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== CSB ==

Re: your mentioning of Nafaanra there. Actually, I was being mildly ironic &mdash; mentioning the LRA FA-candidacy there did not get it any extra attention. I think CSB is great, but that it's too loose to get the healthy sense of self-assurance other Wikiprojects draw their energy from. An 'accomplishments' page might improve that. But thanks for the kind words! Warmest regards, [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 14:51, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Ah yes... subtlety. The fact that I basically ripped the CSB template up and then wandered about reorganizing pages, and got the mildest of responses, did raise questions in my mind about the level of focus of the group. Do you think that the project is inherently unfocused? If so it might be worth making CSB a skeleton umbrella group for a variety of more focused groups, such as the [[Wikipedia:Africa-related regional notice board|Africa-related regional notice board]] and others for Women's Studies, Latin America, etc. - [[User:BanyanTree|BanyanTree]] 15:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

::You hit the nail on the head. If you take the time to read the (messy) talk page, you'll see that there have been various proposals to improve the structure of the project. It's just that no-one takes the time to really remould it. I'm not planning to devote time to it either, because (1) I'm countering the systemic bias anyway in the area of African languages and linguistics, and because (2) the Linguistics section on CSB Open Tasks is working quite well as a more focused group. [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 17:06, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Ugh. I just took a look; that's nasty. I suppose that the way you're doing is the most logical. Even the members on the Africa board have really divergent interests and forming smaller ad-hoc working groups is most efficient given the inability to form an over-arching structure. Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|BanyanTree]] 20:10, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Congo ==

I see someone's done some great work translating some of the Congo articles into French. At least I assume it's great, since I can't read it. - [[User:Xed|<small>XED</small>]].[[User talk:Xed|<small>talk</small>]] 17:39, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:(''moved from Xed's talk page'') Thanks for giving me a heads up. That's amazing. They already have the assaulted women photo I put up yesterday on [[Second Congo War]]. I suppose we owed them for taking the [[Rwandan Genocide]] subpages. ;) - [[User:BanyanTree|BanyanTree]] 18:20, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== thanks ==

Thanks for your nice welcome note. [[User:Teemu Leisti|Teemu Leisti]] 22:57, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

*I second that! Thanks! [[User:Leyanese|Leyanese]] 19:45, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

::You're both very welcome. I hope you enjoy Wikipedia as much as I do. Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|''Tree'']] 19:47, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== CSB 2 ==

Don't forget you can vote for your own nominations! - [[User:Xed|<small>XED</small>]].[[User talk:Xed|<small>talk</small>]] 13:05, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Given how how many of the candidates right now are my own, I'm refraining. It would just look silly to have my name on ''every'' nominee. Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|''Tree'']] 06:09, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== MP3 Blog Edit ==

What is your justification for removing the Knobtweakers link?

:It had just been removed with a variety of off-topic external links. It has been added several times previously only to be removed. The only edits done by the anonymous user who put it back shortly afterwards have been to add the link. The evidence of self-interested spam is pretty convincing. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|''Tree'']] 08:18, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Did you bother to look at the site? It has hundreds of direct links to very high-quality music. It's providing a very valuable service to the electronic music community. Talented artists who have had literally zero song downloads get hundreds overnight when a link is posted to their music. The top ten lists are syndicated in print by several local community papers across the US. IMO, the social importance of the resource is a lot better criteria than who posted the link, or how many times it's been edited off the page.

:I did take a look at it. It has less commentary that I expected and, as someone with a moderate amount of experience browsing through MP3 blogs, I had never heard of it before. The list was originally started for the most well-known and representative blogs. I'm not fussed enough to get into a revert war, but I'm obviously not the only one who thinks that it is the odd-man out in the list as every other time it has been inserted somebody has removed it. Oh, yeah - and please sign your posts with the quadruple tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|''Tree'']] 09:02, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Lackluster is a talented electronic music producer who has connections with Merck and Bleep (Warp Records, widely known for the Aphex Twin affiliation). The other day, A.Vanvranken sent him a demo CD. Lackluster replied in a very nice letter that he loved the music, but he had to rip the songs to Mp3 so he could sell the CD and buy some bread to eat.

These guys need to reach a wider audience so that they can afford to keep making quality music. I'm filling a much needed role in the electronic music community.

"I've noticed a lot of traffic from your site, so thanks for

the help! :) Peace and respect!" -- KGBkid

This is why I keep reposting my link, and this is why I will continue to do so until it stays put. I hope that doesn't offend you. As for the commentary, about 70% of my subscribers use iPodder, and rarely see the comments, anyway. It is an Mp3 blog, after all. It's about the music.

[[User:Dilvie|Dilvie]] 10:36, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Culture of the DRC ==

Hi. This article might be of interest to you - ([[User:Xed/draft5]]). It's a bit ambitious in scope, and probably won't be done for ages. Fell free to edit, correct and add info if you have time - [[User:Xed|<small>XED</small>]].[[User talk:Xed|<small>talk</small>]] 21:33, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Hey there! ==

I enjoyed reading your userpage. Your citation of [[Armstrong High School (Richmond, Virginia)]], of which I am the primary author, sent through me a twinge of pride. [[User:Ground|Ground]] 04:24, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Deservedly so. Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|''Tree'']] 04:28, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wheeeee! LRA on the frontpage! Once again congratulations and thanks for the cool collaboration! Cheers, [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 12:03, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks! I actually had no idea that it was on the front page until several hours later. For those few hours I was completely confused about why there was a rush of editing. Ha! - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 14:59, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

::Aha... see [[Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article]] :) [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 21:51, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Source for Historical temperature record ==

Hi. You added:

: ''Recent evidence suggests that a sudden and short-lived climactic shift between 2200 and 2100 BCE occurred in the region between [[Tibet]] and [[Iceland]], with some evidence suggesting a global change. The result was a cooling and reduction in precipitation. This is believed to be a primary cause of the collapse of the [[Old Kingdom]] of [[Egypt]].''

to [[Historical temperature record]]. I'm not quibbly about the text, but it really needs a source ([[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] 21:39, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)).

:I've added a reference, albeit one from a archaeologist rather than a climatologist. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 21:50, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==[[Church of God International]]==

Thanks for the flower. I wikified and NPOV'ed a lot of contributions by [[User:61.9.2.114]] related to that religion. Sounded like the savior himself is on air. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 06:10, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

== Nomination ==

Thanks for nominating me, BanyanTree. I wonder what people will say! I am, however, not the author of [[Laal language]]; that is [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]]. I did not take the liberty to change your nomination myself but I pointed it out in a note when accepting. Cheers, [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 17:35, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Ah, sorry. I had seen your name in association with it so much that I had just assumed. Yeah, VfA seems to be one of the few places where you can learn whether or not you've somehow offended a large number of people. ;) Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 17:40, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:And here I thought going to [[WP:FAC]] was old hat for you. I thought you were my guru guiding me and [[Lord's Resistance Army]]! :D Then [[Nafaanra language]] is an even bigger deal than I had realized. Let me repeat my congratulations on it passing through. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 17:54, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::Ha! I had been involved in Peer Review and FAC earlier, but Lord's Resistance Army was indeed the first article I nominated myself :). Thank you for the kind words. [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 20:27, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Trollnet ==

Why to delete the [[Trollnet]] article? It's simple [[troll organization]], it's information and Wikipedia needs it. --[[User:200.172.115.194|200.172.115.194]] 02:33, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:You removed a delete tag and I replaced it. If the article is legit, explain so on the talk page so an administrator can view your argument and see if it should be deleted or not. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 02:36, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:: I removed what? this is a legit article, yes and I simple revert this and explain in discuss.

:::Removing the <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> tag is a tactic often used by [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandals]] to save their articles. When I reverted your removal of it, you had not put anything into the talk page. I've taken another look at it and personally do not think it is worthy of a speedy deletion now that you've offered an explanation. I will thus not revert it again. You may want to expand the article a little more to explain why it matters as other Wikipedians may assume that any article on [[internet troll]]s is done by a troll to get attention, and try to delete it again. Sorry for the confusion and happy editing. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 02:47, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

For rving the vandalism on my user page :)--[[User:FarQPwnsJoo|FarQPwnsJoo]] 02:48, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Not at all. Glad to help. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 02:54, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== CSB once again ==

Just a short note. When we are finished remoulding CSB and when everything looks neat and tidy we should notify the editor(s) of [[WP:SIGN|The Signpost]]; that would get CSB a lot more attention. Other places to advertise might be Goings On and the Village Pump (Misc). Ideally, we'd present a short overview of the most significant CSB results so far. Additionally, it is certainly worth noting that both Wikipedia's systemic bias and the CSB project have gotten quite some blogosphere coverage, partly thanks to Xed giving it some publicity outside of Wikipedia: [http://h2odev.law.harvard.edu/ezuckerman/ Ethan Zuckerman], [http://headheeb.blogmosis.com/archives/026942.html Post by Xed on ''the Head Heeb''], also [http://www.boingboing.net/2004/09/27/zuckerman_wikipedia_.html], [http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/blog/?p=495] and this Google searches: [http://www.google.com/search?q=xed+%22countering+systemic+bias%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official], [http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=countering+systemic+bias&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=e&as_sitesearch=wikipedia.org]. [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 19:40, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:That's a really good idea. I sometimes forget that everyone doesn't already know. ;) Do you think that we draft an article for [[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] to edit? I'll start destroying things on CSB this weekend, probably tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see if my vision of the ideal page fits anybody else's... - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 22:23, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary to draft an article (and I don't have the time for it anyway); but maybe it's good to start a list of what can considered significant results of CSB. The featured articles [[Economy of Africa]] and [[H.D.]] come to mind first (those were the early days of CSB) and more recently of course [[Lord's Resistance Army]]. By the way, did you see [[User:Trilobite|Trilobite's]] comments at my Talk page, about CSB and [[User:Xed/draft5]]? [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 00:23, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Actually, I think BanyanTree's right, if you want an article about this it would be nice if you could come up with the draft for me. I'm rather stretched trying to write most of the articles myself. It doesn't have to happen for the upcoming issue, just whenever you get done with whatever you're doing. I'd be happy to get CSB into ''The Signpost'', it's definitely a notable project, but I haven't had time to follow its activity much. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 04:50, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::Wow. Michael, I'm vaguely freaked out that you knew that this conversation was going on. Make that ''really'' freaked out.

::Mark, I have some time so if you tell me what some main points you feel should be covered are, I'd be happy to draft something for the Signpost that you can look over. I did see Trilobite's comments and I think you're both right about using the information. I have to admit to only the most cursory inspection, though I was impressed at the detail I did see. I do feel a little uncomfortable moving something from another person's user space, but I can't imagine he'd want his work to just sit. I'll try to make some time to go through and help clean it up in preparation for the move. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 06:39, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:::What links here was the trick in this case. No, I'm not listening to every conversation on Wikipedia, omnipresence is not one of my talents. I'll leave you in peace now, just drop me a note when you have something. Oh, and my compliments on Lord's Resistance Army, it's one of my favorites. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 07:17, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==CSB reorg proposal==

I some times find the urgency/dynamic that a "... of the week" format generates rather useful. For example, the evolution that [[Partition of India]] underwent as COTW was interesting--it was a topic that I thought would take years and long drawn-out struggles to make sense of.

Having said that, the proposed reorg of CSB makes sense to me. The argument that especially in the field of engaging with systemicly under-represented topics/POVs, the groups of people focused on them really are the ones that can do anything meaningful and should be reached directly thru the Region/Topic-related boards is a strong one.[[User:IFaqeer|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:IFaqeer|iFaqeer]] [[User talk:IFaqeer|(Talk to me!)]] 08:45, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

:I agree about the effects of a CotW. The issue is that for a CotW to effect meaningful change, there must either be a very large body of participants it can draw from (as in the entire wiki) or a small group of dedicated and knowledgeable editors to one topic. CSB is composed of a medium sized group of people with many interests, which seems the explain the highly uneven response to the weekly (or longer) collaborations. I also agree that having collaborations among more focused groups, assuming they have a decent level of membership, might be more fruitful. Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 14:46, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== WP:SIGN ==

Did you see this ? ''German magazine plagiarizes'' in [[WP:SIGN]] ? [[User:Wikiwizzy|Wizzy]]&hellip;[[User talk:Wikiwizzy|<big><big>'''&#9742;'''</big></big>]] 12:08, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

:I had actually put something on it on the [[WP:VP|Pump]] a couple days ago. I suppose it's a backhanded kind of compliment. :-| - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 15:13, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== My adminship ==

Hi BanyanTree! Many thanks again for nominating and supporting me &mdash; now I've got those rollback links on diffs and all other scary new powers... I've been cutting back on my wikitime lately, due to real world commitments. I'll see if I can gather information for a Signpost article about CSB. Another idea I got: if CSB in its new form is ready, we should notify all (more than fifty) participants. I'm sure much of them have lost interest due to the unwieldy structure &mdash; letting them know they can go for it again must be a pleasant task.

After going through the administrator's reading list I'll see what I can do at CSB. Open Tasks needs to be templatized, but I have the feeling that we need some time to do this right (I very much like the 1/4 boxes idea, BTW). Especially your last remark on regional noticeboards got me thinking about the inherent structure of CSB (and it remembered me of earlier, similar remarks by other users). See you! [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 20:18, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Congratulations on your promotion! Don't let the power go to your head. ;) Do you think that we should inform the CSB members before things are settled? There's obviously a lot of work still to be done, and I've been thinking about maybe trying to convince someone to start a Latin America-related regional noticeboard with the template idea. (I find it astonishing that there isn't one already.) But then there's always bound to be more work to be done so maybe it shouldn't wait... Anyway, congratulations once again for going to VFA and getting ''NO'' opposes. Pretty impressive. Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|<font color=green>Tree</font>]] 02:40, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Category:Jewish terrorist organizations ==

Thanks for your work on presenting [[:Category:Terrorist organizations]] as a CfD. I just saw an edit which removed [[:Category:Jewish terrorist organizations]] from the [[Jewish Defense League]] article, calling the category "libellous". I looked at the category [age and saw that some anon had added the CfD tag to it, but had not posted it to the CfD page. I also saw that it survived a CfD in November 2004. Should it be CfD'ed again, or will it be included in the [[:Category:Terrorist organizations]] re-naming? Any thoughts? Cheers, -[[User:Willmcw|Willmcw]] 07:03, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

:It doesn't seem that there will be an automatic renaming of the sub-categories, though one can always hope that some helpful admin will do so. The safest bet would be to see if someone does it and, if they dont', list the sub-categories as one CFD nomination and use the discussion about [[:Category:Terrorist organizations]] as precedent to get them moved to appropriate subcategories of [[:Category:Irregular military]]. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 22:36, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks. -[[User:Willmcw|Willmcw]] 23:00, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

== Edit war ==

Yeah, ever since I'm admin I like to edit war over other user's pages. No seriously, [[User:Ground|Ground's]] edit added a double 'ch' and made your quote into a red link. The easiest way for me to correct that was to push the 'rollback' button. [[User:Mark Dingemanse|<nowiki> </nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 08:39, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I noticed that Ground had tried to fix the redirect, but ended up with a less correct incorrect spelling than I had. :) Thanks for changing it back. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 22:30, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Thank you==

Hi BanyanTree, this is just to say thank you for supporting me in my adminship nomination. I really appreciate your support. Best, [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] 02:04, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

==Africa-geo-stubs==

Thanks for the thanks at WP:WSS! Yes, the Africa-geo-stubs have been divided into five regions, and I've just spent a loong day re-stubbing a lot of them. After a couple of day's break I'm going to have a look to see whether any country-specific stubs are feasible (last time I checked no country had more than about 50 stubs, which is a bit too few for a separate category but (unfortunately) there are always new stubs arriving... [[User:Grutness| Grutness]]|^{[[User_talk:Grutness|hello?]]} [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 12:25, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== [[Swastika]] ==

Hi. I have responded to your comments on the [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Swastika|FAC for this article]]. Perhaps you could respond there. Cheers, <i>[[User:Smoddy|Smoddy]]&nbsp;(_{[[User talk:Smoddy|t]]}^{[[User:Smoddy/Greece gallery|g]]}_{[[Special:Emailuser/Smoddy|e]]}^{[[Special:Contributions/Smoddy|c]]}_{<font class="plainlinks">[http://kohl.wikimedia.org/~kate/cgi-bin/count_edits.cgi?user=Smoddy&dbname=enwiki k]})</i> 23:45, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:I will try to add to the article and respond on the nomination page tomorrow. Regards, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 04:27, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::Wow, great job! You've made huge improvements here, well done. Just one question: ''The swastika is, after the equilateral cross, the second most ubiquitous form of cross between South Asia and the [[Atlantic Ocean]].'' Could you clarify this statement? I'm afraid I don't completely understand it. On a separate note, would you like me to nominate you for adminship? You seem eminently suitable for the job. <i>[[User:Smoddy|Smoddy]]&nbsp;(_{[[User talk:Smoddy|t]]}^{[[User:Smoddy/Greece gallery|g]]}_{[[Special:Emailuser/Smoddy|e]]}^{[[Special:Contributions/Smoddy|c]]}_{<font class="plainlinks">[http://kohl.wikimedia.org/~kate/cgi-bin/count_edits.cgi?user=Smoddy&dbname=enwiki k]})</i> 11:59, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:::Thanks for your kind words! I'm having to remember some stuff that I learned a ''long'' time ago. I've reworded the sentence you mentioned, so hopefully it is a little clearer. I still have some more additions for the article that I should get done today, and then will work on cleaning up my contributions. Unfortunately, because of the lack of depth on American Indian swastikas, I think that I may have to change my FAC vote to abstain rather than support after I finish.

:::I'm flattered by your offer to nominate me, and would accept if you did so. It would certainly help with all the vandal reverting I do! - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 16:13, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::::Nomination made. Good luck! [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/BanyanTree]]. <i>[[User:Smoddy|Smoddy]]&nbsp;(_{[[User talk:Smoddy|t]]}^{[[User:Smoddy/Greece gallery|g]]}_{[[Special:Emailuser/Smoddy|e]]}^{[[Special:Contributions/Smoddy|c]]}_{<font class="plainlinks">[http://kohl.wikimedia.org/~kate/cgi-bin/count_edits.cgi?user=Smoddy&dbname=enwiki k]})</i> 17:07, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Super-user]]==

(pasted from [[Wikipedia talk:Super-user]])''I would actually not like to create another class of users requiring a nomination system, as it would just create more bureaucracy. I've actually been thinking about this since seeing mention of it on VP. One idea to consider would be an automatic upgrading of users after a certain amount of time or edits on the assumption that they are not a troll, and have accumulated enough experience to avoid ignorant mistakes. For example, have the system set up to grant a user who has been registered for more than three months and has more than 1000 edits the ability to do rollbacks and add to In the News, etc. A full-admin could revoke "trusted user" privileges if she feels that they are being abused, and there could be a community review process to have them restored. Because it would be an "automatic" upgrade, I would be uncomfortable with the full-set of powers outlined in the main article. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 15:20, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)''

:How do we go about getting these ideas implemented? [[User:Rad Racer|Rad Racer]] 18:04, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::There's a special page where users can make requests of developers. (Sorry, I don't know exactly where it is.) But they are already overloaded and something this major would obviously require a community consensus. The super-user page is a good start to keep discussion going, but it's bound to be a gradual process of getting people aware of the proposal and then putting it up for a well-publicized vote. I'm not sure what changes are planned for the software, so have no idea how feasible implementing this would be on a technical level, as opposed to a policy one. If you want to keep pushing on it, trying to get some information to answer the technical end and posting to the policy proposal page would be very useful. Good luck! - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 18:22, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Accident at [[WP:FAC]] ==

There was an editing accident (probably MySQL error or cut-n-paste error) on [[Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates]] that resulting in the page contents being duplicated. A number of edits had occurred by the time it was noticed, but I tried to preserve everything while removing duplicate material. Just in case, mosey on over and check if your vote stuck. If you have any questions, respond on my [[User talk:Phyzome|talk page]]. Thanks!

-- [[User:Phyzome|Phyzome]] is [[User talk:Phyzome|Tim McCormack]] 20:53, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)

== Ogaden, redux - Merge [[Ogaden]] & [[Somali Region, Ethiopia]]? ==

Hi BT, It appears to me that [[Ogaden]] and [[Somali Region, Ethiopia]] both refer to the same territory (and perhaps not only by Ogaden nationalists). See [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ogaden+%22Somali+Region%22&btnG=Google+Search Google results]. I had thought that Ogaden lay within the larger Somali Region, as suggested by [http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/cia04/ethiopia_sm04.gif this map]. That small map doesn't show the different regions, but if you imagine a rough line from Dire Dawa to Moyale, most of the area to the right is the present-day Somali Region. Based on this, Ogaden would seem to refer to only the easternmost portion - maybe at some point that was true, and/or the borders were never really defined (and for that matter, I don't think the Ethiopian/Somalian national border is officially demarcated).

I wonder if a map exists from the British protectorate (as described in [[Ogaden]]). I'll see if I can find one and see how it compares with the present-day Somali Region.

I found some maps of the different [[Regions of Ethiopia]] at [http://www.uneue.org/Maps/Maps.htm this site] and the map for the Somali region ([http://www.uneue.org/Maps/photos/Somalipage.htm see here]) doesn't mention anything about Ogaden, though this would make sense if both names refer to the same area. (BTW on a different subject, I've added links to these maps from the various Region articles.)

This brings up an interesting, and possibly contentious, issue: Should [[Ogaden]] and [[Somali Region, Ethiopia]] be merged to one article? Back to the day job, -- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog ]] [[User_talk:Gyrofrog|(talk)]] 16:40, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Hmmm... [http://www.angelfire.com/bc/snrs/history.html This] seems to be a good overview of the origins of place names, or at least one of the few that attempts to explain them. "Somali State includes the Hawd and Researve Area, Isa/Gurgure Zone, Jigjiga Zone, Bali, Sidamo and Ogaden District" and "In 1987, the Derg offered Ethiopian Somalis two autonomous regions: Dire Dawa (Include Dire dawa, Jigjiga, Harshin and Hawd & Researved Area) and Ogaden (Godey and Qabridahar Zones)". So [[Ogaden]] seems to be part of, and not identical to, [[Somali Region, Ethiopia]], as you mentioned. It also appears that Somali Region is referred to as "Region 5", which is a term that I kept running across when writing the [[ONLF]] stub. The ___location articles are certainly short enough for a merging, with Somali discussing the sub-regions including Ogaden, but I don't think that it's imperative. In any case, some clarification is needed for the relevant pages. Also, I previously made [[Abyssinian Somaliland]] a redirect to [[Ogaden]], but perhaps it should point to Somali Region. Thoughts?

::I've also seen mention of "Zone 5." There was one Google result in which someone defined Zone 5 as "Somali Region (Previously known as Ogaden Region)" so that's why I had that idea. But there are also various references to "non-Ogaden Somalis," which seems to refer (depending on context) to either non-Ethiopian Somalis who are in Ethiopia (i.e. fighting in the Ogaden War or a subsequent conflict), or to Ethiopian Somalis who do not identify themselves as Ogaden. I think you're right, leave the articles separate, but make some mention of Ogaden lying within Somali Region. Not having seen the term before, I can only assume Abyssinian Somaliland is synonymous with Ogaden. -- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog ]] [[User_talk:Gyrofrog|(talk)]] 05:39, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:::Now I'm going back the other direction. There is obviously some real confusion among sources stating "Ogaden is Somali Region", "Ogaden is part of Somali Region", etc. Also, I found [http://www.vdiest.nl/ethiopia.htm this] which explains how the Region numbers match up to the current states, though I don't actually know when and how the adminstrative regions were changed. It really is amazing that something as blatant as the definition of an administrative region can be this difficult to suss out. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 15:32, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:P.S. Nice job untangling some of the confusion with [[Atbarah River]] - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 18:42, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::Thank you! Actually, I found that particular map while trying to make some sense out of [[Amba Alagi]] (i.e. where it is, exactly - I'm still not sure). -- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog ]] [[User_talk:Gyrofrog|(talk)]] 05:39, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Thank You! ==

Hi BanyanTree,

I would like to thank you for your vote of support and confidence for my adminship, it has been much appreciated. If you need anything in future that requires my attention, please do not hesitate to contact me. :)

- ''Cheers'', [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 18:27, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Ogaden ==

You've rather jumped to conclusions. There seems to have been an edit conflict, which might partly account for it. I found the article in a poor state &mdash; the English was fractured in places, and it wasn't in accordance with Wikipedia style. I tidied it, neither adding nor deleting any information. You, on the other hand, have reverted all my careful edits, apparently simply to change the category. I realise that, if you've been having problems with an anon vandal, your temper might be getting a bit short, but I'm nothing to do with that, I assure you. [[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</font>)]] 19:14, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:And now I have to apologise for jumping to my own over-hasty conclusions; it appears that the edit conflict led to much more substantial changes than I'd thought. I'm reverting them as I send this. Sorry again (though I still assure you that I have nothing to do with your anon). [[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</font>)]] 19:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks, Mel. I've always respected your contributions, which is why you have my vote at RFA, so I was very confused when I saw that edit. Cheers, [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 19:27, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:::Thanks for your vote (I haven't been looking at the page, partly because it felt a bit obsessive, partly because I was afraid of what I'd see...). [[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</font>)]] 20:44, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::::BanyanTree, when you had asked me to take a look at the Ogaden-related articles, I wasn't aware of all the anonymous edits coming from 192.30.202.xxx. Wow! I guess the changes I proposed above would have really stirred up a hornet's nest. Mel, if you're still watching, I did change the first paragraph to one from the last edit by SimonP. I thought it was more properly NPOV than the existing paragraph, which was from one of the anon edits. -- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog ]] [[User_talk:Gyrofrog|(talk)]] 23:36, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:::::By the way, 192.30.202.xxx (Toronto Public Library address) also vandalized [[Meles Zenawi]] today &mdash; not the first occurrence from that source (but the first time in a couple of months). Reported this at [[WP:MVP]].-- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog ]] [[User_talk:Gyrofrog|(talk)]] 05:19, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::Hi Gyrofrog, I don't know about you but I'm not used to having edit wars in the areas in which I normally contribute. I don't know if I can handle all the excitement. ;) I've added [[Meles Zenawi]] to my watchlist to help out if the anon returns there. Also, I'll try to add the region numbers to the relevant articles sometime soon, though I have been very busy recently. - [[User:BanyanTree|<nowiki></nowiki>]][[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 14:56, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::I'm already watching [[Meles Zenawi]] myself, and I've seen that anon IP range before. Yesterday I happened to notice it was the same IP range as [[Ogaden]]. If I can find the list of Zone Numbers maybe I'll handle it in the meantime... I think [[Meles Zenawi]] might be the only edit war I've been involved with (other than an outright prank). -- [[User:Gyrofrog|Gyrofrog ]] [[User_talk:Gyrofrog|(talk)]] 17:02, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==re:[[Radio Islam]]==

Thanks for you kind words. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]^{<font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font>} 22:40, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)