[User talk:Moneytrees|(Talk)]] 15:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks, but not for the moment, am already spending too much time here :-) Don't want to check for even more things. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::By the way, I finally found time to clean out the CCI backlog and opened [[Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Ramblersen]] (not filled out yet); I looked and found a few more issues, on the older account at least. [[User:Moneytrees|Moneytrees🏝️]][[User talk:Moneytrees|(Talk)]] 21:12, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:15, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
== Hi ==
I updated the Muckleball is it ready for an article [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
:What, by adding an external link to an old book which has a ''character'' named "Maggie Muckleball"? Are you just trolling now? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:21, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::No sorry for getting off the wrong foot can I add a Biddy Basketball Resource https://www.basketballmanitoba.ca/2015/10/canada-basketball-releases-new-mini.html [[User:EliG233|EliG233]] ([[User talk:EliG233|talk]]) 10:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
== Ellen Channing Day Bonaparte article ==
Hello, thank you for checking flaws in my recently created article.
In regards to the unreliable sources tag you added, I assume that mostly refers to the 5th citation, which I could switch out for one of the books in turned cited as reference on that website (which after reviewing seems to be supported by "the American Bonapartes," which is archived at the University of Chicago website, with the exception of the 227 Chancery Street fact.)
In regards to her notability, I'm willing to hear about any potential reasoning either way.
Thanks! [[User:GrandDuchyConti|GrandDuchyConti]] ([[User talk:GrandDuchyConti|talk]]) 17:59, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
:Hi! Unreliable sources include Familysearch, see its entry on [[WP:RSNP]]. As for notability: which sources give indepth attention to Ellen Bonaparte? The sources in the article are very short mentions of her in the context of her husband or her house, and while I can't access "A Woman of Two Worlds." directly, it seems to be about a different Bonaparte as well? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:35, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you for responding.
::I can remove the Familysearch sources '''if''' we decide to keep the article, as the same information is mentioned in other, reliable sources.
::The book was/is about Elizabeth, yes, although Ellen is sometimes mentioned multiple times throughout the book, as are other members of her family. This is partucularly because the book is partially about her belongings, and many of Elizabeth's belongings ended up in Ellen's ownership, and therefore she is described in it.
::To answer your question about cocerage of her, I'll copy some excerpts from a different, seemingly reliable book, where she is mentioned (although like you said, it's within her husband's section.)
::"It was fated that Charles J. Bonaparte should become the American of all the Bonapartes. His father had not wed King Joseph's daughter, but a girl of sterling American stock. He himself made no foreign alliance either, for his choice had been Miss Ellen Channing Day of Hartford, Connecticut, whom he met while a Harvard student in 1871. The young lady's grandfather was a brother of a former president of Yale, her father a former publisher of the famous Hartford Courant... When he brought his bride back to Baltimore they lived at first in the old home but ultimately purchased a country place •some fifteen miles from Baltimore, "Bella Vista," a home on a high hill with a commanding view, their farm in the valley below."
::"Two months or so there and he was in physical readiness to resume his Baltimore affairs. Mrs. Bonaparte herself was not exceptionally well nor strong, and he suffered from a weak heart, or perhaps he put too great strain upon a stout one."
::"Mr. & Mrs. Bonaparte had been happy "stay-at‑homes"
::"His homes are gone. Mrs. Bonaparte herself died in Washington, D. C., on June 23, 1924, the same month, almost the same day, as her beloved partner had passed on only three years before"
::I assume the President of Yale in question was [[Jeremiah Day]]. [[User:GrandDuchyConti|GrandDuchyConti]] ([[User talk:GrandDuchyConti|talk]]) 12:14, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::(I should clarify, by her family I mean Elizabeth's) [[User:GrandDuchyConti|GrandDuchyConti]] ([[User talk:GrandDuchyConti|talk]]) 12:16, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::I'll go ahead and adjust the article accordingly, and we'll see it's state then. [[User:GrandDuchyConti|GrandDuchyConti]] ([[User talk:GrandDuchyConti|talk]]) 23:00, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
== your did it ==
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== Regarding an article delete ==
Hey,
Recently saw you marked [[List of victims of the 2015 Tianjin explosions]] for deletion; I recently re-named it to [[Casualties of the 2015 Tianjin explosions]] and also added more broader information for better notability and plan to improve it further. Could you review it again and see if it now meets notability guidelines? [[User:Thehistorianisaac|Thehistorianisaac]] ([[User talk:Thehistorianisaac|talk]]) 03:24, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
:I don't see how this fundamentally changes anything. The text parts could be in the main article, the lists of names are superfluous. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:39, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::Check the AFD discussion;
::For the names, they already previously existed for the active service firefighters, I am simply making it complete and adding context and related topics, which if added on the main article would make it too long. Additionally, I would suggest not really closing it until a week has passed, since there is more stuff I want to add. [[User:Thehistorianisaac|Thehistorianisaac]] ([[User talk:Thehistorianisaac|talk]]) 12:37, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
:::An AfD normally takes at least a week, and can't be closed by people who participated in it: an uninvolved admin will come along and close (or relist) it after a week normally. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:01, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ok thanks. [[User:Thehistorianisaac|Thehistorianisaac]] ([[User talk:Thehistorianisaac|talk]]) 13:20, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
== FYI ==
Per the outcome of the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of political and geographic subdivisions by total area from 50 to 250 square kilometers]], I have removed all of the otherwise unremarkable islands, lakes, and archipelagoes from the nominated lists, and have merged [[List of political and geographic subdivisions by total area under 1 square kilometer]] (which was mostly those anyway) back into the next larger list. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
== Speedy deletion declined: [[:Marie Bohlen]] ==
Hello Fram. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:Marie Bohlen]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a copyvio as teh source material is licensed CC-By 2.0 - attribution will be added to cure the attribution deficiency. Thank you. [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 17:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:[[User:Whpq]], I see a copyright notice at the bottom, and their Copyright page[https://www.greenpeace.org/international/copyright/?_gl=1*9lbz0a*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTU2Nzk5MjE3NS4xNzQ4NDUyOTQ5*_ga_94MRTN8HG4*czE3NDg0NTI5NDkkbzEkZzAkdDE3NDg0NTI5NDkkajYwJGwwJGgyMDA0MTI3NDQ0] says "free to use for personal or educational purposes. " which isn't sufficient for our purposes, where the source material also needs to be free for commercial use. Can you indicate where you saw something else? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:25, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::I am going by the licensing statement at the bottom of the [https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/46692/the-women-who-founded-greenpeace/ source page] which has a clear statement of a CC license "Unless otherwise stated, the copy of the website is licensed under a CC-BY International License" and the page has no other links or indication that it is an exception to the licensing. The CC-BY portion is hyperlinked to a CC-By 2.0 page. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 17:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, not a copyright notice at the bottom, small icons are deceptively alike. Still very confusing with the CC at the bottom, but the different license on their "copyright" page. No idea which one takes precedence. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That was an edit conflict :-) [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The copyright page you linked states "In general..." which is a bit fuzzy whereas the CC license they chose and linked to is very explicit and clear. If they are not happy with commercial use, then they could have chose a CC license with "NC", yet they did not. So I am going to go by their explicit license in the footer. I, too was fooled by the teensy-weensy (cc) at first thinking it was the the copyright symbol. But as I read it, I didn't see the expected "all rights reserved". -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 17:38, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Fair enough. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
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== hi ==
hello Fram, i just noticed that u decline my article about the Srivijaya "rise and fall" history ([[Rise and Decline of Srivijaya]]). as of u completely directed of my previous declined article to [[Draft:History of Srivijaya]], i noticed that u didnt even put the AfC submission/draft template in the draft there. if u mind or not, can u please put it in in the draft? if u care and do it, thank u. also i had recently done finish the changes of the article (i delete the citations directing to wikipedia articles, which ik is unreliable). [[User:Malayeditz|Malayeditz]] ([[User talk:Malayeditz|talk]]) 17:22, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:Hi, it needs a complete rewrite to be an acceptable article. Right from the start, "Gradual process of Srivijaya (in the history of Southeast Asia)", it makes no sense grammatically. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:38, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::fair enough. well in that case, i should maybe rewrite and published the edit after rephrasing it. thanks for the tip [[User:Malayeditz|Malayeditz]] ([[User talk:Malayeditz|talk]]) 08:36, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may '''contest the nomination''' by [[:Category:Years of the 15th century in Romania|visiting the page]] and removing the speedy deletion tag. <!-- Template:Db-catempty-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 22:27, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1490s in Romania]]==
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1996 establishments in Saint Lucia]]==
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== Surveys ==
You haven't installed [[User:Polygnotus/Scripts/Surveys.js]] yet? Not a fan of JavaScript? [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 22:16, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
==CSD notices==
Hello, Fram,
Sorry for the recent flood of CSD C1 notifications on your User talk page. Many editors don't want them posted in the case of empty categories because when it's a category branch or tree being resorted, there can be a lot of notices involved. But you seem like an editor who would want to stay in the loop in case categories are being emptied "out of process".
I don't know how you are aware of, say, establishment years for monasteries or churches in medieval Romania, but thank you for your efforts to overcome the ongoing desires by some editors to merge and split categories in a variety of different ways. We are so lucky to have editors who have a knowledge of world history (or parts of it!). Again, my thanks for your contributions. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 22:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:Oh, and by the way, sometimes when the only contents of a category are empty categories, I'll tag it early as a CSD C1 especially when it doesn't seem likely that those empty categories will be refilling. But that's just a bit of impatience on my part and we can wait until they are actually empty. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 22:27, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:Hi Liz, don´t be sorry, at least in thus way I became aware of the already concluded deletion discussion. It´s just too bad that it is impossible to recreate these cats as the bot edit wars to keep them deleted. I thought we had a policy against such bot behaviour but apparently not. So now I can only create and populate new cats, but not repopulate and expand the deleted ones... Thank yiu for your kind works, and thank you for the good work with categories. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:23, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
== Moving Solena Chaniago ==
Sorry for creating the article once again. it unintentional. Do you mind to move it again if you think the content is contentious. Do you have any source recommendation for checking her role in TV cause the source mostly from Indonesian source that's quite reliable. Thank you. Rather than move cause it is contentious, i think it's better put template for contentious content. But, over all thank your for patrolled this [[User:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[User talk:Agus Damanik|talk]]) 10:11, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
:If no US / UK sources have commented on her roles in US cinema, and if no films or TV series can be found where she played a significant role (not just some very minor appearance), then she hasn't starred in US cinema, no matter what Indonesian sources may claim. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:15, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::Got it [[User:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[User talk:Agus Damanik|talk]]) 10:47, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
== Thanks for noticing ==
and bringing the issue to the sockpuppet evaluation. It was looking really fishy, and I thank you so much for taking it to the right place. [[File:WikiThanks.png|43px|left|WikiThanks]] [[User:Nayyn|Nayyn]] ([[User talk:Nayyn|talk]]) 21:27, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
== New Romania micro categories ==
Hi, I see you have added 1621, 1625, 1629 etc into [[:Category:Establishments in Romania by year]] despite the merging of single-member siblings per consensus for [[user:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle's]] nomination at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_June_1#Years_and_decades_in_pre-existing_Romania]]. If you would be prepared to upmerge these yourself, that would be appreciated. Or if you would consent to somebody else doing it under [[WP:G7]], that would also save work. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 21:20, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:I was not informed about these deletions, initiated by the usual cat-destroying people who can only say "ooh, small cat" but make no effort to see if the cats and the tree can be expanded instead of deleting them. That's not how consensus should be built, that's getting your way by trying to exclude people who may know better. I am not going to help anyone make our category system worse because they prefer dozens of articles in a century cat instead of more precise ones which are ''also'' part of a "year by country" tree and perhaps other trees, and which can be populated over time when our coverage of (in this case) Romania gets somewhat better. Please don't help Marcoapelle and the like in making Wikipedia worse. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 08:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
== A bad day for DYK ==
@[[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] I see DYK had a bad day at [[WP:ERRORS]] today, which makes me especially sad since I promoted that set and didn't catch any of these problems.
As for [[New Star GP]], I run Earwig on every article, but don't have time to do much more than a quick scan unless something catches my eye and entices me to go on a deeper dive. To be honest, I wouldn't have pulled that one; it seems like a quick edit could have fixed the problem. [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 22:48, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
:I mean, the hook was basically lifted directly from the source… fundamentally problematic by itself, and also indicative of potential problems at a deeper level re: copyvio [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 04:10, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, I didn't catch that it was the hook itself which was the copyvio. I'll need to be on the lookout for that in the future. [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 09:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
== CfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 June 17#Category:1500s disestablishments in Sweden|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 June 17 § Category:1500s disestablishments in Sweden]] ==
<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the [[Wikipedia:Categorization|categorization]] guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 June 17#Category:1500s disestablishments in Sweden|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 June 17 § Category:1500s disestablishments in Sweden]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd mass notice--> Thank you. [[User:Kaffet i halsen|Kaffet i halsen]] ([[User talk:Kaffet i halsen|talk]]) 08:43, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
== Reset ==
Whatever the outcome of the ANI (most likely topic banned), I just wanted to take a moment to say this.
You clearly put in long hours on Wikipedia, unpaid and with a strong commitment to policy and accuracy. I don’t think that gets acknowledged enough, especially when discussions get heated — but I do respect it, and I’ve learned a lot watching how you approach things.
I also haven’t forgotten that you once spoke up to correct a mistaken sockpuppetry claim about me (a while back). That kind of fairness matters and I appreciated it then, just as I do now.
If my tone has come off as adversarial at times, I’m sorry. I'm hitting the reset button — no hard feelings, no drama — just clean, policy-based engagement from here on out. I know we won’t always agree, but I’d much rather that be respectful than confrontational.
Thanks again for all the work you do. No need to reply. [[User:Kellycrak88|Kellycrak88]] ([[User talk:Kellycrak88|talk]]) 16:56, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
== Regarding the proposed for deletion request on Oscar 1930 ==
Good morning, Fram,<br>
Thanks you for the reminder. The naming convention of "Oscar XXXX" was merely following the existing pattern of the precedents of [[Oscar 1999]] to [[Oscar 2025]] several years ago to avoid the discrepancy, then this article has been reviewed by a patrol of the [[WP:WikiProject Film|WikiProject Film]] project yesterday, and registered into the Wikidata base by the system later. I fully understand and respect your concern that the common usage in American English is actually "Oscars XXXX" in the plural form, such as the recent news: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/oscars-2025-full-list-of-nominees-winners-1.7472729 Oscars 2025: The full list of winners], and the other 7 in the [[97th Academy Awards]] article alone for examples, and am willing to cooperate with your demand to move all the shortcuts with the same issue from the single form to the plural form for the better-fit usage. Since some shortcuts have been existed for years, hence might be better to correct them in consistency with each other instead of delete them all, the task will involve in dozens of moves including the previous redirection entries created by other editors - or would you like to perform it instead?<br> If with your permission, I shall start to work on it soon, then the deletion inquiry wouldn't be necessary after the concern is resolved as requested. ~Sincerely, [[User:Mickie-Mickie|Mickie-Mickie]] ([[User talk:Mickie-Mickie|talk]]) 17:10, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
:Hello, after double-checking the target title, I realized that the plural form has been used, leading to an existing disambiguation page, so I followed its lead to redirect this link to that page as well. Please feel free to delete this shortcut page at any time as you prefer. Have a great day. ~Sincerely yours, [[User:Mickie-Mickie|Mickie-Mickie]] ([[User talk:Mickie-Mickie|talk]]) 18:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:53, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
== Delete the pages Gao Yuhan and Du Guoxiang. ==
Hello, I would like to ask if I want to continue translating these two articles, can I rewrite them in my own words and then republish the articles? [[User:Limengchen2777|Limengchen2777]] ([[User talk:Limengchen2777|talk]]) 14:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:You can rewrite them, and then you can follow the instructions at [[WP:AFC]] (specifically [[WP:AFCREVIEW]]) to get someone else to review the page and either republish it or note remaining issues. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:28, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::My article ''[[Draft:Gao Yuhan]]'' has been revised. Could you please take a look at it? Thank you for your help! [[User:Limengchen2777|Limengchen2777]] ([[User talk:Limengchen2777|talk]]) 16:54, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
== Question for administrator ==
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--[[User:Lzk15038863666|Lzk15038863666]] ([[User talk:Lzk15038863666|talk]]) 15:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)I want to know what specific questions there are regarding the translation of this [[Draft:Jianye Building|article]].could you help me？
== About Draft: Mini figures ==
Hello, may I ask if I change the title of my article from Draft: Mini figures to The Blind Box Phenomenon, can I publish it? [[User:Limengchen2777|Limengchen2777]] ([[User talk:Limengchen2777|talk]]) 15:30, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:I just posted on the talk page indicating some more serious problems, so until those are corrected it doesn't belong in the mainspace. This will probably not be a swift and easy task. However, for your grade it shouldn't matter if an article is in draft space or in the mainspace. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:33, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::It seems that only publishing can earn credits. Could you please tell me how to do that? I can’t see the talk page. Thank you. [[User:Limengchen2777|Limengchen2777]] ([[User talk:Limengchen2777|talk]]) 15:37, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Hanyangprofessor2}} is this true or a misunderstanding? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::::The student should fix the problems; otherwise little to no credit is awarded. Content that is not not good enough to be published is not useful for Wikipedia, after all. Anyway, as I told the student earlier, that particular article will be hard to rescue without English sources - we don't even know what it is about. Some form of [[Gacha game]] or rather, [[Gashapon]]? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Hanyangprofessor2|Piotrus at Hanyang]]|[[User talk:Hanyangprofessor2|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 15:55, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The talk page is [[Draft talk:Mini figures]]. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I have already reviewed and made corrections. Could you please check it again? Thank you for your hard work. [[User:Limengchen2777|Limengchen2777]] ([[User talk:Limengchen2777|talk]]) 15:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Limengchen2777|Limengchen2777]] I don't think you did this correctly. I checked your new reference (http://www.xinhuanet.com//2019-09/17/c_1210282658.htm) and it seems broken. This is just one of many errors. Please ensure that each reference works and that it supports the claims made. And as we both told you before, for this kind of article, English sources are more useful. We still don't know what is this concept name in English... <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Hanyangprofessor2|Piotrus at Hanyang]]|[[User talk:Hanyangprofessor2|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 16:05, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you. I did my best to revise it. [[User:Limengchen2777|Limengchen2777]] ([[User talk:Limengchen2777|talk]]) 16:55, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Limengchen2777|Limengchen2777]], I know what these things are. They are called blind boxes in English. A google search brings up [https://www.google.com/search?q=blind+boxes&num=10&sca_esv=b98116293dda0e1a&rlz=1C1SQJL_enAU1053AU1053&biw=1920&bih=953&tbm=nws&sxsrf=AE3TifP1Fx9RCPoBknzL_5bOSUGI1g4yow%3A1750492545818&ei=gWVWaJbVMbiO2roP06y5kQw&ved=0ahUKEwjWmYDzhIKOAxU4h1YBHVNWLsIQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=blind+boxes&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LW5ld3MiC2JsaW5kIGJveGVzMhEQABiABBiRAhixAxiDARiKBTILEAAYgAQYkQIYigUyCxAAGIAEGJECGIoFMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTILEAAYgAQYkQIYigUyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABEj4E1ClCVilCXAAeACQAQCYAewBoAGcBaoBAzItM7gBA8gBAPgBAZgCA6ACpQXCAgQQABgewgIGEAAYCBgemAMAiAYBkgcDMi0zoAeOErIHAzItM7gHpQXCBwUwLjIuMcgHBw&sclient=gws-wiz-news plenty of results]. You'll need to work out what supports your content and what of it is [[WP:RS|reliable]]. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b>]]''<sup>[[User talk:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b>]]</sup> 07:58, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
== Peter Graf (tennis coach) ==
Hello again. I just created [[Draft:Peter Graf (tennis coach)]], but most of it was translated from the existing German Wikipedia article at [[de:Peter Graf (Tennistrainer)]], so it might have copyvio issues or even copyright (an English source might have published content that was copy pasted from the German article or something like that).
Could you please check that, so that I can then put it in the mainspace safely. Kind regards. [[User:Luis7M|Luis7M]] ([[User talk:Luis7M|talk]]) 16:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
==Mont de Lans==
I replaced the link that was giving the 404 error. [[User:Xufanc|Xufanc]] ([[User talk:Xufanc|talk]])
:Thanks. I see that the claim " It was named after the now abolished homonymous commune" is contradicted by that reference. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:07, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
::The article is a translation of the homonymous one in French Wikipedia, the 404 error stemmed from the link there. Gracie Delépine may refer to a mountain that gave name to the commune from which the expedition member originated.[[User:Xufanc|Xufanc]] ([[User talk:Xufanc|talk]])
:::Please never assume that an article you translate is correct. Wikipedia is an unreliable source, and if you translate it without checking the sources, then you are basically creating an article based on an unreliable source. Adding sources which you haven't accessed just because they are given in the original article is not good practice, just like you should not copy the references from a book as if you had read those references for yourself. A reference is something ''you'' have read, not something you copy which someone else has read. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 14:20, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Thank you for calling my attention to this, I did assume that French Wikipedia was correct regarding French mountains, so I didn't check. I have been thorough and accessed the book sources in the articles I didn't translate. [[User:Xufanc|Xufanc]] ([[User talk:Xufanc|talk]])
:::::I have made the alterations. The article is still in limbo. What are you going to do next? [[User:Xufanc|Xufanc]] ([[User talk:Xufanc|talk]])
:::::[[Mont de Lans]] still is in the draft you assigned to it. In my seventeen years in Wikipedia I have never encountered something like this. Couldn't you have just put a "dead link" tag? It would have been simpler. [[User:Xufanc|Xufanc]] ([[User talk:Xufanc|talk]])
::::::Seventeen years in Wikipedia, and you still don't know how to sign nor what a reliable source is? Feel free to use the [[WP:AFC]] process to see what other reviewers think about the article. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I see that your other articles have the same issues of bad sourcing, incorrect coordinates, and who know what else. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:29, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::You have pointed out my faults, so I'm going to point out yours. Please work on your self-righteousness, it is the most unpleasant of human character flaws. As for my other articles, feel free to delete them, as your primary aim as a self-righteous individual is to put yourself above others. [[User:Xufanc|Xufanc]] ([[User talk:Xufanc|talk]])
::::::::I have pointed out the faults with your edits, you comment on my character. [[WP:NPA]] is quite clear on the distinction between the two. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 07:37, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
== About the recent removal of Doujiang content ==
'''Hello Fram,'''
Thank you for taking the time to review my edits.
I’d like to offer a brief clarification regarding the ''Doujiang'' article. In the Chinese context, ''doujiang'' (豆浆) and ''soy milk'' (豆奶) are actually different concepts. ''Doujiang'' refers to a traditional Chinese beverage made by grinding soybeans and boiling the mixture, often retaining soy pulp and solid particles. ''Soy milk'', on the other hand, usually refers to the filtered, packaged plant-based milk alternative with a smoother texture, similar to dairy milk.
Currently, there seems to be some inconsistency in the interlanguage links between the English and Chinese Wikipedia:
* The English ''[[Doujiang]]'' article links to the Chinese ''[https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%B1%86%E6%B5%86 豆浆]'' article, which is accurate.
* However, the English ''[[Soy milk]]'' article also links to the same Chinese ''豆浆'' article.
* Meanwhile, the Chinese ''豆浆'' article only links back to English ''Doujiang'', and not to ''Soy milk''.
This creates a one-to-many mapping issue that could lead to confusion for readers.
The content I added was translated from the Chinese Wikipedia article on ''豆浆'', with the goal of helping the English Wikipedia better reflect this culturally specific traditional drink. If possible, I’d like to discuss restoring or adjusting the translated content accordingly.
Thank you again for your time and guidance! [[User:Poeyal|Poeyal]] ([[User talk:Poeyal|talk]]) 17:05, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
:The article should not have general information on soy milk, and even less on soy milk which definitely isn't Doujiang, like the Starbucks info. For general info on milk made from soy, whether it is natural or filtered, people on enwiki are most likely to turn to and expect it in the "soy milk" article. That for the Chinese, "soy milk" only refers to the filtered version, may be mentioned there with a good source, but is less relevant for enwiki. The Doujiang article on enwiki should be about the specifics of this product, and not (or only minimally) repeat general info on soy milk which applies to all variants. I don't deal with interwiki links which can indeed be complicated. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 17:09, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
== How about we bury the axe? ==
Hi, Fram. We are both old hands and have better things to do with our time than take potshots at one another, right? I am revising instructions to my students to address your concerns; and I ask you, politely, to be a bit more cautious with draftification. We are all doing thankless volunteering job. I appreciate your hard work. Let's shake and move on? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Hanyangprofessor2|Piotrus at Hanyang]]|[[User talk:Hanyangprofessor2|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 12:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
:If you would actually show in any way that you "appreciate my hard work" instead of trying to obstruct it anywhere, anytime, I might have actually believed you. Perhaps start by going through the "hundreds" (not really hundreds, but okay) of articles created by your students over the years, and look for
:*lack of attribution
:*close paraphrasing
:*general issues with sourcing, grammar, ...
:I mean, you were quick to add [[Gao Xibing]] to your "results page [[User:Piotrus/Educational project results]], and to award the student an A+, even though the main source of the article doesn't support the many things it supposedly references. If you don't even do these most basic checks on the work you grade, then why should we let you continue polluting enwiki with these articles? You can continue on other language Wikipedias, assuming they have no issues with your work, but the longer this goes on, the less reason I see why you should continue with this project. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1651 establishments in Romania]]==
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1650s establishments in Romania]]==
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== Module:Authority control (arts) ==
You created [[Module:Authority control (arts)]]. What does that module do? It has not being updated since 2021 and is outdated. Many ID's concerning the arts have been added since then. '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 19:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:I suggest we delete it. Are you okay with speedy deletion under G7? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:16, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::Please update it with new arts related ids instead. It is much better than the bloated regular ac template, and more templates like it should be made. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:49, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't think you've understood. That module has been completely unused for some time now. The selected ids are implemented in [[Module:Authority control]] using a whitelist — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:54, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
::::I could hardly have understood it without having had this explanation, and it seems Grimes had no idea either. It would best be convertee to a redirect to the current module, to preserve historical links. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:39, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::Redirects don't really work on modules. I have nominated for deletion — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:43, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
== Nomination for deletion of [[Module:Authority control (arts)]] ==
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1620s establishments in Romania]]==
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1700s establishments in Romania]]==
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1530s in Romania]]==
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==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:Years of the 17th century in Romania]]==
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== [[Nicholas Longworth Dillard]] ==
Hi Fram! I ''believe'' that the copyright issues on [[Nicholas Longworth Dillard]] have been solved and the correct revisions have been revdeled. If you see any obvious errors please let me know, as this is my first time actually performing a revdel, but I believe the most recent visible edit does not contain any copyright violations at this point. <span style="color:green">[[User:ThadeusOfNazereth|ThadeusOfNazereth]](he/him)<sup>[[User talk:ThadeusOfNazereth|Talk to Me!]]</sup></span> 12:33, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks. I would personally have revdelled up until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Longworth_Dillard&oldid=1301927520 this one], still having the close paraphrasing for "By 1933, he presented the Caswell County School Board with a graduating class ready for their final year, "[https://caswellarts.org/Before_Us], but that's at least a lot less than what we had originally. We also still have "Known for his ability to listen, his powerful speaking skills, and his dedication to education, " (source text) closely paraphrased, but that one could perhaps best be solved by turning it into a quote instead of trying to rewrite. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:52, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
::Gotcha. I trimmed some of that language + added the extra revdels out of caution. Copyvio checks are a pretty engaging process - I may try to get more involved in that area! <span style="color:green">[[User:ThadeusOfNazereth|ThadeusOfNazereth]](he/him)<sup>[[User talk:ThadeusOfNazereth|Talk to Me!]]</sup></span> 13:16, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:18, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
== Factual Accuracy tag on Women's Ashes ==
Hi, I know we've had disputes regarding the women's Ashes, however the 2025 Ashes is officially shelved following the IRL media release this week in which they confirmed Australia's post season international. The [[Women's rugby league Ashes]] page has been updated as such, and I wanted your opinion to know if there was anything further that needed resolving. Thanks in advance. [[User:Mn1548|Mn1548]] ([[User talk:Mn1548|talk]]) 10:46, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks, I made some small adjustments and removed the tag. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:54, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Category:1977 establishments in Slovenia]]==
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== Translate Chinese wiki pages with LLM ==
Hello. Actually, I am just use LLM to translate Chinese Wikipedia pages to English. [[User:SgtRL-3|SgtRL-3]] ([[User talk:SgtRL-3|talk]]) 09:12, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
:You shouldn't do this. See [[Help:Translation]], "Wikipedia consensus is that an unedited machine translation, left as a Wikipedia article, is worse than nothing. " There have been many discussions about the use of LLMs recently, and the general consensus is that the use of LLMs is unwanted on enwiki. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:18, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
::I spent a lot of time proofreading the links and templates for these articles, though. [[User:SgtRL-3|SgtRL-3]] ([[User talk:SgtRL-3|talk]]) 09:22, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
:::And the actual contents? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:24, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
::::As a railfan, I checked these and did some proofreading in line with English. Mainly in the infobox section. [[User:SgtRL-3|SgtRL-3]] ([[User talk:SgtRL-3|talk]]) 09:27, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Please don't use LLMs in the future. If you only or mainly check links, templates, and the infobox, then you ignore the most important part of the article, the actual body of text. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 09:30, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Got it. [[User:SgtRL-3|SgtRL-3]] ([[User talk:SgtRL-3|talk]]) 09:30, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
== Declined speedy deletion: [[ Bhatejas]] ==
Hi, Fram! I wanted to let you know that I declined your [[WP:G4|G4 speedy deletion]] nomination of [[Bhatejas]] because it is not sufficiently similar to the [[Bhateja ]]article deleted via discussion earlier this year. If you believe Bhatejas doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, feel free to nominate for deletion via AFD. Thank you! [[User:Significa liberdade|Significa liberdade <small>(she/her)</small>]] ([[User talk:Significa liberdade|talk]]) 15:09, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
== List of Paranormal events recorded in Wiltshire ==
Hiya! I saw that you flagged an article im working on as giving too many examples and using untrustworthy sources, which is honestly completely fair, ive tried to reduce the number of similar examples i have given, i would like to know what else you would recommend, this is a part of my local history and especially with this sort of thing it is important to be as objective as possible [[User:The Spodel|The Spodel]] ([[User talk:The Spodel|talk]]) 15:12, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
:It might be best to post about this one at [[WP:FTN]], the fringe theories noticeboard: they are most experienced in how to deal with this, what is acceptable and what isn't, and so on. I see you for example removed that self-piblished "Warminster triangle" book, which wasn't a reliable source as far as I could tell. But I wonder what they will think about e.g. the Paranormal Database or the primary source the UFO report, which is basically just repeating whatever people reported, without any fact checking (I think), and would thus probably include many weather balloons and the like. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 15:25, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you, its worth noting The Warminster Triangle is largely a secondary source itself mainly quoting local newspapers from the time, which being 60 years old are impossible to track down, thank you for pointing me in the right direct though! [[User:The Spodel|The Spodel]] ([[User talk:The Spodel|talk]]) 15:29, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
::ah okay so they say to just quote directly from reliable sources, so I'll do what I can to make it clear they are just reports, also since I can't tell the legitimacy of the paranormal database I'll avoid using them as a sole source [[User:The Spodel|The Spodel]] ([[User talk:The Spodel|talk]]) 16:25, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
== Clan Commane ==
Just to be clear
I added the CSD tag on this because the article does mention living persons of which are covered by the users TBan (broadly construed).
The suggestions put in your in your edit summary of the revert assumed things quite beyond my intention there... [[User:Nayyn|Nayyn]] ([[User talk:Nayyn|talk]]) 20:46, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
== Food in Antarctica ==
Hello,
I don't agree with your nomination for speedy deletion of tha article [[Food in Antarctica]]. G4 rule can't be used in this case, since the original deleted article ''Cuisine of Antarctica'' had clearly different content than the current one. I already disputed this in the talk page, along with one other user. Thanks. [[User:Bedinek|Bedinek]] ([[User talk:Bedinek|talk]]) 09:57, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
:I'll let an admin decide. The article you translated and the article originally deleted here were created at the same time, seems quite a coincidence if they didn't have the same contents. No idea why you recreated the "cuisine" redirect since there is no such thing. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:05, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
== Please take [[List of Olympic competitors]] to AfD instead of draftifying without consensus ==
@[[User:Fram|Fram]], the reason is that there are many redirects with substantial page history and categories that redirect to the list, and mass draftifying would lead to those automatically being deleted. --[[User:Habst|Habst]] ([[User talk:Habst|talk]]) 12:26, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
:Then change their targets. You bot-created these problematic lists "without consensus" and can't even see the issues when they are pointed out to you apparently. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 12:31, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
::I did not create them with a bot. You don't need consensus to create articles on Wikipedia, but as a precaution I did post at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Creating a list of Olympic competitors]] a full week before creating the list taking into account feedback on the format understanding there was consensus for its creation at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Standardizing "Country at the YYYY Summer Olympics" articles]]. --[[User:Habst|Habst]] ([[User talk:Habst|talk]]) 13:09, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
:::An unsupervised script is the same as a bot. And you created further articles three days after the first one, not a full week. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 13:18, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I wanted to clarify that creating this lists was a mostly manual effort that involved thousands of painstakingly laborious and at times menial tasks (such as linking names to Wikidata items) done by me; I never left a script running unattended. I created a new format for the lists that addressed the issues you pointed out and replaced all existing lists with it. --[[User:Habst|Habst]] ([[User talk:Habst|talk]]) 05:41, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
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== Why did you revert my contribution in "The Smurfs" article? ==
hi @[[User:Fram|Fram]],
why did you revert my edits in the smurfs article? If you have a problem with something i wrote you can change the word or sentance, why erase the entire paragraph? It was relevant and referenced. Thanks. [[User:Rockwizfan|Rockwizfan]] ([[User talk:Rockwizfan|talk]]) 10:26, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
:I doubt it is a reliable source, and you used chatgtp to generate your edit, which shouldn't be done anyway. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
== Non PD Barclay's picture ==
Hi,
Please note that the file you reintroduced in the article [[The_Apple_(1980_film)]] is not PD and has to be deleted [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apple_(1980_film)#/media/File:EddieBarclay-1954.png].
Regards. [[User:Tisourcier|Tisourcier]] ([[User talk:Tisourcier|talk]]) 10:54, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
:If it gets deleted at Commons, it will automatically be removed. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram#top|talk]]) 10:57, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
== New pages patrol September 2025 Backlog drive ==
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* On 1 September 2025, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin.
* Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled.
* Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive.
* Each review will earn 1 point.
* Interested in taking part? '''[[Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/September 2025/Participants|Sign up here]]'''.
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