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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. '''This page is no longer live.''' Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. <br >The result of the debate was '''keep'''. —[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 01:48, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
===[[Red Lake High School]]===
Another non-notable high school. Don't be fooled. Just because some kid killed some people dosen't make the school notable. Otherwise any kid could come and commit a crime to get their school in the encyclopedia. [[User:School deletionist|School deletionist]] 11:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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* While I'm not necessarily in favor of school articles, this nomination seems to be in bad faith because of the tone and the username. The nominator may well be a sockpuppet given his lack of any other edits. '''Abstain'''. [[User:Radiant!| ]][[User_talk:Radiant!|Radiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 11:37, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[User:Saopaulo1|Saopaulo1]] 11:42, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
*Keep. Clearly a bad faith nomination. I think the incident should have its own article, tho. --[[User:ContiE|Conti]]|[[User talk:ContiE|
* Keep, of course, this is news [[User:Wlievens|Wouter Lievens]] 11:45, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
* '''Transwiki to wikinews''' and come back when we can be sure it is in fact notable. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:57, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
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*Concur with MacGyver. '''Wikinews'''. Also the article's name is wrong, as the content is about the shooting. [[User:Radiant!| ]][[User_talk:Radiant!|Radiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 12:04, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', I think it should have it's own article, it is a ___location very much like [[Columbine High School|Columbine]] which got it's own article, and people should be reminded what happened at Red Lake [[User:Foxcek|Foxcek]] 12:06, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' or '''Redirect''', but I think redirecting would be a better solution; maybe to something like [[2005 Red Lake shooting]]. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee]]|[[User talk:Frazzydee|
*'''Keep''' - major news item that is encyclopedic. The naming is not the issue here and should be covered on the talk page under the guidance of [[WP:RM]], as is happening currently. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 12:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - This VFD is trolling. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] 13:00, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' for excellent reasons stated. - [[User:Lucky 6.9|Lucky 6.9]] 02:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' This high school and [[Columbine High School]] are both not noteworthy. The Columbine High School's "famous" alumni mentioned in the article: "''country songwriter/artist [[Skip Ewing]], melancholy pop band [[Big Head Todd and the Monsters]] (all three members), and 1988 Olympic Gold [[Medalist Melanie Palenik]]''" don't even have an article yet. The last paragraph "''the order Columbiformes includes the 308 species of doves''" is also a joke. A high school is a high school. Unless it actually becomes something such as an elite high school, it's no more than a human butcher shop. Is there an article dealing with the garage at 2122 N. Clark Street, Chicago? Certainly not. Just because some people were killed over there on February 14, 1929, does not earn that lousy garage an article in an encyclopedia. -- [[User:Toytoy|Toytoy]] 06:55, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
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*** No, I mean there's no article about that particular garage (just a building) in a way similar to the [[White House]] (the building) and the [[War of 1812]] (a historical incident that damaged that building) -- [[User:Toytoy|Toytoy]] 13:30, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
****When I realized my mistake you already had answered. [[User:Pablo.cl|Pablo.cl]] 18:49, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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** On June 28, 1914, [[Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria]] was assassinated in Sarajevo in a car. The car does not have an article. The bullet that killed him is stored as a museum exhibit in Czech Republic. It also does not have an article. Neither do the car, bullets, blood-stained shirt and other things involved in the JFK assassination have an article of their own. That high school is just a faceless high school. It does not have a story of its own. Even if it has some, we are not interested in them (other than the massacre). That school is not a place for you to visit. If we need its information (who?), we visit its website (place it as an external link in the massacre article) for the latest information. Otherwise, just another useless high school article does not enrich this encyclopedia in any way. [[Beslan school hostage crisis]] occured about six months ago, do you care about that [[Beslan Middle School Number One]]? Sorry, it's still a dead link. The Michael Moore movie is irrelevant. Several McDonald's appeared in [[Supersize Me]], none of them deserves any article. -- [[User:Toytoy|Toytoy]] 02:03, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
***Wikipedia is not paper. [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 03:29, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
**** Wikipedia is also not an information landfill. There's an article for [[Suzanne Vega]], a famous female singer; another for "[[Tom's Diner]]", one of her greatest songs. I don't see the need of an article for that diner ([[Tom's Restaurant]]) on the corner of Broadway and 112th Street in New York City even though that diner also appeared in ''[[
*'''Keep,''' [[WP:POINT]]. Obviously nominated by a disgruntled ultra-inclusionist (probably [[User:GRider|GRider]]). [[User:Binadot|Binadot]] 04:17, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. [[WP:POINT]] [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]][[User_talk:Jayjg|<sup
* '''Keep'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 00:00, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' School massacres are fortunately not all that common. [[User:PatGallacher|PatGallacher]] 17:53, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and allow for organic growth. --[[User:GRider|GRider]]\<sup>[[User_talk:GRider|talk]]</sup> 18:21, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. [[User:Sarge Baldy|Sarge Baldy]] 21:10, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' way above the notability bar. [[User:Alkivar|<
* Keep. Others have noted why. --[[User:Dittaeva|Dittaeva]] 21:33, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' - Concur with [[user:Radiant!|Radiant]], nominator's choice of username and his/her [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=School_deletionist Contributions]] strongly indicates the possibility of a sockpuppet at work. - [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 21:55, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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**** Yes, if a developer would oblige, this should be investigated. --[[User:GRider|GRider]]\<sup>[[User_talk:GRider|talk]]</sup> 22:06, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Keep - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 22:09, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''merge and redirect''' onto the article about the shooting. The school isn't notable for anything else, so why have two articles? [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 22:18, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - The shootings will inevitably lead to interest in the background of the school. This article should be expanded very soon, but certainly not deleted.--[[User:LukeSurl|LukeSurl]] 23:04, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' with the article on the massacre. Split back out later if needed. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] 23:06, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' content as background to the massacre article and '''redirect''' title there. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 00:32, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. All public institutions belong in Wikipedia.--[[User:Gene Poole|Gene_poole]] 02:20, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Contains interesting information - Wikipedia is not paper. --[[User:ShaunMacPherson|ShaunMacPherson]] 02:43, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. School's status is now notable following the recent massacre and it deserves an article. --[[User:Andylkl|Andylkl]] [[User_talk:Andylkl|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:17, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
*'''KEEP'''. This Vfd is totally messed up. How can you say that a school shooting, or in this case a massacre, doesn't make a school notable? I'm sure [[Columbine High School|Columbine]] and [[Santee High School|Santee]] were the same way (non-notable) before their's happened, but national news, even worldwide news changes the perception of a formerly non-notable place, especially when death is involved. (odd though, Santee doesnt have an article...)-- [[User:Riffsyphon1024|Riffsyphon1024]] 04:43, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Extreme keep''' for the many many reasons above. —[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 08:24, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
'''Keep''', obviously. ([[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade]] | [[user_talk:Sam Spade|talk]] | [[Special:contributions/Sam Spade|contributions]]) 09:31, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and improve. If the existence of the school is not disputed, then there is no reason that this is not a valid article topic. Notability is subjective, but schools with more than a few students should automatically pass the test. [[m:Wiki_is_not_paper#No_size_limits|Wiki is not paper]]. Someone please wake me up when there is finally a policy vote about keeping school articles. [[User:Leif|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<kbd>'''~'''[[User:Leif|leif]]</kbd> ☺ [[User_talk:Leif|<sub>HELO</sub>]] 20:32, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
** Wiki is not paper not is it garbage can. Other than a murder, these schools are not noteworthy. There are articles for colleges because you may want to select a college that's best for you regardless of distance. A New Yorker who lives next to the NYU may want to go to Stanford to complete his/her education. I don't see too many people who live in Long Island and go to a high school in, maybe, Brooklyn. High schools, except for some truly great ones, are not noteworthy. -- [[User:Toytoy|Toytoy]] 01:07, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
* '''delete'''. bring the wikinews article back and pretty it up when it's stable and ready to be a wikipedia article.
* '''Keep'''. Notable like [[Columbine High School]] is notable. --[[User:L33tminion|L33tminion]] <small>|</small> [[User talk:L33tminion|(talk)]] 00:54, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. '''Please do not edit this page'''.
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