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== People should see the song for themselves ==

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== Dispicable, but remain calm ==

While this is probably some of the worst stuff I've ever heard, I think it's important that we as Wikipedians keep a cool head and maintain NPOV, as this will no doubt draw more and more attention and anger as the days pass. Some points I think we need to establish: 1) This is only ''allegedly'' a US Marine. 2) The song was condemned by both CAIR ''and'' the USMC. 3) An investigation is underway. I've added that info as well as the horrible lyrics to the article. —[[User:Aiden|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#077cd0;">'''Aiden'''</fontspan>]] 00:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Whats dispicable about it? Its just a song. IMO what is dispicable is anyone's attempt to railroad this poor guy for entertaining his fellow soldiers in arms. --[[User:Jack DeLeon|Jack DeLeon]] 10:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Well let's stay on topic of the article, but I think we'd all agree there is a line that he crossed singing about the deaths of people as a joke. —[[User:Aiden|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#077cd0;">'''Aiden'''</fontspan>]] 14:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

::So, I assume you condemn a great deal of gangsta rap as "crossing a line" and would call it "despicable"? [[User:Aaronimo|Aaronimo]] 14:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

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::::You didn't answer the question. As far as I can tell, a good deal of gangsta rap boasts about killing people. Is it also "despicable"? [[User:Aaronimo|Aaronimo]] 22:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for expanding the article, when I initially created this article I had 1 line of info and 2 external links. I was more concerned about creating it so that when people search "hadji Girl" on the net, this article would be one of the first things to come up. I do think this video is significant, especially during these times of marine murder allegations in Iraq. At the moment I think only msnbc has had an article about it, not sure if any other media outlets picked it up yet. This could be big news in the media, or it might never develope into anything important. It will be intresting to see what happends if anything. —[[User:Pallfy|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#077cd0;">'''Pallfy'''</fontspan>]] 11:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

== Accidently created a new article ==

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:This is your last warning for editing Hadji Girl. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. // Tawkerbot2 16:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Fuck this. I'm outta here. It's not worth my time. {{<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:72.56.10.196|72.56.10.196}}]] ([[User talk:72.56.10.196|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/72.56.10.196|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:Hmm... It is probably because you aren't registered. —[[User:Aiden|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#077cd0;">'''Aiden'''</fontspan>]] 16:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

::I suspect it's also because he was primarily adding the word fuck and nothing else. While it might have been justified in this case (although it's irrelevant now that the lyrics are gone), it would be difficult to programme a bot which is smart enough to realise adding the word fuck in this case to a page was not vandalism. I guess it could perhaps be programmed to realise replacing f*ck with fuck and replacing expletive deleted with fuck is probably not vandalism but other then that I don't know. But given that this issue rarely comes up it isn't a problem IMHO [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 09:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

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When I searched for this video on google, most of the websites or forums that had this video linked had a similare type commentary. They said its a just joke, and that if you are a lefty wuss you shouldnt watch.

How is this in anyway a tastefull joke? "Hadji" is a racist word used by marines for Iraqis, it is not a word of affection. Would you say a similare song titled "N-Word* Girl" would be a joke? Using a little girls as human a shield and laughing "maniacly" when the blood splats between her eyes is just bad taste.—[[User:Pallfy|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#077cd0;">'''Pallfy'''</fontspan>]] 22:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Nice signature. —[[User:Aiden|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#077cd0;">'''Aiden'''</fontspan>]] 23:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

:Good point - I Agree -[[User:Wildboyz 211|wildboyz_211]] 14:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

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: I'd say that the lyrics are in the public ___domain at this point, and in any event given the nature of the issue being cataloged in Wikipedia here, especially the controversy about the song and its characterization by CAIR and others, it seems to me that we have a pretty clear case of "fair use." Have you done anyting to try and contact Cpl. Belile to get a direct indicator on this? If not, I will be happy to do so. In all candor, the suppression of the lyrics, especially in the context of a preemptory fear of copyright issues and in the absence of a request by the copyright owner, could easily be perceived or characterized as departing from NPOV. I am legally trained and have actually dealth with copyright issues. I cannot think of a clearer "fair use" framework than this one (the controversey, about which the article speaks and which is the whole reason the topic gained sufficent prominence to warrant an article, depends on the lyrics, and thus it is fair use to publish them for purpose of commentary and educational use). In any event, the "copyright" implications are not remedied by removing the lyrics from the exisiting edit, as Wikipedia "republishes" the lyrics freely to anyone who looks at a prior version of the article. In other words, if the lyrics _are_ a copyright problem, the problem is not remedied by deletion becuase of how Wikipedia works in archiving prior edits. Suppressing the lyrics in this context serves only to alter the NPOV ballance of the story, IMHO. Just my $0.02 [[User:216.17.139.240|216.17.139.240]] 04:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

::The video was uncopyrighted and posted on YouTube.com. If that's not the public ___domain I don't know what is. —[[User:Aiden|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#077cd0;">'''Aiden'''</fontspan>]] 04:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

:::The lyrics are not in the [[public ___domain]] unless Bellile explicitly states so. Otherwise, under [[United States copyright law]], he has implicit copyright valid until 50 years after his death. It is irrelevant whether the video was posted anywhere. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 07:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

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:It's not funny, and just because it's not in America means it's okay to use racial slurs and joking about mass murder? OH OKAY. Trying very, very hard not to invoke Godwin's law here. And by the way, they ARE killing families, have you even seen the news? Ever? Besides watching juvenile movies, that is. Of course there are no pending investigations whatsoever. Get fucking educated. You smack of a young upper middle class white male, and hey, since I'M NOT AMERICAN, IT MUST BE PERFECTLY OKAY! Check your privlege at the door before you say it's okay to use racial slurs.[[User:76.185.10.76|76.185.10.76]] 12:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

::Mass murder? The protagonist of the song is ambushed by two men, who kill their own family member trying to shoot at the protagonist, after which the protagonist shoots the two men. Three people die. Again, mass murder? [[User:Unigolyn|Unigolyn]] 03:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

User:76.185.10.76, please read [[wp:npa]]. Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Thanks. [[User:Fredsagirl|Fredsagirl]] 05:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

===Lyrics===

*http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=1140

''' ''Hadji Girl'' '''

<blockquote>

<br />

I was out in the sands of Iraq<br />

And we were under attack<br />

And I, well, I didn’t know where to go.<br />

<br />

And the first thing that I could see was<br />

Everybody’s favorite [[Burger King]]<br />

So I threw open the door and I hit the floor.<br />

<br />

Then suddenly to my surprise<br />

I looked up and I saw her eyes<br />

And I knew it was love at first sight.<br />

<br />

And she said…<br />

[[Durka Durka]] [[Mohammed]] [[Jihad]]<br />

[[Sherpa Sherpa]] [[Bak Allah]]<br />

[[Hadji]] girl, I can’t understand what you’re saying.<br />

<br />

And she said…<br />

Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad<br />

Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah<br />

Hadji girl, I love you anyway.<br />

<br />

Then she said that she wanted me to see.<br />

She wanted me to go meet her family<br />

But I, well, I couldn’t figure out how to say no.<br />

<br />

Cause I don’t speak [[Arabic]].<br />

<br />

So, she took me down an old dirt trail.<br />

And she pulled up to a side shanty<br />

And she threw open the door and I hit the floor.<br />

<br />

Cause her brother and her father shouted…<br />

Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad<br />

Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah<br />

They pulled out their AKs so I could see<br />

<br />

And they said…<br />

Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad<br />

Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah<br />

(with humorous emphasis:)<br />

So I grabbed her little sister, and pulled her in front of me.<br />

<br />

As the bullets began to fly<br />

The blood sprayed from between her eyes<br />

And then I laughed maniacally<br />

<br />

Then I hid behind the TV<br />

And I locked and loaded my [[M16 rifle|M-16]]<br />

And I blew those little f*ckers to eternity.<br />

<br />

And I said…<br />

Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad<br />

Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah<br />

They should have known they were f*ckin’ with a Marine.<br />

<br />

<br />

<br />

<br /></blockquote>

--[[User:Root Beers|Root Beers]] 11:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== C.A.I.R Backlash ==

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*http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?page=cair61306%2Ehtm

*http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/06/hadji_girl_sing_1.php--[[User:Root Beers|Root Beers]] 11:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)