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== Should this page get a higher protection level? ==

== 1900+ sentences for ... getting started? ==

Used an online utility to scan readability of what should be an introduction:

''Indication of the number of years of formal education that a person requires in order to easily understand the text on the first reading''

Gunning Fog index: 20.45

''Approximate representation of the U.S. grade level needed to comprehend the text:''

29.80 Coleman Liau index

22.91 Flesch Kincaid Grade level

26.81 ARI (Automated Readability Index)

17.19 SMOG:

-31.27 Flesch Reading Ease:

Number of characters (without spaces): 324,404.00

Number of words: 40,646.00

Number of sentences: 1,909.00

[https://www.online-utility.org/text/lexical-density.jsp Lexical Density]: 92.64

... and so on.

'''Suggestion:''' Might a better approach include a search box for "How do I ...?" related inquiries? [[User:Jasonbrown1965|Jasonbrown1965]] ([[User talk:Jasonbrown1965|talk]]) 10:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

This page can be edited by a lot of people. [[User:SuperASAX|SuperASAX]] ([[User talk:SuperASAX|talk]]) 22:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

:Seeing no response I must conclude that, for getting started as an editor, Wikipedia is dysfunctional.

== "[[:Welcome to Wikipedia]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==

:Nineteen hundred sentences!

[[File:Information.svg|30px]]

:1900 ^

The redirect <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Welcome_to_Wikipedia&redirect=no Welcome to Wikipedia]</span> has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|redirects for discussion]] to determine whether its use and function meets the [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect guidelines]]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{section link|1=Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 18#Welcome to Wikipedia}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> '''[[User:MouseCursor|MouseCursor]]''' ^{[[User talk:MouseCursor|or a keyboard?]]} 08:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

:1.9k ^ [[User:Jasonbrown1965|Jasonbrown1965]] ([[User talk:Jasonbrown1965|talk]]) 06:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

::@[[User:Jasonbrown1965|Jasonbrown1965]], I'm very much not a fan of this page either. It should be formatted more as a back-end list of different attempts at making a starting page than an actual starting page itself, and it should never be the place we send newcomers. I think [[Help:Introduction]] does a somewhat better job, although it's still longer than it ought to be. Overall, Wikipedia has an inherent amount of complexity that'll never fully be simplifyable, but we can do a lot better. Regarding your search box idea, the present search box at the top of each page is capable of ___location help pages if you just prefix your query with "WP:" or "Help:". Of course, that's only useful if people actually know to do it... <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> ^{[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]} 06:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

:::Had a quick look at Help:Introduction and yes much better job.

:::Suggestion: Could an interim answer be as simple (ha!) as beginner/advanced toggles?

:::And/or, more appropriately, simple, well-flagged wikipedia pages.

:::Suggestion: legacy wordhacks suggest simple draft text, and,

:::hand-off to more technically competent editors?

:::Further suggestion: drafting process NOT take place on "Talk" pages.

:::Why? The full-screen text format 'might' be comfortable for coders,

:::but information overload for anyone else.

:::Query: is there an app for ^ that?*

:::Agreed: "Of course, that's only useful if people actually know to do it"

:::Exactly. Thanks for the prompt, from whence come suggestions.

:::Comment: Emphathise with any and all editors/admins/techs,

:::having to make Wikipedia aircraft carrier turn like a gunboat. I'm

:::grateful to get feedback.

:::ps: late reply, still getting over a double-concussion.

:::Sometime brain work. Sometime nah.

:::Excuse line breaks,

:::easier for brain

:::* e.g. an app that turns a hideous wall of text into something mobile-friendly, responsive [[User:Jasonbrown1965|Jasonbrown1965]] ([[User talk:Jasonbrown1965|talk]]) 08:14, 6 July 2023 (UTC)